Daily review 05/10/2021

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1. weka 1

   5 October 2021 at 5:56 pm

   Anyone want to catch me up on what happened today re NZ/covid? Been out at the river getting sunburn, listening to the birds (it's a big bird year) and trying not to think about the state of things.
   • gsays 1.1

     5 October 2021 at 6:24 pm

     Vaccine passports (MOH would rather we didn't call them that) are going to be a thing. For large events – festivals, sports events, big hospo places and Air NZ.
2. gsays 2

   5 October 2021 at 6:21 pm

   I thought I would group source some reckons from y'all.

   I have a buddy who fell in love with a woman from Newfounland while she was working in Northland. They bought a house, had a child then went back to Canada so she could further her ambitions in the fledgling community midwife space.

   They have been there for 2 years and he has been at home with their son and he has now started school. He was told she is not happy and that he was 'fired' (his words). She has removed/cancelled her spousal sponsorship of him. He has moved to a hotel, has his MIQ spot booked and is back here mid November.

   He is not the sort to get lawyered up or to deny his son a place to live etc (her house in NL is in her mothers name). He feels really set-up and passed comment that she now has her hand out- implying wanting monies.

   How does custody work across nations? Child support payments? Access to see the child?

   My heart broke with his comment "He's my mate, I wont be able to see him"
   • SPC 2.1

     5 October 2021 at 6:53 pm

     This is a general rule and applies between Commonwealth nations.

     When the parents live in different states or countries, a child support case can be opened at the child support agency in the state where the parent or guardian lives. The agency will establish and enforce the child support order and ask the other state or country for help.

     https://www.justice.govt.nz/family/care-of-children/child-support/if-a-parent-lives-overseas/

     Any chance of custody would depend on the child's citizenship status and the father having (retained) home ownership and employment. Without custody/shared custody access would depend on ability to visit Canada (as parent of a "Canadian" citizen) and Skype/Zoom etc.
     • gsays 2.1.1

       5 October 2021 at 7:18 pm

       Thanks, SPC. Quite informative.

       I am wanting to give him some info once the shock of the last day or so subsides.
   • Treetop 2.2

     5 October 2021 at 8:36 pm

     Is the child a NZ citizen or does the child have dual citizenship?

     It is never in the child's best interest (especially young children) to have their parents living in different countries.

     Your mate needs to work out what he wants (stay in Canada and find a way to not be removed and be supported) or pine for his son.

     The child's mother is wanting a separation, separating the child from his father is going too far.
     • Gezza 2.2.1

       5 October 2021 at 9:25 pm

       I've read the article. That's fascinating.

       And encouraging. Getting the incentive & the atmosphere right will obviously go a long way to bringing the slow vaccine starters in for their shots.

       Let's hope others come up with same idea & different ideas to pull in the tardy among the various groups with relatively large numbers still unvaxed.
       • Gezza 2.2.1.1

         5 October 2021 at 9:28 pm

         Oops – sorry. Wrong place 😰
     • gsays 2.2.2

       5 October 2021 at 11:13 pm

       I think the boy has dual citizenship,

       It's early in the situation, from my friend's point of view at least. Mum, not so much.

       He may re-look at his options when the dust settles.
       • Sabine 2.2.2.1

         6 October 2021 at 8:30 am

         he needs to hire a custody lawyer in Canada, and see if he can stay in Canada for a while longer, until this is settled. I would hope that him having had that spouse support could translate in to a hardship visa for the short term, and then a visa for the longer term. If he wants to be in the life of the child, staying in Canada may actually be the only solution.

         So yes, custody lawyer and migration lawyer.
         • gsays 2.2.2.1.1

           6 October 2021 at 8:54 am

           Thanks Sabine, I agree, there are some tough decisions to consider.

           Hard for him to see it right now but some proper legal advice early could save a lifetime of heartache.
           • Sabine 2.2.2.1.1.1

             6 October 2021 at 10:45 am

             It will allow him to focus on his pain and emotional upset that comes with this things, while the lawyer will have the good head and knowledge to get him his rights as a father and ex spouse that he is due.
   • McFlock 2.3

     5 October 2021 at 9:35 pm

     He really needs a lawyer. These problems can get really nasty really quickly.
     • gsays 2.3.1

       6 October 2021 at 8:57 am

       That would seem to be the consensus.

       I will give it a day or so and pass that on.
3. alwyn 3

   5 October 2021 at 6:54 pm

   John Key was right.

   In the film Field of Dreams the leading figure hears a voice saying "If you build it, he will come". Key said, roughly, "If you give them a hamburger, they will get vaccinations".

   Well they tried it today at Canterbury University and they expect to have given over 1,000 jabs by the time they shut down for the day.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126581171/covid19-free-burgers-lure-hundreds-of-university-students-for-jabs
   • Gezza 3.1

     5 October 2021 at 9:29 pm

     I’ve read the article. That’s fascinating.

     And encouraging. Getting the incentive & the atmosphere right will obviously go a long way to bringing the slow vaccine starters in for their shots.

     Let’s hope others come up with same idea & different ideas to pull in the tardy among the various groups with relatively large numbers still unvaxed.
4. joe90 4

   5 October 2021 at 7:01 pm

   How to manage Covid is a perfect example of a wicked problem.

   Rittel and Webber's 1973 formulation of wicked problems in social policy planning specified ten characteristics:

   1. There is no definitive formulation of a wicked problem.
   2. Wicked problems have no stopping rule.
   3. Solutions to wicked problems are not true-or-false, but better or worse.
   4. There is no immediate and no ultimate test of a solution to a wicked problem.
   5. Every solution to a wicked problem is a "one-shot operation"; because there is no opportunity to learn by trial and error, every attempt counts significantly.
   6. Wicked problems do not have an enumerable (or an exhaustively describable) set of potential solutions, nor is there a well-described set of permissible operations that may be incorporated into the plan.
   7. Every wicked problem is essentially unique.
   8. Every wicked problem can be considered to be a symptom of another problem.
   9. The existence of a discrepancy representing a wicked problem can be explained in numerous ways. The choice of explanation determines the nature of the problem's resolution.
   10. The social planner has no right to be wrong (i.e., planners are liable for the consequences of the actions they generate).

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem
5. ianmac 5

   5 October 2021 at 7:47 pm

   May have been noted before but maybe some justice?

   A 63-year-old man has been charged in relation to organising and attending the Destiny Church-led mass anti-lockdown protest in Auckland on Saturday…..

   …Two independent sources have confirmed to the Herald the man summonsed to appear in court is Brian Tamaki.

   Plenty of money though so just take a fine out of petty cash. Tamaki has said a week or so ago, that he will have another rally.

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-brian-tamaki-charged-after-anti-lockdown-protest-at-auckland-domain/JSF6XAJXJVPNNQVN2LVJ2W5WZU/
   • Cricklewood 5.1

     5 October 2021 at 8:21 pm

     To be honest I think he's wanting to be arrested… He'll be comparing himself to jesus this time next week.

     We should be wary of playing to his dreams of martyrdom… potentially makes the situation worse…
     • ianmac 5.1.1

       5 October 2021 at 8:27 pm

       Yep. And a fine is no problem to the very wealthy. Yuck.
       • Cricklewood 5.1.1.1

         5 October 2021 at 8:42 pm

         Yep imho best to ignore him for now im sure charges could be brought in a year or so…

         No doubt his flock will turn up outside court making another potential exposure event… I really hope the authorities arent so stupid as to play into his hands
     • Anne 5.1.2

       5 October 2021 at 8:49 pm

       He'll be comparing himself to jesus this time next week.

       You mean like this:

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k22ZqEu3yHM
       • Cricklewood 5.1.2.1

         5 October 2021 at 8:53 pm

         Sadly not, I suspect he'll be all fire and brimstone and how his flock react im not in a position to judge…

         My suspicion is it'll make shit a whole lot worse… better to play the long game sometimes
       • weka 5.1.2.2

         5 October 2021 at 10:02 pm

         https://twitter.com/Lukeurmyson/status/1445225670963974148
         • Anne 5.1.2.2.1

           5 October 2021 at 11:32 pm

           Looks like I wasn't the only one who made the connection. Here's some more drivel from that brilliant satire "Life of Brian"

           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9knToyK-wUs
   • mary_a 5.2

     6 October 2021 at 3:51 pm

     @ ianmac (5) … no problem for the Apostle being fined. His tithing congregation will pay, so the Apostle won't be out of pocket. I hope he's put in prison for his deliberate flouting of the Covid rules.
6. Cricklewood 6

   5 October 2021 at 8:02 pm

   Anyone know if a vaccine other than Pfizer is availble here? Have some acquaintances that wont have an mRna jab a but say they would accept a more 'traditional' vaccine like Novavax or Jensen even Sinofarm I've emailed a couple of places and no response…

   Surely there is a second option available somewhere here for people that maybe allergic to an ingredient in the Pfizer?
   • SPC 6.1

     5 October 2021 at 8:26 pm

     We probably have some AZ (higher risk of clotting, immunity not quite as good as Pfizer). Novavax is not here till next year.

     Another issue with Pfizer is some are concerned that lack of aspiration (drawing the needle to check its not going into veins) can lead to the RNA vaccine going into the blood.
     • Cricklewood 6.1.1

       5 October 2021 at 8:35 pm

       Yeah I did some reading on that something like a 1 in 50000 chance of hitting a vessel which is rare but when mass vaccination is happening its a significant number, read somewhere that studies in mice showed hitting vessel greatly increased heart issues… have to wonder why they aren't aspirating small thing that could potentially reduce serious side effect…

       Think there's alot to learn yet about efficy just read this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/05/pfizer-covid-jab-90-effective-against-hospitalisation-for-at-least-6-months

       In short it shows that booster shots are going to be needed and soon given we vaccinated our most vulnerable groups first…
       • SPC 6.1.1.1

         5 October 2021 at 8:47 pm

         (Sure blood vessels not veins). Health workers will also need boosters before the Novavax vaccines arrive here next year (if only to ensure hospitals have enough staff in the workplace).

         Only 50% effective at preventing infection at 6 months (the positive is not going to hospital and getting stronger immunity via infection – no need for a booster).

         Unfortunately there is new research indicating some negative impact on kidney function from infection.
         • Cricklewood 6.1.1.1.1

           5 October 2021 at 8:58 pm

           Yeah I saw that, public health issues are going to be a burden for a very long time… we need to vax everyone we can if getting an emergency delivery of alternate vaccines gets an extra 1 percent it's money well spent and hopefully the govt will move extremely quickly on boosters… be pretty grim if they're not approved asap with new settings alot of our frontline workers must be close to 6 months now.

           Even with non serious symptoms they wont be able to work for a period of time while infectious will sink the health system quick smart
         • SPC 6.1.1.1.2

           5 October 2021 at 9:03 pm

           The kidney function impact is not good – especially for a country with high diabetes levels.

           https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/09/210901093519.htm

           https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2189
           • Cricklewood 6.1.1.1.2.1

             5 October 2021 at 9:12 pm

             Yep, reality is govt needs to move quick and start preparing the health system… more dialysis etc Obviously its expensive but I feel coming out early explaining why its needed clearly and lifting taxes especially at the top end of town will gain support.

             We're already well behind on ICU beds etc surely now is the time to lay out the situation lift taxes on the wealthy and start improvimg the situation… whats the saying 'never let crisis go to waste'…

             Its a once in a lifetime opportunity to repair our health system with popular support…
             • SPC …

               5 October 2021 at 9:28 pm

               Pharmac have finally brought in two drug improvements – then limited access to only 1/4 of those who need them.

               https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/444548/pharmac-decision-will-exclude-thousands-from-new-drugs-diabetes-foundation
7. joe90 7

   5 October 2021 at 8:08 pm

   The kids are alright.

   https://twitter.com/VeerOffTrack/status/1445252318681702403
   • joe90 7.1

     5 October 2021 at 8:32 pm

     Righto, who's running the sweep on when restrictions will be toughened?

     Singapore's Ministry of Health reported 2,909 new COVID-19 cases on Friday, the highest number of daily infections in the city-state since the start of the pandemic.

     There are 1,356 cases warded in hospitals, 222 cases that require oxygen supplementation, and 34 cases in the intensive care unit as of Friday, according to the ministry.

     The ministry also reported that among the 31,057 infected individuals over the past 28 days, 98.2 per cent had no or mild symptoms, thanks to country's high vaccination rate

     […]

     But with the spreading of highly contagious Delta variant, the government has decided to reimpose restrictions on Monday.

     The tighter restrictions include limiting social gatherings to two people, making work-from-home the standard again, rather than having 50 per cent of employees in the office, and suspending or moving classes online for students aged 12 and under.

     The new measures will be re-evaluated every two weeks, the Health Ministry said.

     https://www.9news.com.au/world/singapore-hits-highest-daily-number-of-covid19-cases-since-the-start-of-the-pandemic/4a7662e6-6eaa-4265-924c-aa78fe66b249
     • SPC 7.1.1

       5 October 2021 at 9:09 pm

       No going back to Level 4 … ever …

       I've already picked we'll have 1000 infections a day by December.

       Restrictions will only be toughened outside Auckland should there be community spread, in Auckland they will only delay loosening rules if spread rates are seen as too high – thus 1000 a day later this year. If we are vaxxed up by then we’ll be OK (with a few medical staff moved into Auckland to help, especially with break through infections to health workers pre boosters).
8. McFlock 8

   6 October 2021 at 1:42 am

   My “not sure” about the elimination strategy being "abandoned” is coalescing around "yeah, nah, there's no surrender".

   Scanning today's press conference, it seems Ardern didn't agree with that framing and pointed out that nothing has changed in regards to finding every single infection and ending that chain.

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