Competition, cooperation, schools

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1. Kotahi Tane Huna 1

   27 June 2012 at 12:32 pm

   NZ’s position in the OECD PISA tests needs to be kept firmly front and centre in contrast to the Nats’ repetition of the lie that schools are failing.

   Or watch them point to whatever the 2013 PISA scores are and then claim credit for “improved performance”.

   Or am I being too cynical?
   • mike e 1.1

     27 June 2012 at 1:52 pm

     KTH ConmanKey is saying 1 in 5 pupils are failing ,that is a blatant lie using outdated statistics its now closer to 1 in 10 most of that improvement was made under a previous govt.
     What was found during the 1990’s govts own research through Otago university that money ended up being spent on schools and tertiary institutes promoting themselves at the expense of education .
     If one school uni or polytechnic spend some money another would spend more ending up in a viscous cycle of increasing amounts being spent on promotion at the expense of education .
     The outcome we see being repeated on TV every day more promotion.
     Funny that our universities are now slipping out of the top 100 internationally since Nactuf has come to power.
     Dumbing down education again no surprises.
     • Bunji 1.1.1

       27 June 2012 at 2:06 pm

       The figure of 20% illiterate (“leave school unable to read and write”) was never true (at least not for a century or so…), but was based on 1 in 5 leaving school without qualifications. That was an old number rounded up at the height of a boom and the lowest unemployment in the OECD. It did not mean anything like illiterate (except for perhaps the people who came up with the statistic…).

       The same measure now – with ongoing economic hardship, and National’s high unemployment meaning people stay in school – is about 5%. So 1 in 20, not 20% – and the number of illiterate is still less than that…

       4th best education system in the world, on one of the smallest budgets per pupil in the OECD, trying to improve by copying from much more expensive systems with much worse results… National Standards, gotta love ’em…
     • Kotahi Tane Huna 1.1.2

       27 June 2012 at 3:47 pm

       All that’s true, but anyone who has swallowed John Key’s deliberate lies (why isn’t a lying Prime Minister guilty of treason?) will likely also swallow the line that a good PISA score in 2013 means the government has turned the situation around.
     • Vicky32 1.1.3

       28 June 2012 at 5:48 pm

       being spent on schools and tertiary institutes promoting themselves at the expense of education

       Yes, very true!
2. BernyD 2

   27 June 2012 at 6:00 pm

   I can’t see the “League Table” being accurate anyway.
   As curriculums change and the marks get scaled anyway, how can you compare them ?
   Any parent using them as a sole source of information about a school, would never happen.

   Which makes the desire to “Publish” them a reactionary response to the perceived Parents wishes.

   If they do the homework, they’d realise it can only hurt the students and wouldn’t be useful to parents.
   • Descendant Of Smith 2.1

     28 June 2012 at 6:47 am

     Yeah well the league tables should also include clear progress from entry in school to exit tables to indicate improvement by pupils while at school so it can be seen which schools have the cherry picked students and which ones don’t and which schools actually make a diffence to achievement, and another table which shows the $ spent from all funding sources per student so it can be seen which schools are the most cost effective and whether $spend per pupil makes a difference.

     There’s a world of difference between a school like New Plymouth Boys High School who owns the race course, the land the polytechnic is on, the land NPGHS is on and has an extensive old boys network and PTA vs a low socioeconomic school who has none of those things and has actually lost funding under this government and has lots of unemployed parents who can’ pay the school fees.
3. Ed 3

   27 June 2012 at 10:30 pm

   To a certain extent the confused thinking and rush indicate the theme of another recent thread – that of an attempted distraction from the failure of this government to meet any economic targets – or indeed any major target other than that of reducing the top tax rate.
   • BernyD 3.1

     28 June 2012 at 10:53 am

     Well said
4. Fortran 4

   28 June 2012 at 2:05 pm

   My daughter has for a number of years taught, referenced from Winz, people to help to get a driving licence – why ? – because they cannot read well enough to get a driving licence for a job.
   • r0b 4.1

     28 June 2012 at 2:12 pm

     Which represents a failure of society, not a failure of schools.
5. Blue 5

   29 June 2012 at 1:28 pm

   Society doesn’t teach people to read, parents and schools do. Or they did in my day.

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