A 17 year old school boy makes a submission to the Select Committee on the Conversion Practices Bill. Watch Ginny Andersons response. Its really disgusting she talked to a young man like that who took the trouble to exercise his deomocratic right to voice his opionion.
BTW I think this young lads intepretation of the legislation is correct and so do the majoirty of submitters.
That website is so dodgy it doesn't even have an "about" page but if you go to the Family First site it is clear it is theirs. Not surprised at you reading and spreading propaganda for the religeous right though.
I took the meaning that often the sources we turn to in order to find support for our positions indicate just as much about us as they do the quality of our position.
I saw this clip on the parliament website. Once viewed it is often hard to get the clip back. So I just googled it. I wasn't even aware that it was Family First, cause I am not assoicated with them.
But I do belive that everyone has a deomcratic right to express their views, even ones I don't agree with. There was an elderly Christian gent presenting and I didn't agree with his views, but again one of the Labour women was incredibly rude.
It is a recording of a zoom submission from Parliament. But I agree it is dodgy from the point of view of how disgracefully citizens are being treated when exercising their democratic right.
Ginny Anderson's reponse is patronizig and unacceptable. They are there to hear all views, listen respectfully and ask questions, even challenging ones.
This was one of the rudest responses to a young man who is still. technically a child exercising his democratic right.
I saw this clip on the parliament website. Once viewed it is often hard to get the clip back. So I just googled it. I wasn't even aware that it was Family First, cause I am not assoicated with them.
But I do belive that everyone has a deomcratic right to express their views, even ones I don't agree with. There was an elderly Christian gent presenting and I didn't agree with his views, but again one of the Labour women was incredibly rude.
I care about how that young man was treated, but an elected representative.
I care about the young women who are obtaining and using breast binders which cause harm.
I care about the kids put on puberty blockers, then cross sex hormones befor they are old enough to truly understand what their decision means . Recent article with two top surgeons in trans gender care, both transgender women. Now having doubts about all this. I care that kids on these drugs can and very often do end up infertile and unable to experience sexual pleasure. I care about all the kids who are detransitioners who have irreversible damage to their young bodies.
Do I care that you have associated me with Family First and think I should have researched that that was their clip. Not so much
If I thought that Solkta I would have said it, ie people sexuallity can be changed with therapy., I am big on a good evidence base for therapy and there is no evidence at all the sexual orientation can be changed.
for the record I don't know what's on family firsts website
Ginny Anderson's reponse is patronizig and unacceptable.
Wrong. It was polite and respectful. If the young man was "coming at it from the wrong angle" then she had a duty to point it out to him as nicely as possible which she did. Anyway he spoke for too long so there was no time to ask questions and expand on his submission.
Can't Daily Review at the least be exempted from this gender-wars topic? It is getting very boring. I thought DR was more for topical, in the news items that have arisen during the day.
I think we must have watched different clips then Anne. I thought it was very rude.
If this young man has the wrong end of the stick, then so do most of the other submitters. I think the Bill is very unclear. Have you read the RIS?
I think its intention is that any parent, religious person or professinal counsellor (because they are not accredited under the Health Practitioners Act) potelnitally can have a complaint to the police man about them, which could result in a criminal charge, even prison. I think that people supporting this bill and the possible purpose of this Bill is that unless young people are offered affirmative care, they see it as an attempt to suppress or changed their gender identity. The Counting Ourselves survey reported that around 17% of trans people had experienced a conversion practice from a professional counsellor, Dr Psychologist. I think their definitiion of conversion is not being affirmed. I think I will post a blog piece by a gay male therapist which says in his opinion Rainbow Youth are failing their young people. Its very well writtien and for the record he is not Christian or connected with Family First.
Tend to agree with the patronizing part… we need more young people that are engaged enough in our political system to appear like that. I feel Ginny could have made a far better fist of disagreeing with his interpretation of the bill.
Came across as Im the grown up and you're wrong silly boy.
Bit like the response to Rex posted the other day in that it was disrespectful. You can disagree and at least maintain some decorum and treat submitters with respect.
I have to say that I watched the video looking for disrespect. I saw none. I saw a young man reading from a prepared script, at times poorly which made me wonder whether he had written it. When he finished he was told that MP Anderson disagreed with his interpretation, saying he had misunderstood the bill and therefore needed to read the bill again.
What the actual argument is over I truly have no opinion on, apart from a desire to see fair play for all.
I have been following the debate in a fashion, but have not gone outside what I have read on The Standard.
I am still none the wiser. But I have read a lot of mixed feelings from commenters.
Again I say I have no position on this issue, yet. I would appreciate a dispassionate direction as to the issue here. Can a Standard author write such a post, or direct me to something that explains the issues to a 72 year old, usually tolerant and liberal in opinions?
But I need more than a direction to a video accusing an MP of behaviour that I could not discover…….
I saw none. I saw a young man reading from a prepared script, at times poorly which made me wonder whether he had written it.
They were my thoughts too. And if we are correct mac1 then it would explain his inability to reply to the MP's response because he hadn't written it in the first place. 🙂
Agreed Mac1, Anne and others.I thought Ginny was OK. I wouldn't mind being spoken to as Blake was. Time limitations and pleased that Blake was willing to have a go.
It's a link to a video of a presentation to a SC. Nothing to doubt about it's veracity, so the source is not "fair game" or reason to impugn the poster.
Oh FFS I think I explained I saw the clip on Parliament website. Its hard to back track and watch a whole lot of presentations to find the one you want to review. I remember the boys name so I googled it. Thats what came up. End of.
As I said Solkta I don't care to much about that. I care about the other things I listed
it's a NZ government SC video on youtube. As Anker points out, it's hard to find the SC videos later, but often other people have put them up independently.
Is there a connection other than that between FF and the submitter?
We must have already forgotten that SUFW actually had to go to court to hold some speeches. OH, but that was un-speak, un-desirable speak, un-consented speak, un-censored speak, and we can't have that.
It can't be that people really do have some issues with this bill, right? They must be of the far right, mis-informed, phobic of this and that, and just super extremist religious, and coached to the hilt. Right?
Majority of submitters does not speak to credibility, just to the effectiveness of organised campaigns.
Maybe the majority of submitters do speak very credibly about the overall shittyness of said bill and its potential pitfalls, and that very little of that had anything to do with any organised campaigns, considering that the only group that organised anything had to go to court to be allowed to do tho and was labeled a 'hate group'.
You think only one group organised against the legislation? Look up the DR to see another group mentioned. There will have been others.
My comments referred to two fallacies occurring in the debate
one that having a majority of submissions makes a position more credible
and the relevance of the source of a link to the issue being discussed (one can note the irony of disparate groups on the same side of an issue but this does not speak to merit).
This is the Labour Party today, if not rude to women's rights women, now dismissing young people who do not toe the Labour line. As to your comment about FF they published the video, the young man is not a Christian. Labour has treated submitters rudely for days now. Even if Blake were, a god forbid, Christian, he still has the right to. be heard fairly.
Again what nonsense. If submitters turn up and argue incorrectly or mistakenly on what a bill is about and why, they need to expect that those people who actually understand the bill will point that out to them.
Well Nordy have you read the Bill? The RIS? because I think you are incorrect. Most of the submitters against the Bill have some very real concerns.
Someone I know is a counsellor and he realizes he could be criminalized under this bill for offering explortary therapy rather than the affirmative model.
Nordy and McFlock/. I invite you both to read this blog piece by a gay male counsellor about how we are failing our Rainbow Youth. In the blog piece Paul mentions affirmative therapy. This is when a persons gender identity is automatically affirmed.
As I wrote before a significant number of young people in counting ourselves believed they had received a conversion practice from health professionals.
Why my friend may have several outs I can assure you that no counsellor wants to face the threat of criminal proceedings. I think it is unfair that counsellors would be covered by this act at all. They have professional bodies who people can make complaints to if they are unhappy with their treatment.
Link to Paul Letham's post about his experience of being abruptly – and unprofessionally released from his counselling role at Rainbow Youth NZ after a decade of association.
As long as they can tick one of the boxes, there isn't a problem.
If they genuinely haven't kept up with proposed regulatory changes relating to their profession, they're possibly not very good. Or do we expect more of pub bouncers than we do of people entrusted to treat children who have complex emotional or psychological needs?
McFlock just to clarify, The New Zealand Counsellors Association is an organisation (NZAC) chose not to become acredited under the Health Practitioners Act. They still have rigourous registration process, high ethical standards and on-going professional development requirements to the highest standards. So the organisation choosing not to go through the acreditation process is nothing to do with the quality of their practitioners. You comment about expecting more of pub bouncers, shows a lack of understanding of what acreditation means. It is a little bit of a slur on cournsellors a very valuable and scarce resource with the mental health issues we have. If you want to see the quality read the link that Molly posted by a gay counsellor who works in the Rainbow space and believes we are failing our Rainbow youth. It makes sobering reading.
Many psychotherapists regret becoming accredited because it is a costly process and adds very little to what they do.
I made no comment about them as "health practitioners".
As an individual, if someone is working with serious and life-altering issues of any type, they need to know the extent of their legal obligations and responsibilities. I was expected to know that on the door.
Even as a non-HP, there may be a variety of mandatory reporting and confidentiality issues that make the fairly concise and plain-language aspects of the proposed ban on conversion therapy quite trivial.
And beyond any individual awareness of their legal obligations and liabilities, this is the exact sort of thing their professional bodies should be submitting on and providing information to their members about.
The fact that your counsellor friend is worried possibly means they haven't bothered reading the bill (and reflecting upon how that might affect their actual practise) or asking their professional body for guidance.
Or they have matched the bill against their practise, and discovered that their practise can be reasonably interpreted as "performed with the intention of changing or suppressing the individual’s sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression", and that they cannot reasonably argue that their practise is
(c) assisting an individual to express their gender identity; or
(d) providing acceptance, support, or understanding of an individual; or
(e) facilitating an individual’s coping skills, development, or identity exploration, or facilitating social support for the individual;
Are they intending to change anyone's sexual orientation? No? No problem then.
thanks for being the first person to link to the Bill, so that we don't have to go round and round in people's reckons and we can reference what the law is actually intended to say.
Section 4 of the proposed legislation before the SC.
In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires,—
conversion practice has the meaning given to it in section 5
health practitioner has the same meaning as in section 5(1) of the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act 2003
health service has the same meaning as in section 5(1) of the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act 2003
scope of practice has the same meaning as in section 5(1) of the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act 2003
serious harm, in relation to an individual, means any physical, psychological, or emotional harm that seriously and detrimentally affects the health, safety, or welfare of the individual.
Having concerns is not the same as actually knowing or understanding the Bill.
Finally, if the counsellor you know is actually at risk of being criminalised under the provisions under the bill, then they need to take a long hard look at what they doing, as their actions are clearly not acceptable.
Do you not realize that some people will think anything other than automatic affirmation is a form of conversion practice?
Ask yourself this. If you were a counsellor and it was possible you could face the threat of a criminal prosecution when working with a group of people would you still work with them? I wouldn't. I would work with other clients where if Ithere is a complaint made, then it goes to my professional body. Not the police.
"they need to expect that those people who actually understand the bill will point that out to them"
Do they? I thought this was an information gathering process. I thought presenting submissions was to be heard, not to be debated or dismissed in the hearing. I imagined that debate about a submission would occur in committee discussions. I would have thought the MPs job (no matter how infuriating or boring) in this process was to listen and take note.
That's what I would expect, if I was ever courageous enough to make an in-person submission. What a way to put people off oral submissions, to be belittled in public. I've never thought that is how democracy works.
If submitters don't understand the bill, surely that's something to be noted in terms of wording and content. It's valuable information in terms of getting a bill right.
Note: I'm not commenting on the content or quality of that submission here, just the process.
Good points miravox,sad too see the fragmented left at it again,this is Daily review isn't it as Open mike we can cover what ever,if some are not interested 'just go past it',simple as that.Their are plenty on the right of politics that will slap down the left,lets stop doing it to ourselfs,please.
“TERRIBLE LYING BY PFIZER
Sir Bob Jones October 6, 2021
Pfizer claim they waited six weeks despite their urging, for New Zealand Government officials to actually meet with them and discuss vaccine supplies last year.
That is a disgraceful slur. Surely they know we were actually at the head of the queue for vaccines, as then Health Minister Hipkins, not once but twice told the nation last year.
Hipkins explained that they were then at that juncture, looking over 40 different suppliers/vaccines and I think from memory a 56 page proposal from Pfizer…. that would not be an instant decision.
Pfizer claim they waited six weeks despite their urging, for New Zealand Government officials to actually meet with them and discuss vaccine supplies last year.
Notice what Sir Bob did there? He indicated that the discussion in around May 2020 was about 'supplies'. It can't have been about supplies because the Pfizer vaccine wasn't in commercial production at that time, probably wasn't approved for use anywhere, and I'd assume was still fairly early in its clinical trials. Any discussion would have been in the realm of technical pre-sales – Pfizer making sure that they stayed on any vaccine candidate shortlist the NZ government might be developing.
There is only one person being dishonest here – and I think it's the property speculator. Which would not be unexpected.
I enjoy the occasional read of Sir Bob's blog. Mainly for the sycophantic commenters.
Sir Bob's not one to worry about letting the facts get in the way of a good satire – or a good story.
On one of his frequent anti-"Māori wonderfulness" rants he dashed off a bit of Māori history, including that Kupe fished up the North Island. It was Maui who fished up the North Island, not Kupe – hence the Māori name Te-Ika-a-Maui.
It's hard to tell where he's taking the piss & where he's possibly being serious sometimes.
Is anyone interested in a film club? The Social Dilemma is free to view for October. We could set up a timeframe eg a week, for people to watch, and then on the weekend I put up a post and we get to talk about the film.
yes. I think there are quite a number of people who are going to be disappointed next year. We really should be teaching people how to manage chronic stress at this point, including fear and uncertainty.
The summary I think has an important message for everyone… " even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humilty and respect… Stigmatzing populations can do more harm than good…" those aee messages some commenters here would do well to take onboard.
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The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
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The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
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The Government must commit to the Maitai School building project for students with high and complex needs, to ensure disabled students from the top of the South Island have somewhere to learn. ...
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Māori are yet to see anything from this Government except cuts, reversals and taking our people backwards, Māori Development spokesperson Willie Jackson said. ...
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Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
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Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
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Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
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Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner. The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel. “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says. "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board. “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti. “I have asked her to ...
The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...
New Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States. “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...
New Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...
April 11, 2024 Joint Declaration by United States Secretary of State the Honorable Antony J. Blinken and New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs the Right Honourable Winston Peters We met today in Washington, D.C. to recommit to the historic partnership between our two countries and the principles that underpin it—rule ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced further New Zealand cooperation with the United States in the Pacific Islands region through $16.4 million in funding for initiatives in digital connectivity and oceans and fisheries research. “New Zealand can achieve more in the Pacific if we work together more urgently and ...
Kia Ora Gaza A passionate haka reverberated through Auckland International Airport as a medical team of three New Zealand doctors received an emotional farewell from a big crowd of supporters before flying to Turkey to join the international Freedom Flotilla to Gaza. The doctors, who left Auckland yesterday, hope to ...
With submissions closing today, Macassey-Pickard says groups around the country have been supporting a huge range of people to make their submissions. ...
Our response to the new legislation is informed by targeted conversations with practitioners working in the system and through an implementation lens. ...
The new ‘Fast-track Approvals Bill’ would give just three Ministers the power to approve or deny development projects. They would avoid the usual checks and balances that are in place to protect rivers, land, the ocean, and communities. ...
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The government's released the list of organisations provided with information on how to apply - just hours before public submissions on the bill close. ...
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The Mental Health Foundation provides support and resources for those facing the loss of their job, so it’s wrong in the very week the Government adds another 1000 jobs to its tally of cuts, that this is happening. ...
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A 17 year old school boy makes a submission to the Select Committee on the Conversion Practices Bill. Watch Ginny Andersons response. Its really disgusting she talked to a young man like that who took the trouble to exercise his deomocratic right to voice his opionion.
BTW I think this young lads intepretation of the legislation is correct and so do the majoirty of submitters.
That website is so dodgy it doesn't even have an "about" page but if you go to the Family First site it is clear it is theirs. Not surprised at you reading and spreading propaganda for the religeous right though.
You seem to be implying only some faction of a polity have a right to voice an opinion.
I didn't get that.
I took the meaning that often the sources we turn to in order to find support for our positions indicate just as much about us as they do the quality of our position.
I saw this clip on the parliament website. Once viewed it is often hard to get the clip back. So I just googled it. I wasn't even aware that it was Family First, cause I am not assoicated with them.
But I do belive that everyone has a deomcratic right to express their views, even ones I don't agree with. There was an elderly Christian gent presenting and I didn't agree with his views, but again one of the Labour women was incredibly rude.
You don't need to be associated with someone to see the name of their youtube channel.
So now youtube is going to suggest more FF videos at anyone who clicks the link. Thanks for that.
It is a recording of a zoom submission from Parliament. But I agree it is dodgy from the point of view of how disgracefully citizens are being treated when exercising their democratic right.
Ginny Anderson's reponse is patronizig and unacceptable. They are there to hear all views, listen respectfully and ask questions, even challenging ones.
This was one of the rudest responses to a young man who is still. technically a child exercising his democratic right.
So are you happy to promote Family First?
Yes the response was patronising, but not incorrect.
I saw this clip on the parliament website. Once viewed it is often hard to get the clip back. So I just googled it. I wasn't even aware that it was Family First, cause I am not assoicated with them.
But I do belive that everyone has a deomcratic right to express their views, even ones I don't agree with. There was an elderly Christian gent presenting and I didn't agree with his views, but again one of the Labour women was incredibly rude.
You were not aware who the site was because you didn't bother to find out, i guess because you don't care.
I care about how that young man was treated, but an elected representative.
I care about the young women who are obtaining and using breast binders which cause harm.
I care about the kids put on puberty blockers, then cross sex hormones befor they are old enough to truly understand what their decision means . Recent article with two top surgeons in trans gender care, both transgender women. Now having doubts about all this. I care that kids on these drugs can and very often do end up infertile and unable to experience sexual pleasure. I care about all the kids who are detransitioners who have irreversible damage to their young bodies.
Do I care that you have associated me with Family First and think I should have researched that that was their clip. Not so much
Did you check out Leah the "ex-lesbian" on that site? Are you happy to promote the idea that people's sexuality can be "corrected" with "therapy"?
See my answer to McFlock Solkta. I saw the clip on the Parliament weibsite and googled it. It came up with the Family First thing.
I have my own views. I think they are clear to most here. I am a gender critical feminist. I disagree with a lot of the gender ideology. That's it.
If I thought that Solkta I would have said it, ie people sexuallity can be changed with therapy., I am big on a good evidence base for therapy and there is no evidence at all the sexual orientation can be changed.
for the record I don't know what's on family firsts website
Solkta ,,,why are you attacking the person and not addressing the message.
What nonsense. She simply disagreed with his assertions and pointed out quite correctly that he misunderstood the bill.
Ginny Anderson's reponse is patronizig and unacceptable.
Wrong. It was polite and respectful. If the young man was "coming at it from the wrong angle" then she had a duty to point it out to him as nicely as possible which she did. Anyway he spoke for too long so there was no time to ask questions and expand on his submission.
Can't Daily Review at the least be exempted from this gender-wars topic? It is getting very boring. I thought DR was more for topical, in the news items that have arisen during the day.
I think we must have watched different clips then Anne. I thought it was very rude.
If this young man has the wrong end of the stick, then so do most of the other submitters. I think the Bill is very unclear. Have you read the RIS?
I think its intention is that any parent, religious person or professinal counsellor (because they are not accredited under the Health Practitioners Act) potelnitally can have a complaint to the police man about them, which could result in a criminal charge, even prison. I think that people supporting this bill and the possible purpose of this Bill is that unless young people are offered affirmative care, they see it as an attempt to suppress or changed their gender identity. The Counting Ourselves survey reported that around 17% of trans people had experienced a conversion practice from a professional counsellor, Dr Psychologist. I think their definitiion of conversion is not being affirmed. I think I will post a blog piece by a gay male therapist which says in his opinion Rainbow Youth are failing their young people. Its very well writtien and for the record he is not Christian or connected with Family First.
Tend to agree with the patronizing part… we need more young people that are engaged enough in our political system to appear like that. I feel Ginny could have made a far better fist of disagreeing with his interpretation of the bill.
Came across as Im the grown up and you're wrong silly boy.
Bit like the response to Rex posted the other day in that it was disrespectful. You can disagree and at least maintain some decorum and treat submitters with respect.
I have to say that I watched the video looking for disrespect. I saw none. I saw a young man reading from a prepared script, at times poorly which made me wonder whether he had written it. When he finished he was told that MP Anderson disagreed with his interpretation, saying he had misunderstood the bill and therefore needed to read the bill again.
What the actual argument is over I truly have no opinion on, apart from a desire to see fair play for all.
I have been following the debate in a fashion, but have not gone outside what I have read on The Standard.
I am still none the wiser. But I have read a lot of mixed feelings from commenters.
Again I say I have no position on this issue, yet. I would appreciate a dispassionate direction as to the issue here. Can a Standard author write such a post, or direct me to something that explains the issues to a 72 year old, usually tolerant and liberal in opinions?
But I need more than a direction to a video accusing an MP of behaviour that I could not discover…….
They were my thoughts too. And if we are correct mac1 then it would explain his inability to reply to the MP's response because he hadn't written it in the first place. 🙂
Agreed Mac1, Anne and others.I thought Ginny was OK. I wouldn't mind being spoken to as Blake was. Time limitations and pleased that Blake was willing to have a go.
So scroll right on by
It's a link to a video of a presentation to a SC. Nothing to doubt about it's veracity, so the source is not "fair game" or reason to impugn the poster.
She is still sharing a link to a religeous right website and not caring about any fallout. A strange action for a feminist.
and you're running a derail rather than addressing the issues raised /shrug.
Religious right wing sites are now probably linking to sites of feminists despite their patriarchy promise keeper bent …
It's not the first time, moral conservatives and feminists – prohibition and pornography.
Oh FFS I think I explained I saw the clip on Parliament website. Its hard to back track and watch a whole lot of presentations to find the one you want to review. I remember the boys name so I googled it. Thats what came up. End of.
As I said Solkta I don't care to much about that. I care about the other things I listed
FFS indeed … I hope you considered context better than you did reading my post when looking at the proposed legislation.
spc. where is your evidence/?
Breathe.
so the clip with a stamp of House of Representative dodgy, or just the host of the video clip?
it's a NZ government SC video on youtube. As Anker points out, it's hard to find the SC videos later, but often other people have put them up independently.
Is there a connection other than that between FF and the submitter?
this young man made it clear he is not a Christian. So doubt their is.
maybe you like this host better? It is still the same clip, same content, all the stuff you don't want to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3eInI8r0mw
and that is the host of the clip from the submission, maybe this person will satisify your purity level?
https://au.linkedin.com/in/ckarena
As i said, the response was patronising, but not incorrect.
Majority of submitters does not speak to credibility, just to the effectiveness of organised campaigns.
We must have already forgotten that SUFW actually had to go to court to hold some speeches. OH, but that was un-speak, un-desirable speak, un-consented speak, un-censored speak, and we can't have that.
It can't be that people really do have some issues with this bill, right? They must be of the far right, mis-informed, phobic of this and that, and just super extremist religious, and coached to the hilt. Right?
Oh my, the future is going to be so entertaining.
What did any of that have to do with my post?
Maybe the majority of submitters do speak very credibly about the overall shittyness of said bill and its potential pitfalls, and that very little of that had anything to do with any organised campaigns, considering that the only group that organised anything had to go to court to be allowed to do tho and was labeled a 'hate group'.
But then, what was you sayin?
You think only one group organised against the legislation? Look up the DR to see another group mentioned. There will have been others.
My comments referred to two fallacies occurring in the debate
Do you have any idea if SUFW has any position/submission on this issue (after the earlier one on BDMRR)?
The Public Service Act was a prime example of that – so many anti-Maori submissions…
She thought he had the wrong end of the stick and she told him that. I guess the best thing would have been for her to have said nothing.
I agree Pete. I think it would have been more appropriate just to thank this lad for taking the time to submit.
BTW most submitters have similar concerns to Blake
This is the Labour Party today, if not rude to women's rights women, now dismissing young people who do not toe the Labour line. As to your comment about FF they published the video, the young man is not a Christian. Labour has treated submitters rudely for days now. Even if Blake were, a god forbid, Christian, he still has the right to. be heard fairly.
Again what nonsense. If submitters turn up and argue incorrectly or mistakenly on what a bill is about and why, they need to expect that those people who actually understand the bill will point that out to them.
Well Nordy have you read the Bill? The RIS? because I think you are incorrect. Most of the submitters against the Bill have some very real concerns.
Someone I know is a counsellor and he realizes he could be criminalized under this bill for offering explortary therapy rather than the affirmative model.
Well, no:
Your friend has several outs for genuine therapy or even just non-healthcare-based listening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyzOL2BXTMQ
Nordy and McFlock/. I invite you both to read this blog piece by a gay male counsellor about how we are failing our Rainbow Youth. In the blog piece Paul mentions affirmative therapy. This is when a persons gender identity is automatically affirmed.
As I wrote before a significant number of young people in counting ourselves believed they had received a conversion practice from health professionals.
Why my friend may have several outs I can assure you that no counsellor wants to face the threat of criminal proceedings. I think it is unfair that counsellors would be covered by this act at all. They have professional bodies who people can make complaints to if they are unhappy with their treatment.
did you mean to link to something else?
Link to Paul Letham's post about his experience of being abruptly – and unprofessionally released from his counselling role at Rainbow Youth NZ after a decade of association.
Of interest is the discussion in the comments regarding NZ stats.
McFlock counsellors are not counted as health practitioners because they are not accredited under the act.
"Or" is a wonderful word in any legislation.
As long as they can tick one of the boxes, there isn't a problem.
If they genuinely haven't kept up with proposed regulatory changes relating to their profession, they're possibly not very good. Or do we expect more of pub bouncers than we do of people entrusted to treat children who have complex emotional or psychological needs?
McFlock just to clarify, The New Zealand Counsellors Association is an organisation (NZAC) chose not to become acredited under the Health Practitioners Act. They still have rigourous registration process, high ethical standards and on-going professional development requirements to the highest standards. So the organisation choosing not to go through the acreditation process is nothing to do with the quality of their practitioners. You comment about expecting more of pub bouncers, shows a lack of understanding of what acreditation means. It is a little bit of a slur on cournsellors a very valuable and scarce resource with the mental health issues we have. If you want to see the quality read the link that Molly posted by a gay counsellor who works in the Rainbow space and believes we are failing our Rainbow youth. It makes sobering reading.
Many psychotherapists regret becoming accredited because it is a costly process and adds very little to what they do.
I made no comment about them as "health practitioners".
As an individual, if someone is working with serious and life-altering issues of any type, they need to know the extent of their legal obligations and responsibilities. I was expected to know that on the door.
Even as a non-HP, there may be a variety of mandatory reporting and confidentiality issues that make the fairly concise and plain-language aspects of the proposed ban on conversion therapy quite trivial.
And beyond any individual awareness of their legal obligations and liabilities, this is the exact sort of thing their professional bodies should be submitting on and providing information to their members about.
The fact that your counsellor friend is worried possibly means they haven't bothered reading the bill (and reflecting upon how that might affect their actual practise) or asking their professional body for guidance.
Or they have matched the bill against their practise, and discovered that their practise can be reasonably interpreted as "performed with the intention of changing or suppressing the individual’s sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender expression", and that they cannot reasonably argue that their practise is
Are they intending to change anyone's sexual orientation? No? No problem then.
thanks for being the first person to link to the Bill, so that we don't have to go round and round in people's reckons and we can reference what the law is actually intended to say.
gotta practise what I preach, lol
I am not sure about the reference to Section 5(1) of the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act 2003
as to the definition of medical practitioner.
Section 5(1) was repealed, on 12 April 2019, by section 4 of the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Amendment Act 2019 (2019 No 11).
https://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2019/0011/latest/whole.html#LMS57880
Section 4 of the proposed legislation before the SC.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2021/0056/latest/LMS487211.html
"health practitioner" is still in, "medical practitioner" is out.
Yeah, this time I found the footnote at the bottom of the 2003 legislation.
Yes, I have.
Having concerns is not the same as actually knowing or understanding the Bill.
Finally, if the counsellor you know is actually at risk of being criminalised under the provisions under the bill, then they need to take a long hard look at what they doing, as their actions are clearly not acceptable.
Do you not realize that some people will think anything other than automatic affirmation is a form of conversion practice?
Ask yourself this. If you were a counsellor and it was possible you could face the threat of a criminal prosecution when working with a group of people would you still work with them? I wouldn't. I would work with other clients where if Ithere is a complaint made, then it goes to my professional body. Not the police.
Sometimes people make false complaints.
Sometimes people make false assertions about proposed legislation. That doesn't change reality.
Nordy do you mean I have made false assertions about proposed legislation.
I don't think it is possible to be clear about this legislation because we don't know how it is going to look in the end.
"they need to expect that those people who actually understand the bill will point that out to them"
Do they? I thought this was an information gathering process. I thought presenting submissions was to be heard, not to be debated or dismissed in the hearing. I imagined that debate about a submission would occur in committee discussions. I would have thought the MPs job (no matter how infuriating or boring) in this process was to listen and take note.
That's what I would expect, if I was ever courageous enough to make an in-person submission. What a way to put people off oral submissions, to be belittled in public. I've never thought that is how democracy works.
If submitters don't understand the bill, surely that's something to be noted in terms of wording and content. It's valuable information in terms of getting a bill right.
Note: I'm not commenting on the content or quality of that submission here, just the process.
Good points miravox,sad too see the fragmented left at it again,this is Daily review isn't it as Open mike we can cover what ever,if some are not interested 'just go past it',simple as that.Their are plenty on the right of politics that will slap down the left,lets stop doing it to ourselfs,please.
The thoughts of Chairman Bob…
“TERRIBLE LYING BY PFIZER
Sir Bob Jones October 6, 2021
Pfizer claim they waited six weeks despite their urging, for New Zealand Government officials to actually meet with them and discuss vaccine supplies last year.
That is a disgraceful slur. Surely they know we were actually at the head of the queue for vaccines, as then Health Minister Hipkins, not once but twice told the nation last year.
Hipkins should sue the buggers.”
Hipkins explained that they were then at that juncture, looking over 40 different suppliers/vaccines and I think from memory a 56 page proposal from Pfizer…. that would not be an instant decision.
True, given it did take a couple days to clarify as to whether or not you could use a toilet, can understand how it would take a while…
Not going to lie, I quite enjoy Sir Bobs commentary from time to time…
Notice what Sir Bob did there? He indicated that the discussion in around May 2020 was about 'supplies'. It can't have been about supplies because the Pfizer vaccine wasn't in commercial production at that time, probably wasn't approved for use anywhere, and I'd assume was still fairly early in its clinical trials. Any discussion would have been in the realm of technical pre-sales – Pfizer making sure that they stayed on any vaccine candidate shortlist the NZ government might be developing.
There is only one person being dishonest here – and I think it's the property speculator. Which would not be unexpected.
I enjoy the occasional read of Sir Bob's blog. Mainly for the sycophantic commenters.
Sir Bob's not one to worry about letting the facts get in the way of a good satire – or a good story.
On one of his frequent anti-"Māori wonderfulness" rants he dashed off a bit of Māori history, including that Kupe fished up the North Island. It was Maui who fished up the North Island, not Kupe – hence the Māori name Te-Ika-a-Maui.
It's hard to tell where he's taking the piss & where he's possibly being serious sometimes.
Yeah tbh I think some of thats a deliberate troll… he's alot of things but stupid isnt one of them.
I was going to say to link, always, for context. But turns out there is no context. Jones is being a dick, again.
https://nopunchespulled.com/2021/10/06/terrible-lying-by-pfizer/
(but yeah, always link if you are cut and pasting)
Is anyone interested in a film club? The Social Dilemma is free to view for October. We could set up a timeframe eg a week, for people to watch, and then on the weekend I put up a post and we get to talk about the film.
I am.
Interesting study… if correct we've got a very long way to go.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/
yes. I think there are quite a number of people who are going to be disappointed next year. We really should be teaching people how to manage chronic stress at this point, including fear and uncertainty.
The summary I think has an important message for everyone… " even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humilty and respect… Stigmatzing populations can do more harm than good…" those aee messages some commenters here would do well to take onboard.