Collins crushed by booze lobby

Written By: - Date published: 10:14 pm, August 24th, 2012 - 40 comments
Categories: alcohol, drinking liberally, john key, Judith Collins, leadership - Tags:

What a craven cave-in. Lobbied by big booze, Collins has given in. Alco-pops will be left to the industry to regulate. Collins says the Government can step in quickly and regulate if they don’t – yeah right. The alcohol industry already has a strategy to make this ineffective.

What was going through Collins’ mind? Maybe this:

I  think I’ll do a chatty video – “I met the nice people with Mark Unsworth and and they told me that they could bring in their booze from Aussie anyway and I thought free trade is really important and they’re lawyers and so am I. And David Farrar told me he’d done some research for them last year and I thought he’s really nice and gives me so many good ideas. Oh and if John does decide to go back to Hawaii soon I could use their help with getting some more research done.”

In the real world, the Herald editorial is forthright: “The Government’s cave-in on alco-pops is shameful.” David Farrar is defensive about it. Sue Kedgely is also on the offensive, when Stuff gets it up on the website.

It’s not a good look. John Key wants to give the pokie industry free rein, which means more families suffer. Judith Collins wants to give the booze industry free rein, which means more families suffer, and more hospitals are overrun.

As leaders they both get a fail.

40 comments on “Collins crushed by booze lobby”

  1. Colonial Viper 1

    I suspect that the much richer, and more influential, banking lobby are the true enemies.

    • RedLogix 1.1

      Same old game… the more harm and destruction you cause in this insane world, the more wealth and respectability you get.

      These creatures are thralls of a death cult.

      • Colonial Viper 1.1.1

        Operating in an economic system design by death cults for the success of death cults. I think I see a few issues negative issues for society arising from this.

  2. Ianmac from Vietnam 2

    Drinking restrictions would annoy some folk and a populist government could not afford that even if it was for the good of the people. Not that this Government is guided by what the people might think about them. No way. And of course Collins is such a cuddly friendly chap who is keen to help young people – right?

  3. Jim Nald 3

    It is pitifully sad. This nation’s leaders are a feeble crew.

    • Dr Terry 3.1

      National admits to nothing feeble whatsoever; they are happily crushing the young time after time after time, National looks ahead only days or months, the longer term never matters a damn (other than balancing the books, while even that looks likely to fail).

  4. Tim G 4

    I’m struggling to find a clever analogy, so I’ll just say, asking the alcohol industry to regulate itself is like a fucking insane approach to law-making.

    • bbfloyd 4.1

      “Insane approach to law making”……not when you consider the numbers required to ensure the new wiri prison is profitable….for instance…..that smells like that old greybeard “privatise the profit, socialise the loss” has been whispering to collins this time…. Usually it’s stevey blunder, the joice of the few, who get’s the pearls…..

      I’m looking forward to seeing what jobs have been lined up for the “cuddly, friendly chap” once she’s done her requisite number of favors, and can retire from parliament…

    • Draco T Bastard 4.2

      Getting any industry to regulate itself fucken insane as the LIBOR scandal and the pollution in our rivers from the dirty farming show.

  5. AmaKiwi 5

    No, it’s making Tony Soprano the police commissioner.

  6. mike 6

    “UK drug death figures: deaths per annum
    Alcohol[1] – 4,235
    Tobacco[1] – 120,000
    The Herb[1,2] – 1
    LSD[1] – 0
    Peanuts[3] – 7
    Viagra[3] – 7
    Ecstasy[1] – 4

    [1] Hansard figures for 1995.
    [2] Death caused by inhaling vomit [Lord’s Hansard report on medicinal cannabis]
    [3] BBC news ”

    http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugdeath.html

    The peanuts situation is getting out of control.

  7. Jenny 7

    There could not have been a more disgusting and cowardly sell out.

    So much for law and order.

    In Papakura there is a liquor store on every block selling cut price hard liquor mixed with sugar and colour to make it palatable to children cheaper then equivalent soft drinks. And our community is powerless to stop it.

    Thanks heaps Collins, you are a criminal unfit for public office.

    • Dr Terry 7.1

      We all know more than we want about Collins. Let’s uncover the names and positions of our drug-alcohol barons. They must be exposed for what they are.

  8. RJ 8

    One minute Ms Collins is getting tough by crushing cars to control “boy races” who she believes to be noisy, annoying and a nuisance to public order, next minute she is happy to support the continued promotion and sale of “alco pops” that assist an increasing number of young drinkers to become noisy, annoying and a nuisance to public order.

    Boy racers obviously need liquor sponsorship and advertising on the side of their cars to make their activities more palatable to Ms Collins.

    • mike e 8.1

      Collins can get tough on cars 1to 2 crushings WOW!
      Alcohol a $6 billion a year damage bill a crushless con job.
      National are allowing the booze industry to be subsidized by moderate an non drinkers.
      Alcoholism $6 billion free damage bill the rest of us pick up.
      While this same Govt is borrowing $ 13 billion a year.
      Borrowing to pay for pissheads smart move crushless and Nact/uf!
      Dumb .

  9. Tazirev 9

    lunatics in charge of the asylum

  10. Jaybob 10

    “hard liquor mixed with sugar and colour to make it palatable to children…”

    50 years ago, kids used to steal beer (or gin or whiskey). 25 years ago, it wasn’t hard to mix bourbon with L&P by hand!

    The idea that a colourful premixed drink is an invitation to a young people to use alcohol is ludicrous! I am glad the policmakers could see that.

    The peer group, and cultural messages from TV, music, film and fashion are much more of an influence. Our society needs to change, not it’s trappings!

    • Jenny 10.1

      Independent Liquor our biggest purveyor of hard liquor to young people have high powered full time design and promotions teams. The design team are charged with designing their products specifically to appeal to the young. Lots of sugar bright colours attractive packaging.

      Independent Liquor’s factory and international headquaters, lies in the heart of Judith Collins electorate!!!*?

      This $billion dollar South Auckland company which grew from nothing due to government liquor deregulation owes it’s origins and continuing success to corruptible and weak politicians like Collins.

      Viciously anti-union Independent Liquor has added nothing positive to the Papakura community. To my knowledge no local charity or community group has benefited. The only sign of IL’s presence is the many local cut price liquor shops emblazoned with their advertising.

    • Colonial Viper 10.2

      25 years ago, it wasn’t hard to mix bourbon with L&P by hand!

      You miss the sheer scale at which young people are drinking now. Nicking a bit of gin out of your parents drinks cabinet and topping the bottle up with water is not what is happening now.

  11. Dr Terry 11

    It suits Tory policy to create mindless people, whether through alcohol or even sport, just so long as they do not get a “bright and aware” populace which will catch up with what they are actually about.

  12. Balanced View 12

    Myth: Alcohol consumption is rising in New Zealand and has been for decades.
    Reality: Currently we are drinking about the same amount of alcohol as we did in 1978 – and consumption is lower than it has been at other times in the past 40 years.
    Myth: Alcohol consumption in New Zealand has gone up since liquor licensing was liberalised because it’s easier to buy.
    Reality: The number of places to buy alcohol has more than doubled in the past 20 years, but consumption is unchanged.
    Myth: Alcohol-related offences have increased dramatically over the past 10 years.
    Reality: Alcohol related offences have dropped 13% in the past 10 years.
    Myth: Alcopops are the major cause of harm amongst young people.
    Reality: 65% of young people drink beer and wine, not alcopops.
    Myth: The harm to young people has increased significantly since the age of alcohol purchase was set at 18.
    Reality: The number of young people hospitalised by incidents involving alcohol has decreased since the age of purchase was lowered.
    Myth: Lowering the age of purchase has increased the number of young people drinking.
    Reality: The number of young people who are drinking fell by 16% after the purchase age was lowered.

    http://www.hospitalitynz.org.nz/industry/liqour_realities.html

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      These must be reasons why I keep seeing vomit, broken shop windows, pools of urine, and delirious shit faced young girls sitting on the foot path in town on Friday nights.

      You really should listen to what front line police officers and ED doctors have to say, instead of parroting for the alcohol lobby.

      • Balanced View 12.1.1

        I have spoken to three past or present font line officers that are part of my extended friend network. Two police central Auckland, one is in Hamilton. All three firmly believe that this issue is nothing new, and precedes RTD supply. All three also firmly believe that if the youth weren’t drinking, they would be finding other ways of getting up to mischief or behaving antisocially, thus creating issues in other areas. They don’t believe anything needs changing.
        Speaking with them changed my opinion. I have posted in several blogs previously supporting bans on RTD’s.
        Let’s be perfectly honest about it, is the problem any worse from when we were young? Before I was legally allowed to drink in licenced premises, we were drinking hard liquor at large unsupervised parties in residential areas, usually ending in anarchy with 30+ Police arriving in riot gear. The vomit, broken windows, urine, and delirious shit faced young girls were all present then also.

        • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1

          Nah you’re full of shit up to your eyeballs, especially as you seem to be saying that the way young people are drinking today is the same as say 20 years ago. Of course there was binge drinking but not at the severities and young ages of today. Its a matter of degrees and its worse now that youth unemployment is so high.

          You know “Front line officers” who feel that nothing needs to change? ROFL.

          You also ignore the fact that heavy drinking preceedes and predicts physically and criminally harmful behaviour.

          In other words, you are a shill for the alcohol lobby, and an apologist for one of the most harmful industries in NZ, one which takes all the profit and offloads the costs on to society.

          PS I’m all for people having 2-3 drinks. Its having 12-13 drinks which is causing the problem in NZ society. Still, Fonterra has to sell off all the cheap alcohol its processes produce as a byproduct right?

          • Balanced View 12.1.1.1.1

            “You also ignore the fact that heavy drinking preceedes and predicts physically and criminally harmful behaviour.”

            No I haven’t. And you are mixing your arguments up. I thought this discussion was around RTDs

            I genuinely believe that young people of today drink the same or less than we were 20 years ago. And for those 18 and over, they have the added benefit of being in a somewhat controlled environment, instead of being left stumbling alone along dark residential streets.

          • Tigger 12.1.1.1.2

            BV, even if you are right, we have (and had) a drinking problem. Time to deal with it so stop apologizing for the liquor barons.

            • Balanced View 12.1.1.1.2.1

              Trust me – I am NOT apologizing for the liquor barons. Why? Because in my opinion they have nothing to apologize for, much in the same way that I don’t think McDonalds are responsible for obesity, I don’t think Toyota are responsible for motor accidents, or that Purdey are responsible for armed holdups.
              If there is an alcohol problem, then how about we look at ways to help individuals take responsibility for their own actions.

              • felix

                I hope you’re including the individuals who market and promote this shit to our kids in your last sentence.

                If not, you’re full of it and everything you’ve written here can safely be dismissed as the liquor industry shilling it so obviously is.

        • Jenny 12.1.1.2

          I have posted in several blogs previously supporting bans on RTD’s.

          Balanced View

          The good thing about the internet BV is that everything is still there. How about linking us to your alleged previous posts supporting bans on RTD’s.

        • prism 12.1.1.3

          Wow some of my best friends are policemen. See Saw you don’t care enough about young people and just having a balanced control of alcohol to be listened to.

        • Urban Rascal 12.1.1.4

          It isn’t any worse than it was 10 years ago around when I started drinking. Atleast in Auckland, it’s about the same as i’ve ever remembered it, and i’m a fairly regular weekend dweller in the city.

    • mike 12.2

      I particularly liked “Myth no.13”:

      “Myth: Young people drink all the time.
      Reality: Only 12% of people under 24 get drunk every week.”

      So ‘only’ 12% of NZer under 24 dose themselves to intoxication on a powerful sedative EVERY WEEK, and that’s something that’s supposed to be reassuring me. That says a lot about our culture’s backwards attitude to this drug.

      I’m sure it’s reassuring to the alcohol industry in that their core base of lifelong customers for their addictive, dangerous, and generally destructive drug is rock solid. Whether it’s occasional, moderate, binge, or full-blown-life-completely-f*cked alcoholic, this 12% will ensure those long-term profits keep rolling in.

      Reassuring to me regarding the state of alcohol use in my society? No. Try ‘very alarming’.

  13. captain hook 13

    every addiction has as its primary goal to prevent the addict feeling their true thoughts and feelings.
    look around and then chew on that.

  14. UpandComer 14

    I think the problem was that this was tried in oz, and it just led the same demographic to move to self-mixes with higher and more damaging alcohol content.

    Less alcohol inside young people would make my job easier, but there should be some evidence before you regulate something in case of unforeseen consequences.

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  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    1 week ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Another constitutional outrage
    Another day, another constitutional outrage in the UK. This time, the government is saying that if parliament passes a law to stop Brexit before being prorogued, they may just ignore it:A senior cabinet minister has suggested Boris Johnson could defy legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit if it is forced ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ending dairy in Canterbury
    Environment Canterbury has finally proposed nitrogen limits to stop dairy farmers from poisoning Christchurch's water supply. And naturally, farmers are whining about it:A proposed move by Environment Canterbury (ECan) to protect Christchurch's drinking water by setting tough – some would say, draconian – nitrate reductions in the decades ahead and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Is National the party of climate arson?
    The Zero Carbon Bill is currently before select committee. While its targets are weak, its a generally sensible bill that promises to establish a long-term framework to guide emissions reductions. But National hasn't made up its mind on whether it will support it - and according to Andrea Vance in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Experts warn Harold the Giraffe “well past” typical giraffe life expectancy, may not have long
    Dum-de-doo. Children across New Zealand have known him for generations as the lovable giraffe who tells them to exercise, hydrate and not to shove lit cigarettes up their nostrils. But a world renowned giraffe expert says we shouldn’t be getting attached to Life Education’s Harold the Giraffe, as he is ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • August ’19 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: 22 BLOGGERS WITH ADVICE FOR RESEARCHERS AND EVALUATORS, ILLUSTRATED I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Bye, bye to the collusion lie
    Sums it up, really. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Opinion: Treat your car by buying extra petrol to snack on while you aren’t driving
    By Mike Hosking. Yesterday morning, I waltzed into work, and as I walked past the drones aggressively typing out news on the computers I’ve repeatedly asked to be moved further away from, I caught a glimpse of the words “climate change”, and noticed that suspiciously they weren’t in condescending quotation ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago

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