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1. The New Student 1

   3 September 2016 at 11:58 am

   Will you offer these people a room in your house? To be honest, I wouldn’t.
   • Pasupial 1.1

     3 September 2016 at 1:12 pm

     TNS
     In Dunedin we are offering refugees their own homes (actually; in the satellite town of Mosgiel, in the one case of which I have definite knowledge). This seems a much better solution than splitting up families and putting individuals in rooms in other’s houses. There is, of course, a lot of support needed with culture and language barriers – fortunately community support has been there so far.

     However, I am curious by what you meant by; “these people”. The torturers or the tortured?
   • Henry Filth 1.2

     3 September 2016 at 2:07 pm

     Hi New,

     I think that the Wilson’s are probably quite nice people at heart. Basically nice folks like you and me, but suffering a bit from the stress of the job.

     Yeah, I’d rent them a room, but to be honest, with the money they’re making and the tax they’re dodging, they probably wouldn’t be interested.

     Cheers, Henry.
2. Henry Filth 2

   3 September 2016 at 1:58 pm

   Who owns Wilson?

   Are they in your Kiwisaver fund?

   How much profit do they ship offshore and how much tax do they pay?

   Resist the revisionist paper tiger capitalist running-dog hyena imperialist aggressors on all fronts!
   • Reddelusion 2.1

     3 September 2016 at 2:49 pm

     Resist the deluded card carrying Dodo communist running a dog poo global revolutionary manifesto in his underpants Comrades!

     Love the hyperbole Henry 😀
     • reason 2.1.1

       3 September 2016 at 8:58 pm

       I love it how Henrys lip gets all wobbly at the thought of white collar criminals not being able to use tax havens and other scams like the Global Shadow Transactions regime ( GST ) that our sub prime prime minister was building and networking about ….

       I love RedD more for alerting us about the new disease “deranged key syndrome’ …….. where infected people become serial cheats , liars and pony tail pervs with a nasty greed is good attitude ……….. The other option for RedDs ‘ ‘deranged key syndrome’ disclosure is that he is as dumb as they come and a moron who can’t even get a simple childish 3 word kindergarten insult right …. and we all know RedD is not that stupid 😉 ……….

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       39 years ago national were on the wrong side of history and made our country a international villain for supporting Apartheid South Africa ……… The Montreal Olympics were all but ruined when over 30 mainly African countries did a dramatic last minute walkout and boycott because we (New Zealand) were there

       … we absolutely gutted the premier track and field events …”the track meet was badly diminished by the absence of perennial powerhouses like Tanzania and Kenya. ”

       “The boycotters said they refused to participate alongside New Zealand, whose national rugby team had embarked on a controversial tour of apartheid South Africa that summer ………That June, South Africa’s government massacred over 350 anti-apartheid protestors during the infamous Soweto riots. ”

       “That country’s rugby team was touring South Africa, despite the recent Soweto uprising, which led to the deaths of hundreds of black protesters.

       South Africa had been excluded from the Olympics since 1964.” ….

       “The All Blacks’ decision to tour South Africa in 1976 – at the height of the racial apartheid era – happened in defiance of a United Nations’ call to halt all sporting competition with the nation until racial equality was reached.” ……..

       So 39 years ago National with their team mates The Rugby Union made New Zealand and rugby famous for supporting a murdering racist Apartheid country …………

       http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/82567562/New-Zealand-at-centre-of-Olympics-boycott

       http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/the-olympics-used-to-be-so-politicized-that-most-of-africa-boycotted-in-1976/260831/

       http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/17/newsid_3555000/3555450.stm

       Fast foward 39 years and the world clearly sees Tax havens as being morally bad and often facilitating serious crimes by corrupt rich people ….. Poor people pay the price ….

       “”Tax havens are at the core of a global system that allows large corporations and wealthy individuals to avoid paying their fair share,” said Raymond C. Offenheiser, president of Oxfam America, “depriving governments, rich and poor, of the resources they need to provide vital public services and tackle rising inequality.”

       “Many schemes described in the Panama papers involve anonymous shell companies, whose real owners hide behind hired “nominees”. Such vehicles are known as the “getaway cars” for tax dodgers, launderers and crooked officials. “http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11616350

       John Key is the bent key and supporting tax havens is supporting economic Apartheid ………….. investment bankers are quite comfortable with poor kids living in cars or on rubbish dumps ….. or middle class kids getting huge student debts and locked out of home ownership by speculation and money laundering……

       Wilson Security sound like ratbags so will probably do well while the Nacts are in power …………..

       P.s is it true that the All blacks are paying no tax since Key got involved with the team ???? ………….

       Keys good ethical Lawyer mate knows how to protect our boys money ….. If anyone deserves zero tax its Ritchie and our ABs

       I’m sure Henry and RedD can agree on that ….. 🙂
       • Reddelusion 2.1.1.1

         3 September 2016 at 9:36 pm

         Thanks for clearing that up reason………I think 😀
       • Henry Filth 2.1.1.2

         4 September 2016 at 2:00 pm

         I’m not sure I see any reason for zero tax for one section of the population at the expense of others. However. . .

         As far as your tax haven white collar crime thing goes, I still think that it would be a shame if the baby went out with the bathwater.

         Finally, the foray into the political history of New Zealand sport was interesting. A nice piece of writing.
         • reason 2.1.1.2.1

           4 September 2016 at 10:52 pm

           Its a strange old world Henry ……….when the trolls are being nice to me but two site authors have dressed me down rather aggressively in another thread …

           I could say the only thing I got for fathers day was being called a syphilitic misogynist fuckwit and a ridiculous illauminati believing misogynist conspiracy theorist ………. but it would be a fib as my children gave me little gifts from the other end of the emotional spectrum 🙂 ..

           And In this good lift of spirit that my children always give me I’ll just agree to disagree with you about the baby ….

           Cheers for finding our Montreal Olympics history interesting …. A lot of older New Zealanders have forgotten about it and most born after the event have never heard of it ……. I see parallels with New Zealand being on the wrong side of the tracks in the present

           The credit for the writing should go to others as it was mainly copying & pasting on my part…..
   • Murray Simmonds 2.2

     5 September 2016 at 3:29 am

     It’s my understanding that Wilson Parking is owned by the Kwok family, based in Singapore.

     http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6710328/Arrested-tycoons-NZ-parking-empire
3. JanM 3

   3 September 2016 at 4:48 pm

   http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-04/australian-company-wilson-linked-to-hong-kong-corruption-scandal/7291178

   Charming!!
   • reason 3.1

     3 September 2016 at 9:30 pm

     thanks for posting that very informative link JanM ……

     “Wilson’s accountants PWC in Perth sent documents directly to Wilson Offshore Group Holdings (BVI) Limited in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), which were received by Mossack Fonseca, their registered agent located in the same British Virgin Islands.”

     “The Kwok brothers maintained effective control as directors via a covert manoeuvre facilitated by Mossack Fonseca.

     Two weeks after the brothers were charged, both Thomas and Raymond Kwok removed themselves as directors from Wilson Offshore Group Holdings (BVI) Limited but replaced themselves with two mysterious new directors that were companies, Winsome Sky and Harmony Core.

     The leaked files show the directors of those mystery companies were in fact the Kwok brothers themselves.” …..

     ………… Its also interesting to note from the story …””Wilson’s accountants PWC ”

     PWC ………. would that be ‘the firm’ John Shewan the $2.2 billion bank robbery guy worked for when selling or designing ‘tax vehicles ‘ ………. http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2944357/IRD-wins-against-Westpac

     http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10585008
4. Dale 4

   3 September 2016 at 9:00 pm

   Here in Perth we are waiting for our new children’s hospital to open,but it’s behind schedule. So the tax payer built parking building run by Wilson is charging the WA State Government 500,000 per month until the children’s hospital opens. These scum need taking down BIG TIME.
   • Steve Wrathall 4.1

     4 September 2016 at 9:34 am

     And how behind schedule will your govt infrastructure be, if it has to pay for the same sort of migrant flood that Europe is seeing? Because that is what will happen if Australia lets in one of these queue-jumpers from the camps.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1

       4 September 2016 at 10:45 am

       You might want to check your fear and thinly-veiled bigotry and see if they’re compatible with the values you pay lip service to.
     • Steve Wrathall 4.1.2

       4 September 2016 at 2:39 pm

       So you have no argument against the fact that allowing queue-jumpers in will cause the same disaster we see in Europe? Just spitting out labels? A Copy machine does a better job at that
       • Macro 4.1.2.1

         4 September 2016 at 3:06 pm

         🙄
       • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.2.2

         4 September 2016 at 3:31 pm

         The disaster(s) happened where the refugees used to live.

         I note that you are confused about the difference between predictions and facts. I further note that Europe has had terrorism for as long as I can remember and wonder if you think this latest incarnation is somehow worse than Action Directe and the Red Army Faction.

         PS: labels? I named your fear and bigotry. Happy to expand on the underlying argument if you can’t grasp it.
5. TheExtremist 5

   3 September 2016 at 10:11 pm

   Shame shame shame on Australia. A fundamentally racist society.
   • reason 5.1

     3 September 2016 at 11:24 pm

     The good thing about Aussie racism is it allows us to feel smug about ours…..

     Theirs is overt racisim ………….. ours is generally economic Apartheid which appears more casual……. we blame ‘the market’ for some of our disgraceful social choices and results like poor child health, pneumonia rates, hospital admissions etc….

     poor brown kids don’t count for much in New Zealand …………

     Some groups in New Zealand fuel racism to try and benefit from the fear and divisiveness that is created ……….

     http://www.nickyhager.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/untitled10-1024×412.jpg

     http://www.nickyhager.info/propaganda-then-and-now-notes-of-a-lecture-at-auckland-museum-on-wednesday-2-may-2007/
6. Steve Wrathall 6

   4 September 2016 at 9:31 am

   Close the camps? And within months Aussie will be experiencing exactly the same disaster Europe is seeing: mass drownings by queue-jumpers and mass profits for people smugglers. At least one country has its head screwed on.

   The detention centres of course have to be unattractive. The fact that there have been no mass drownings since 2013 show it works http://artsonline.monash.edu.au/thebordercrossingobservatory/publications/australian-border-deaths-database/
   • reason 6.1

     4 September 2016 at 10:19 am

     Are queue jumpers those who can run away from the destruction wrought upon their lives and society the quickest ?????????

     The Aussies were bitching and going on about the Vietnamese boat people in the late 70’s and 80’s ………….. they seemed to forget their part in the invasion, destruction, poisoning and impoverishment of Vietnam.

     Now they have forgotten their front of the line rush to join Bush on his ‘crusade ‘ and illegal invasion of Iraq ………… setting of a chain of huge destruction and resulting in the worst refugee crisis I can remember ….. which they blame on the victims.

     Just What sort of flag are Aussies kissing nowadays ….
     • Steve Wrathall 6.1.1

       5 September 2016 at 5:54 pm

       The Indochinese refugees from communism integrated marvellously, and didn’t try to impose the system they were fleeing from.
       • reason 6.1.1.1

         8 September 2016 at 11:11 pm

         Refugees are generally grateful and good immigrants ….. certainly better than rich corrupt immigrants that New Zealand has opened the floodgates too ….. http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/83450345/Court-orders-forfeiture-of-42-85-million-in-alleged-money-laundering-case

         http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63963090/corrupt-chinese-could-be-making-political-donations–labour

         Regarding the Aussies and the Vietnamese refugee boat people …. White Aussies often called them gooks and dog eating slope-heads …. ( and steve calls them Indochinese )

         ‘Springvale a suburb In Melbourne was renamed ‘chingvale ‘ in the 1980’s by the racist white Aussies because of the Vietnamese community there ………

         Vietnam was a poisoned and destroyed country after the Immoral Vietnamese war ….. Drenched in agent orange ……… sowed with landmines and bombs …. and suffering under a punitive u.s.a trade embargo ….

         ” the United States military sprayed nearly 20,000,000 U.S. gallons (75,700,000 L) of chemical herbicides and defoliants in Vietnam, eastern Laos, and parts of Cambodia”

         “The campaign destroyed 5 million acres (20,000 km2) of upland and mangrove forests and millions of acres of crops. Overall, more than 20% of South Vietnam’s forests were sprayed at least once over a nine-year period.[42][49]

         In 1965, members of the U.S. Congress were told “crop destruction is understood to be the more important purpose … but the emphasis is usually given to the jungle defoliation in public mention of the program.”

         “This contributed to widespread famine, leaving hundreds of thousands of people malnourished or starving.” ……

         In another shameful part of New Zealands history …….as well as joining in the killing of millions of Vietnamese in the illegal u.s.a led war …….we also helped produce the agent orange poison ……. that was used to destroy their crops and defoliate their forests ……

         “The government of Vietnam says that 4 million of its citizens were exposed to Agent Orange, and as many as 3 million have suffered illnesses because of it; these figures include the children of people who were exposed.[55] The Red Cross of Vietnam estimates that up to 1 million people are disabled or have health problems due to contaminated Agent Orange”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange#Effects_on_the_Vietnamese_people

         Our government denied that we were producing the agent orange poison here in New Zealand ………….. like steve they were telling lies

         https://www.health.govt.nz/system/files/documents/pages/cancerincidenceandmortalityinnewplymouth.pdf

         http://www.getipm.com/articles/agent-orange-nz.htm

         http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/video/34544/agent-orange-the-lasting-impact-of-vietnam

         parts of NZ are poisoned from our part in the poisoning ofVietnam ….”The contaminated soil and sediment continue to affect the citizens of Vietnam, poisoning their food chain and causing illnesses, serious skin diseases and a variety of cancers in the lungs, larynx, and prostate.”
   • One Anonymous Bloke 6.2

     4 September 2016 at 10:42 am

     Australia has a bigot problem, not a refugee problem.
   • Macro 6.3

     4 September 2016 at 3:32 pm

     🙄
     and how does the “unattractiveness” of these gulags:
     http://hrlc.org.au/un-finds-australias-treatment-of-asylum-seekers-violates-the-convention-against-torture/
     https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/aug/10/the-nauru-files-2000-leaked-reports-reveal-scale-of-abuse-of-children-in-australian-offshore-detention
     https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jul/25/ferrovial-staff-risk-prosecution-for-managing-australian-detention-camps
     sit with all these treaties to which Australia is a signatory?
     Your argument that they have saved drowning is of course bullshit, as is every argument you make, but this one is particularly heinous. There would be no need for any drownings if Australia acted as a responsible world citizen, and processed asylum seekers in their country, as they have agreed to do under the UNHRC.
     But as OAB notes Australia has a huge bigot problem, as you have yourself – amply portrayed within your comments.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 6.3.1

       4 September 2016 at 3:43 pm

       Maybe I’m being too harsh, or at least, singling out Aussies as though they are so much worse than anyone else.

       Goebbels’ infamous remarks, “die Menschen können sich immer auf die Gebote der Führer gebracht werden…” suggests otherwise: “Es funktioniert auf die gleiche Art und Weise, in jedem Land”.
       • Macro 6.3.1.1

         4 September 2016 at 4:35 pm

         hmmm surprisingly so very true….
         Even here… the sheeple love their “leader”
         I guess Steve is just very easily persuaded.
7. brian 7

   4 September 2016 at 3:35 pm

   From personal experience I can say this is a rotten scamming dishonest company. I have a parking ticket and threatening letter from them because I parked within the rules at Westfield St Lukes. I parked for less than 60 minutes in a 90 minute space, I am lucky to have timestamped receipts to prove my times otherwise I would be at the mercy of these cheats and their bullying ways to the tune of $50. For your own safety avoid their business.

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