Daily review 01/09/2020

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1. Stephen D 1

   1 September 2020 at 5:57 pm

   https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/01-09-2020/live-updates-september-1-new-poll-shows-aucklanders-divided-over-level-three/

   Labour below 50%, Nats still below 30%, Greens over 10%
   • Alan 1.1

     1 September 2020 at 7:21 pm

     yea, Greens over 10%, of course its an accurate poll, lets all celebrate!
     • observer 1.1.1

       1 September 2020 at 7:35 pm

       As I mentioned on the Open Mike thread, the party vote numbers always get the attention but they don't tell the full story. It's just that "right/wrong direction" doesn't make for the sexy headlines – even though they clearly tell us the answer.

       When 71% say a country is going in the right direction, governments get re-elected. That’s true across all democracies, and electoral systems. Compare it with the same question under National.
       • gsays 1.1.1.1

         1 September 2020 at 8:01 pm

         Yep, under 30% think they are fit to govern.
         • observer 1.1.1.1.1

           1 September 2020 at 8:10 pm

           I meant under National governments.

           Before 2020, John Key in 2010 was the last time over 70% said "Right direction".

           http://www.roymorgan.com/morganpoll/new-zealand/nz-government-confidence
2. ScottGN 2

   1 September 2020 at 6:22 pm

   On those Roy Morgan numbers, with wasted votes redistributed, Labour on 48% would still get a majority, although just with 61 seats.
3. Dennis Frank 3

   1 September 2020 at 6:23 pm

   Well, Tova's report tonight disclosed that James Shaw did lobby forcefully for the Green School – even to the extent of threatening to pull Green support for all the other items on the list if it wasn't included. Spinoff reports that Treasury had advised against the inclusion. Clearly he saw it as a Green regional development win worth fighting for.

   I'm still unconvinced that Green voters will abandon the Greens over this though. It makes his confession of a mistake more realistic, but so what?
   • McFlock 3.1

     1 September 2020 at 6:38 pm

     Given that the time since he apologised for supporting the school now well exceeds the time that the government took to correct the covid "get tested" fb post (which was apparently simply aaaaages), I'm surprised you and Tova are still gnawing on this bone.

     Surely some public servant took an extra five minutes for lunch somewhere? Or a crown limo was 3km overdue for a service?
   • weka 3.2

     1 September 2020 at 7:05 pm

     Snort. You take O'Brien's spin at face value? Seriously?
     • Anne 3.2.1

       1 September 2020 at 7:43 pm

       ditto!
   • Jester 3.3

     1 September 2020 at 10:34 pm

     Well if it's true James wouldn't sign off on other projects until they approved funding for this school, I can see why Robertson wouldn't help him out and say it was not able to be stopped. Shaw deserves all the flack he gets.

     Watching him grovel and apologise over and over and virtually beg people to still vote Green was pretty tough to watch although Winston enjoyed it.
4. joe90 4

   1 September 2020 at 6:51 pm

   If there was ever any doubt.
   https://twitter.com/julianfeeld/status/1300587254163730433

   https://twitter.com/julianfeeld/status/1300593866085511168

   NZ Herald.
   • Draco T Bastard 4.1

     1 September 2020 at 8:58 pm

     Yeah, the MSM don't really do journalism any more but they do seem to be getting good at copy/paste.
5. joe90 5

   1 September 2020 at 7:04 pm

   Tough to argue self defence when you've shot your unarmed victim in the back.

   An autopsy conducted by the Milwaukee Medical Examiner’s Office found that Rosenbaum was shot in the back, the right groin, left hand, and left thigh. His lung and liver were perforated, and his pelvis fractured. He also sustained a graze gunshot wound on his right forehead.

   https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clarissajanlim/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-charges-criminal-complaint
   • mauī 5.1

     1 September 2020 at 9:00 pm

     The video shows the gunman being chased by the victim, he fires once, and then is chased again. Very different to what you're trying to portray…
     • joe90 5.1.1

       1 September 2020 at 9:22 pm

       You're blaming the victim of a murderous thug who summarily executed an unarmed man who from reports, threw a plastic bag at him. Sad.
   • McFlock 5.2

     1 September 2020 at 9:29 pm

     We-ell it depends. If Rittenhouse was going bangbnangbang and Rosenbaum turned as he fell from being hit in groin (fucksake) because he was running at Rittenhouse, that's very different from the bullets flying in the opposite order.

     But it could well be that the real problem for Rittenhouse is unlawful possession of a firearm (too young). Even as a misdemeanour, it could be that everything flowing from that was in commission of a crime – no self-defence defence.

     Apparently the shooter's lawyer has suggested using militia membership as a defence to the weapons charge. That could go to SCOTUS.
6. Pat 6

   1 September 2020 at 7:09 pm

   Newsroom site appears down….DDOS attack?
7. ScottGN 7

   1 September 2020 at 7:21 pm

   Winston sees an opportunity with the Greens omnishambles over the private school to remind everyone that he’s there to ‘stop the silliness’.
   You have to have to hand it to the old guy, he knows an opportunity when he see one, and he’s not one to let it go begging.
   • Anne 7.1

     1 September 2020 at 7:52 pm

     I'm trying to remember if I have ever heard Winston apologise for anything. Nothing comes to mind.
     • Incognito 7.1.1

       1 September 2020 at 9:48 pm

       
8. gsays 8

   1 September 2020 at 8:12 pm

   I've got a Huawei fone, android version 5.1.1.

   Does anyone know if the Covid Tracer App updates will extend to this type of device?
   • Jilly Bee 8.1

     1 September 2020 at 8:25 pm

     I purchased a Y9 Prime 2019 late last year, which has downloaded the Covid Tracer app OK – it's Android version 10. My partner has a Vodafone (ZTE) Ultra Smart 6 , which despite it's name it's not smart enough to pick up the app.
   • Andre 8.2

     1 September 2020 at 8:31 pm

     There's a list somewhere on the web of phone models compatible with the app, but sorry I haven't found it again. I got the vague impression that phones needed to be no older than about 5 years for it to be compatible. Some articles say Android 6, some say Android 7 as a minimum. Either way your 5.1.1 looks like it'll be a case of "phone says no".

     (DTB don't chime in about what you could do to an old phone, if someone's asking here they aren't going to be interested in that)

     edit: or maybe I was getting mixed up with the list of Emergency Alert compatible phones.
     • gsays 8.2.1

       1 September 2020 at 8:36 pm

       Thanks Andre.
       I suppose it is a matter of making the fone suit the app, not the other way around.
       • Andre 8.2.1.1

         1 September 2020 at 8:46 pm

         They're copping heat for it being inaccessible to people with older phones. So they're probably working on extending it to older phones.

         I guess keep an eye on the govt health page and the google store page.

         https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-resources-and-tools/nz-covid-tracer-app

         https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nz.govt.health.covidtracer
   • Draco T Bastard 8.3

     1 September 2020 at 8:46 pm

     It won't:

     NZ COVID Tracer is compatible with around 95 percent of mobile operating systems and devices. In the current release of NZ COVID Tracer, Android devices need to have Android 6.0 or later while Apple devices need iOS 11 or later.
     • McFlock 8.3.1

       1 September 2020 at 8:59 pm

       someone didn't read their own link (italics added):

       We intend to include support for older devices and systems in a future update to NZ COVID Tracer. In the interim, if you don’t have a compatible mobile device or operating system, it’s a good idea to keep a manual record of the people you’ve seen and the places you’ve been in case it is needed for contact tracing.
9. joe90 9

   1 September 2020 at 8:52 pm

   The UK and the US flat out with their colonial era Great Game fuckery in Africa

   A covert Kenyan paramilitary team armed and trained by the US and supported by UK intelligence is behind renditions and controversial killings of terror suspects in night-time raids, Declassified UK can reveal.

   • Clandestine Kenyan team has been paid and assisted by the CIA to take down terror suspects since 2004. “We’re really hands-on. We don’t just hand them the money once a month”, one US official said.
   • “Unconstitutional killings” include a family man wrongly slain due to mistaken identity, and allegations a terror suspect was summarily executed.
   • Britain’s MI6 plays a key role in identifying suspects for a ‘kill or capture’ list and finding and fixing their location.
   • Paramilitaries use covert tactics such as fake number plates and disguise themselves as aid workers on operations in refugee camps, which “shield perpetrators of abuses from any shred of accountability”.
   • Killings are “radicalising” Kenya, a former US ambassador and Kenyan vice president both told Declassified.

   Read Part 2 of this investigation here

   https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-08-28-revealed-the-cia-and-mi6s-secret-war-in-kenya/

   United States Special Operations forces (SOF) — including Navy SEALs, Army Green Berets and Marine Corps Raiders — are the US military’s most highly trained soldiers, specialising in counterterrorism, counter-insurgency, and “direct action” combat raids, among other missions. Their operations are shrouded in secrecy.

   Although US commandos operate on the African continent with the agreement of host governments, ordinary Africans are rarely told about the full extent of US activities — nor offered a say in how and why Americans operate in their countries. Even basic information, like the sweep and scope of deployments by elite US troops and clandestine combat by American commandos on the continent, is mostly unreported across Africa.

   

   https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/exclusive-inside-secret-world-us-commandos-africa

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   • greywarshark 9.1

     1 September 2020 at 9:07 pm

     When they have done over their current victims I hope the USA doesn’t turn their Eye of Mordor on us. And how can you do any good in this wicked world when the bad people are using you as a shield and doing harm faster than you can help.

     Paramilitaries use covert tactics such as fake number plates and disguise themselves as aid workers on operations in refugee camps, which “shield perpetrators of abuses from any shred of accountability”.

     In the end does anyone on the receiving end know who to trust and believe. And your supposed allies would expect compliance from the true aid workers to keep their identities and operations secret. So you'd be compromised.
   • Draco T Bastard 9.2

     1 September 2020 at 9:15 pm

     Imagine the uproar we'd hear if other countries decided to clandestinely take down terror suspects upon US soil.

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