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Condemning the obvious

Written By: - Date published: 12:46 am, August 27th, 2014 - 142 comments
Categories: accountability, David Farrar, dpf, Ethics - Tags: , , ,

David Farrar and others on “the right” (hi guys) look pretty stupid trying to claim the moral high ground in the middle of the dirty politics shitstorm. From an exchange on twitter last night:

drinnan-farrar

Of course I and other Standard authors (by all means comment if you disagree folks) condemn lyrics that incite violence, and any and all threats to the children of politicians (who are completely out of bounds). Does this even need saying? Of course it’s wrong, it’s offensive, and it’s damaging to the political climate.

But I can’t believe the hypocrisy of Farrar and his little fan club. Why doesn’t he condemn National’s dirty politics? Why doesn’t he condemn the regular threats of violence on his sewer blog? Why didn’t he condemn the plot to harm Nicky Hager?:

plot to harm nicky harger copy

Chop chop for Nicky – why didn’t Farrar report this to the police? Why in this context does he continue to post this kind of violent bullshit on his blog?:

kiwiblog-sewer-hager

Farrar, the political right and the moral high ground? – it is beyond hypocrisy.

This is all just more distraction. Trying to equate the actions of a disenfranchised, angry few (chants, lyrics, an effigy) with the systematic abuse of democracy and decency undertaken by the dirty politics attack machine that Farrar, Slater, and the highest level of the National Party participate in. As Dame Anne Salmond said – we need to purge this dirty politics from our political system, and get back to the issues that matter.

142 comments on “Condemning the obvious”

  1. RedLogix 1

    Well Farrar was plain wrong regarding Cunliffe for a start:

    Dirty Politics smear campaigns, burning effigies, foul-mouthed abuse from a media adviser and now a musical death threat. Is this New Zealand’s nastiest election campaign?

    Labour leader David Cunliffe believes so – and he’s blaming his National rivals.

    Cunliffe was today asked to respond to newly released hip-hop lyrics which appear to threaten to kill National leader John Key, and have sex with his daughter.

    He said: “I’m condemning it right here.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10425677/Cunliffe-grubbiest-election-campaign-yet

    Dirty Politics is about the abuse of power and vile behaviour at the centre of our political system. It’s about the Prime Minister and other powerful Party figures, closely associating themselves with the odious and repugnant Slater, misusing the OIA process and state power to smear, attack and subvert our democratic process.

    While publicly pretending that they were lily-white and above all that sort of thing.

    Which is of course exactly the same thing as a couple of angry fools making an idiot song deserving of zero oxygen.

    Then of course Farrar and Drinnan could have just listened to what their own hero said on the matter:

    Key was today reluctant to comment on the song.

    ‘‘I just don’t think it’s worth dignifying with a response,’’ he said.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10422676/PM-death-threat-in-hip-hop-song

    • Tracey 1.1

      I wont dignify it with a response but I think NZers will make up their own minds etc etc etc

      Has the MSM actually reprinted the exchange relating to wanting hager’s address, the implication of violence toward him, and then Hoots and Slater providing it?

      • Bunji 1.1.1

        And the twitter conversation went on from where Anthony left it –

        Danyl pointed out that Russell Brown had condemned it, at which point Farrar started getting more specific that he wanted “one of the more politics focused ones” – presumably he meatn the Standard or Daily Blog.

        He’s got that now.

        Also, Farrar was called out on his hypocrisy by Lew, who compared Farrar’s wanting people to condemn the group rather than just the lyrics, to Farrar’s condemning the Whaleoil’s “feral” post, but he’s a great mate…

        And the Government’s yet to condemn Whaleoil’s toxicity at all…

        And there was another amusing reply to Farrar’s condemn the people with a history of violent songs and not just the lyrics – saying they agreed and they didn’t know why National had used Eminem as the opening campaign tune…

  2. Jrobin 2

    I think they are on the lookout for a new hero, John Key is now Dead Man Walking.

    • disturbed 2.1

      Hasn’t Key’s manner & his voice changed?

      He sounds different today, maybe he can’t get to sleep wondering what’s coming next eh!

      Don’t you love that element of surprise?

      Bet key hates the boot on the other foot.

      A big size 16 boot right up his arse from KDC I guess,

      A guy who is 6 foot 7 would have about that size boot, hope Key gets to feel it.

  3. Tigger 3

    His hypocrisy extends to continuing to not announce his affiliations when bring. ‘Commentator’. Every time he appears anywhere he must be listed as affiliated with National. If not it’s dishonest. Probably a breach of accuracy, also balance in certain cases. Time for some complaints.

    • Tigger 3.1

      Goodness, speaking of accuracy I need to type more carefully (on phone and autocorrect has gleefully turned my prose into gibberish).

      • greywarbler 3.1.1

        @ Tigger 7.38
        Advanced texting if doing on phone! And didn’t seem gibberish – was bring meant to be being. The point about people declaring affiliations when commenting is excellent.
        Saying I am speaking as Green, Labour, IMP leaning would be helpful in understanding views.

        Just saying left or right or centre would be no good though. Everyone has a different view of where they are on the sliding scale of political allegiance.

  4. tc 4

    The hope is very time farrar appears should remind swinging voters the media is biased and discount whatever message is being delivered.

    He is highly skilled at deflection and putting a reasonable spin on the abhorrent whilst smearing that ‘left’ they blame it on.

    Farrer is every bit as guilty as slater in the dirty politics game he is just smarter, more nuanced and hides behind Curia as his legitimate front for the dog whistling kiwi blog.

  5. One Anonymous Bloke 5

    The difference between Farrar and @Peace is that Farrar doesn’t just dream of murder and date-rape, [r0b: deleted, too far, sorry]

    • Tracey 5.1

      Ouch.

      The book only reports an abhorrent exchange by two people going to a Farrar party, no evidence he was part of creating pliable young nat women .

      The rappers words are appalling. I can only imagine he saw how well the clever song which got banned did, and decided to change some lyrics of an existing song and get himself some publicity.

      • Tracey 5.1.1

        rOb, can you remove mine too cos it makes less sense with OAB’s gone

      • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.2

        Sorry R0b – it probably was a bit much. I see people are giving it to him on his Twitter feed 😀

      • alwyn 5.1.3

        After your comment a bit further down about David Farrar and his request that those on the left should condemn the material in that song, where you say

        “And Farrar either knew this when writing it, or after he wrote it, and added no update.

        That is why his faux shame and pretend thoughts to leave politics were a game.”

        I assume you will now apologise to Farrar for your remarks about “his” party.
        He has denied it completely, and did so four days ago. Why don’t you try apologising to him for not taking note of what he said, and instead choosing to publicise the lies of Hager?
        Should we say about you that you either knew about it when you wrote this, or after you wrote it and added no update?

        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/how_hager_got_it_wrong_on_the_princess_party.html

  6. karol 6

    Anthony: Of course I and other Standard authors (by all means comment if you disagree folks) condemn lyrics that incite violence, and any and all threats to the children of politicians (who are completely out of bounds).

    As felix commented yesterday, when I expressed my dislike of such expressions of violence (on open mike I think), @peace don’t speak for the left, but for themselves.

    I’m with Anthony on condemning lyrics that incite violence. I also think politicians’ children should not be the subject of political/public attacks.

    Farrar’s hypocrisy is worthy of being condemned in the strongest terms. Has he condemned WO for the disgusting post on the young West Coaster after he died?

    • Tracey 6.1

      I agree.

      Mr Key has however subtly used his children, or allowed them to be used for his own ends… planking, photo in golf cart, photos with Obama and so on. I am surprised, given Bronagh’s apparent desire to stay out of the limelight, that she has allowed Key to expose his kids.

      Not agreeing at all with the lyrics. I understand the police might be investigating the threats both to Key and his daughter, so how come the Roast Busters….

    • Ffloyd 6.2

      Didn’t Slater of someone from his cesspit say that Mr Pleasant AND his wife and children should all be shot?

      • Tracey 6.2.1

        I don’t recall it from the book and I don’t visit his site

        • Bunji 6.2.1.1

          It was a commenter who said his wife and children should be shot if they’re not prepared to pay for his bullet.
          Police went to Slater’s house and made him take the comment down.

      • Tautoko Viper 6.2.2

        How about the alacrity in dealing with the bullet holes in Hone’s office?
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/248813/harawira-waiting-to-hear-from-police

        • Chris 6.2.2.1

          Someone needs to put Odgers’ email right in Kathryn Ryan’s face or whoever it is at RNZ who decides Hooton stays. His behaviour, in this precise context, cannot be shrugged off with “everybody knows Hager’s address”. It beggars belief that RNZ is still happy to have him on her show. Same goes for Farrar on The Panel. These people are using RNZ as a shield to help protect their involvement in this filthy nasty stuff. Everything that comes out of Hooton’s mouth at the moment is clearly about personal damage control. Same goes for Farrar. His faux-offence/sadness/disappointment/disenchantment with politics fooled nobody.

          • BLiP 6.2.2.1.1

            Ryan knows. She asked Hooton about it on that silly politics panel she hosts and Hooton, disengenuously oblivious to his part in the targeting of Hager for the “chop chop”, told the National Radio audience where Hager lives. Wattaguy.

            • RedLogix 6.2.2.1.1.1

              Hager himself makes no secret of the fact that he lives in Levin. That’s not the point.

              The problem for Odgers is that she is plainly encouraging some form of physical retaliation on Hager in his home. There is no way her email can be construed as ‘indirect’, ‘metaphoric’ or a just a ‘jerky’ throw-away line. She’s expressed an extended and considered intention to harm Nicky Hager (and by extension his family as well).

              I want to know what action the Police have considered here. If not – why not.

              Incidentally here is Hypocrite Central justifying it all.

              Yesterday there was some excitement over some e-mails from the Hager book which made it look like Cactus Kate had published Nicky Hager’s address so the Chinese triads could kill him, over his work exposing money laundering.

              I know Cactus well and she is an unlikely assassin.

              The reality is that people sometimes say jerky things in private e-mail conversations. I suspect most of us have done it. I’m sure I have. Go through what must be over 100,000 e-mails from me, and I am sure you’ll find some where I have said offensive and jerky things.

              http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/tag/cactus_kate

              Book mark that rationalisation. It’s a doozy.

              • BLiP

                Huh? I was responding to the suggestion that Ryan was not aware of the Odgers/Hooton/Slater’s threats. The fact that Hooton was so unrepentent he went ahead and repeated Hager’s address, surely. illuminates “the point”. Where was Ryan’s condemnation of that?

                • Chris

                  I’m sure she knows about them but she either fails or refuses to see the significance. She’s been swept up in the “this is too big to believe so it can’t be true” syndrome. That’s why there’s no condemnation from her, or from any of her other lightweight mates in MSM.

                • RedLogix

                  Sorry – crossed wires. I didn’t intend to be quibbling with you BLiP – I should have worded that more carefully.

                  Either way both Odgers and Hooten have some hard questions to answer.

            • Chris 6.2.2.1.1.2

              But Ryan seemed to accept Hooton’s response unquestioningly. She’s been taken in with the rest of them. I really don’t think she gets it.

      • Puddleglum 6.2.3

        Yes, they did.

        It’s in the book and it led to the police visiting Slater telling him to take the comment down or accompany them to the police station.

        He took it down.

    • It’s not inciting violence. It’s a diss track. I realise that there aren’t many of those in your collection of Engelbert Humperdinck albums, but they do exist. 😉

      • karol 6.3.1

        Humperdinck? Really? Can’t you do better than that as an age slur? Not at all the sort of music I’ve ever listened to,

        It really doesn’t matter about the age or genre.

        Macho posturing (sometimes using expressions of violence) is part of some genres, I know. But that’s no defense (of the specific expression being discussed or the genre).

    • Chris 6.4

      Slater has for a long time called for people to die. I’ll never forget how he called for the young guy in Christchurch with Asperger’s Syndrome should be shot in the stomach for stealing light fittings from damaged properties. The media just needs to do a quick search on his site. It’s all there, really nasty evil stuff, and Collins, Key, Hooton, Odgers, Farrar, Williams and a stack of others are linked as closely as anyone can be to all of this. Just hope the Inspector-General’s report isn’t a whitewash.

      • karol 6.4.1

        Agreed, Chris.

        When the WO nastiness has been pointed out to some in the past, and the likes of the PM re-Dirty Politcs, they hide behind the faux claim that Left blogs do it too. They, and journalists, only need to compare what’s on the websites to see that WO nastiness is in a disgusting class of its own.

  7. Tracey 7

    “I’m condemning it right here.”

    And Farrar either knew this when writing it, or after he wrote it, and added no update.

    That is why his faux shame and pretend thoughts to leave politics were a game.

    BUT those who are being polled and keeping John Key popular, and those int he media who are treating this as a “meh” moment, partly because they are knee deep in the same mud, give him the confidence to mock the electorate.

    That is what this post is, a mockery of the electorate. Oh and a lie.

  8. Observer (Tokoroa) 8

    The cry baby PM

    We all cringe at roughies using course language and throwing insults and threats at the First Lady and the First Children in the land.

    But John the great “Victim” is walking through his rotten world carrying a sweet Parnell Rose between his lips.

    The family with everything (Money Money Money, Power Power Power, Prestige) flaunting itself in front of hundreds of thousands of good kiwis ground down by low wages, difficult education opportunities, exorbitant debt around student necks, blown up GST, outrageous costs to keep warm, hopeless outlook for decent accommodation let alone property acquisition. Jobs that flutter away out of sight on tomorrow’s fiscal breeze.

    Big monies given to the already wealthy Kiwis.. By Key and English and Dunne.

    Of course the hapless are going to write a song telling the PM he Stinks with the dirtiest Stench ever in the history of New Zealand.

    You are no Victim Key. Cry baby.

    • Tracey 8.1

      they havent written a song saying he stinks, they have written a song saying they want to kill him and have sex with his daughter… appalling

      • grumpystilskin 8.1.1

        Sounds like (now) normal hip-hop lyrics to me.
        If that disturbs you, you really need to listen to some gangster rap.
        On second thoughts, maybe not..

  9. vto 9

    Farrar and his type of people do their best to keep minimum wage at levels that a man cannot support his family on – wage earners subsidising business owners. Slaves cost more.

    Farrar and his type of people do their best to take assets built by taxpayers and sell them to their rich mates – turn the people into renters of capital.

    Farrar and his type of people do their best to bust unions, who work to support the working people. People like Farrar are the enemy of working people.

    Farrar and his type of people put up taxes that hit the poor (GST) while at the same time giving South Canterbury Finance investors shitloads of cash for their shithead investment decisions.

    Farrar and his type of people shout at the top of their lungs at people down on their luck – get a job ya lazy shit – ya spend all ya money on booze and drugs ya losers.

    Farrar and his type of people call people “feral” and dance for joy when they die.

    Farrar and his type of people call earthquake sufferers “scum”

    John Key stands right beside people like Farrar and his type of people – as Key did yesterday in Greymouth, standing two feet from Joe Hall. Every opportunity in the world to say something to the long suffering mother, but did he? Nope. Key stood beside Farrar and Slater. It is Key that is scum – the entire world just witnessed it.

    The floodgates are wide open now and the songs and effigies and chants are pouring through, openly expressing the hatred and disgust that those on the lower side feel for people like Farrar.

    That Farrar and his type of people do not understand this shows the lack of understanding they have of their own attitudes and policies and their effects on those not them. They are fucking ignorant and it is sticking out like dogs balls. Suck on dogs balls you arseholes.

    • Bearded Git 9.1

      Farrar knew exactly what Slater was up to and never blew the whistle or condemned him. He is complicit. To anyone who reads “the book” this is obvious.

  10. Tracey 10

    Any reason to assume it’s the left and the singer isn’t far right and thinks Key is too soft?

  11. Enough is Enough 11

    There is nothing wrong with the song.

    They are not literally saying they will kill the Prime Minister.

    It is a figure of speech. i.e bring down the Prime Minister.

    Fuck no names are referred to.

    No need to get so defensive r0b. Chill mate and focus on the issues.

    • r0b 11.1

      Enough, the song refers to a shotgun and “pop”. I can’t read that as a figure of speech. Call me a grumpy old fogey (see Tom below) – because that’s what I am – but I can’t condone it.

      • Enough is Enough 11.1.1

        Fair comment r0b

        I just think this and the other recent examples of the general public getting animated about their distaste for this government is a direct consequence of prolonged aggressive war on the poor.

        You cannot systematically destroy the lives of so many people and not expect this kind of reaction. However over the top it may seem.

  12. Observer (Tokoroa) 12

    Tracey – I get the feeling you are close to the Key family and deeply upset.

    I think a lot of the population have been ground down too long. They have death by a thousand cuts through decisions made by your political friends.

    Clearly you have a comfortable living too.

    So all is good Tracey.

    • Tracey 12.1

      …Then you need to recalibrate your feelings antennae.

      I am neither close to them nor deeply upset.

      I am, however, appalled by anyone who thinks this is ok.

  13. Observer (Tokoroa) 13

    Tracey – are you in appalled state of mind over the the thrice chant of the All Blacks?

    Kamate Kamate Kamate

    Cheer up.

    • Tracey 13.1

      Grow Up

      • Tom Jackson 13.1.1

        “Come quickly pater, people are being beastly on the internet!”

        • Tracey 13.1.1.1

          ““If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. … We need not wait to see what others do.”” Ghandi

          • Rich 13.1.1.1.1

            That doesn’t work Tracey.

          • tinfoilhat 13.1.1.1.2

            Well quoted…. and you can add me to the list of those who while wanting to change the government are also completely against this type of thing.

            I can’t see why some people seem to think it’s OK to say such things because it’s election time and it’s in a song and they want a change in government. Acceptance of violence and misogyny is never right.

          • Tom Jackson 13.1.1.1.3

            A couple of questions.

            A pop starlet sings a song about having sex with strangers which includes a line like “I like to feel a strange man’s body against mine”. Is this in your view an invitation for men she doesn’t know to grope her and aggressively pursue her for sex in real life?

            or

            Nicki Minaj has a video where she’s having her bum fondled by guys and giving lap dances. Is this in your view an invitation for men to grope her in public or to lecherously request lap dances?

            No?

            Then why should what male rappers say automatically be taken seriously?

            • Tracey 13.1.1.1.3.1

              so a woman who likes to sing about consenting to a strange man pressing his body to hers is the same as a rapper singing about murdering the PM?

              I DO see the point you are making Tom, and the rapper is entitled to his song and I am entitled to react strongly to his use of language and imagery as being a damaging message to encapsulate in his apparent effort to get young people voting (while simultaneously stating that a little song wont change anything).

              I haven’t called for it to be removed from the airways. I have not called for he and his band to be censored. BUT I do stand by my comments to date.

  14. Tom Jackson 14

    It’s a hip hop song. Rapping is in a large part about exaggeration, bragging and plain old bullshitting. Just because you like Ice-T’s “Cop Killer” doesn’t mean you actually want to kill cops. Similarly, Grand Theft Auto isn’t an incitement to violence.

    I thought I was a grumpy old fogey until I read some of these posts.

    • Tracey 14.1

      “large part about exaggeration, bragging and plain old bullshitting.”

      You mean like John Key and the Nats and his legion of bloggers? Oh, that’s okay then. FFS

      • Tom Jackson 14.1.1

        Are they recording artists?

        • Tracey 14.1.1.1

          Do you genuinely believe this is not an opportunist band using the election and dirty politics discussion to get themselves noticed? Cos that’s what I am inclined to believe, that they have seen an opportunity for self promotion and used the Pm and his daughter to do that. It’s about promoting themselves not inciting major change and mobilization of the youth vote.

          Each to their own.

          • Tom Jackson 14.1.1.1.1

            It’s a free country. They can do as they please. I agree they are probably shameless opportunists, but most of the music industry are guilty of that (see McLaren, M, for a test case).

            I didn’t think it was a particularly good song, but I’m not daft enough to interpret it as a threat or an incitement to violence. I’m old enough to have seen all this before back in the 90s when middle class white people were outraged by rap lyrics. Before that it was heavy metal and before that punk rock.

            When determining what people mean context is vital. If someone is standing in front of parliament with a pitchfork and a megaphone shouting “Let’s kill John Key”, that’s an incitement to violence. When a rapper says “Kill X”, it generally means “Fuck X, I hate X”. Only people who are unfamiliar with the genre would interpret it as a threat (and the artists rely on this to fuel notoriety). Similarly, the “poor young guy gets one over on rich old man by having it off with his stuck up daughter” is a tired old trope, but it doesn’t mean “rape her”.

            • Tracey 14.1.1.1.1.1

              Pretty sure I never suggested he was saying he would rape Key’s daughter cos I never took him to be saying that. My roast busters comment was about how the language and culture allows such commenting and attitudes to perculate. Having sex with a woman to pay back her father for example, isnt rape, but it is hardly treating women with respect.

              It is a free world within which we have laws. I agree it is not, imo, an incitement to kill the PM, or to rape his daughter. BUT people seemed able to express themselves in art pretty well without using the language o murder and exploitation of women.

              I guess in the end my point is that some here seem to be outraged by certain behaviours of politicians and their cohorts but then okee dokee about this kind of lyric which feeds into a similar mindset about the low value we place on each other if we are on opposing “teams”..

              • My roast busters comment was about how the language and culture allows such commenting and attitudes to perculate.

                In the real world the effect is minimal. People understand it’s not real.

                I guess in the end my point is that some here seem to be outraged by certain behaviours of politicians and their cohorts but then okee dokee about this kind of lyric which feeds into a similar mindset about the low value we place on each other if we are on opposing “teams”..

                Because there’s an obvious difference between the cases. Rappers are consciously purveying exaggerated BS and expect the audience to understand this in the same way that professional wrestlers know that the audience knows it’s fake. Politicians are consciously purveying exaggerated BS that they want people to actually believe.

            • greywarbler 14.1.1.1.1.2

              Why is anyone wasting words excusing the words of an ugly rap song? It explicitly refers to violence to a political figure in a time of political unrest and a drop in political standards, and it apparently also brings a daughter into the frame of violence. There is no semantics to argue about here.

              We all agree that it is vile, but at the present time, particularly so, as we claw our way out and up from the very muddy ground in which we seem glued. We want better standards in politics and want respect for political debate and the democracy we cherish and we must apply this to all sides. Name-calling, robust debate, angry exchanges, there must be a line in the sand that is drawn to rein in bad behaviour from spiralling into viciousness.

              This rap compounds dirty politics by mouthing extreme, fantastic thoughts, and extends them by invoking the hated sexual violence that is embedded in our society.

              It’s no time to mildly and objectively provide understanding of the background to it all, and compare to others in a relative scale of vileness. So those doing so just shut up excusing the crap and stop providing support for the muck-rakers. The responsible person would say that it is always unacceptable, and particularly in this fetid atmosphere, then give it a big negative and not give it legs by continuing to discuss it.

              • There is no semantics to argue about here.

                Actually there is. You’re just wrong.

                • greywarbler

                  Tom Jackson
                  Why do you not take a back seat now – you have said enough. Old fogeys shouldn’t be stirring up problems for younger ones to solve.

        • tinfoilhat 14.1.1.2

          “Are they recording artists?”

          Are you suggesting violence and misogyny is OK when it’s ‘art’ ?

          • Tom Jackson 14.1.1.2.1

            I’m trying to point out that the relationship between art and life is most often not representational. Art is more often a caricature of life than a representation of it. The relationship between a caricature of violence and misogyny and actual violence and misogyny is quite different than the relationship between representations and the real.

            Case in point: literary fiction and drama exaggerate human promiscuity. I once calculated that if one person on Shortland St had herpes, that everyone except old Marge would end up getting it. The viewers know that it’s an exaggeration for dramatic purposes and so don’t expect real life to be like that.

    • karol 14.2

      Not a great promo for the genre. It presents no defense.

      We’ve been getting this defense of such macho (sometimes expressed in violent terms) posturing in rap for decades – often with a helping of misogyny and/or homophobia.

      And if that’s being an “old fogie” (Anthony’s term), I’m in with that – nothing to be ashamed of there, IMO.

      • Tom Jackson 14.2.1

        And the people who rap these terrible things love their mothers and usually have wives and families.

        Santa isn’t real either.

        • Tracey 14.2.1.1

          Santa isn’t real either?

          The rapper was CGI-ed???? he isn’t a real person?

          • Tom Jackson 14.2.1.1.1

            Do you believe that the views of fictional characters necessarily represent the author’s views?

            • Tracey 14.2.1.1.1.1

              You first, is the Rapper a real person or imaginary like Santa Claus?

              • They are characters or personas. Johnny Rotten was essentially a character played by by John Lydon. Ice Cube is essentially a character played by O’Shea Jackson.

                • Tracey

                  so when he said he wrote it to get young people out to vote, but doesn’t think a song will change anything, was that him, the real person, or the personna you are granting him?

        • karol 14.2.1.2

          So it’s a gender thing – it’s a style of rapping used by guys – and the women in their lives are in the background?

      • tinfoilhat 14.2.2

        Yes indeed Karol more power to us old fogies.

      • Tracey 14.2.3

        Mackelmore has some interesting things to sing about rappers (being one himself and all that)

        “If I was gay, I would think hip-hop hates me
        Have you read the YouTube comments lately?
        “Man, that’s gay” gets dropped on the daily
        We become so numb to what we’re saying
        A culture founded from oppression
        Yet we don’t have acceptance for ’em
        Call each other faggots behind the keys of a message board
        A word rooted in hate, yet our genre still ignores it
        Gay is synonymous with the lesser
        It’s the same hate that’s caused wars from religion
        Gender to skin color, the complexion of your pigment
        The same fight that led people to walk outs and sit ins
        It’s human rights for everybody, there is no difference!
        Live on and be yourself
        When I was at church they taught me something else
        If you preach hate at the service those words aren’t anointed
        That holy water that you soak in has been poisoned
        When everyone else is more comfortable remaining voiceless
        Rather than fighting for humans that have had their rights stolen
        I might not be the same, but that’s not important
        No freedom ’til we’re equal, damn right I support it

        (I don’t know)

        And I can’t change
        Even if I tried
        Even if I wanted to
        My love
        My love
        My love
        She keeps me warm
        She keeps me warm
        She keeps me warm
        She keeps me warm”

  15. crocodill 15

    Theoretically, there is no difference. “Difference” in this case just means what current morals and popular thought allows. Morally (a tenuous standpoint in itself) they are both wrong. It should end there, but the problem, motivated by an admirable-but-flawed search by idealists for absolutes, starts when an illogical extrapolation begins:

    If there is no difference, then both are acceptable, and (suddenly definition of acceptable is changed using common colloquialism) acceptable should be encouraged/allowed/promoted for all scenarios.

    the incorrect extrapolation continues:

    If something is acceptable, then those who accept/reject it are liable/not liable for blame/censure/prosecution/penalties/rewards etc.

    Just because something is, don’t make the incorrect assumption that a resulting either/or action must occur.

    In short, both stupid. Oh well, time for snacks.

  16. Te Reo Putake 16

    For mine, the song is not ‘from the left’. These are Key’s children, Thatchers grandchildren. The sentiments are entirely selfish, from the whiny me me me culture we’ve had foisted on us these last thirty years. There’s plenty on the (unconscious?) right that don’t like Key, too.

    Anyhoo, for some reason this Gun Club song always makes me think of Key, particularly when he tries to look honest.

    The chorus goes:

    There is no fire in your glass eye
    There is no feeling when you’re done
    One day you will find out
    What kinda monster you’ve become.

    Couldn’t find a live original but Aussie Spencer P Jones does a great cover here:

  17. I can totally understand the anger and despair behind some of these sort of songs – what I dislike is the adoption of the worst aspects of American street culture – glorifying random violence, misogynistic to the core – and encouraged and heavily marketed by a bunch of cynical corporates.

    It’s no accident that the original anti-establishment and subversive element of black American street music has been diverted in this way. Black America has been herded into political and economic cul-de-sacs – trapped in there by drugs, unemployment and a racist and oppressive criminal justice system.

    Young Kiwis need to find their own voice and whilst I understand completely where they’re coming from and why, faux gangsta threats to ‘pop’ the PM and suggestions of what they might like to or with his daughter play into the Right’s hands.

    Women generally need to be way ‘better’ than their male peers to get equal treatment, people of colour need to be ‘better’ than white people – and the Left needs to be so far up on the moral high ground it’s impossible to deny or deflect from that. This sort of stuff provides the compliant media with a simple diversion away from the true filth in NZ.

    Well, that’s my grumpy old opinion.

    • Rich 17.1

      Sometimes even that better is not good enough. And sometimes from the favoured ones any performance is good enough.

  18. Observer (Tokoroa) 18

    Crocodill

    Well put!

    Tracey is deeply upset for Mr Key who has promoted disdain for the common man; given wealth and largesse to the wealthy; untrained teachers for struggling ethnic groups; cultivated very close bonds with Collins, Farrar and Slater who talk about Princess Parties, earthquake scum; feral children and much more.

    If only Tracey’s dream of a sweet cup of tea in a pretty cup could come true.

    Key wades in unbelievable muck. That is the reality. No amount of denial is going to make that go away.

    Of course there is going to be a chant or two reflecting discontent.

    • Tracey 18.1

      So strange that you decided to turn your sights on me then and not over at Farrar and WO blogs, dontchathink?

  19. weka 19

    I actually have more of a problem with the misogyny and objectification of a woman as a way of committing violence against her father to be way more objectionable than someone wanting to kill the PM, probably because in NZ PMs don’t get shot, but women get abused and objectified all the time, and @peace just reinforced a whole bunch of fucked behaviours to an audience who already don’t get it (hence Tracey’s comment about Roast Busters).

    That rap routinely practices misogyny doesn’t make it any better than any other art form that practices misogyny. Or any other part of the culture. It’s just lazy to suggest that it’s ok because that’s what rap does.

    It’s a crap song lyric wise, although I really liked the music and rhythm. There’s no nuance in the lyrics – I’m poor and I hate rich blingy people and they’re gonna get theirs… Really?

    I don’t think it’s opportunistic re the election, I just think the guy who wrote it is politically naive and probably thought he was helping get younger people out to vote. I think it’s kind of weird that in his statement he says “Let’s not pretend a silly little song ever changed anything”. If that’s true, then why bother writing a political song? Or was he just mouthing off? Likewise his comparison with “Maggie you’re a c*nt”, he doesn’t appear to differentiate between wanting someone to be dead because they have caused you much suffering, and fantasising about going and killing the person who caused your suffering yourself. Beyond that, yeah, artistic freedom, fine, just would have been better if he’s written a smarter song.

    Overall he comes across as not really knowing what he is about. Bet he’s on a steep learning curve now though.

    as an aside, the lyrics don’t mention Key by name.

    • Tracey 19.1

      ““Let’s not pretend a silly little song ever changed anything”.” That’s what made me think he was being opportunistic. He contradicted himself.

    • adam 19.2

      Look you either have artistic freedom or you don’t. That means taking the bad with the good. Hell if I have to hear another song by Tailor Swift or Sam Smith I might puke. Empty rubbish – but I’m for artistic freedom, even though I think they both utter crap. Because I prefer to live in a society that has freedom of speech. Even when we don’t like stuff.

      I think it rich from someone like Farrar , who would be the first to scream if he thought his freedoms were being attacked – Oh wait he does, on a regular basis. So Farrar , did not see you demanding anyone on the right condemn Bridges when he effectively murdered off Maui dolphin’s. Species of you, or just when the left talk about violence your all up in arms? But, when the right preform murder and violence that’s OK – What a hypocrite, what a pathetic excuses of man you are. You have no morals stop acting like you do – but then again maybe you’ve a touch of the sociopathy about you as well.

      Do I agree with you on the stupidity of misogyny inside hip-hop Weke? – Hell yes. And you and I are not alone. Chuck D, Professor X, and many others are questioning this issue. Even Marshal Mathews

      http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/eminem-hip-hop-we-shouldnt-accept-misogyny-in-2013

      • weka 19.2.1

        “Look you either have artistic freedom or you don’t. That means taking the bad with the good”

        Sure. It also means taking the critique. I’m not suggesting the song be banned. I just think it deserves to be put out there and dissected, mostly because of the timing. What is it exactly that is upsetting people, and how are different people upset differently? That’s worth exploring IMO, and in that sense the song is worthy because it’s provoked such a reaction. He still needs to be held accountable for the misogyny (thanks for link, will have a read).

        Agreed about Farrar, hypocrit extraodinaire, but then it is his job to have no self respect and say whatever is needed for the cause.

        • adam 19.2.1.1

          Weka you always bring a smile to the face.

          Agreed about Farrar, hypocrit extraodinaire, but then it is his job to have no self respect and say whatever is needed for the cause

  20. vto 20

    rappers hate on everyone

    everyone just getting in a tizzy because they can identify right now with one of their numerous targets.

    there aint nobody rappers don’t fire missiles at

    • Tracey 20.1

      here’s some lyrics from a rapper vto

      “If I was gay, I would think hip-hop hates me
      Have you read the YouTube comments lately?
      “Man, that’s gay” gets dropped on the daily
      We become so numb to what we’re saying
      A culture founded from oppression
      Yet we don’t have acceptance for ‘em
      Call each other faggots behind the keys of a message board
      A word rooted in hate, yet our genre still ignores it
      Gay is synonymous with the lesser
      It’s the same hate that’s caused wars from religion
      Gender to skin color, the complexion of your pigment
      The same fight that led people to walk outs and sit ins
      It’s human rights for everybody, there is no difference!
      Live on and be yourself
      When I was at church they taught me something else
      If you preach hate at the service those words aren’t anointed
      That holy water that you soak in has been poisoned
      When everyone else is more comfortable remaining voiceless
      Rather than fighting for humans that have had their rights stolen
      I might not be the same, but that’s not important
      No freedom ’til we’re equal, damn right I support it

      (I don’t know)

      And I can’t change
      Even if I tried
      Even if I wanted to
      My love
      My love
      My love
      She keeps me warm
      She keeps me warm
      She keeps me warm
      She keeps me warm”

      • vto 20.1.1

        point being?

        • Tracey 20.1.1.1

          you wrote

          “rappers hate on everyone”

          • vto 20.1.1.1.1

            Oh. But they do.

            Doesn’t mean they don’t love on people too.

            Rap is a form of expression that has grown out of the dirt people have had their faces kicked into. It is raw, dirty and powerful and cannot be avoided. That rap is perhaps now pulling out into the fast lane for everyone to see should not surprise….
            …. except to the ignorant fools like Farrar and his type of people, who do not understand the dirt they have shoved people’s heads into the last decades.

  21. Phil 21

    Selective history alert!

    Rap is a form of expression that has grown out of the dirt people have had their faces kicked into.

    All art produced today comes from a wide and varied geneology of sources. You’re right that slavery inspired/produced the genre of Blues, and it is a major component of what we call ‘rap’ today.
    However, rap can also trace its origins to vaudeville and beat-poetry. Both of those artforms grew from very different socio-economic situations than the downtrodden-masses of the caricature of rap in pop-culture.

  22. Pukish Rogue 22

    Traceys on fire! From my pov I don’t really believe he’d really try to shot the PM because hes more then likely a gutless, little gob shite with no courage however hes done well in that hes certainly got a lot of promotion out of it

    The two things that do bother is sleeping with his daughter as revenge, he wouldn’t have the guts to pull the trigger himself but I have no doubt he’d try to sleep with the daughter, the other thing is hes talking about being poor and having nothing except for the 30 000 grand (or however much it was)the bands recieved to promote their music

    However the silence from the left blogs condemning the song was deafening, even now you’ve got people saying its ok because

    a. John Key is evil
    b. Hes encouraging people to vote (apparantly)
    c. That’ll show Thatcher!
    d. Cameron Slater is evil

    • weka 22.1

      Got some links for that last bit?

      No-one thinks this is about @peace attempting to kill Key 🙄

    • karol 22.2

      PR – and the silence from the right on all their documented nastiness, despicable ethics, undermining of democracy, and attempts to manipulate public opinion through covert black ops, etc?

      NB: read the difference between holding politicians to account for the way they exercise power (p34 “Dirty Politics”) and attack politics, on the WO tactics, supported by DPF, Ede, Lusk et al (p36):

      the primary purpose of the attack politics is to embroil the opposition in petty crises and scandals so they cannot get on with promoting their own messages, policies and plans.

      My bold.

      And here we see, as explained in the post above, DPF, WO and their cheer teams trying again to use the very same tactics: focus on the relatively petty song lyrics, to distract from holding members of the government to account for their use of dirty politics for political manipulation and the undermining of democracy.

    • blue leopard 22.3

      No Pukish,

      It is simply that we understand (and especially after Key’s comments on the matter) that when someone refers to ‘John Key’ they are referring to ‘his office’ or the government that he leads.

      Was not impressed by references to Key’s daughter, however there has been an apology, and besides according to you lot, apparently everything’s fair in love and war….and politics.

      Your team warped the rules – I suggest you quit the whining when the same is played against you.

      • weka 22.3.1

        can you please link to the apology bl?

        • blue leopard 22.3.1.1

          Retraction may have been a better word to use. I read it elsewhere (can’t remember where!) yet they responded very quickly and here it is on their facebook page:

          Now that I have your attention, may I remind you that

          130,000 ELIGIBLE PEOPLE UNDER 25 HAVE NOT YET ENROLLED.

          The current PM does not care about these people. He does not care about the growing gap between the rich and the poor in our country. He does not care about the native people of our country. He does not care about the planet we depend upon to survive, the living organism that we as humans are a functioning part of. He does not care about the right we should all have to an education. He only cares about him and his friends.

          I do not want to literally kill this man. I do not wish to have sexual relations with anybody related to him. Let’s not pretend a silly little song ever changed anything. Last I seen famine was still going pretty strong since ‘Heal The World’ came out. It’s just a song. No different from Thatcher era punk. Anyone ever heard “Maggie you’re a cunt”..?

          What’s important is that we ENROL TO VOTE so that we have a chance to select someone to represent us who understands the concept of empathy.

          I’m fed up with this dude. But if you want to vote for him, that’s your choice. Personally, I’m voting Greens but you can vote for whoever you like. You can choose between a whole bunch of different people who represent a whole bunch of different ideologies. That’s the beauty of the political system in NZ.

          Please respect my right to express my disappointment for the leader of our country.

          ENROL

          http://www.elections.org.nz/voters/enrol-check-or-update-now

          [my bold]

          Now, imagine if our current government responded so quickly and appropriately to the many, many questions their activities have raised…..

          • weka 22.3.1.1.1

            ah ok. I don’t see that as even a retraction. To me it looks like he thinks it’s fine to sing that misogynistic shit, but it he wasn’t talking about himself literally as the person that would fuck the PM’s daughter before killing him.

            • blue leopard 22.3.1.1.1.1

              ‘Retraction: Withdraw (a statement or accusation) as untrue or unjustified’

              http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/retract

              The band rapped ‘kill John Key’ and then said they don’t mean it literally
              The band rapped words to the effect that they wanted to have sex with JK’s daughter then said they didn’t want to have sex with anyone related to him.

              This is a retracting their statements ‘as untrue’.

              The bit about ‘misogynistic shit’ is another issue that was not part of the point being raised by PR (and I agree, that hasn’t been retracted.)

              I note again, this band has shown a whole lot more responsiveness than we have got from our current PM over the myriads of questions his government’s [bizzarre and damaging] activities have raised.

              • Tracey

                have they withdrawn the lyrics?

                • blue leopard

                  what?

                  • Tracey

                    withdraw a statement as untrue or unjustified… have they changed (withdrawn) the lyrics. You are suggesting, I think, that they are explaining the lyrics, isn’t that different to withdrawing them?

                    • blue leopard

                      Oh, I see what you mean.

                      They have withdrawn a possible meaning of the lyrics, made it very clear that the most highly offensive aspect of the lyrics is not what they really intend.

                      More than our PM ever does – just leaves offense and confusion till we get distracted by something else.

                      Conclusion: The rap group are trying to connect with sections of New Zealand that successive governments have created and also have given up on long ago. The rap group made, IMO, a pretty solidly dumb song yet have proven to have behaved a whole lot more responsibly than our current circus-I-mean government.

                    • weka

                      “They have withdrawn a possible meaning of the lyrics, made it very clear that the most highly offensive aspect of the lyrics is not what they really intend.”

                      I don’t follow. Yeah he was using poetic licence and didn’t literally intend to go out and kill the PM. But there is no doubt that his use of the two scenarios (kill the PM and fuck his daughter first) was intentional and nothing he has said since says otherwise. He hasn’t for instance said, sorry, that was a mistake, didn’t mean to say that.

              • weka

                bl, I understand what retraction means, I just disagree that that’s what he has done. He’s simply saying that it’s not him personally that wants to fuck the PM’s daughter, it’s the ‘character’ in the song. He hasn’t retracted anything.

                • blue leopard

                  I disagree -he has not said ‘personally’ he has said ‘literally’.

                  They have retracted the physically dangerous nature of the lyrics – any misunderstanding potentially leading to physical violence has been removed by their response.

                  They have acted responsibly. What a pity our PM doesn’t show similar diligence.

                  • weka

                    Right, but the misogyny doesn’t rely on him wanting to literally fuck the PM’s daughter. It exists in her being objectified in the song’s story, as a thing that has something done to them, and this in a sexual context. I don’t see any understanding of that by @peace, let alone a retraction. He’s just saying to not take it literally. Is metaphorical misogyny ok then?

                    I see what you are saying about him trying to do the right thing, I just don’t see this as a retraction, more a clarification.

                    • blue leopard

                      Ah! I think I see where wires have been crossed. My initial objection was re the implication of Key’s daughter being threatened – not over it being misogynistic therefore what the band retracted removed the objection I had.

                      To be frank, the misogynistic thing didn’t cross my mind. A person in the public sphere’s partner and/or children being used against them to create vulnerability and therefore obedience, is what struck me and that it sounded like rape/danger to someone uninvolved: Stephanie Key.

                      Her safety and innocence (non involvement in the issue) was uppermost in my mind – not her gender.

                      I wouldn’t argue that the choice they picked the daughter over the son wasn’t misogynistic…hmm but then again…. perhaps I might…possibly their homophobia won out over their misogynistic tendencies….they didn’t target the son because they they wouldn’t have wanted to come across as gay (shock, horror!)…..or because they are hetero, so the thought didn’t cross their minds ….or perhaps they are weaklings and didn’t target the son thinking he was bigger than them and they are weeds so thought the daughter would be more easy to target (?!)….or they viewed Key would be more hurt by his daughter being targeted because he might consider her more defenseless…..actually such a choice could have been driven by numerous reasons. The end result certainly doesn’t help reduce rape culture…. Perhaps I should correct my initial statement to I wouldn’t want to be drawn into an argument over misogyny…..

                      I have already agreed, though, what the band said didn’t address any issues around misogyny contained in their lyrics.

                    • weka

                      lolz, ok I’m totally confused now!

                      🙂

                    • blue leopard

                      whoops! sorry ’bout that, lol 🙂

            • RedLogix 22.3.1.1.1.2

              The point is weka – this is a deliberate distraction. For the record rap is definitely not to my taste at all. I don’t think in the sum total this song was at all helpful – but then I’m white, male and too old to even text properly.

              Rap is the voice of a real sub-culture, of real people and it’s intentionally confronting, misogynistic and violent in it’s imagery. It’s their language and we do not own it.

              The political left does not have to rationalise it or get distracted defending it. It arises from the oppression and alienation of a generation shut out by the policies of the right that have impoverished and marginalised whole swaths of people.

              We fought back with words, ideas and playing our role in the political process because we could. We had the skills and capacity to do so; rap was born in a far less privileged world where they picked up the weapons they found lying around. Yes it isn’t pretty, I don’t like it – but I feel zero obligation to apologise for it.

              • weka

                What’s a deliberate distraction? The post about Farrar was so obvious that it’s barely getting comment. Farrar is a paid hack to undermine the left and a huge hypocrite to boot. R0b made a good post and covered the points well. Is there something else to say about that?

                “We fought back with words, ideas and playing our role in the political process because we could. We had the skills and capacity to do so; rap was born in a far less privileged world where they picked up the weapons they found lying around. Yes it isn’t pretty, I don’t like it – but I feel zero obligation to apologise for it.”

                hmm, not really buying that sorry. You seem to be saying that rap is misogynistic because hating on women was one of the only tools to hand. Well that’s probably true in the sense that when you treat people like shit as a class they’ll generally beat on those next to them with less power, so men when they get some power in that situation without being free they will use that power to survive, especially where the dominant system is one of power over. That’s pretty universal. Doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be critiqued though. It’s not about ‘owning language’. It’s about the concepts being expressed. And let’s not pretend that the cultures that rap evolved out of were made up of men alone. Go have a listen to what women from those cultures have to say if you want some voices from inside.

                • RedLogix

                  I’m all for the critique weka. I always enjoy reading what you have to say.

                  • weka

                    🙂

                    I did feel a bit bad that we all ended up talking about the lyrics instead of what a fuckwit Farrar is, which was what the post was about.

                    • adam

                      Let me say again – Thanks for the giggles Weka.

                      I did feel a bit bad that we all ended up talking about the lyrics instead of what a fuckwit Farrar is, which was what the post was about.

                      Nah, misogyny needs to be challenged and ended. And if the crew from @peace change how they write – then, that is a good thing.

                      Actually, I think the worst thing for @peace now is they won’t win the silver scroll award for a dam fine tune they wrote.

                    • weka

                      😀

                      Now I feel doubly bad, because I believed the fucking MSM that this was a recent release 🙁 My apologies to @peace.

      • Puckish Rogue 22.3.2

        It sure is ok but the game is when the right do something that can be percieved as bad the left will try to make sure the public form the opinion that what National did is bad and when the left do something the right try to do the same thing the only thing you don’t want to do is go too far (and the line does shift)

        Thats all there is to it

        • McFlock 22.3.2.1

          27% of kids in poverty mean that it’s not a game.

          What we have is a situation where the “right” consistently and habitually do very bad things.
          Then when someone on the left finally does something bad, you try and claim that everyone is as bad as each other.

          Are these rappers connected with the leadership of any left wing party? Because john key (by his own admission) is in personal contact with that suck fuck slater every few weeks. Jason Eade even more often.

          • RedLogix 22.3.2.1.1

            No you don’t get it McF – these bad rappers made John Key talk to Slater every few weeks.

            And all of us here at The Standard created the poisonous atmosphere in which poor old Cameron Slater just had to do all those things he did.

            I give up – Giovanni Tiso just does it better than I can.

          • Puckish Rogue 22.3.2.1.2

            Thats my point, you say 27% which is a made up number of kids living in relative poverty and now you have to convince the public this is happen and that its Nationals fault

            • McFlock 22.3.2.1.2.1

              Thats my point, you say 27% which is a made up number

              no it’s not

              of kids living in relative poverty

              “relative” doesn’t make it “acceptable”.

              and now you have to convince the public this is happen

              No, they know they’re poor.

              and that its Nationals fault

              No, you fucking s0ciopath, it’s not about “fault”. It’s about fixing the problem. And all we have to do is show that the problem can be fixed – because nats like you have demonstrated that you want it to continue.

              Oh, and by the way – if something is “made up”, then it can’t be “relative”. It must be “non-existent”. By saying poverty in NZ is “relative”, you admit that it is real and measurable, and therefore the numbers are verifiable, real, and in no way “made up”.

              Your lies are interfering with each other again.

        • blue leopard 22.3.2.2

          @ Puckish

          I believe you are suffering some pretty serious confusion. (Probably due to the shock and ensuing panic of your ‘team’ being so very outed perhaps?)

          You appear to be expecting that the actions of a rap band are held up to the same or similar requirements of accountability to that of a government??

  23. TightyRighty 23

    sexual violence is ok when it’s john key’s family right anthony? [No – the post says the exact opposite. Deleted the rest of your crap comment and banned you for ever. Bye now. r0b]

    • blue leopard 23.1

      Did you actually read the post?

      Of course I and other Standard authors (by all means comment if you disagree folks) condemn lyrics that incite violence, and any and all threats to the children of politicians (who are completely out of bounds). Does this even need saying? Of course it’s wrong, it’s offensive, and it’s damaging to the political climate. – Anthony R0bins [above]

      …Or what part of that statement do you not understand?

    • weka 23.2

      Go R0b!

    • NickS 23.3

      Mostly okay day now made much better 😀

      Cheers r0b

    • RedLogix 23.4

      @ TR.

      You brought this one on yourself. I saw the original comment and edited out the most offensive bit quick smart – but even that didn’t help much.

      This would be a really good personal responsibility moment. (On your own time – the ban stands.)

  24. greywarbler 24

    Off people go on the sexual trail when there is an election to be fought and won. You can’t keep your eyes on the main goal because of a piece of (c)rap similar to others done before. Why can’t you limit yourselves, condemn the whole thing heartily, and concentrate on the other myriad of subjects that still need exposing?

  25. felix 25

    Why all the talk about sexual violence? I thought the song said he wanted to fuck her.

    • Beryl Streep 25.1

      felix
      27 August 2014 at 9:24 pm
      Why all the talk about sexual violence? I thought the song said he wanted to fuck her.

      It’s alright folks, he just wants to fuck her and “make his seed” all the way up in her, felix is cool with it so there’s nothing to see here.

      The lyrics are pretty innocuous anyway, how could anyone construe a threat of rape in this happy little political ditty? It’s all just fun and japes according to felix…

      “Going to kill the Prime Minister.
      One of these days
      I’m gonna fuck your daughter
      This poor boy gonna make his seed
      All the way up in your girl
      Hello, Miss Key”

      • adam 25.1.1

        Beryl – It is a wee bit disingenuous to put in the “going to kill the Prime Minister” Line.

        There is a break point after that line; musically, lyrically, and in style.

        I think he has used brag and misogynist language. But not rape. The vocal twist, and change in vocal style are the the important bits – here.

        Indeed if you listen to more hip-hop, it was a brag introduction line commonly used. For example “Girl I want to fuck you bad – Hi my name is …..” Misogynist – yes, fucked up – yes.

        But, I’m sorry, I don’t see any were in those lyrics or delivery, were there is a support of rape. Especially, when there are many examples in Hip-hop and other music which have clear examples of rape. Chris Brown comes to mind. And what his name again… Pharrel and co.

  26. BLiP 26

    National Radio’s new “Blog Watch” feature has a great piece about how news of the song filtered into the media via Cameron Slater, and then pushed along by comments from Matthew Hooton, David Farrar, and Jordan Williams – all telling lies about NZ On Air funding. Classy.

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    1 day ago
  • A “new Society” post-COVID19 will definitely emerge. The question is: on what path?
    Society-wise, aside from the specific morbidity shall we say of the medically-oriented aspects of this COVID-19 crisis, what is unfolding before the world is in more than one way an instructive study of humanity and reactions to a high intensity, high stress environment in real time. Friends, we are at ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 days ago
  • Raise the Bar: Everything you need to know about the wage subsidy
    Right now low waged and insecure workers are feeling the economic brunt of the looming #Covid19 Recession. In response legal advocate Toby Cooper* and hospitality and worker’s rights advocate Chloe Ann-King, are putting together a series of legal blogs about your employment rights: In this legal blog we outline some ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    2 days ago
  • The massacre of prisoners in Modelo jail, Bogota, March 21
    by Equipo Jurídico Pueblos and Gearóid Ó Loingsigh (25/03/2020) An escape plan in question On the night of March 21st and the early morning of the 22nd, the forces of the Colombian state stormed into the Modelo prison in Bogotá, murdering 23 prisoners and injuring 83, in response to the ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 days ago
  • We are not America
    When the government banned semi-automatic weapons in response to a terrorist atrocity, gun-nuts were outraged. Mired in toxic American gun culture, they thought owning weapons whose sole purpose was killing people was some sort of "constitutional right", a necessity for "defending themselves" against the government. Now, the Court of Appeal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • When will we know the lockdown is working?
    Just before midnight on Wednesday March 25, Aotearoa New Zealand entered a countrywide alert level four lockdown. For at least the next four weeks, everyone who isn’t an essential worker is confined to their bubble. We are doing this to stop the explosive growth in people contracting and dying from ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    2 days ago
  • Lock Down: Day 1
    . . Lock Down: Day 1 – A photo essay with observations . Day one of the Level 4 nationwide lock-down (or, DefCon 4 as I sometimes cheekily call it) started at 11.59PM on 25 March. For a moment, most of the nation held it’s collective breath. In that brief ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • A Compelling Recollection.
    Broad, Sunlit Uplands: How those words fired my young imagination! Or, perhaps, it is more accurate to say: how those words fused, in my young mind, with the image printed on every packet of Fielder’s Cornflour. Always fascinated by history, especially modern history, I cannot hear Churchill’s wonderfully evocative words, even ...
    2 days ago
  • The Warehouse – where everyone gets a virus
    . . 24 March 2020 9.46AM Number of covid19 cases in Aotearoa New Zealand: 102 . As of 11.59 on Thursday, most of New Zealand will go into “lock down”. People will be expected not to travel to work; not to socialise; and to stay home. I will not be ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • After the Pandemic
    It will pass. What happens next? Not immediately, but longer term. There are many opinions, fewer certainties. Will it “change everything!” as many confidently, and contradictorily predict? In this post I look at how foresight can help bound some of the uncertainties so you can more objectively consider the future. ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    3 days ago
  • Coronavirus – Cuba shows the way
    We’ve been meaning t write something on Cuba and the coronavirus but have just discovered a very good article on the subject in the US left publication Jacobin.  The article looks at how Cuba, a poor country but one where capitalism has been done away with, is leading the way ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Using privacy law to prevent the death penalty
    In 2018, El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey - two British citizens who had purportedly been stripped of their citizenship by the British government - were captured while fighting for Isis in Syria. The British government then conspired to hand them over to the US, and agreed to provide evidence ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • It’s Time For Disaster Socialism.
    Transformers: The disaster of the Great Depression was transformed into a new and fairer society by the democratic socialism of the First Labour Government. The disaster of the Covid-19 Pandemic offers a similar transformative possibility to the Labour-NZ First-Green Government. Seize the time, Jacinda! You will never have a better ...
    3 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #12, 2020
    Tamper with The System? Well, we already are. But there's a difference between accidentally trickling sand into a precision gearbox versus formulating a plan to alter it on the fly with improvements in mind. One action is more or less innocently unscrupulous, the other amenable to earning an easy ...
    3 days ago
  • Avoidable hospitalisations: Helping our health system get through COVID-19
    Associate Prof George Thomson, Louise Delany, Prof Nick Wilson While it is possible that New Zealand can use intense public health controls to eradicate COVID-19 from the country – we must also plan for other scenarios where thousands of New Zealanders are sick – including many urgently hospitalised.1 Better resilience ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    4 days ago
  • Raise the Bar: 10 questions to ask your employer proposing redundancy
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    4 days ago
  • An equitable way to support business
    The Herald reports that the government is planning to lend billions of dollars to large businesses to keep them operating during the pandemic. As with mortgage relief, this is necessary: we need companies to stay in business, to reduce the economic damage and help things get restarted again when this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Hard News: Together Alone
    We're about to do something unprecedented as a nation. We hope that by taking this extraordinary action before a single life in New Zealand has been lost to the deadly novel virus we will save tens of thousands of lives. Our  lives. We'll do it together, in households, in isolation ...
    4 days ago
  • Why timing is everything: ‘A time to refrain from embracing’ starts today
    “There is a time for everything,    and a season for every activity under the heavens.”So writes the author of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Old Testament that’s counted as a ‘wisdom’ book and written as if by an unnamed king of Jerusalem. But who would have thought there would be a time ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    4 days ago
  • Dealing with the Covid-19 Tsunami.
    I was surprised when the prime minister described the Economic Response to Covid-19 package as the ‘largest peacetime government spend in New Zealand's history’. Reflecting – checking through history – I realised that the term ‘spend’ was crucial and the package had no income tax cuts. Even so, it has ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    4 days ago
  • What about renters?
    The government today announced the latest part of its pandemic relief package: a six-month mortgage holiday for people whose incomes have been affected by the pandemic. Which is great, because these people are going to need help, and that's what the government should be doing. At the same time, it ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Living within our means.
    Years ago the Argentine sociologist Carlos Weisman wrote a book titled “Living within our Means.” It was a critique of Argentine society that focused on the paradoxical question of why, in a land of plenty, there was so much economic instability, inequality, corruption and political turmoil. His conclusion was basically ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Transparency and the pandemic
    Parliament will be leading by example and adjourning tomorrow after a special sitting to consider an epidemic notice and state of emergency. Day-to-day oversight of the government will be delegated to a select committee. But that's not the only overight mechanism. The OIA will still be law, and (so far) ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • ‘Overjoyed’: a leading health expert on New Zealand’s coronavirus shutdown, and the challengin...
    Michael Baker, University of Otago Overjoyed. That’s not a word epidemiologists normally use, but that’s how I felt after hearing Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s announcement about New Zealand’s COVID-19 shutdown of everything except essential services for at least four weeks from midnight on Wednesday. More than anything, I just ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    5 days ago
  • One way to solve the housing crisis
    How much homelessness is caused by house hoarding? We're about to find out. The pandemic has destroyed tourism, which means that house hoarders who put their hoarded properties up as short-term tourist rentals are now offering them on the ordinary rental market:Property investors are pulling properties from Airbnb to offer ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • The pros and cons of planting trees to address global warming
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Bruce Lieberman It seems like such a simple, straightforward, empowering idea: plant trees – a lot of trees – all over the world, and watch the planet’s temperature fall. Who doesn’t love a tree or two, even far more – the right ...
    5 days ago
  • Not a grand coalition, but a government of national salvation
    According to Newshub, Simon Bridges is open to joining a “grand coalition” with Labour as we hunker down to go into a month long lockdown. The idea is sound. Before now, the role of the opposition was to scrutinise and oppose. In the context of what almost amounts to a ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    6 days ago
  • Raise the Bar: hospitality workers & wage subsidy entitlements
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    6 days ago
  • Lifting our game against COVID-19
    We need to be lifting our game against COVID-19. You and I need to help those working to prevent the spread of COVID-19 while they’re trying to lift the testing and treatment efforts. We don’t want to be playing this game running backwards. Best to play it solidly forward, from ...
    SciBlogsBy Grant Jacobs
    6 days ago
  • The maths and ethics of minimising COVID-19 deaths in NZ
    Prof Tony Blakely, Prof Michael Baker, and Prof Nick Wilson The NZ Government must do more to clearly articulate its COVID-19 strategy: eradication or ‘flattening the curve’ mitigation. But to do so means understanding the maths and ethics of both these strategies. In this blog, we adapt our work for ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    6 days ago
  • All aboard the Covid Train
    A few days ago I was starting to write something about the pandemic, which now seems unconscionable. It took the form of a letter to an agony aunt:“Dear Deidre, I have an ugly confession. I am quite excited by Covid-19.”This is how the piece went:“I’m not a psychopath, honest. Although the ...
    PunditBy Phil Vine
    6 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #12
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Climate Feedback Article Review... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Reviews... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters The likelihood of extreme events ...
    6 days ago
  • We are all socialists now
    Last week, the government announced a $12 billion initial package to support people during the pandemic. Today, the Reserve Bank is buying government bonds - effectively printing money - to keep up the money supply during the crisis. Normally such moves would have the right apoplectic. Instead, the National Party ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • A plea to experts: safeguard your role in public life
    I am a pundit, somebody who opines and comments on the news. There are no real qualifications to punditry though having a rudimentary way with words and good general knowledge helps. That is one reason there is a constant oversupply of would-be pundits and why it is quite hard to ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    7 days ago
  • Enlightenment when?
    I recently encountered the following prescription from a Faculty of Education at a leading New Zealand University. At first I wondered if it was another product of the postmodern generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/), designed to create gibberish in the postmodern form, but I’m told it is real: The “schooled” society: Towards the ...
    SciBlogsBy Michael Corballis
    7 days ago
  • What the Crisis Can teach Us
    The coronavirus pandemic has of course had a major impact on individual lives and on societies as a whole. But, long after the crisis has passed (assuming it does), we will begin to realise that its real and lasting significance lies in the lessons it has taught us, if only ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • Hammering home measures to stop COVID-19
    COVID-19 has plunged Aotearoa New Zealand (indeed, the world) into territory that, while maybe not totally unprecedented, certainly hasn’t been seen during the lifetimes of most of us here today. Our borders are closed to non-citizens, we’re being told not to gather in groups of more than 500 outside/100 inside, ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    7 days ago
  • What does ‘level two’ mean – and why does it matter?
    For the last few weeks, I’ve been urging you to prepare yourself, your family, business, and community for Covid-19. Now it’s time for real action.  Yesterday the director-general of health Dr Ashley Bloomfield announced another 13 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand, bringing our total to date to 52. ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    7 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #12
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 15, 2020 through Sat, Mar 21, 2020 Editor's Pick Now Isn’t the Time to Forget About Our Climate Change Efforts   Tasha Tilberg, Lindsey Wixson, and Liu Wen photographed ...
    1 week ago
  • Is the Guardian becoming  a real newspaper again?
    by Jan Rivers The article has been corrected to show that it was Ewen MacAskill, former Guardian journalist and not Luke Harding who travelled to meet Edward Snowden with journalist Glenn Greenwald and filmmaker Laura Poitras.  Some of the Guardian’s well-known journalists who did not sign the protest letter are ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Life asserts itself regardless
    by Cultural Worker Late March 2020 amidst the virus. With gigs crashing and burning all around it was without much hope that I called a long standing rest home booking: “ Hi, I’m supposed to be entertaining at your place this afternoon – is it still on?” “”If you don’t ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Politics, the possible, and the pandemic
    Whenever people demand real change from their politicians, we're told that "politics is the art of the possible". The implication is that change isn't possible, so we'd better just get used to the sucky status quo. But now that there's a pandemic, a lot of things we were previously told ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The Only Way Through This Crisis Is Together.
    Together: In leading New Zealand through the Covid-19 Pandemic, the Prime Minister could do a lot worse than allow herself to be guided by the spirit of collective sacrifice and co-operation that animated the New Zealanders of 80 years ago. Most Kiwis alive today have had no opportunity to prove their ...
    1 week ago
  • GFC vs Covid-19
    It is said that generals fight the last war. In the case of the early stages of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) they had learned from the Great Depression of the 1930s and they fought intelligently and successfully. Later their advice would be ignored in favour of the Austerians who ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago
  • Nobody Left Behind.
    Solidarity Forever: All over the world, the arrival of the Covid-19 virus has exposed the fragility of the walls we erect around ourselves and our loved ones. It has shattered our illusions of autonomy and revealed to us how utterly dependent we all are on other human-beings. Finally, we see ...
    1 week ago
  • Rebuilding a truly “Democratic” counter, or a “moderate Republican” bolt-hol...
    Looking across the various arguments for/against the leading candidates to take the Democratic Nomination, you might honestly be very hard pressed to tell. There are a number of things that have now started happening since Amy Klobuchar and “Mayor Pete” Buttigieg both threw the towel in and immediately (and ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Abortion law reform a win for women
    by Daphna Whitmore Abortion is no longer in the Crimes Act in New Zealand. The law reform passed yesterday and now abortion is a medical matter between a woman and her doctor. Many women’s groups and progressive people have campaigned for reform for decades. The women’s liberation movement and some ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • How to spot bogus science stories and read the news like a scientist
    Doug Specht, University of Westminster and Julio Gimenez, University of Westminster When fake news, misreporting and alternative facts are everywhere, reading the news can be a challenge. Not only is there plenty of misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic, climate change and other scientific topics floating around social media, you also ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • Why New Zealand needs to continue decisive action to contain coronavirus
    Michael Baker, University of Otago and Nick Wilson, University of Otago With some of the toughest border restrictions and a newly-announced NZ$500 million boost to health services, New Zealand is among a small number of countries with a strategy to contain the COVID-19 pandemic. New Zealand is also fortunate in ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the pandemic II
    As expected, the government has introduced a sessional order to allow Parliament to operate during the pandemic. You can read it on the Order Paper here, but the short version is that questions and motions can be filed electronicly, select committees can work remotely, and the the Business Committee can ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • When a virus goes viral: pros and cons to the coronavirus spread on social media
    Axel Bruns, Queensland University of Technology; Daniel Angus, Queensland University of Technology; Timothy Graham, Queensland University of Technology, and Tobias R. Keller, Queensland University of Technology News and views about coronavirus has spread via social media in a way that no health emergency has done before. Platforms like Twitter, Facebook, ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    1 week ago
  • How to survive 14 days of self-isolation
    So you’ve recently returned from overseas, come into contact with someone who tested positive, got a bit of a dry cough yourself or perhaps just want to self isolate for 14 days to avoid other people who might have COVID-19. Here are a few tips and tricks to help get ...
    1 week ago
  • Abortion Legislation Bill passes third reading
    Some fave speeches:     ...
    Boots TheoryBy Stephanie Rodgers
    1 week ago
  • Why Leadership Matters – More Than Anything.
    Our Good Fortune: Precisely because she has never been an ideologue (she calls herself a “pragmatic idealist”) Jacinda Ardern has a political nimbleness and spontaneity which, when infused with her exceptional emotional intelligence, produces spectacular demonstrations of leadership. Jacinda's empathic political personality contrasts sharply with the less-than-sunny ways of her ...
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #11, 2020
    1 week ago
  • 68-51
    The Abortion Legislation Bill has just passed its third reading, 68-51. NZ First MPs bailed because their referendum amendment didn't pass, but there were plenty of MPs to provide a majority without them. The bill is a long way from perfect - most significantly, it subjects pregnant people who need ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • The ‘herd immunity’ route to fighting coronavirus is unethical and potentially dangerous
    As most of the world tries to suppress the coronavirus spread, some countries are going it alone – trying to manage the pandemic through so-called “herd immunity”. Herd immunity means letting a large number of people catch a disease, and hence develop immunity to it, to stop the virus spreading. ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • Eight new COVID-19 cases today. It’s no surprise when you look at some numbers
    So, as I sit at home with a very, very slight headache (i.e. not at work when I would otherwise be so), the now familiar figure of Ashley Bloomfield reports eight new confirmed cases of COVID-19  including two in Waikato. A surprise, given that we had just twelve yesterday? No. ...
    SciBlogsBy Marcus Wilson
    2 weeks ago
  • The WINZ Paradox versus the new COVID-19 Reality: Get real people, seriously…
    Many who advocated for, and voted for, the current Coalition – particularly those who voted Labour and the Green Party – expected to see a sea change in the reality of social services. A real, deep change of attitude, approach of process through which the system negotiates the difficult and ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago
  • The Air New Zealand bailout
    Stuff reports that the government is going to have to throw $2 - 3 billion at Air new Zealand to get it through the pandemic. Good. While international routes are basicly closed, Air New Zealand is a strategic asset which is vital to our tourism industry, not to mentioning airfreight. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Why NZ’s tough coronavirus travel rules are crucial to protecting lives at home and across the Pac...
    New Zealand’s border restrictions will come with significant job and business losses in the tourism sector, both at home and in the Pacific. But the new travel rules are absolutely necessary to protect the health of New Zealanders and people right across Pacific Islands, because New Zealand is a gateway ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • The tiniest of teeth
    Back in early 2018, as a shoddy legal tactic to try and avoid the prisoner voting ban being formally declared inconsistent with the BORA by the Supreme Court, Justice Minister Andrew Little floated the idea of greater legal protection for human rights. When the Supreme Court case didn't go the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • One simple, common factor to success against COVID-19
    Professor Philip Hill and Associate Professor James Ussher Most infectious diseases have an Achilles heel, the secret is to find it. The question is if we don’t have a drug or a vaccine for COVID-19, is there something else we can do to beat it? Some people estimate that, without ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 weeks ago
  • National should isolate Simon Bridges
    The Coalition Governments $12.1 billion economic package to help combat the financial effects of COVID-19 was generally well received across the board, even amongst many business leaders who would normally be critical of a Labour led Government.However there was one glaringly obvious exception, Simon Bridges. The so-called leader of the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • How testing for Covid-19 works
    With confirmed cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand up to 12, many influential people are writing open letters and opinion pieces and doing press conferences asking why we aren’t pulling out all the stops and testing thousands of people a day like they are in South Korea. The thing is, ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    2 weeks ago
  • The COVID-19 package and the limits of capitalism
    by Daphna Whitmore The willingness to put human life before business shows that sometimes capitalism is capable of suspending its relentless drive for profit. For a short time it can behave differently. Flatten the curve is the public health message since COVID-19 suddenly overwhelmed the hospital system in northern Italy. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Black April, May and June?
    Worldwide, the 1918 influenza epidemic – wrongly called ‘Spanish’ flu – lasted about two years. However, it lasted about six weeks in New Zealand (remembered as ‘Black November’, because the dead turned a purplish-black). It is thought about 7000 Pakeha died and 2,500 Maori. The population mortality rate was about ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    2 weeks ago
  • COVID 19 has struck… as has a lot of terrible ineptitude from far too many
    In a world and a time when the worst off and most vulnerable have been asked, time and again, to foot the bill for the complete subjugating to the will of the 1% thanks to the GFC, at a point where the world as a whole is now seeing quite ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    2 weeks ago
  • What’s in the Coronavirus Package?
    With the economy already reeling from a crisis that’s barely begun, the Government today sought to provide reassurance to workers and businesses in the form of a massive phallic pun to insert much-needed cash into the private sector and help fight the looming pandemic. Here are the key components: $5.1 ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • I just had my benefit suspended during a fucking pandemic
    I am a member of the working poor and so still need state welfare to make rent. So I had booked an appointment for yesterday with my caseworker at Work and Income New Zealand (WINZ) to apply for a transition to work grant. However the current health advice in New ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    2 weeks ago
  • A good first step
    Today the government announced a financial package to deal with the effects of the pandemic. So far, it looks good: an initial $500 million for health to deal with immediate priorities, wage subsidies for affected businesses, $585 a week from WINZ for people self-isolating who can't work from home, and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

  • Week That Was: COVID-19 Alert Level 4
    The COVID-19 situation in New Zealand is moving fast - and to avoid what we've seen overseas - the Government's response must be to move fast too. We're committed to keeping New Zealanders safe and well-informed every step of the way. ...
    19 hours ago
  • SPEECH: Green Party Co-leader James Shaw – Ministerial statement on State of National Emergency an...
    Thank you, Mr. Speaker.  The scale of what we face right now is unlike anything we have ever seen before. Overcoming it is our common purpose. ...
    4 days ago
  • Winston Peters urging New Zealanders overseas to stay put
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters is encouraging New Zealanders overseas to stay where they are amid the COVID-19 pandemic. "We are reaching a point where the best option for most New Zealanders offshore is to shelter in place, by preparing to safely stay where they are.” "This includes following the instructions ...
    5 days ago
  • New Zealanders overseas encouraged to shelter in place
    Rt. Hon. Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Foreign Minister Winston Peters is encouraging the tens of thousands of New Zealanders travelling overseas to consider sheltering in place, in light of COVID-19.  “Since 18 March, we have been warning New Zealanders offshore that the window for flying ...
    5 days ago
  • Ground-breaking abortion law passes, giving NZers compassionate healthcare
    Ground-breaking law has passed that will decriminalise abortion and ensure women and pregnant people seeking abortions have compassionate healthcare. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Package supports Kiwis to put collective health first
    The Green Party says that the measures announced by the Government today will help families and businesses to prioritise our collective health and wellbeing in the response to COVID-19. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Winston Peters: COVID-19 rescue package ‘more significant’ than any worldwide
    As New Zealanders brace for a global downturn due to Covid-19, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters says his Coalition Government’s rescue package "more significant" than any other he's seen around the world. The Coalition is to reveal a multi-billion-dollar stimulus plan on Tuesday afternoon designed to cushion the economic blow ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Our response to COVID-19
    We know some people are feeling anxious about COVID-19. While the situation is serious, New Zealand has a world-class health system and we’re well-prepared to keep New Zealanders safe. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • ‘Demerit Points System’ will address youth crime
    Darroch Ball MP, Spokesperson for Law and Order A New Zealand First member’s bill drawn from the ballot today seeks to overhaul the youth justice system by instigating a system of demerit points for offences committed by young offenders. “The ‘Youth Justice Demerit Point System’ will put an end to ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Investment in kingfish farming
    Hon. Shane Jones, Minister for Regional Economic Development The Provincial Growth Fund is investing $6 million in a land-based aquaculture pilot to see whether yellowtail kingfish can be commercially farmed in Northland, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. A recirculating land-based aquaculture system will be built and operated ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 1BT grants for Northland planting
    Hon. Shane Jones, Minister for Forestry Forestry Minister Shane Jones has announced two One Billion Trees programme grants of more than $1.18 million to help hapu and iwi in Northland restore whenua and moana. “Many communities around Aotearoa have benefited from One Billion Trees funding since the programme was launched ...
    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand reaffirms support for Flight MH17 judicial process
    Rt. Hon. Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs Ahead of the start of the criminal trial in the Netherlands on 9 March, Foreign Minister Winston Peters has reaffirmed the need to establish truth, accountability and justice for the downing of Flight MH17 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • PGF investment in green hydrogen
    Rt. Hon. Winston Peters, Deputy Prime Minister The Government is investing $19.9 million through the Provincial Growth Fund in a game-changing hydrogen energy facility in South Taranaki, Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters announced today. “The development of alternative energy initiatives like this one is vital for the Taranaki region’s economy. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Coronavirus support for Pacific
    Rt. Hon. Winston Peters, Minister for Foreign Affairs Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters says New Zealand is partnering with countries in the Pacific to ensure they are prepared for, and able to respond to the global threat of Coronavirus (COVID-19). “There are currently no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Green Party passes landmark law to ensure deaf and disabled voices heard equally in democracy
    Chlöe Swarbrick's Members Bill to support disabled general election candidates has passed into law. ...
    3 weeks ago

  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
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