Daily Review 03/08/2017

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141 comments on “Daily Review 03/08/2017”

  1. adam 1

    A few days old.

    Good Catholic workers doing what is right.

  2. joe90 2

    Where the Vatican likens conservative Catholics and their alliance of hate to Jihadis.

    Two close associates of Pope Francis have accused American Catholic ultraconservatives of making an alliance of “hate” with evangelical Christians to back President Trump, further alienating a group already out of the Vatican’s good graces.

    The authors, writing in a Vatican-vetted journal, singled out Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, as a “supporter of an apocalyptic geopolitics” that has stymied action against climate change and exploited fears of migrants and Muslims with calls for “walls and purifying deportations.”

    The article warns that conservative American Catholics have strayed dangerously into the deepening political polarization in the United States. The writers even declare that the worldview of American evangelical and hard-line Catholics, which is based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, is “not too far apart’’ from jihadists.


    • And of course,… its never mentioned the REAL reason why there’s a movement against the Vatican – based Jesuit child sex rings which are used for blackmail purposes ,…

      Is there.


      Leo Lyon Zagami, author of 18 books published in different parts of the world, and Grand Master of the Ordo Illuminatorum Universalis is the son of Prof. Elio Zagami, well-known Jungian analyst, writer and co-founder of GAPA (Autonomous Group of Analytical Psychology Was chairman of the senator and essayist Leopoldo Zagami and son of Jessica Lyon Young, a member of the Queen Mother of England family, in turn the daughter of the writers Henry Lyon Young and Felicity Mason, collaborator of William Burroughs, known under the pseudonym By Anne Cumming.

      After a brilliant career in media and music as a DJ and record producer known as Leo Young, in 2006 Zagami began his web-publishing business regarding his direct involvement with the New World Order and the Associations Associated with it and known as the “Illuminati.”

      Leo Zagami

      And here is what he has to say the Jesuit Pope WOULD have it in for ‘ American evangelical and hard-line Catholics ‘ …

      Vatican Insider Leo Zagami: Police Interrupted Gay Orgy In Vatican …
      Video for Vatican Insider Leo Zagami: Police Interrupted Gay Orgy In Vatican, Cardinal’s Aide Was Arrested▶ 29:41

  3. Keith 3

    I don’t mind Dr Bryce Edwards analysis but sometimes I get the feeling the Herald is paying his wages.

    Today’s item, “Reality check on Jacindamania” he quotes from none other than John Armstrong, Nationals Master of Ceremony and fuckwit, Mike Hosking, Nationals very own Joseph Goebbels – David Farrar, and some dude called Matthew Hooton who rumour has it has very close ties to some political party called National.

    Dr Edwards, any credibility of your article died right there and then. Did you expect objectivity? Is this why we can’t get rid of National with abysmal journalism like this?

    Armstrong has a horrible track record of failing to ever scratch the surface on this corrupt prone National government but has always had plenty to say what is wrong with everyone to the left of them.

    As for the other 3, who gives a flying fuck what these National Party pimps have to say?

    I was left wondering why he didn’t quote, Stephen Joyce, Peter Goodfellow and Sir John Key himself.

    Yes, Jacinda really needs to act very quickly to overhaul Labour’s key failing, namely their woeful lack of policy that is anything but the status quo, but mate, your article was shit!

    • Muttonbird 3.1

      Edwards is a cut-and-paste merchant whose ritin’ skills offer nothing more than ‘he said, she said’.

      Hell, Bryce has a doctorate in cutting-and-pasting! Better listen.

      • Carolyn_nth 3.1.1

        But it’s telling what he chooses to cut and paste from. Doesn’t explain his choice either – sloppy.

  4. Newshub-Reid Research poll tonight: Was it wrong for Metiria Turei to lie to get a bigger benefit?

    – Yes 73.9%
    – No 18.3%
    – Don’t know 7.8%

    Even half of Green supporters thought it was wrong – by party:

    – National 85%
    – NZ First 77%
    – Labour 67%
    – Green 51%


    Newshub: More questions raised about Metiria Turei’s living situation

    Ms Turei says she claimed a benefit between 1993 and 1998. The habitation index – that’s an official public record of addresses collated from the electoral roll – shows Ms Turei listed at the same address as her daughter’s father, Paul Hartley, in both 1993 and 1994.

    That’s significant – if she was living at the same address as her baby’s father she would not have been eligible for the benefit she claimed, the Domestic Purposes Benefit.

    We showed the evidence to Ms Turei on Tuesday, and asked whether the electoral roll had not been updated or whether the father was living with Ms Turei.

    “I’m not sure”, “I’d have to have a look”, “I was living in Mt Eden at the time”, she told Newshub.

    “I’m not talking about the personal relationships or other people.”

    The index also shows that in 1996 and 1998 Ms Turei was listed at the same address as her mother, Janice.

    “I’m not talking about my flatmates,” she said.


    • Anne 4.1

      P*** off!

      • Ski 4.1.1

        Why Anne, are facts offensive to you?

      • Ski 4.1.2

        Why Anne, are facts offensive to you?

        • In Vino

          Present all the facts, not just PG’s list.

          • WILD KATIPO

            Should ask PG what all his movements and financial dealings were 24 years ago…

            • Pete George

              Should you ask anyone else? Should you disclose all your own financial dealings?

              Up until that time I was working full time, while the mother of my 3 kids worked up to full time at nights, while she studied to get qualifications, while choosing to share the parenting. No benefits were involved.

              Living of a benefit and studying without working is just one choice of many possibilities.

              • blueyed1

                Your not a solo mother, not many men are left holding the baby. Are you aware that when Metiria, was on a benefit there were 200, 000 people unemployed, that doesn’t come in to it does it. Good on her

    • Carolyn_nth 4.2

      Fuzzy poll question – legally it was wrong, but many think it was morally right.

      Was it wrong for suffragettes to chain themselves to railings?

      Was it wrong for gay men to have sex when it was illegal?

      Was it wrong for Helen Kelly to get marijuana illegally?

      Was it wrong for women to have backstreet abortions back in the day?

      • greywarshark 4.2.1

        Before the dawn of time when the Salvation Army was getting started General Booth bought a prostitute to show that it could be done easily. He got into much trouble for bringing this matter to the public’s attention and involving himself in what was better left unsaid, immoral and illegal or something. It wa knowing about it that was the worst shock, so hard on people of purity, conspicuous honesty and gentle disposition.

      • adam 4.2.2

        You know Carolyn_nth most kiwis would have said each of those things were wrong, and they did. It was not until the law changed that people said it was OK.

        We really are a country of boot wearing, bully boys.

      • AB 4.2.3

        Excellent Carolyn_nth! Can I add another one?

        “Is it wrong for Pete George to snatch illegally-obtained food from the mouths of hungry children?”

        My personal answer to this dilemma? “Yes”
        An tbh, more than that. I give a little inward squirm of delight at the thought of every extra dollar of the beige one’s taxes that Metiria got. I hope they had a slap-up meal of fish and chips courtesy of Pete’s (unwitting) generosity. I hope they shouted “Thanks Pete” as they bit through some nice crunchy batter!

    • One Anonymous Bloke 4.3

      Yay! 18.3 plus 7.8 = 26.1.

      Go the Greens.

      Hi Peter Blancmange. Nice to see you got a mention in Jacinda’s first press conference. It must be your cut-and-paste abilities or something.

    • Two thirds of Labour supporters thought it was wrong, including the current party leader:

      Ms Ardern said having never been in the same situation as Ms Turei she wasn’t “going to sit here and be judgemental”.

      But she did question Ms Turei’s lack of remorse and the perception she might be endorsing fraud.

      “When you’re lawmakers, you can’t condone lawbreaking. You can share your story from your past, but of course you can’t then condone it,” said Ms Ardern.

      “When you are a lawmaker, you have to be very clear about when what you’ve done in your past has been right or it’s been wrong.”


      But the poll was taken before it was known that Turei may have lived with her daughter’s father and with her mother at various times during the period she says she was on a benefit.

      I think many people have some sympathy for the situations many beneficiaries have been or are in, but Turei seems to have gone further than a lot of people are comfortable with – including half of Green supporters.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 4.4.1

        As a taxpayer, I was disappointed to hear that Metiria agreed to cooperate with the scum. If they try and convict her they will wear the consequences.

        • Roflcopter

          Ooooo you’re sooooo scary!

          Now you’re threatening Gov’t departments.

          • One Anonymous Bloke

            I’m not threatening anyone. Just predicting the inevitable political outcome of making martyrs.

            Let’s leave the summary justice to the case workers, eh. After all, you put them in that position. What could possibly go wrong?

            No, wait, it already has.

      • Super work, Pete!
        Think you’ve got a sniff of blood in the water, do you?
        Strike swiftly, Pete!
        Go for the heart!

        • In Vino

          Trouble is, as all of us know who have tried to hit underwater targets from above the water, the light plays strange tricks. Not sure that Pete is up to the optics.

        • aom

          Then … start of Paula Benefit!

      • Carolyn_nth 4.4.3

        Turei said on Checkpoint tonight she was on electoral roll to vote at ex-partner’s address because she wanted to vote in that electorate, but she was living somewhere else. She said in retrospect it was stupid.

        Turei says this is what happens when you open your life to forensic inspection. She said beneficiaries deal with that all the time.


        Metiria Turei admits she was recorded as living at the same address as her baby’s partner while claiming the DPB but says she wasn’t actually living at the property.

        I can recall living in London, being on electoral roll at a different address from where I was living at one period.

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          All the things I want to say are about raging and smashing stuff except this:

          Entrench the BoRA. Prosecute human rights abuse to the full extent of the law.

        • inspider

          Name another beneficiary who is getting this kind of examination? I couldn’t see any on the news tonight.

          She is getting it because she has repeatedly lied in statutory declarations, appears to be telling the public a range of half truths, is not apologetic and is a leader of a political party who could be a cabinet minister in a few months.

          She appears to have a high sense of self entitlement, something that should be discouraged in people looking to access the public purse.

          • weka

            “because she has repeatedly lied in statutory declarations”

            Do you have any evidence of that?

            • inspider

              Her own words. Tonight she admitted providing a false address when enrolling for the election. You have to sign a form when you enrol and it is an imprisonable offence to supply false information under that part of the law. She also admitted that she lied to social welfare about income sources, and in my experience you have to sign that the information provided is true.

              • weka

                So a single instance not repeated. (btw, no-one gets prosecuted for lying about an address on their electoral registration, for pretty obvious reasons).

                As for what happened with WINZ, we simply don’t know. If she only had to provide documentation once a year (DPB), then it’s possible that she didn’t sign anything at all that was false. Perhaps in your haste to be a judgemental fuck you tripped over yourself there.

      • Muttonbird 4.4.4

        Of course it was wrong and, as she is now in the position to do, should pay it back.

        Many people have found themselves in this position but the fact that no RWNJs are prepared to admit that Turei’s claiming of benefits to which she might not have been wholly entitled has benefitted this country by dint of her subsequent contribution to it prove that continued attacks on her are nothing more than Dirty Politics.

        I know you struggle with the definition but that means you, Pete.

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          it was wrong

          No, it wasn’t. No, she doesn’t owe us a damn thing.

          • In Vino

            On the other hand, Metiria is not claiming that it was right. The Righties seem to think that they have caught her out lying.
            No – she voluntarily confessed – but that seems to be beyond the comprehension of Righties. Dumb twits.

            • chris73

              She confessed to one thing yes but it seems there may be more to come

            • srylands

              What the hell is a “rightie”? You know in the real world people simply don’t use these terms? There are intelligent people and stupid people, kind people and good people, proponents of sound public policy and proponents of poor public policy.

              But there are no righties.

              • DoublePlusGood

                People use ‘rightie’ in speech somewhat often, so you just need to get out and meet more people. Might give you more perspective.

          • srylands


        • srylands

          What the hell is a RWNJ?

    • billmurray 4.5

      Pete George 6.38pm,
      Thanks for the post, these figures prove to me that the recent couple of points that the Greens got in the polls were simply disaffected labour supporters.
      Meteria is very dodgy about the questions on flatmates etc.
      Arden/ Labour need quickly to distance themselves from the Greens as they have been toxic to Little’s / labours brand.
      I believe the Greens would be unsafe in any form of coalition government and I also believe that Winnie and his party would believe the same, judging by Winnie’s recent comments that Labour was foolish to go into the MoU.

    • Statement from Metiria Turei

      “I was the sole provider for my daughter. I was fully financially responsible for us both.

      “I did not live at the same address as the father of my child.

      “I was, however, enrolled to vote at the same address as him, which was in the Mt Albert electorate. A friend of mine was running as a candidate in Mt Albert in 1993, and I wished to vote for them.

      “That was a mistake – one of many I, like many other people, made as a young person.

      “I also wish to confirm that my mother was my flatmate for a period during the mid-1990s.

      “We were financially independent while living together in the same home,” said Mrs Turei.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 4.6.1

        Her experience will be very important in consigning National Party and other centrist human rights abuses to history.

      • billmurray 4.6.2

        Pete George, 7.36pm
        David Farrar at Kiwiblog is now saying that Metira may have committed electoral fraud?.

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          That’ll give the opposition something to whinge and whine about as she helps destroy your cruel trash legacy, eh 🙂

          • WILD KATIPO

            Funny that ,… unsolicited hair pulling ( esp ten times over a six months period after having been asked to stop ) is common assault , – WHILE being the Prime Minister of New Zealand.

            And so is claiming allowances for housing that you are not entitled to, esp when a senior ranking Minister of a political party , – AND already owning another house.

            And the difference between the above examples and Metiria?

            She did it when she was a young woman with a small child to feed, was struggling under balancing a meager budget while trying to complete a degree and NOT a Member of Parliament.

            So tell me , …

            Who is the one of these more deserving of leniency and understanding ?

            * For the far right wing nose pickers benefit .

            • srylands

              I see lots of women in prison for benefit fraud. None for pony tail tugging.

              Bill English committed no offence.

              Where was the fucking father? Either he WAS supporting her and she was not in fact struggling OR he was a dead beat child support avoider. Which was it?

      • blueyed1 4.6.3

        what’s your point George? People are not annoyed that she lied, they are annoyed because she was a beneficiary when she did it. So it’s not right for Metiria to lie but it is fine, for key, Bennett the double dipper and every other do nothing national MP.

    • AsleepWhileWalking 4.7

      Interesting poll as it doesn’t correlate to what I’m hearing in the community.

      Imho the most important point about her disclosure is that she wasn’t receiving enough. This would indicate to me that Work and Income failed to advise her of her eligibility for Special Benefit (phased out 2007 and replaced with Temporary Additional Support).

      I think Work and Income could have owed her $$$ she was not told about – a situation played out repeatedly in winz offices today causing unnecessary suffering in our community.

    • Violet 4.8

      No Meteria Turei wasn’t “wrong”, it is the system that is wrong. A system that is as petty and sanctimonious as you are. Anyone who is fully financially responsible for a child should be entitled to state financial assistance to adequately look after their child. Without “forensic investigation” into their lives. End of story. Do whatever possible to help parent and child/children participate fully in society and live with hope. And we’ll all be better off.

      • inspider 4.8.1

        So workers on minimum wage in Mangere should be forced to support her through taxes, while the father, who owned a house in mt Albert and who she feels comfortable enough with to use his address to commit electoral fraud ( while he and his labour mp mother are apparently happy to see his child starve), gets off scot free? The labour movement should be outraged.

        • UncookedSelachimorpha

          “So workers on minimum wage in Mangere should be forced to support her through taxes”

          Absolutely not!! And that is utterly unnecessary.

          Uber-wealthy rentiers like John Key and Graeme Hart etc should be forced to support her through taxes. This will have an added benefit of stimulating the economy by transferring wealth to the more useful part of town.

      • srylands 4.8.2

        Mu God. She was not solely financially responsible. The father was also financially responsible.

        • adam

          Yes and IRD takes the money from his wages. Sheesh srylands are you that out of touch with how the system works? I really think you need to look into how things work in the real world, before you give yourself a stroke.

        • Violet

          Unlike you, I understand complexity and reality. Take whatever righteous stand you want, we all live in the same society. We all suffer the consequences when children, who through no fault of their own, are not supported to achieve their potential. And don’t bother with the whole “responsibility” rant. It’s such a waste of energy. Deal with reality of what is happening rather than the fantasy of what “should” happen. Get your head around complexity.

    • Sacha 4.9

      “Newshub: More questions raised about Metiria Turei’s living situation”

      Questions answered about that to John Campbell earlier this evening: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/336436/turei-admits-enrolling-at-different-address-in-1990s

  5. Muttonbird 5

    What’s the Sinead O’Conner image supposed to achieve? More division within the opposition? Is it a Green thing having a pop at Labour’s issues? I hope not.

    Y’all want to get rid of Dunne, don’t you? From the looks of this, maybe not…

    • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1

      I expect the Templars had something to do with it. Probably hired Buzz Aldrin for the actual photoshop work.

      Cunning aye 😉 🙄

      • Muttonbird 5.1.1

        What’s your explanation then? Just a bit of fun?

        • One Anonymous Bloke

          I don’t have one, and I’m not about to jump to conclusions on that basis.

          • Muttonbird

            You can see the post. It’s obviously making fun of O’Conner’s reaction and quotes today about Ardern. Not sure why anyone on The Standard which is supposed to be the voice of the Labour movement would want to damage O’Conner’s chances of ousting The Bowtie from his lame position propping up the National government.

            UF got 0.22% of the party vote in 2014 btw. If there is a man who deserves to be representing Kiwis in Parliament less than Peter Dunne, I’d like to know who.

            Ban1080 Party got 0.21%
            Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis got 0.46%
            ACT got 0.69%

            You can see where I’m going with this. Why risk the chance to put Dunne out of his misery for good because of O’Conner’s past. It’s the same internal squabbles which have hurt the opposition for some years now.

            • Carolyn_nth


            • mickysavage

              My choice nothing sophisticated. I thought it was a good photoshop and quite funny.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Humour aye. It ain’t what it used to be.

              • Ed1

                Sorry I haven’t seen the relevance or the funny side – can you spell it out? Are you advocating for Peter Dunne? – he used to be Labour, didn’t he?

            • One Anonymous Bloke

              Words fail me.

              • Muttonbird

                Sweet. Have a free shot at O’Conner if you’re happy for Dunne to keep propping up the next National government.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Nope, not doing that either. Just a bit bemused by the whole exchange.

                  But you got my attention: if a joke can unseat O’Connor’s candidacy what bloody use is he going to be in Parliament?

                  Ridicule certainly hasn’t stopped a haircut being returned.

            • weka

              I haven’t heard what O’Connor has said today but I’m struggling to see the insult tbh. I was enjoying the nice Catholic theme in DR today.

              btw, voice of the labour movement is not the same as Labour.

              • weka

                Seen the GO video now and still can’t see the insult in the image.

              • Muttonbird

                Yes, that’s why I said the voice of the Labour movement as The Standard is described by it’s owners.

                • weka

                  Small ell, so as not to be confused with Labour.

                  “it’d be fair to say that all of us share a commitment to the values and principles that underpin the broad labour movement and we hope that perspective will come through strongly as you read the blog.”

                  It’s not my background, but I’m going to assume that the broad labour movement tolerates dissent. I get where you are coming from, I get sick of some of the relentless negativity about Labour in the comments. But this was a joke, and it’s hardly going to undermine Greg O’Connor to have someone poke a bit of fun at him (like I said, I’m not seeing the insult).

            • Sacha

              “The Standard which is supposed to be the voice of the Labour movement”

              That would be labour movement with a small l, as distinct from the party with the capital L.

  6. One Anonymous Bloke 6

    Being an American for Pandora purposes is ‘interesting’: just been listening to an advert for “Newgenics” (sp?). Uh huh. Classy.

  7. The far right wing sycophants are in gear, circling , bobbing , weaving and looking for a point of entry. Among them , – these prize wankers :

    John Armstrong :

    “Labour could do with is a lot more caution before casting its new leader as the Wonder Woman of New Zealand politics , you could have been excused for thinking Labour had just won the general election, rather than indulging in a last-minute exercise in survival ”.

    We should ask him about a fictitious $100,000.00 bottle of wine .

    What a lying slob.


    Then we have the perennial Wanker in Chief , – Hosking ….

    … ” doubts that Ardern is a saviour for Labour, raising questions about her lack of experience, and saying “I am not sure how relatable she is to middle New Zealand , – She’s promising new policy but it will have to be dramatically different than what they’ve already rolled out and judging by her opening comments in her first press conference, it was the same old stuff: closing gaps, more money, an inclusive society “.

    What a way to condemn your own words.

    Yes ,… he would be worried about the Greens catching the middle voters of NZ , while Adern drags women and soft Nat voters away from National ,- who , – actually kind of WOULD like to see a ‘more inclusive society with more money and the gaps being closed between the rich and the poor ‘….


    Then there’s dainty little David Farrar…

    Offering up an Olive branch as a front to appear all conciliatory and moderate … before ramming the dagger between the shoulder blades…

    Still one must admire the snake like approach…

    ” She is untested as a leader. Does the public think she can run the country ? … running a country is vastly different to running a club of youth wings , … will the public think her and Grant Robertson will be better economic managers than Bill English and Steven Joyce ?… she is popular and liked but she did fail to win Auckland Central (a previous safe seat for Labour) in both 2011 and 2014″.


    Untested. Just like John Key was.

    And while Jacinda was earning a Communications degree , running an internationally comprised youth wing , spending time working in the offices of Phil Goff and of Helen Clark as a researcher , and later spent time in London, working as a senior policy advisor , …

    John Key spent his years :

    ‘ working with foreign bankers who led raids on the New Zealand dollar , – and 20 years ago, he worked closely with a famed currency trader who mounted a brutal speculative attack on the Kiwi dollar. The attack, which has entered forex (foreign exchange) trading legend for its scale, audacity and profitability, prompted Reserve Bank alarm that the NZ currency would collapse ‘ .

    -According to an article on Stuff .

    Then we have the infamous homelessness and poverty such as we have never seen before in NZ , under Bill English’s ‘ economic management ‘ … well I dont know about you ,… but I would say ANYONE could come up with a plan that would be better than anything Stephen Joyce or Bill English have done in the last 9 years.

    And so far, Labour has done just that.

    I cannot remember any particular time when National wanted to raise the minimum wage and implement the Living Wage , can you ?


    What we got was more of Bill English and his prized ‘low wage economy’.

    And people dying from the cold because of homelessness , family’s living in cars and young people locked out of buying a home…

    Yeah right.

    That’s real good economic management , alright.

    So if you really want to read the news article that spawned these sorts of cretinous remarks,… read Bryce Edwards article on today’s NZ Herald for a laugh and a giggle . Just have a box of tissues handy to wipe away the tears of laughter…

    • mickysavage 7.1

      They are testing their lines. The focus group results are not in yet so they do not know what they are doing. Within a week they will settle on an attack strategy and stick to it remorselessly.

      • billmurray 7.1.1

        You have more faith in head office than myself.
        Don’t believe they need an attack strategy, more policies that will get broad appeal, also not just to young people as Jacinda as already intimated.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 7.1.2

        That’s the first time I’ve seen flailing impotence described as an attack strategy.

      • WILD KATIPO 7.1.3

        @ mickysavage ( 7. 1 )

        Agreed. You can tell the plan is in its early stages. Labour needs to work on possible lines of attack and work out the counter to them.

        If looked at logically , after 9 years there is plenty of ammunition if anyone tries to get cute. 4-5 stock rebuttals per angle of attack , for use both in parliament and in media. But apart from that ,… the latest fruits of National’s social policy is all there to see. And it isn’t pretty.

        And National cant attack them on economic performance because they are the party that’s been in for the last 9 years. All they can try to do is bluff and scaremonger. Which is totally unsubstantiated speculation on their parts. What isn’t , is the appalling effects on large sectors of society that is a direct result of National policy.

        Gareth Hughes hit it on the head not so long ago ( 11 Feb 2016 ) when Key was still PM before he jumped ship … one of my favorite speeches .

        Gareth Hughes on the Prime Minister’s poor leadership, 11 Feb 2016 …
        Video for gareth hughes speech john key▶ 5:04

  8. billmurray 8

    Wild Katipo, 7.52pm.
    Gareth Hughes stood for the leadership of the Green Party and got one vote , his own.
    Does not have much weight in Parliament, or in his own Party.

    • He described Key perfectly though, didn’t he.

    • Told a lot of truth though , – like another guy who was killed for doing something similar about 2000 years ago back in Israel.

      • Gareth got his nose busted in a “friendly” parliamentary rugby match a while back and posted the selfie soon after. I hope that’s all he ever suffers, in light of your news of his Deification, Wild Katipo.

        • WILD KATIPO

          Lol… not so much ‘ Deification ‘ , so much as showing that vicious types will always try to drag down a good honest person. Its in their nature to want to do that.

          As far as I’m concerned, Gareth is a bloody good honest bloke. And the things he listed showed up Key / National for what they really are.

      • mac1 8.2.2

        Wild Katipo, was that the bloke who said something about sin and stone-throwing?

        Oh, and another good line about rich people.

        And money-lenders.

        Still apposite today, eh?

    • weka 8.3

      Maybe that was an attempt at a joke, but the co-leaders aren’t selected like that so your comment comes across more like a lie.

      • billmurray 8.3.1

        it was not a joke or a lie, he got one vote in the co-leadership election, his own.
        He stated he HAD voted for himself.
        James Shaw won the vote.

        • weka

          Co-leaders in the GP are selected by delegates via an STV process. Delegates take instruction from their local area members. I’d be extremely surprised if MPs got a special vote that ordinary members don’t, but by all means back up your assertion.

          Beyond that, the co-leadership vote was always going to be between Shaw and Hague. Far too soon for Hughes to be stepping into that role, but useful for him to put his hand up and gain experience.


          • billmurray

            weka, 8.44pm.
            1% or 1 out of a 100 votes cast.
            Gareth admitted he voted for himself.

            • Macro

              You have a link for that assertion?

            • weka

              I’ve already explained how I think the voting works and provided a link. Hughes’ vote for himself is not the 1% you are claiming.

              Your problem now is that when people have been given a chance to back up their claim or change their position, and they don’t but instead double down, I get to call them a liar. Which is what I will do with you from now on. It’s one thing that you and I have different politics, that’s fine. But when you deliberately make up shit about left wing parties for your own agenda, I put you in the same category as DPF or Hooton.

        • WILD KATIPO

          And it really doesn’t matter what position he holds or what you think. The truth was the truth and that’s the end of it.

          The fact you felt compelled to defend Key , English or whatever other scumbag neo liberal demonstrates that what Gareth Hughes said resonated.

          Truth has a habit of doing that sort of thing.


          Like a bell.

  9. billmurray relentlessly attacks The Greens. Tonight, he’s looking at Gareth. Makes a change from his usual, “the MOU is the handbasket in which we are all going to Hell” rant.

  10. billmurray 10

    Robert Guyton, 8.34pm
    To me the Greens are nihilism.
    Often proved by comment on these pages.

    • billmurray, 8:43 pm
      Clearly you and the meaning of nihilism are strangers.
      That, or you and any and every Green MP have yet to meet.

      • AB 10.1.1

        RG. Quite – if the Greens are nihilists (all life is ultimately pointless) why the hell do they want to save the planet from catastrophe? Surely they would be grimly keen on anything that accelerated it?

        Actually “grimly keen” doesn’t really work, because nihilists (if true to their ideology) can’t really be keen on anything!

        • WILD KATIPO

          Neil,… off The Young Ones,… is a nihilist. But I would say so are Anarcho – capitalists. At least in basic form.

          Which is what BM ,srylands, WAYNE, billmurray and a whole long list of other regular far right wing supporters are .

          ‘ Anarcho-capitalism (also known as “libertarian anarchy” or “market anarchism” or “free market anarchism”) is a libertarian and individualist anarchist political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty in a free market ‘

          So the nebulous ‘free market’ becomes their form of nihilism . No organization , no regulation , no state … just a bottomless predatory free for all pit.

    • I’d say a govt that is OK with homeless dying on streets and living in cars is in an advanced state of nihilism itself, tbh.

      You know, I have a son who traveled with his mother to Cambodia when she went there to do some relief work. My son played with kids in the slums. They lived among huge rubbish dumps and made houses out of old car body’s. And many died because of hunger related preventable diseases and because they could not afford proper medical care.

      In NZ , family’s sleep in cars ( often when working multiple jobs ) , those without cars die of the cold , ( 1600 per year because of cold related illnesses ) often have to rely on food banks or starve , with many being permanently handicapped by preventable diseases because of lack of money for doctors , – or dying from them.

      Go figure.

      • billmurray 10.2.1

        Wild Katipo,
        saw the same sort of situation in Bombay mid 1980’s.
        Yes it is nilihism.
        The Greens, who are about a 12% political party, only ever won a seat once ( Jeanette Fitsimmons from memory) to Parliament.
        The Greens are a totally list Party.
        The Greens make rash and unachievable promises to the people living in cars etc.
        They will never deliver on their promises, only a major political Party can do that.
        The Greens pretend.
        They white ant the MoU.
        That is their nilihism to me.

        • WILD KATIPO

          Here’s something I wrote yesterday over at The Daily Blog , just for you Spud.

          And if the Greens ( in coalition with Labour ) even achieve some of this , – they will be going a long way towards the REAL remedy’s for NZ and a return to the prosperity we knew as a country pre 1984 ,- the year the liar Roger Douglas introduced his theft via neo liberalism :

          What I and many others are hoping for is this , – a return to what was once …

          … ” Free education , free healthcare , full employment and the maintenance of the welfare state, women’s rights , environmentalism , and Māori rights. A continuance of nuclear-free policy and opposition of military interventionism, progressive taxation , which would mean higher tax for wealthier people and lower taxation for poorer people. The removal of the Goods and Services Tax, as the tax is unfair because the amount paid does not vary according to the purchaser’s ability to afford it ” …

          None other than the very policy’s of the Alliance party !!!

          And here’s a few others still popular these days :

          Bringing Treasury / Reserve Bank under direct govt control , dismantling of the effects of the Employment Contracts Act , trade tariffs to protect local industry and workers jobs , making welfare inflation adjusted ie : costs of living , full employment – as opposed to maintaining a pool of unemployed to keep wages low , compulsory unionism , govt backed union award rates ( and industry apprenticeship’s ) cessation of land purchase by foreign corporate’s ie : lease basis only , re-nationalization of our SOE’s – including much of our former media ,…

          Do all that ?

          And you might , – just MIGHT , start to see a return to our former social democracy and the prosperity we once enjoyed under it.

          * Oh , … and btw ,… making illegal the measures used formerly by lobbyists to attempt to stage a return to neo liberalism as unconstitutional , anti sovereign , anti democratic and against the NZ Bill of Rights.

        • AB

          Hey billm – your ‘nihilism’ just became ‘nilihism’.
          I reckon it’s heading for ‘nihillbillymurrayism’ and that’s a whole new kettle of hamsters.

  11. Anyways , Adern and Metiria , Labour and the Greens are going to be Bill English’s worst nightmare .

    The convo’s gotten a bit quiet so couldn’t resist. Time for one of my fav Metaliica songs.

    Awesome band.

    Metallica – Enter Sandman [Official Music Video] – YouTube

  12. JC 12

    Auditor-General Martin Matthews has resigned due to a critical report into his handling of a major fraud case when he led the Transport Ministry.


    Due to the resignation the “Critical”report seems to be embargoed! Why??????

    • In Vino 12.1

      Yep – Bomber Bradbury has done a big post on the same question. It is inexcusable. But will it get air?

      • Union city greens 12.1.1

        Don’t know about air, but it won’t carry as much weight as his socks.

        • WILD KATIPO

          Yes,… another one of these ‘ Sirs’ involved either directly or indirectly with some sort of deviant scumbag behaviors… there really must be a tightening up of the criteria before someone gets a title with these characters… too many thieves among them.

  13. Union city greens 13

    I was talking about chunks Bradbury.

    • Kinda gathered that.

      Hence the reply.


      • Union city greens 13.1.1

        Never thought of Bradbury as a Sir, more sirloin and all the trimmings.

        • WILD KATIPO

          John Key gets off common assault charges, now lets see, … who broke the original pony tail pulling incident story ,… The Daily Blog , as I recall…

          And was it not some liar who used to be a cheap columnist who faked being an advocate that placed an article in the NZ Herald and twisted every word ?

          The Daily Blog smacked that sad little attempt at deception down as well…

          A little like the fictitious $ 100,000.00 bottle of wine being another sterling example of editorial bias from the same newspaper… and following that , another investigative report released to the public by The Daily Blog exposing that particular newspaper.

          You can criticize all you like , but Bradbury’s done more than his fair share of making the neo liberal coterie feel decidedly uncomfortable… just like any decent journalist should , – but fail to when they have been pay walled by the National party …

  14. chris73 14

    This is getting interesting: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/more-questions-raised-about-metiria-turei-s-living-situation.html

    and time will tell but maybe its looking like the gamble isn’t going to pay off: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/election/2017/08/newshub-poll-most-kiwis-say-metiria-turei-was-wrong-to-lie-to-winz.html

    On the plus side the 2017 election looks like it might rival the 2014 election in terms of being…entertaining

    • Yes, … yes it will ,… it will indeed…

      PM questioned on text messages to Dixon – MSN.com

      “Why did he send over 450 text messages… – New Zealand First …

      • inspider 14.1.1

        So he sent on average 1.5 texts a day to someone he knew and had worked closely with for the preceding 20 years. That’s a scandal . An absolute outrage.

        • WILD KATIPO

          Well then … your convenient ‘1.5 texts per day ‘ spread out over time may have relevance to a statistician but to the rest of us ( and in context of the law breaking of Todd Barclay ) with common sense it obviously didn’t occur like that but rather in ‘ clusters’ .

          And there was an obvious reason for those ‘ clusters’ . Late evenings, Early hours of the morning , … certainly does seem rather extreme behavior for a normal every day working relationship given the timeframe and context , – and more importantly , – the potential magnitude of the situation if it were to become public knowledge,…

          Doesn’t it.

          Sometimes trying to get cute and adopting the nerd approach by justifying all things purely on a measurable mathematical approach only serves to make you look ridiculous.

          You’ve just succeeded.

  15. exkiwiforces 15

    Here’s something for those cricket fans and those who like me that can’t stand that Muppet Boycott.


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