He's an anti-vaxxer and the Australian government has banned non-vaccinated people from entering their country. So, he and his supporters find a way to get him into the country under false pretenses and he is caught.
that would make more sense if it was presented alongside how many athletes collapses with heart issues in 2019.
It wouldn't surprise me if athletes have a vulnerability to vaccine side effects including myocarditis. You can see the problem for governments though. Why should Djokovic be given an exemption to the border rules and other people denied.
how many athletes collapses with heart issues in 2019.
In 2019,an estimated 98 Italian athletes suffered sudden cardiac deaths. Nearly 40% were under 35. But cardiac hypertrophy, hearts muscled up by over training making them susceptible to electrical disorders, has long been a problem in the sporting world.
Hmm. You think that may feed into the apparent phenomena of fitness freaks (ie – the serious muscle tone crowd) doing 'less than well' when hit with covid?
Athletic heart syndrome is an over-training issue, not fitness/muscularity. Any more than about five hours of high intensity exertion a week and you're asking for trouble. And as with any over-muscled body part, athletic heart syndrome causes a loss of flexibility and the heart stiffens and loses efficiency.
So it's hardly surprising that when Covid, which, as is becoming apparent fucks with the renin-angiotensin system, comes along it induces all sorts of cardio-vascular shenanigans to a stiff, inefficient organ that's already likely to go bad.
"Any more than about five hours of high intensity exertion a week and you're asking for trouble."
Surely every professional sports person (rugby, league, football etc) would be doing more than 5 hours high intensity training (not to mention the actual events)?
A report at goodlysciencing.com shows a list of athletes who took the COVID vaccine and later went under cardiac arrest.
GoodSciencing.com (not goodlysciencing.com apparently) has this as their banner head:
Real Science
Science needs open discussion anything else is totalitarian.
And their about us:
A few people have been asking who we are, what our credentials are, and what we’re trying to prove.
We are a small team of investigators, news editors, journalists, and truth seekers, now backed up by others, who are discovering pieces of information that we can investigate. It doesn’t really matter who we are. What really matters is that we care carrying on an investigation and we’re presenting the evidence we’ve found, almost all of it documented in mainstream media publications.
Not exactly what I'd call a particularly compelling source.
(in fact wordfence seemingly prevented me from linking directly to the goodsciencing.com site)
Here's something to think about. You cannot rule out the possibility that there is a real and important signal here. I don't care what probability you allocate to it – it isn't zero. Yet the reflexive response is to tell us 'nothing to see here'.
Sure you might get away with this strategy most of the time, but it ensures you'll miss all the black swan events.
Well here is an example of how the signal was not seen until years later. Nobody predicted it, yet it was only discovered by paying attemtion to the signal:
An increased risk of narcolepsy was found following vaccination with Pandemrix, a monovalent 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine that was used in several European countries during the H1N1 influenza pandemic. This risk was initially found in Finland, and then other European countries also detected an association.
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Overall, we rate YourNews right biased and Questionable based on the promotion of propaganda, the use of poor sources, misleading information, and a lack of transparency.
Going on to say……..
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I suspect they may have aggregated a search with 'sports people + heart disease' and voila the heart disease is from the vaccination!
No, of course not. I like to know if I am dealing with bona fide people or just nutters with a view.
I have addressed the data above by querying why Chris Cairns is on the list as affected by the covid vaccine and positing that some athletes may be affected by Long Q that was around long before Covid and vaccines.
The list seems to be 'all cause' – which is a crude measure of 'excess deaths' for this group of people and a legitimate method used to remove categorising errors.
The question it poses is – what has caused the apparent increase? Is there a real signal here?
He has other questionable views, see above. 'Djokovic is dubbed 'Novax' Djokovic for his theories and actions about vaccines, but he also holds other scientifically questionable views – including that people can magically alter water quality with their minds.
"Through the power of gratitude they managed to turn the most toxic food or the most polluted water into the most healing water," Djokovic said in an interview.
He came under fire in 2020 for spreading COVID at a tournament he organised, where there had been parties and a lack of distancing'.
He does not seem to have garnered much support from his fellow tennis players with Rafael Nadal
'I think if he wanted, he would be playing here in Australia without a problem," Nadal said. "He made his own decisions, and everybody is free to take their own decisions, but then there are some consequences.'
Boris Becker had this to say
'Novak Djokovic is making a "big mistake" if he doesn't get vaccinated against Covid-19, says the world No 1's former coach Boris Becker'.
No doubting Djokovic's atypical ability as a tennis player – maybe it’s not too great a leap to suppose that he possesses other atypical skills and behaviours.
‘Bending’ rules designed to protect public health during a pandemic is not ideal, imho, nor does any expectation of exceptional treatment sit well with me.
And of course men need to be included in the count of femicide, lest they feel left out. And if no men has been murdered in an act of femicide and thus is not included in the count of actual dead Non Males that litter the country side with their dead bodies then that must be because of transphobia.
n their thread, #NousToutes went on to say that the sentiment was "oppressive" and "otherwise illegal," noting that "transphobia is not an opinion, but a crime punishable by law."
The collective goes on to say that it will be suspending their reporting on femicide data until they can find a source which is more inclusive, and recognizes trans-identified males as victims of femicide.
The collective goes on to say that it will be suspending their reporting on femicide data until they can find a source which is more inclusive, and recognizes trans-identified males as victims of femicide.
You must have missed that part earlier before you got busy asking about Non males killing non males to deflect of the fact that domestic violence is something that kills non males at the hand of males more often then not, and the absurdity of males damanding to be included in the list of dead non males because they have a feels of a women. . As you were, as you were.
I will confess I hadnt read up thread….it was an instinctive question re femicide….and as to the and "the absurdity of males damanding to be included in the list of dead non males because they have a feels of a women."…I think that speaks for itself.
And why I should have continued to avoid the absurdity as i have done to date.
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Sean Hannity has informed the congressional committee investigating the U.S. Capitol insurrection that swearing to tell the truth would be a violation of his contract with Fox News.
In a written statement, Hannity said that taking an oath “to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” would be “a betrayal of the solemn vow I made to Fox.”
“The members of the committee would no doubt require me to swear on a Bible,” he said. “However, I answer to a higher power: Rupert Murdoch.”
The committee members attempted to reassure Hannity that he would need to tell the truth only to them and not while he was doing his show, but he remained steadfast in his refusal.
“Telling the truth is a deal breaker,” Hannity said. “If I am seen doing it even once, it could destroy my brand.”
"We are approaching a solemn anniversary this week," Cruz said. "And it is an anniversary of a violent terrorist attack on the Capitol, where we saw the men and women of law enforcement demonstrate incredible courage, incredible bravery, risk their lives to defend the men and women who served in this Capitol.
I'm disappointed in Cruz. I thought in his follow-up he would have said, should have said, words to the effect: "It is an anniversary of an ordinary tourist excursion in the Capitol, where we saw the men and women of the Republican Party demonstrate incredible courage, incredible bravery and risked their lives in adding to the day.
In their effort to make it as exciting as possible for the visitors, instead of staying to welcome them, they ran and hid. There was a great hubbub to set a tone of excitement and acknowledgement needs to go to my colleagues for entering into the spirit of things."
We could have fun with this along the lines of the spoofs along the lines of Bulwer Lytton's "It was a dark and stormy night….. '
Here is the original text…….back later. Gathering firewood.
We are approaching a solemn anniversary this week," Cruz said. "And it is an anniversary of a violent terrorist attack on the Capitol, where we saw the men and women of law enforcement demonstrate incredible courage, incredible bravery, risk their lives to defend the men and women who served in this Capitol.
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Anyone seen a decent analysis of how the Australian covid situation might affect supply lines in NZ over the next month or so? Longer term?
keep yourself prepared to last about 4 weeks on everything is my understanding in comments dealing with my european friends and relatives.
What an entitled p***k!
He's an anti-vaxxer and the Australian government has banned non-vaccinated people from entering their country. So, he and his supporters find a way to get him into the country under false pretenses and he is caught.
Hope they throw him out on Monday.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/07/djokovic-saga-victoria-didnt-get-federal-visa-advice/
Maybe Djokovic has read this.
that would make more sense if it was presented alongside how many athletes collapses with heart issues in 2019.
It wouldn't surprise me if athletes have a vulnerability to vaccine side effects including myocarditis. You can see the problem for governments though. Why should Djokovic be given an exemption to the border rules and other people denied.
Long covid is clearly a thing that concerns you personally, so why do you think athletes should ignore this?
why did you read my post and thought I was saying athletes should ignore this? Honestly, how did you even get to that? I said,
as an aside, M.E. in athletes is a thing too https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15438629609512057
In 2019,an estimated 98 Italian athletes suffered sudden cardiac deaths. Nearly 40% were under 35. But cardiac hypertrophy, hearts muscled up by over training making them susceptible to electrical disorders, has long been a problem in the sporting world.
Hmm. You think that may feed into the apparent phenomena of fitness freaks (ie – the serious muscle tone crowd) doing 'less than well' when hit with covid?
Athletic heart syndrome is an over-training issue, not fitness/muscularity. Any more than about five hours of high intensity exertion a week and you're asking for trouble. And as with any over-muscled body part, athletic heart syndrome causes a loss of flexibility and the heart stiffens and loses efficiency.
So it's hardly surprising that when Covid, which, as is becoming apparent fucks with the renin-angiotensin system, comes along it induces all sorts of cardio-vascular shenanigans to a stiff, inefficient organ that's already likely to go bad.
"Any more than about five hours of high intensity exertion a week and you're asking for trouble."
Surely every professional sports person (rugby, league, football etc) would be doing more than 5 hours high intensity training (not to mention the actual events)?
Time spent at a target percentage of an age related maximum heart rate.
is an over-training issue
That was kinda my point/query.
That report has Chris Cairns on the list, yet I have not read that his dissected aorta was related to the vaccine.
I suspect the list includes athletes who may be suffering from the Long Q syndrome and this predates the Covid vaccines.
https://www.cidg.org.nz/patients-families/cardiac-inherited-diseases/long-qt-syndrome-lqts/
Covering about 1:2000 it is more common in males than females and sometimes does not manifest before the person collapses and dies.
The list seems to include 'all causes' intentionally. It's the sudden increase that needs an explanation.
The YourNews.com article linked says this:
GoodSciencing.com (not goodlysciencing.com apparently) has this as their banner head:
And their about us:
Not exactly what I'd call a particularly compelling source.
(in fact wordfence seemingly prevented me from linking directly to the goodsciencing.com site)
Here's something to think about. You cannot rule out the possibility that there is a real and important signal here. I don't care what probability you allocate to it – it isn't zero. Yet the reflexive response is to tell us 'nothing to see here'.
Sure you might get away with this strategy most of the time, but it ensures you'll miss all the black swan events.
Black swans must be missed by their very nature…otherwise they are not black swans
“It cannot be predicted beforehand, though after the fact, many falsely claim it should have been predictable”
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blackswan.asp
Which doesn't mean they don't happen and can be safely ignored when you hear their honking in the distance.
Honking?….lol
"….many falsely claim it should have been predictable”
Well here is an example of how the signal was not seen until years later. Nobody predicted it, yet it was only discovered by paying attemtion to the signal:
Red …its is an incorrect analogy….. just concede the fact and move on…its not the end of the world.
It's precisely the correct analogy – I'm not predicting anything in the future here. I'm pointing to a possible signal that has already happened.
I'd get that seen to
I like to run media sources I have not heard of through Media Bias Fact Check……
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
It says this about 'Your News.
'A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence … Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. …
Going on to say……..
Questionable Reasoning: Propaganda, Poor Sourcing, Misleading, Lack of Transparency
Bias Rating: RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA (44/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
History
YourNews is an anonymously published conservative news curation/aggregation/citizen journalist website. The website lacks transparency as they do not provide an about page or name editors/owners. Through a search, we determined that Sam Anthony was the founder of the website. The domain is registered in Florida, USA.
I suspect they may have aggregated a search with 'sports people + heart disease' and voila the heart disease is from the vaccination!
So you choose to attack the source rather than address the data. Are you implying then that these deaths are all fabricated?
No, of course not. I like to know if I am dealing with bona fide people or just nutters with a view.
I have addressed the data above by querying why Chris Cairns is on the list as affected by the covid vaccine and positing that some athletes may be affected by Long Q that was around long before Covid and vaccines.
The list seems to be 'all cause' – which is a crude measure of 'excess deaths' for this group of people and a legitimate method used to remove categorising errors.
The question it poses is – what has caused the apparent increase? Is there a real signal here?
lol – you might want to look into the provenance of that Media Bias Fact Check org you're relying on 🙂
So, Covid has been selecting athletes to do its dirty work. How clever of it.
Have no knowledge of “Your News” but having read the first few paragraphs I venture to suggest it is a highly suspect outfit indeed.
On a par with the Slater gang maybe?
Aha! Submitted my brief quote above before seeing Shanreagh @ 2.1.3
So I was right. Its a rwnj outfit prone to fake conclusions and lies run by anonymous individuals posing as journalists?
Sounds about right to me.
You do realise that sports players are these high levels are typically tested for COVID all the time? And are not allowed to compete if they have it.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2022/01/tennis-international-row-brewing-over-whether-novak-djokovic-should-be-kicked-out-of-australia.html
He has other questionable views, see above. 'Djokovic is dubbed 'Novax' Djokovic for his theories and actions about vaccines, but he also holds other scientifically questionable views – including that people can magically alter water quality with their minds.
"Through the power of gratitude they managed to turn the most toxic food or the most polluted water into the most healing water," Djokovic said in an interview.
He came under fire in 2020 for spreading COVID at a tournament he organised, where there had been parties and a lack of distancing'.
He does not seem to have garnered much support from his fellow tennis players with Rafael Nadal
'I think if he wanted, he would be playing here in Australia without a problem," Nadal said. "He made his own decisions, and everybody is free to take their own decisions, but then there are some consequences.'
Boris Becker had this to say
'Novak Djokovic is making a "big mistake" if he doesn't get vaccinated against Covid-19, says the world No 1's former coach Boris Becker'.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/300491868/novak-djokovic-making-big-mistake-by-not-getting-covid19-vaccine-says-boris-becker
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https://www.thesouljam.com/post/the-magical-power-of-water-will-blow-your-mind
Pics of water frozen into crystals that differ according to which music has been played to it..
Fortunately, one emanating from Barry Manilow isn't included (shudder)..
Nothing quite like a little middle age superstition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spilling_water_for_luck
No doubting Djokovic's atypical ability as a tennis player – maybe it’s not too great a leap to suppose that he possesses other atypical skills and behaviours.
‘Bending’ rules designed to protect public health during a pandemic is not ideal, imho, nor does any expectation of exceptional treatment sit well with me.
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Anne (2) … another overinflated, egotistical .. do you know who I am .. with a massive sense of self entitlement s…t!
He's the Menace of Tennis.
Being a dickovic!!
if you don't report it, then does it happen?
And of course men need to be included in the count of femicide, lest they feel left out. And if no men has been murdered in an act of femicide and thus is not included in the count of actual dead Non Males that litter the country side with their dead bodies then that must be because of transphobia.
https://4w.pub/feminist-collective-suspends-reporting-on-femicides-due-to-claims-of-transphobia/
Question…is it femicide if a female murders a female?
I would say so, all femicide is is murder of women. so yes, it should not matter.
But have you got a question in regards to the men who are butt hurt that they are not included in the list of dead Not Men?
thanks for clarifying that…..its hard to keep up.
Have I question about men who are "butt hurt"(? )that are not included in the list of "dead not men"….I may have if I knew what that meant.
You must have missed that part earlier before you got busy asking about Non males killing non males to deflect of the fact that domestic violence is something that kills non males at the hand of males more often then not, and the absurdity of males damanding to be included in the list of dead non males because they have a feels of a women. . As you were, as you were.
I will confess I hadnt read up thread….it was an instinctive question re femicide….and as to the and "the absurdity of males damanding to be included in the list of dead non males because they have a feels of a women."…I think that speaks for itself.
And why I should have continued to avoid the absurdity as i have done to date.
Lol.
Want to know now if the idea is to count trans women as women not trans women.
they want to be counted as 'female', women is no longer enough.
“………………… until they can find a source which is more inclusive, and recognizes trans-identified males as victims of femicide
Satire – but close to the truth:
Ted yesterday –
"We are approaching a solemn anniversary this week," Cruz said. "And it is an anniversary of a violent terrorist attack on the Capitol, where we saw the men and women of law enforcement demonstrate incredible courage, incredible bravery, risk their lives to defend the men and women who served in this Capitol.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ted-cruz-calling-jan-6-a-violent-terrorist-attack-leaves-trump-supporters-outraged/ar-AASuxB5?
Ted today – I didn't really mean it and to prove it, here's me grovelling..
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1479272140625092614
..and he's cancelled.
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1479285410165661696
I'm disappointed in Cruz. I thought in his follow-up he would have said, should have said, words to the effect: "It is an anniversary of an ordinary tourist excursion in the Capitol, where we saw the men and women of the Republican Party demonstrate incredible courage, incredible bravery and risked their lives in adding to the day.
In their effort to make it as exciting as possible for the visitors, instead of staying to welcome them, they ran and hid. There was a great hubbub to set a tone of excitement and acknowledgement needs to go to my colleagues for entering into the spirit of things."
We could have fun with this along the lines of the spoofs along the lines of Bulwer Lytton's "It was a dark and stormy night….. '
Here is the original text…….back later. Gathering firewood.
We are approaching a solemn anniversary this week," Cruz said. "And it is an anniversary of a violent terrorist attack on the Capitol, where we saw the men and women of law enforcement demonstrate incredible courage, incredible bravery, risk their lives to defend the men and women who served in this Capitol.