Daily review 01/07/2020

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  1. Cricklewood 1
    1 July 2020 at 5:47 pm

    The latest tidbit re the delays in putting cameras on the fishing boats shows once again we need to get quota away from the likes of talleys and into the hands of guys like this https://betterfish.co/.

    He has a 24/7 live stream on his boat works hard to minimize by catch etc this is the type of fishing we need to have here.

    I am disappointed the Labour and the Greens haven't rammed the cameras on boats through tbh hell even the Nats are in favour….

    • Cinny 1.1
      1 July 2020 at 6:37 pm

      PT won't give up quota that's for certain.

      I doubt the nat's are in favour of camera's, after all peter goodman their party president is a large shareholder with Sanfords.

      Do you have a link to confirm the nat's standing on camera's on commercial vessels please?

      Cool link re Better Fishing, sadly Karl is a small drop in the bucket however, only 15T of catch annually is peanuts, sorry to say. He hauls 10T of flats per year, so he will just be fishing in the bay and probably doing the Tuna run during the season.

      It looks like Karl is part of an inshore fleet, such vessel's usually only have up to three people max onboard. But it's a good start if he can get the other small boats to do the same. Unfortunately that will be near on impossible.

      Karl is in Napier (small fleet there), the thing is in Nelson, Talley controls the inshore fleet, they unload to and are paid by Talleys. The exception being Guyton's who unload to sell at their own store. I'm pretty sure Sealord have no inshore fleet.

      To understand the scope, Port Nelson is the largest fish unloading wharf in Australasia, and Talleys is the largest fish unloading facility at Port Nelson.

    • gsays 1.2
      1 July 2020 at 7:37 pm

      The Apologist for Wholesale Plunder Minister for Fisheries Nash was conniption inducing on the radio this morning. I came in part way through where he was saying it isn't as simple as putting a Go-Pro on a pole.

      I would settle for that at the moment, at least until Megan Woods can come and sort out this mess as well.

      • Cinny 1.2.1
        1 July 2020 at 7:48 pm

        If Nash knew what went on at sea he would understand why the need for cameras and why the fishers are dead against it.

        Megan is awesome, I've a massive amount of respect for her.

        Another thing about the fishing industry…… they won't want to listen to a woman, that's just how it is in that industry. It's sad but it's true.

        EDIT – Having worked in the industry and knowing what I do, is why I’m so pissed off about this. Camera’s are needed on vessels, and it’s not such a big deal to install them. Just do it during survey or over the Christmas layup. Crikey if you can have stereo speakers on deck what’s the problem with having a camera. It’s not like they can’t send data, they’ve got satellite phones on board aka ‘gold phones’

        • gsays 1.2.1.1
          1 July 2020 at 8:02 pm

          That's the bit that had me spitting my muesli, the excuses and obfuscation from that mealy mouthed public servant. Small businesses, costs $25,000 and other stuff drowned out by his backing alarm.

          Clearly became a tad impotent as he had been caught big-mouthing.

          The other thing about having Megan Woods involved is the 'big swinging dick' boys coterie carry on would fail to cut the mustard.,

          • roblogic 1.2.1.1.1
            1 July 2020 at 11:13 pm

            Shane Jones was on RNZ this evening making excuses for the fishing industry and the Minister. He is good at spinning the BS, give him that

  2. Fireblade 2
    1 July 2020 at 5:53 pm

    Grant Robertson's General Debate speech today was very entertaining. smiley

    https://vimeo.com/434212996

  3. Tony Veitch (not etc.) 3
    1 July 2020 at 6:30 pm

    I had to go in for minor surgery today and while under the knife had an interesting political discussion with the surgeon.

    He said he was going to party vote Green this election and further added that he wanted to see the end of NZ First because they would act as a brake on any Labour Green government.

    Which left me rather astounded. Making a sweeping generalisation, I assumed that because surgeons would be rather well paid they must therefore favour the Natz.

    So, based on this very limited anecdotal evidence, Labour Greens in a landslide in September.

    • Incognito 3.1
      1 July 2020 at 6:37 pm

      Those damn drugs!

    • anker 3.2
      1 July 2020 at 6:47 pm

      I would be amazed at any Health Professionals through out NZ who doesn’t 't vote Labour actually……….They must all be thanking their lucky stars for this govt and not the Nats given the state of Covid in the world

    • Rosemary McDonald 3.3
      1 July 2020 at 7:52 pm

      Are you serious?

      I assumed that because surgeons would be rather well paid they must therefore favour the Natz.

      So. Can I assume you were under the knife of a private surgeon? One not working in the Public Health system?

      • Grafton Gully 3.3.1
        1 July 2020 at 8:16 pm

        Probably works in both.

        • Rosemary McDonald 3.3.1.1
          1 July 2020 at 8:26 pm

          Yes. Possibly. One consultant I have known for a decade once spontaneously opined to us how he did not understand how that could happen. He worked in the Public Hospital 100% of his time and earned more than enough to keep his family here in NZ and support elderly relatives overseas. "A man cannot serve two masters.." He reckoned that was one of the major problems with our system…we''re simply not a large enough population to support two systems.

    • weka 3.4
      1 July 2020 at 8:00 pm

      I'd be willing to bet that more surgeons vote on the right than on the left. It's just a class thing.

      • mickysavage 3.4.1
        1 July 2020 at 8:03 pm

        Im not so sure. The serving ethos is really strong. Same with lawyers, a good third of them are lefties. But accountants and used car salespeople …

        • weka 3.4.1.1
          1 July 2020 at 8:07 pm

          1/3rd wouldn't surprise me. More than half of surgeons voting on the left would though. GPs might be more likely to be liberal especially with the change in demographics of people getting into med school in recent decades. Would be interesting to see any research on this.

          Nurses on the other hand, I would expect most to be left wing voters. Same with social workers, midwives, therapists.

          • Pat 3.4.1.1.1
            1 July 2020 at 9:59 pm

            it is always risky to make assumptions and generalise about any cohort….id expect that the split in any profession largely follows the national average

        • Craig H 3.4.1.2
          2 July 2020 at 5:42 am

          My brother thinks accountants tend to be left while economists tend to be right.

      • Craig H 3.4.2
        2 July 2020 at 5:41 am

        Speaking of class, surgeons go by Mr because doctors considered them to be blue collar/manual workers.

    • mauī 3.5
      1 July 2020 at 8:02 pm

      This surgeon sounds like a wonderful man, thank you Tony.

    • Macro 3.6
      1 July 2020 at 10:19 pm

      I know a surgeon who is, and has been for as long as I have known him, (10 years) an active member of the Green Party.

  4. Stan 4
    1 July 2020 at 7:38 pm

    I'm a lurker here but but not commented previously.

    Just to add that I'm a health professional and wouldn't dream of having anyone else in charge of the country but Labour. If greens got in too, even better.

  5. Dennis Frank 5
    1 July 2020 at 8:13 pm

    TOP opportunist compares UBI & GMI: https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/01-07-2020/explosive-start-for-opportunities-party-campaign-as-candidate-takes-dispute-public/

    It’s a policy that doesn’t currently have any champions within parliament, potentially giving TOP an edge for the enthusiastic niche of voters who back the idea. The Greens recently released a policy around a Guaranteed Minimum Income, which Simmons said had some merit, even if he thought TOP’s version was better.

    The UBI policy had resonated most “among people working in the gig economy, and that is more likely to be younger people. All the stats show they’re the people working multiple jobs. So I think people in that position get it.” Comparing the two policies, he said “the key difference is around incentives to work. The GMI is clearly better for beneficiaries and people who aren’t working, but it will turn the welfare trap into the welfare grand canyon, effectively.”

    He said a UBI by contrast would allow people to live comfortably, while not penalising them for increasing their work hours. “The GMI is a better version of the current benefit system. A UBI is a whole new welfare system for the 21st century and the gig economy,” he added.

    • RedLogix 5.1
      1 July 2020 at 10:20 pm

      Good spotting and a useful comparison.

      The most important aspect of a UBI that people who don't understand easily is that it has to be seen as part of the tax system. It's not 'another form of welfare'.

      And while there is merit in the Green's GMI that is essentially what it is, welfare on steroids, with all the attendant problems that brings.

      • Craig H 5.1.1
        2 July 2020 at 5:52 am

        For UBI to be any good, it still has to have welfare bolted on or it will either be insufficient for the disabled (for example) or hard to sell as the nominal tax take is too much.

  7. Cinny 7
    1 July 2020 at 9:44 pm

    Are Australians OK with this ?!!!

    Australia will be armed with long-range missiles for the first time as part of a $270 billion build-up of the Defence Force over the next decade as the Morrison government looks to keep up with the regional arms race being fuelled by China's militarisation.

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/new-missiles-for-defence-in-270b-arms-build-up-20200630-p557kg

    • Pat 7.1
      1 July 2020 at 10:03 pm

      some will be more than happy….and some will be vehemently opposed, just as would be the case here….the fact is that it isnt something subject to public opinion

    • RedLogix 7.2
      1 July 2020 at 10:25 pm

      In general yes. Australian's are generally not so helplessly naive as Kiwis are when it comes to defense.

      More a consequence of geography, than leftie virtue signalling.

      • aom 7.2.1
        1 July 2020 at 10:59 pm

        The joke of the day has to be the Australian PM who thinks they need to be armed to the teeth in case there is a misjudgement. This from the master of misjudgement!

    • Draco T Bastard 7.3
      1 July 2020 at 11:04 pm

      We should be following their lead. The world has proven itself not to be the benign place we thought it was twenty years ago and thus we need to build up our capacity to defend ourselves.

      • Drowsy M. Kram 7.3.1
        2 July 2020 at 12:58 am

        Why hasn't our little slice of paradise been 'rushed' by a 'big bad' recently? Maybe I'm naive, but IMHO we should prioritise health and biosecurity over military prepareness. It's likely NZ will face multiple threats from animal/plant pathogens and invasive non-human species, not to mention the guaranteed on-going epidemics of obesity, diabetes, alcoholism et al., before a 'big bad' changes our lifestyles forever.

        How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

        • I Feel Love 7.3.1.1
          2 July 2020 at 6:41 am

          Yes, also a perfect time for the police to take over, the illumanati (sp???) and any other paranoid conspiracy theory. If China, Martians whatever wanted to invade us or Aus we'd both be fucked, whether we had big guns or not, it's a delusion to think more weapons makes us safe. FFS we have a Chinese spy in our parliament.

        • Draco T Bastard 7.3.1.2
          2 July 2020 at 12:48 pm

          Why hasn't our little slice of paradise been 'rushed' by a 'big bad' recently?

          In 1914 or 1939 nobody had been attacked recently either. Didn't stop the wars from starting.

          but IMHO we should prioritise health and biosecurity over military prepareness.

          It's not an either/or option. We should be doing both. Both are options that a country wishes it never needed but is sorry not to have them when they're needed.

          • Drowsy M. Kram 7.3.1.2.1
            2 July 2020 at 1:08 pm

            "In 1914 or 1939 nobody had been attacked recently either. Didn't stop the wars from starting."

            Has there been any analysis of how more (or less) government spending on NZ’s military forces would have influenced the starting and ending of WWI/WWII?

            I'm not saying NZ should ignore military defence, just that we face many potential (non-military) threats that we might actually be able to do something about – why not prioritise those?

            • Draco T Bastard 7.3.1.2.1.1
              2 July 2020 at 4:43 pm

              why not prioritise those?

              Because the world is getting closer and closer to a hot war. That's what the Australian PM said and I agree. The actions of both the US and China are pushing us that way and when it happens we’re either going to be ready for it or get run over by it.

              • Drowsy M. Kram …
                2 July 2020 at 6:43 pm

                Different priorities – fair enough. Personally I don't believe military spending by NZ in preparation for a hypothetical future 'hot war' would be money well spent. I'd like to believe that it's still a matter of 'if' rather than 'when', but do understand the appeal of a 'hot war' to incompetent (using Covid-19 metrics as a yardstick) leaders such as Bolsonaro, Johnson and Trump, and there are precedents. Xi and Putin will share some blame, no doubt.

                Is it a binary? Might NZ prepare for and still be "run over" in a 'hot war'? Still, better to have punched above our weight and lost, going forward…

                • The Al1en …
                  2 July 2020 at 6:49 pm

                  In the face of a full on invasion, you might as well save the money that would be spent on purchasing half a dozen jet fighters that would be shot down in half an hour, and buy every inhabitant an ak47, a wheel barrow full of ammo, and instructions on how to fight a war of resistance VC style.

                  • Draco T Bastard …
                    2 July 2020 at 7:11 pm

                    Buying any jet fighters would be a really stupid thing to do for NZ.

                    Equipping NZ with a lot of long range anti-air and anti-ship missiles and effective orbital surveillance of our seas, on the other hand, would work wonders.

                    Especially if we developed the capability to produce them here from local resources.

                    • The Al1en …
                      2 July 2020 at 7:17 pm

                      That's why it made sense back in the day for HC to scrap the strike force.

                      I'll be interested in how you make your pitch to left wing voters to start a missile defence program. It doesn't sound like a vote winner when the levels of poverty are still so high and in need of urgent attention.

                      Orbital satellites sound great, but I reckon a space force would rock it (lol) more.

                      Edit:
                      I’d rather we spent the money on finding cheap, clean energy sources and give it away to everyone, after all, any war is going to come down to resources and/or supremacy over the resources.

                    • Draco T Bastard …
                      2 July 2020 at 8:27 pm

                      It doesn't sound like a vote winner when the levels of poverty are still so high and in need of urgent attention.

                      Poverty levels will, inevitably, go down as more people are engaged in work. It's a major reason why many nations have engaged in ramping up military spending throughout the ages.

                      Hell, the US still does and it has a law that says that all parts of military gear be made in the US that's been there since the 1930s. WWII really was the instrument to end the Great Depression.

                      Still, poverty is a direct result of capitalism and its need for cheap labour and so if we really want to do something about poverty then we need to do something about capitalism.

                    • The Al1en …
                      2 July 2020 at 8:31 pm

                      Great, if your answer to poverty is the world chock full of weapons of death, I'll book a front row seat on the hustings.

                    • Draco T Bastard …
                      2 July 2020 at 10:40 pm

                      No, my answer to poverty is to eliminate the cause of poverty – capitalism.

                      And, as I pointed out, even if we don't have 'weapons of death' everyone else will which means, quite simply, that we won't be able to defend ourselves from them.

                      The world is not benign and no amount of wishing is going to make it so.

                • Draco T Bastard …
                  2 July 2020 at 7:07 pm

                  Personally I don't believe military spending by NZ in preparation for a hypothetical future 'hot war' would be money well spent.

                  It's really not looking that hypethetical:

                  The confrontation over the Malaysian drill ship wasn't the first act of aggression by the Chinese government in the region in 2020.

                  The year began with a standoff in the Natuna Islands on the far southern end of the South China Sea, territory claimed by China and Indonesia. Vessels from both countries were involved in the standoff, which began when Chinese fishing vessels started to operate inside Indonesia's exclusive economic zone.

                  That's very definitely the first steps of war by China and its about time the rest of the world called it such.

                  And it would be money excellently spent as it would bolster our local industry while preparing us for the worst. The old saying comes to mind:

                  If you want peace, then prepare for war.

                  Many people seem to have fallen into the delusional belief that if we want peace then we should get rid of all our guns – while everyone else keeps theirs. This only makes it easier for any of the others to wage war on us while not keeping us at peace.

                  • Drowsy M. Kram …
                    2 July 2020 at 8:00 pm

                    No, it really is still hypothetical (for now), although "hypethetical" is a fun typo. Amazing though that a 'hot war' hasn't already erupted in the three-and-a-half weeks since that CNN piece was written.

                    Slightly concerned by your vision of a 'hot war' precipitated by Chinese aggression as an imminent certainty, and the idea that others (?) want “to wage war on us“. Have you considered a career in diplomacy, or the NZSIS?

  8. millsy 8
    1 July 2020 at 10:52 pm

    NZ First have become the NZ equivalent of the National Party of Australia – Fiercely producerist. Their stance against overseas ownership and immigration wilts under serious scrutiny given that they fully support overseas control of exotic forests, and the continued use of cheap Filipino labour on our farms and rest homes, while thousands of New Zealanders are still either unemployed or underemployed.

    I voted for NZF in 2002 and 2011. Never again will I fall for their BS.

    Only thing that worries me about NZ First leaving is their votes will go to the New Conservatives, who are bascially the Christian Taliban.

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