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Daily review 05/08/2020

Written By: - Date published: 5:30 pm, August 5th, 2020 - 38 comments
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  1. observer 2

    This is not satire. This is a real statement put out by the deputy leader of the National party, during a global pandemic:

    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2008/S00048/brownlee-calls-on-government-to-come-clean.htm

    Shameful. Whenever you think they can't go lower, they do.

    • Pat 2.1

      " Whenever you think they can't go lower, they do"

      This is Gerry Brownlee were talking about……there is no low

      • mac1 2.1.1

        Whenever I see bullshit like this, it tells me more about the accuser than the accused. Is this what Brownlee would do in government, is this his ethic, his way of working?

        Well we know he is an entitled bully, a poor supervisor of a city rebuild, and a member of a dirty tricks party in government. We know he has colleagues who lie, misuse private information, and just plain fantasise about mystery homeless men.

        So now he complains, on no evidence, just a suspicion, that the Coalition government would also hold back information from the public.

        When was that report on the internal culture of the National party coming out, Mr Brownlee?

        You get it wrong on polls. You get it wrong on unemployment figures. You get it wrong on the state of the economy.

        Maybe you're just wrong again, making it up, showing us how you really think.

    • Poission 2.2

      Seemed strange at first,however there may be some signalling from Bloomfield/Hipkins for an increase in border inflows,or it may just be a signal for increased vigilance.

      Calls first from Key,then Clark for increase in border flows are troublesome,especially the later who wants a Victorian type (private partnership quarantine mechanism) which successfully munted melbourne.

      • JanM 2.2.1

        I suspect it is in response to the frightening increase that Covid 19 has had in Victoria and how fast it happened

        • weka 2.2.1.1

          Victoria has been in a very different position from NZ though. How would we get from where we are now to massive outbreak? (apart from opening borders).

          • McFlock 2.2.1.1.1

            It would have to be a multi-tiered chain of clusterfucks, (1)from an isolation failure (2)into close contacts (3)who then manage to infect multiple people maybe at some sort of (4)close-contact mass event that disperses (5)unknown attendees around the country,(6) all with no intervention by public health officials at any step of the process.

            From what I gather from Melbourne:

            1) security guards breach isolation by shagging their wards (incredibly lax procedures – we seem to be trying to keep standards human but high)

            2) guards take covid home and infect their close contacts, which is not discovered in a timely manner (lack of testing of iso staff and awareness in contacts of staff. Don't know our status there)

            3) these close contacts start spreading causing untraced infections (tracing is an issue in NZ, but not catastrophic, and a move to L2 should sort that with the two week lag principle)

            4) is optional (but might be churches, pubs, or public transport – NZ wide open to that)

            5) Melbourne tried belated community lockdowns, but it's out again. (NZ has a track record of going hard, early)

            You can't just react with this thing, you're seeing its state two weeks ago. You need to pessimistically extrapolate where it's likely at now, with a wide margin for error.

            e.g. if a tourist got detected going into Sth Korea a few days after leaving NZ, we can't wait for covid cases to present to hospitals in Q'town or Auckland if the tourist had it here somehow because when they do, they've spread it to two or three degrees of infection from those that get to hospital.

            So we test now in those areas to lower that detection time. But if we find cases in Qtown, NZ could well go into L3 or L4 again, at least for a week.

            I don't expect that, but the old adage is to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

            • weka 2.2.1.1.1.1

              jfc, is that what's been happening in Melbourne?

              While our borders remain closed, I can imagine community transmission, from a failure point in the system, but it not getting very far.

              Preparing NZers mentally as well as practically for a second wave, as well as mask wearing etc, seems pragmatic to me. We've got a breather, it's a good time to do it before any more outbreaks and before the recession hits hard.

              • McFlock

                Apparently it was a couple of guards initially, yeah.
                But then they tried to (brutally) lockdown an apartment building (with lotsa of poc in it, purely coincidental) while leaving the one across the road open. And a few days later they had to expand the lockdown.

                To me, the incremental increases in controls suggests that they keep trying to do the minimum. Maybe the new lockdown shows they finally get the point that half-arsed doesn't work.

                But I haven't been watching them very closely (although I've been talking with relatives over in Melbourne), so I might have some details wrong. That seems to be the gist of what I've been reading and hearing, though.

              • Read that the same guards also took some of their new 'amours' shopping in a mall and central Melbourne ….

      • RedBaronCV 2.2.2

        Yeah with private partnerships having worked so well in Melbourne we should do it here? I think not.

        But Helen is sounding very out of touch. She just doesn't seem to realise just how lax our migration policy had become and just how fed up and poor so many people had become with the neolib settings. There's a quiet revolution gathering pace out here that wants a big reset. As to the foreign students – apparently they support 45,000 jobs but we issue 70,000 student visa's a year so without it we would have a job gain of 25000 in year one and 70,000 every year after that. Not exact figures but what's not to like. That's the unemployed back to zero in a couple of years
        Helen shouldn’t be talking over Jacinda and Chippie and the others.

        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122357203/private-sector-partnerships-needed-to-ease-capacity-choke-point-helen-clark-says

    • joe90 2.3

      Pandering to qanon channeling natz supporters.

      • I Feel Love 2.3.1

        That Ken guy is scary nuts, always got something bizarre to say. I know there's the view to not just say "these guys are nuts" & try & open dialogue, but how? They're clearly not responsive to reality, how can people believe this shite? & yet, plenty do. I got a work mate who does, he's English, yet will still rant that 'Cindy' is ruining this country & isn't really in charge, apparently she just listens to the experts. It's all over the place (& I work in an industry that's Govt owned, that the Nats/ACT would happily gut & sell).

    • joe90 2.4

      “It doesn’t add up. Why announce this now when there are few cases? What do these guys know that they are not telling us?

      Work it out, Gezza.

      Canadians shouldn't expect a COVID-19 vaccine to be a "silver bullet" that will bring a swift end to the coronavirus pandemic and a return to normal, according to the country's chief public health officer.

      Dr. Theresa Tam used her briefing on Tuesday in Ottawa to temper expectations about the speed and effectiveness of a vaccine. She reiterated the importance of physical distancing, proper hand hygiene and mask-wearing, and attempted to dissuade any notion that a vaccine will make life go back to the way it was in a couple of months.

      "We can't at this stage just put all of our focus [on a vaccine] in the hopes that this is the silver bullet solution," said Tam.

      "We're going to have to manage this pandemic certainly over the next year, but certainly [we are] planning for the longer term of the next two to three years during which the vaccine may play a role but we don't know yet."

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-vaccine-tam-1.5673729

    • Draco T Bastard 2.5

      “It doesn’t add up. Why announce this now when there are few cases? What do these guys know that they are not telling us?

      The same as what everyone else who bothers to read the news from the world knows – that scientists have said for weeks that a second wave appears to be coming.

      But, apparently, the National Party doesn't actually keep up with developments.

  2. anker 3

    absolutely shameful of Brownlee. I think Garner said something similar today……….

    • I Feel Love 3.1

      Hosking ramping up too. These bigmouths just show how much our repsonse has not been down to luck, but bloody hard work & great leadership. It is kinda insane, USA, Britain, Victoria, would look at us opening as total WTF!!?? & fek off to Key & Clarke, they must have their phones running red hot with landlords etc crying about their diminishing passive income.

  3. xanthe 4

    I never thought I would say this but i really hope Chris Hipkins is right and Dr Ashley Bloomfield is not in this case!

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018758140/health-minister-won-t-say-covid-19-community-transmission-inevitable

    • The Al1en 4.1

      Changing direction, some what, the other day you posted 'vote green get racism’. I asked 'how so?' and don't recall seeing your answer.

      So, how so?

      • xanthe 4.1.1

        That is my belief based on considerable time working for and in the greens. It is also what a significant proportion of voters think. It is the reason many dont vote green and actually also hurts the labour vote. Until the greens own and deal with this they do irreparable harm to the green movement and the planet.

        • The Al1en 4.1.1.1

          I'm intrigued. I've never met, or heard, anyone say the greens are racist.

          Who are they racist against? Can you give some examples I can google.

    • McFlock 4.2

      Bit like death, really – the longer we can delay the inevitable, that's the trick 🙂

  4. Anker 5

    To me it is pretty obvious. It’s a virus and so likely to creep in somehow.

    jacinda Ardern has signalled this all along. Countries that have come close to irradiation like China, Vietnam find it sneaks back in. Both acted early on re emergence remember Wuhan testing everybody.

    i think Bloomfield is sounding a warning because people were getting complacent, refusing tests. Everywhere I go, I sign in. I notice very few people do.

    • I Feel Love 5.1

      I tried to get the tracer app but it won't work on my phone. I & a lot like me I suspect wouldn't have thought to go get tested if I get a cold, these warnings help. I've talked to a few people about this & told them it could be out there & we just wouldn't know til it was spread, because hardly anyone is getting tested. We can all see what's happening around the world, well except Brownlee & his supporters.

      • Pingao 5.1.1

        I finally managed to download the tracer app today. I had to ditch some other apps first (a bit of house cleaning) to make room.

  5. Pat 6

    what happens to a system run on confidence (trick) when you try too hard and so obviously over sell that even senior bank economists will publicly ridicule you?

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018758122/unemployment-rate-unbelievable-jarrod-kerr

  6. joe90 7

    Insanity is a shed load of older, high-risk people with pre-existing conditions spreading the damn bug far and wide.

    Organizers of a South Dakota motorcycle rally are expecting as many as a quarter of a million people to show up in the small town where the event is hosted in the coming days.

    The Associated Press reported that city officials in Sturgis have been notified to expect as many as 250,000 rallygoers in town between Friday and Aug. 16 for the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, an annual gathering at Buffalo Chip, a campground located in the area.

    Sturgis only has 7,000 year-round residents, some of whom criticized plans for the rally to go on as planned during the coronavirus pandemic at a town meeting in June, according to the AP.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/510470-south-dakota-expecting-250000-people-for-sturgis-motorcycle-rally

  7. Morrissey 8

    Defund them, disestablish them.

    David Doel: "Why do we need this many cops? If this was a white family in a wealthy neighborhood, would they make all the kids lie face down on the concrete?”

    These thugs need to be not only defunded; they need to be disestablished.

  8. joe90 9

    If it's free, you're the product.

    Paywalls are justified, even though they are annoying. It costs money to produce good writing, to run a website, to license photographs. A lot of money, if you want quality. Asking people for a fee to access content is therefore very reasonable. You don’t expect to get a print subscription to the newspaper gratis, why would a website be different? I try not to grumble about having to pay for online content, because I run a magazine and I know how difficult it is to pay writers what they deserve.

    But let us also notice something: the New York Times, the New Yorker, the Washington Post, the New Republic, New York, Harper’s, the New York Review of Books, the Financial Times, and the London Times all have paywalls. Breitbart, Fox News, the Daily Wire, the Federalist, the Washington Examiner, InfoWars: free! You want “Portland Protesters Burn Bibles, American Flags In The Streets,” “The Moral Case Against Mask Mandates And Other COVID Restrictions,” or an article suggesting the National Institutes of Health has admitted 5G phones cause coronavirus—they’re yours. You want the detailed Times reports on neo-Nazis infiltrating German institutions, the reasons contact tracing is failing in U.S. states, or the Trump administration’s undercutting of the USPS’s effectiveness—well, if you’ve clicked around the website a bit you’ll run straight into the paywall. This doesn’t mean the paywall shouldn’t be there. But it does mean that it costs time and money to access a lot of true and important information, while a lot of bullshit is completely free.

    https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/08/the-truth-is-paywalled-but-the-lies-are-free/

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1

      The problem with paywalls is that it can prevent people getting the information that they need to make informed decisions. That's what poverty does.

  9. Poission 11

    Beirut the story behind the story.

    m/v Rhosus – Arrest and Personal Freedom of the Crew

    https://shiparrested.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/The-Arrest-News-11th-issue.pdf

  10. Adrian 12

    I’ve been thinking about this for a few weeks and it’s interesting that Brownlee is the alarmist, but the only way that the dirty bloody Nats are going to get a sniff is if we get a outbreak and a lockdown and my scenario is a deliberate release of Covid.

    Would they do it? Of course the arseholes would. I bet there were’t a lot of lefty SI farmers illegally brewing up Rabbit Calici Virus a few years ago.

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