Clinton off the hook

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1. Kevin 1

   6 July 2016 at 12:48 pm

   If anyone was in any doubt about how the rule of law is applied to those with wealth and power and those who do not, then here is your confirmation.
   • The Real Matthew 1.1

     6 July 2016 at 12:56 pm

     Not necessarily wealth and power but how famous you are and what political party you belong to.

     If anyone wants to do a case study on political corruption this would be case #1
     • joe90 1.1.1

       6 July 2016 at 1:21 pm

       Yet the Bush whitehouse’s missing deleted emails go unremarked.
       /

       http://www.salon.com/2015/03/12/the_george_w_bush_email_scandal_the_media_has_conveniently_forgotten_partner/
     • dukeofurl 1.1.2

       6 July 2016 at 2:06 pm

       An absurd baseless comment.

       Plenty of US politicians are convicted of crimes including political corruption. This is no different.

       When it comes to Clintons, facts get in the way of made up rubbish , too good to check

       “Nine Times Reporters Botched The Facts On Hillary Clinton’s Emails”
       mediamatters.org/research/2016/07/05/nine-times-reporters-botched-facts-hillary-clintons-emails/211339
       • Kevin 1.1.2.1

         6 July 2016 at 3:28 pm

         Did you even bother to read the linked article?
         • dukeofurl 1.1.2.1.1

           6 July 2016 at 3:55 pm

           I was replying to ‘realmatthew’, the other thing is a pointless divert.
   • Infused 1.2

     7 July 2016 at 1:41 am

     Yep.
2. whispering kate 2

   6 July 2016 at 1:00 pm

   Anybody else in the US would be tried for treason and never see the light of day again. Why are we surprised, I am not. The FBI have been leaned on, obviously.
   • joe90 2.1

     6 July 2016 at 1:16 pm

     Anybody else in the US would be tried for treason

     Yet Petraeus got the wet bus ticket for sharing not only classified but top secret information with his squeeze.
     /

     http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/282639-fbi-says-petraeus-shared-top-secret-information-with-reporters
     • dukeofurl 2.1.1

       6 July 2016 at 1:44 pm

       False. He was convicted of keeping classified information at home , after he should have returned it all.
       His ‘squeeze’ was a army reserve Lt Colonel, intelligence specialist, so she had a top secret classification herself.
       • joe90 2.1.1.1

         6 July 2016 at 2:14 pm

         Petraeus arranged to plead guilty to a lesser charge – unauthorized removal and retention of classified material following his admitting to providing his highly classified journals to a mistress, Paula Broadwell.

         http://swampland.time.com/2012/11/15/spyfall/

         (edited)
         • dukeofurl 2.1.1.1.1

           6 July 2016 at 2:46 pm

           It would be helpful if you read your link first- as it doesnt have him admitting providing his journals to Broadwell.
           As she too has a top secret clearance- what was your point again.
           • joe90 2.1.1.1.1.1

             6 July 2016 at 3:02 pm

             Correct link below.

             Anyhoo, I doubt Petraeus, director of the C.I.A. or not, got to decide who had the necessary security clearances when he was handing over information to his biographer.

             http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/04/us/petraeus-plea-deal-over-giving-classified-data-to-lover.html
             • dukeofurl …

               6 July 2016 at 3:58 pm

               When she was a Lt Colonel in US Army reserve- specialising in intelligence- sort of derails the idea she didnt have a top secret clearance.
               You really should find a better example.
               • Colonial Viper …

                 6 July 2016 at 4:50 pm

                 As I mentioned below, your security clearance doesn’t give you access to documents and projects that you are not officially authorised for.
       • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.2

         6 July 2016 at 4:06 pm

         His ‘squeeze’ was a army reserve Lt Colonel, intelligence specialist, so she had a top secret classification herself.

         Not quite that simple.

         You may have the security clearance needed to be given official authority to access secret documents, but it is still a crime to access documents (or provide access) if you have no official authority to do so.

         TL/DR just because you have a security clearance doesn’t mean that you are automatically cleared for all projects and all documents.

         Basically, Patreaus had become a management problem for the White House, and they got him to pull his head in by charging him.

         And, they would have used the surveillance systems detailed by Snowden to retrospectively fish through his emails to find something that they could charge him with.
     • whispering kate 2.1.2

       6 July 2016 at 5:04 pm

       You are correct Joe90 about Petraeus getting the wet bus ticket treatment, what I meant by “anybody else” is the ordinary people who have a conscience and whistle blow and commit other deeds which piss off the establishment, no difference really just one law for some and another law for others. Clinton being slack with her correspondence was enabling the disclosure of information to the “enemy”, just like a whistle blower discloses corruption about people in high places. Both serious but at opposite ends of the spectrum.
   • Phil 2.2

     6 July 2016 at 1:21 pm

     Comey’s speech in the press conference very clearly laid out the case and pinned significant blame on lackadaisical culture within the State Department.

     If you want to treat this like a Rorschach inkblot and see what you want to see, that’s on you – not Clinton.
   • The Lone Haranguer 2.3

     6 July 2016 at 1:59 pm

     And the FBI will lean back at the right and appropriate time. Well the right and appropriate time for them at least

     Do you really think that not derailing the future POTUS will come at no cost to Mrs President Clinton?

     For the next 4 years at least, the FBI can operate as they see best with budget increases as a matter of right, and immunity from any possible prosecution when they “push the boundaries”

     Its sad to say, but this is possibly the FBIs finest moment
     • dukeofurl 2.3.1

       6 July 2016 at 2:29 pm

       Absurd. Clinton would appoint her own people to top FBI roles, so those currently there wont have any favours to call in.
       This is not like the Hoover era when he was untouchable. -45 years ago !
       • Crashcart 2.3.1.1

         6 July 2016 at 3:41 pm

         Or… did a bunch of senior FBI personnel just secure their futures under the new President Clinton?
3. Greg 3

   6 July 2016 at 1:20 pm

   Its now a U.S precedented justifiable defense of any crime committed,
   jee wizz officer, i didnt mean to do it, you have to let me go now,

   the elite and rich in the U.S, dont do jail time for drugs,
   they do rehab,

   and who owns the rehab clinics??
   • Lanthanide 3.1

     6 July 2016 at 1:35 pm

     For the vast majority of crimes, intent has always been required.

     There was a case where a porn director was charged with making and distributing child porn because an actress was underage. Turns out she purposefully lied about her age. Porn director was cleared of charges, because they had no intent of making child porn.

     Now, I think it can sometimes be murky in many cases to judge intent, and I’m sure there are people who didn’t have intent to commit a crime but were charged and convicted anyway. But that doesn’t mean that the principal is wrong.
     • Greg 3.1.1

       6 July 2016 at 2:58 pm

       i was just making a quip about British law, which is based on precedent of previous similar cases,
       American law isnt 🙂

       i didnt mean to drive drunk wont get you off it, would it,
4. dukeofurl 4

   6 July 2016 at 1:51 pm

   FBI directors quote

   “Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information.’

   Bore markings !! Doesnt even say contained the words TOP SECRET, just ‘markings’ which could be anything.
   This correlates that most of the secrets came form public sources, Al jazerra , NY Times, etc

   http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b.-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system
   • One Two 4.1

     6 July 2016 at 3:45 pm

     Quite the vociferous defender of the clan

     This matter is small beer when considered against the decades of Clinton Crime

     Imagine just how dirty it is behind the curtain if the puppets the public believe are in charge are any measure

     The stench is overwhelming from Bill and Hillary
     • dukeofurl 4.1.1

       6 July 2016 at 4:03 pm

       You should look up this site policy- especially about absurd claims that have no basis.

       Do you have a foundation working on issues important in the world ?
       http://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/by-topic/climate-change

       http://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/by-topic/girls-and-women
   • Crashcart 4.2

     6 July 2016 at 3:45 pm

     Markings is a technical term for the fact a document has a specific classification marked on them. So he is saying a very small percentage were actually clearly marked as classified information. The opposite of what you imply.

     You are correct that it could be that someone stamped “Secret” on an Al Jazerra report. That doesn’t change the requirement for handling it correctly once it is marked.
     • dukeofurl 4.2.1

       6 July 2016 at 4:09 pm

       Just the opposite.

       The markings are just as likely to NOT say top Secret, otherwise they would say so.

       Heres an example, both of information that is widely known and is Top secret and people say was one of Clintons ‘secrets’

       http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/top-pakistani-leaders-secretly-backed-cia-drone-campaign-secret-documents-show/2013/10/23/15e6b0d8-3beb-11e3-b6a9-da62c264f40e_story.html

       “Markings on the documents indicate that many of them were prepared by the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center specifically to be shared with Pakistan’s government..”

       ‘markings’ in this case could be who created the information, could be the people who its sent to in email chain. Who knows, but they definitely dont say ‘marked top secret’
       • Crashacart 4.2.1.1

         7 July 2016 at 9:46 am

         Sorry do you have experience dealing with classifications? I do. When you are talking about documents classification and markings, you are specifically talking about a marking on the document that would say what the classification is. Often this includes what organisation has classified it.

         Nothing in your link disagree with that. The origins of the document do not change the way in which it is to be handled once it is classified. As I have said previously, if an organisation accidentally stamped your mums cake recipe top secret it has to be logged and then if they want to destroy it they have to go through a proper process. They also have to track its location.

         If any normal member of one of these organisation was carless with the handling of a marked classified document (irrespective of it contents) they would lose their security clearance and this more often than not is a death sentence for their career.
         • dukeofurl 4.2.1.1.1

           7 July 2016 at 12:44 pm

           Clinton has said that none of her emails were marked top secret at the time.
           FBI statement corroborated that by using vague term ‘markings’ , if they were “marked top secret” ( or higher) they would have said so
5. Chooky 5

   6 July 2016 at 3:22 pm

   The FBI may have let her off the hook …but will Americans vote for her?…She is considered to be “Extremely Careless” if not “Supremely Reckless”…Is this to be recommended in a President of USA?

   …the comments and tweets would suggest NOT!…some want Comey to resign…and others have been critical of Attorney General Loretta Lynch

   ‘Clinton hid thousands of emails, put classified data on her server, but shouldn’t be charged – FBI’

   https://www.rt.com/usa/349560-fbi-director-clinton-probe/

   …”The FBI also found “several thousand” work-related emails that had been deleted over the years. Three of those were classified at the time. However, the bureau concluded that none of them were intentionally deleted to hide information, Comey said.

   Though he said that Clinton’s lawyers “cleaned” the devices used to host the email servers in a way that precluded further forensic discovery before turning them over to the bureau, the FBI is confident “there was no intentional misconduct,” according to Comey…

   ‘Bill Clinton’s secret meeting with Loretta Lynch sparks suspicions over Hillary email scandal’

   https://www.rt.com/usa/349029-clinton-lynch-airplane-meeting/

   …”Lynch was appointed US attorney for New York’s Eastern District by Bill Clinton in 1999, and was made attorney general under Barack Obama in 2014…
   • te reo putake 5.1

     6 July 2016 at 4:49 pm

     Compared to the alternative, Clinton is a safe pair of hands. She is going to win the Presidency.
     • Colonial Viper 5.1.1

       6 July 2016 at 5:07 pm

       Love it. Using National Party memes. “Safe pair of hands” indeed. As long as you’re not a civilian in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Venezuela etc. that is.

       I’m still predicting an easy win for Trump despite the help that Clinton has got from the FBI going easy on her national security felonies.

       Her mishandling of classified documents have allowed foreign hackers access to documents which concern national security.
       • Chooky 5.1.1.1

         6 July 2016 at 5:36 pm

         hopefully people will vote on the content of those emails…
       • te reo putake 5.1.1.2

         6 July 2016 at 5:48 pm

         That tenner’s still up for grabs if you want to put your money where your mouth is CV 😉

         Shall we make it really interesting? $10 in the Clare Curren re-election fund when Trump loses?
         • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.1.2.1

           6 July 2016 at 5:56 pm

           Nah, if you really want it to be interesting you’ll have to agree to donate to a suitable anti-vax/truther/mens’ rights group in the event that the ridiculous loser wins.
           • te reo putake 5.1.1.2.1.1

             6 July 2016 at 6:15 pm

             I’m happy to take the minor risk of making a donation to any worthy cause CV puts up, OAB. Even in a year where the pollsters have been wrong on just about everything, I don’t see any hope for Trump when he can’t even get traction amongst the Republicans and there is a libertarian candidate creaming 5-10% of his potential vote as well. It’s over.
       • dukeofurl 5.1.1.3

         6 July 2016 at 6:09 pm

         national security, top secret…. you rattle that off like you work for Dick Cheney!

         the truth is different.

         “At the center of that argument, the officials said, is a “top secret” program of the Central Intelligence Agency that is anything but secret. It is the agency’s long effort to track and kill suspected terrorists overseas with armed drones, which has been the subject of international debates, numerous newspaper articles, television programs and entire books.

         The Obama administration’s decision to keep most internal discussions about that program — including all information about C.I.A. drone strikes in Pakistan — classified at the “top secret” level has now become a political liability for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign.
         “emails are included in seven distinct chains that comprise forwarded messages and replies, and in most cases involved discussions of the C.I.A. drone program, government officials said”

         http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/us/politics/agencies-battle-over-what-is-top-secret-in-hillary-clintons-emails.html
       • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.1.4

         6 July 2016 at 7:22 pm

         Oh noes, national security!

         What a good thing none of her emails reveal the truthiness about chemtrails. That would have been embarrassing for the deep state.

         Luckily, truther fuckwits can console themselves that she’s playing a cunning double game.

         Eh CV.
         • One Two 5.1.1.4.1

           6 July 2016 at 8:01 pm

           Labeling others is a fuckwit move

           Fear is a powerful emotion
           • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.1.4.1.1

             7 July 2016 at 9:39 am

             Leaving aside the Stalinist tactic of pretending I can’t handle the truth because I’m afraid, how do you account for the lack of corroborating evidence for truther dogma in all these secret emails that we are now privy to?

             Surely the only explanation must be that the material released by Wikileaks, Clinton’s emails, etc, are smokescreens, and there is a layer of secrecy underneath that where all the real truthiness is kept.

             That must be it, eh.
     • Chooky 5.1.2

       6 July 2016 at 5:34 pm

       “safe pair of hands”!? ( you have to be joking!)

       …it is what the emails say that is most damning of Clinton..ie how she operates immorally outside the ‘democratic’ government……not the fact that she tried to amateurishly hide them …

       https://news.vice.com/article/libyan-oil-gold-and-qaddafi-the-strange-email-sidney-blumenthal-sent-hillary-clinton-in-2011

       http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-kovalik/clinton-emails-on-libya-e_b_9054182.html

       http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/14/exposing-the-libyan-agenda-a-closer-look-at-hillarys-emails/
       • te reo putake 5.1.2.1

         6 July 2016 at 6:04 pm

         It’s already yesterday’s news, chooky. The Republicans have lost the Presidency. The only question left unanswered is how much damage Trump does them in the Senate, House of Reps and whatever State elections are up at the same time. A Democrat President and a majority in both houses would be good news for the majority of Americans and, by extension, the rest of the world.
         • Lanthanide 5.1.2.1.1

           7 July 2016 at 8:02 am

           It’s highly unlikely the democrats will get the house back, unless Clinton wins by a landslide (double digits).
     • Peter Swift 5.1.3

       6 July 2016 at 5:41 pm

       Of course she’ll win over Trump. A poll today giving her an 11% lead. I can’t see how being cleared by the FBI will damage her numbers down the line.

       What also is clear is how CV has been pushed into a marginalised position by his idealogical perseverance to Rasputin, head thunder cat.
       How any supposed left winger can bat for Trump, a racist, misogynist, billionaire 1 percenter is beyond me.
       Good job he’s out of labour politics. Can you imagine the negative headlines – Labour ppc supports trumps wall etc.
       • te reo putake 5.1.3.1

         6 July 2016 at 6:01 pm

         CV’s not a left winger, by his own admission. He seems pretty confused about what he actually believes in, but we know from other admissions it’s not women, workers, the aged or anyone who asks him for practical alternatives.

         The irony of it is that he was almost the archetypal modern Labour candidate, ticking most of the minority representation boxes in one handy package. It’s just that he was no bloody good. Which happens of course. Many are called, few are chosen.

         Having said that, kudos to CV for having given it a go. It takes a lot of guts and hard work to stand in any seat, let alone a blue ribbon Tory electorate. So that can never be taken away from him and it’s to his credit that he tried his best.

         And, as I’ve suggested in earlier posts, this may not be his last crack at a political seat. ACT and other right wing minority parties would welcome someone with his experience and misanthropic ideas with open arms. It’s just a matter of time and timing, I expect.
         • Peter Swift 5.1.3.1.1

           6 July 2016 at 6:10 pm

           If I run and lost a 100m race against Usain Bolt, that wouldn’t make me a brave loser, just a loser with a bit of name recognition for a while at least, so let’s not get too romantic over having a go.

           I don’t know what politics, from a NZ viewpoint, would champion Trump and Farage, like CV has.
           Who or what ever they are, they certainly can’t be left of centre.
           • Colonial Viper 5.1.3.1.1.1

             6 July 2016 at 6:24 pm

             What does it matter to a political astroturfer like you? Come up with your clever lines and repeat them as often as you like.
             • Peter Swift …

               6 July 2016 at 7:23 pm

               Cat calls from CV. Now there’s a surprise. lol
               Doesn’t change a thing though, you’re still an affront to left wing politics if you advocate for Trump.
               • Colonial Viper …

                 7 July 2016 at 8:56 am

                 Hi Peter Swift,

                 The Left/Right divide belongs in the 20th century, like you.
           • marty mars 5.1.3.1.1.2

             6 July 2016 at 6:33 pm

             yes peter but you haven’t run any race have you? so you don’t really have a clue do you?

             cv has said he is not left – ho hum back to the events of the day
             • Peter Swift …

               6 July 2016 at 7:25 pm

               How would you know? I’m guaranteed anonymity as a poster.

               Anyway, events of the day, go for it.
               • marty mars …

                 6 July 2016 at 7:54 pm

                 question marks denote questions

                 and I’m not really interested anyway – you could say the same for cv if you weren’t interested couldn’t you? if you weren’t interested that is…
                 • Peter Swift …

                   6 July 2016 at 8:02 pm

                   But I am interested in CV and his backing of a racist, misogynist one percenter billionaire.

                   You shooting from the cover of “question marks denote questions”, not so much.
                   • marty mars …

                     6 July 2016 at 8:16 pm

                     You’ve had the answer – he isn’t left. Somehow you still seem a little fixated – wonder why – I hope it isn’t because you are a bully peter – that wouldn’t be nice.
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     6 July 2016 at 8:32 pm

                     I hope it isn’t because you are a bully peter – that wouldn’t be nice.

                     Both Peter Swift and TRP have this in common at their core.
                   • marty mars …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:02 pm

                     yeah they may indeed be bullies – I don’t mind their criticism of you cv because not very many, if any, of your views align with mine and I do think you go on a lot about shit you really have just seen on youtube (for example) – but that is par for the course and who really cares and that is no reason for others to bully you imo

                     so I defend your right to post shit here, there and everywhere and I fight against bullies whoever they are
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:08 pm

                     Chris Hedges, Dmitry Orlov, James Michael Greer, James Hansen and Abby Martin are all on YouTube.

                     I encourage everyone here to go check out some of their work there.
                   • marty mars …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:31 pm

                     what JMG youtubes have you seen? Wouldn’t mind watching some of them.
                   • Peter Swift …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:37 pm

                     I’m laughing at being called a bully. Seriously, if that’s the best defence you have, then it’s a sad day for the hard done by put upon. lol
                     You have read some of the insults cv has sent my way for daring to raise issues with his doctrine?

                     Attempts at framing are one thing, but surely it’s got to be backed up with more than just being hurt over being disagreed with or having your opinions and motives come under scrutiny. It’s a little bit wimpy, tell the truth.

                     Anyway, as it’s a deliberate smoke screen and diversionary tactic, let’s regain some focus and prepare for next time.
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:44 pm

                     Hi MM,

                     I’m a fan of Chris Martenson’s Peak Prosperity website and podcasts. And one of the best interviews that he has done in the last year is with JMG:

                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY8Vb3SBa9U
                   • marty mars …

                     6 July 2016 at 10:07 pm

                     thanks cv

                     and thanks to you too Peter – I’ve enjoyed your wordplay and comments – and no I haven’t read all of the lines cv has used against you – you do seem well able to combat that methinks 🙂
             • Sanctary …

               6 July 2016 at 10:24 pm

               I have never lost an election, and I have had several right from a local committee to a union rep. I tell you that based on his online presence, IMHO CV is completely unsuitable for any elected role. Being elected to lead working people is a deeply humbling privilege, yet all I see is a self absorbed ego.
               • Colonial Viper …

                 6 July 2016 at 10:33 pm

                 You’ve never lost an election? Well done you. Having said that, your vote counts the same as any one elses.
                 • Greg …

                   7 July 2016 at 5:38 am

                   thats all we have really, isnt it, and the elite spend a lot of money trying to get it,

                   lifes about moving forward,
                   why do so many National politicians just dig holes for us,
           • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.3.1.1.3

             6 July 2016 at 7:32 pm

             As a Green voter of no more political affiliation that that, I think it is to the NZLP’s everlasting shame that they would select a petty-bourgeois truther to contest any electorate, no matter how unwinnable.
             • Peter Swift …

               6 July 2016 at 7:37 pm

               Like someone didn’t do their homework or were totally misled pre selection.
               Bet they don’t do that again.
               • te reo putake …

                 6 July 2016 at 7:53 pm

                 Or he was a different person back then. As I said earlier, it’s to CV’s credit that he gave it a shot. His current anti-left position is sad and entirely indefensible for someone writing on a labour movement blog, but it’s where he’s at right now. I’ve seen similar conversions from left to right before and from far nastier people than CV. At some point the penny will drop for him and he will embrace a party that better suits his attitudes. That doesn’t make him a bad person IMHO.

                 But at the moment he’s focussed on doing as much damage as possible to the left using the platform afforded to him, which is not so much his problem as an indictment on those in control of the Standard. As I pointed out on the Broken post, TS is not democratic, nor particularly focussed on left wing thought. It should be both and the lack of diversity in the commenters suggests that TS is the weaker for not getting a grip on the problem.
                 • marty mars …

                   6 July 2016 at 7:58 pm

                   and quite a few say if you went the place would be better off because your style puts people off (too many links to put here for the evidence) and is an affront for some too, even hard core lefties – hell even your name is an affront to me voicey 🙂
                 • Colonial Viper …

                   6 July 2016 at 8:04 pm

                   TRP, a pro-establishment loyalist to the last. Sorry mate, but I’m not going to be yet another one of The Standard’s long time commentators that you get rid of. Despite your two or three attempts so far.

                   As for the left, you may have been, a long time ago. But you got grey, comfortable and middle class, and now all you do is support pro-status quo establishment loyalists like yourself.
                   • te reo putake …

                     6 July 2016 at 8:18 pm

                     Nah, sorry mate, but you know nothing about me and you are very, very wrong. Which is not unusual for you, of course.

                     I’m very much of the left, and live my life on socialist principles. My political and economic viewpoint is Marxist, but I work within this system because I recognise we are not in revolutionary times. So, my working days are spent doing my best to see that working people get a fair crack. You’ve never lifted a finger to help anyone other than yourself, apparently, and you make your money scamming the foolish. We’re world’s apart, CV.

                     And I know I can walk into any smoko room in the country and feel at ease, at home and with my equals. You’ll never know that feeling.
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     6 July 2016 at 8:29 pm

                     Don’t get defensive TRP. I don’t mind you sailing in and out of work places while acting like you care.

                     And although you do have a strong sense of arrogance, apparently you don’t have telepathy.
                   • te reo putake []

                     6 July 2016 at 8:55 pm

                     Weak. Get back to me when you make a difference, poseur. Some of us have work to do.
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:02 pm

                     TRP – and the fact that you cannot see that this is exactly a revolutionary time marks you as a blind, complacent, over watered Marxist.

                     But in honesty I cannot expect more from you – you are a loyal backer of the status quo.
                   • te reo putake []

                     6 July 2016 at 9:13 pm

                     LOL. They’re ain’t no revolution going on, pal. Just a tightening of capital’s grip. You should try reading some Marx, you’d be less likely to make mistakes like that.

                     This is a pretty good primer:

                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQgCy_iIcc
                   • Chooky …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:44 pm

                     Go CV!!!…this site would be the lesser without you…you are more intelligent than all your detractors put together

                     i don’t always agree with you but you always have something worthwhile to say and worth thinking about

                     ….and the Labour Party imo is not a real Left party…it is a neolib party ..so criticisms from those wedded to that party are sus imo

                     Mana/internet is a real Left party…and Labour by standing Kelvin Davis shot the Left in the foot and lost the Election to jonkey nact
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:48 pm

                     Chooky – much obliged. It’s high time to move on from the Left vs Right ideas of the early 20th century.
                 • left for dead …

                   6 July 2016 at 9:19 pm

                   I’ll play mother/father. If you don’t like it here, trp.FUCK OFF. 👿

                   as you are aware, people are sick of your self appointed bile.

                   read; the policy and about would you.
                   • te reo putake …

                     6 July 2016 at 9:27 pm

                     Nice try, though a little passive/aggressive 😉
                   • left for dead …

                     6 July 2016 at 11:30 pm

                     get it right, it’s micro aggression son.

                     edit: no reply button for trp.
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     6 July 2016 at 11:50 pm

                     TRP acts as if people cannot see him for who he is. Honestly, he is a Marxist deep inside who truly prefers Corbyn and Sanders in his heart of hearts. LOL!

                     I hope he gets the high place on the Labour list that he wants.
         • Colonial Viper 5.1.3.1.2

           6 July 2016 at 6:22 pm

           Gawd TRP, a jug full of back handed insults and back handed compliments all in one go.

           Anyways, time to go back to watching UK Labour self destruct and all its over privileged white collar MPs try and knife their socialist Leader Jeremy Corbyn in the back.(Yes, TRP cry your croc tears from him, that would be appropriate now).
           • te reo putake 5.1.3.1.2.1

             6 July 2016 at 6:28 pm

             I couldn’t be the voice of reason without being even handed, cobber!
       • Colonial Viper 5.1.3.2

         6 July 2016 at 6:06 pm

         Easy Trump victory over Clinton. Just saying. The US public can see once more that the FBI is a compromised, political organisation.

         Use all the usual left wing bleeding heart liberal lines against Trump, but he’s against free trade deals, he’s against the TPP and he’s against Clinton’s neocon foreign military adventures.
         • Peter Swift 5.1.3.2.1

           6 July 2016 at 6:11 pm

           Sure, puss puss, sure. lol
         • dukeofurl 5.1.3.2.2

           6 July 2016 at 6:14 pm

           Say what ?
           “CLINTON: I voted for a multinational trade agreement, but I opposed CAFTA because I did not believe it was in the best interests of the workers of America. I did hope that the TPP, negotiated by this administration, I was holding out hope that it would be the kind of trade agreement that I was looking for. Once I saw the outcome, I opposed it. I have a very clear view. We have to trade with the rest of the world. We are 5 percent of the world’s population. We have to trade with the other 95 percent. And trade has to be reciprocal. That’s the way the global economy works. But we have failed to provide the basic safety net support that American workers need in order to be able to compete and win in the global economy.”

           ” Take the trade deal. I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it would be the gold standard. It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn’t meet my standards. My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for raising wages for Americans. ”

           Lets just say in Mae Wests words – She drifted.
           • Colonial Viper 5.1.3.2.2.1

             6 July 2016 at 6:25 pm

             Young Republican Killary never drifted anywhere except further and further into the arms of the bankster establishment and military industrial surveillance complex.
             • DS …

               6 July 2016 at 6:54 pm

               Yeah, that would be why she actively campaigned for George McGovern in 1972.

               (If we’re going after Hillary for her Republican family, where does that leave Helen Clark, daughter of National-voting Waikato farmers?).
               • Colonial Viper …

                 6 July 2016 at 8:15 pm

                 Firstly Helen Clark was a centrist PM through and through. Tough on beneficiaries, greenlit prisons, closed down schools.

                 Those people who think that the rot set into the country only from 2009 onwards are kidding themselves.

                 If you were earning $60K pa in 2008 there was already no way you could afford to buy a house in Auckland.

                 As for Killary. Her track record in power speaks for itself.
                 • Infused …

                   7 July 2016 at 1:58 am

                   Great read cv.
6. adam 6

   6 July 2016 at 5:14 pm

   Funny, I think Clinton may have won the battle – but she how many self hits did she get in with it. It was quite sad really.

   Some interesting stuff in this dump from wikileaks but nothing damning. It appears there will be more dumps at a later date.

   https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/?q=iraq%7Cbaghdad%7Cbasra%7Cmosoul&mfrom&mto&title&notitle&date_from&date_to&nofrom&noto&count=50&sort=0
7. Chooky 7

   6 July 2016 at 5:22 pm

   Democracy or Oligarchy?

   Glenn Greenwald on the issue:

   ‘Washington Has Been Obsessed With Punishing Secrecy Violations – until Hillary ‘Clinton

   https://theintercept.com/2016/07/05/washington-has-been-obsessed-with-punishing-secrecy-violations-until-hillary-clinton/
8. Andre 8

   6 July 2016 at 6:06 pm

   Wonder if this explains the enthusiasm some people here have for the crude approximation of an orange howler monkey with an unkempt roadkill hamster on its head?

   http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/vladimir_putin_has_a_plan_for_destroying_the_west_and_it_looks_a_lot_like.html
9. Andre 9

   6 July 2016 at 6:13 pm

   Well, the Republican call for new investigations took several hours longer to come out than I thought it would.

   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-fbi-investigation-hillary-clinton_us_577c6466e4b09b4c43c18c22?section=
   • Colonial Viper 9.1

     6 July 2016 at 6:28 pm

     “Well, the Republican call for new investigations took several hours longer to come out than I thought it would.”

     I suspect they were trying to find out through their own network what was actually behind the decision to give Hillary the equivalent of diversion for a national security crime.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.1

       6 July 2016 at 7:15 pm

       😆
10. Colonial Viper 10

    6 July 2016 at 9:00 pm

    Here are a partial list of felonies that Obama has just helped nullify for the war criminal Hillary Clinton:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-05/clinton-case-obama-administration-nullifies-6-criminal-laws

    18 U.S. Code § 2232 — Destruction or removal of property to prevent seizure

    18 U.S. Code § 1512 — Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

    18 U.S. Code § 1519 — Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

    18 U.S. Code § 2071 — Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally

    18 U.S. Code § 641 — Public money, property or records

    18 U.S. Code § 793 — Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information …
    (f) Whoe
    • Chooky 10.1

      6 July 2016 at 10:54 pm

      +100 CV…good stuff

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