Daily review 11/02/2022

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62 comments on “Daily review 11/02/2022 ”

  1. Muttonbird 1

    See what I mean? Only the best people.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300515275/live-national-party-distances-itself-from-former-mp-matt-king-who-is-travelling-to-the-protest

    It doesn't really matter if National have distanced themselves from Matt King. Matt King was considered appropriate MP material by them.

    Can't see how a person suddenly changes.

  2. pat 2

    All those advocating the towing/removal of illegally parked vehicles associated with the protest may wish to consider how those protesting are likely to vacate parliaments grounds.

    • The Al1en 2.1

      Walk to the bus stop, get on a bus to the impound yard, pay the fees to get the illegally parked vehicle back and take it from there, I s’pose.

      • pat 2.1.1

        you suppose…and leave potentially your only asset/means of transport at some location unknown?….yep that makes sense.

        • The Al1en 2.1.1.1

          Everyone's convictions have a price tag.

          • pat 2.1.1.1.1

            have yours yet?

            • swordfish 2.1.1.1.1.1

              .

              You're finding yourself face-to-face with the smug, spiteful Woke.

              Strong on fake moral superiority / weak on calm common-sense.

              and Im over tribal morons

              Yep … the echo-chamber tribalists are generally as dull as dishwater … blatant double standards (as Orwell noted way back in the 30s) … utterly predictable … no independent thought.

              • observer

                What does that really mean, beyond the slogan?

                The vehicles are parked illegally. "Common sense" means they should have sufficient warning to move them. How long is sufficient? Indefinite?

                A lot of people are unhappy because they have been treated far less leniently. It's common sense that people would feel that way, given the inconvenience and expense of having a car towed.

                I don't think the protesters need to have that inconvenience and expense … yet. By tomorrow, why not? Do they get a free pass forever?

                • pat

                  Common sense dictates that if you want people who arrived by one means are likely to depart by the same means…for gods sake use your brains

                  • observer

                    I have used my brain, and it tells me that you want the cars to be there as long as the protesters are there.

                    If that is wrong, please tell me. If you think that is a good idea, also please tell me.

                    • pat

                      I think anyone with half a brain will realise that the protesters will leave the way they came.

                    • observer

                      I think anyone with half a brain will realise that the protesters will leave the way they came.

                      Will want to, sure. So how about this?

                      Tomorrow, 9 am, announcement.

                      "If your vehicle is illegally parked, please remove it by 3 pm, or it will be towed".

                      So they would have SIX hours to walk a few metres and drive their vehicle away. Very generous, and no reason not to do it.

                  • McFlock

                    Lucky for them the bus and train stations are close by.

                    edit: I mean, most urban public transport networks are explictly designed with the objective of getting people to and from city centres as efficiently as possible. Including to national and international transport hubs servicing those urban centres.

                • fender

                  It means yet another opportunity to put to use the new favourite word

              • Muttonbird

                Get real swordfish. This family has worked very hard to get through a 1 in 100 year pandemic, doing the best for the majority.

                Tough going but we don't complain too much and recognise the difficulty of the task at hand. We're ready to put our shoulder to the wheel and do what needs to be done.

                You seem to have forgotten what that even means.

            • The Al1en 2.1.1.1.1.2

              Sure, the thought of not being able to afford a fine or the damage a criminal record could do has affected how far I've been prepared to protest. Losing a job and not being able to provide for your family will do that to some.

              • pat

                fuck the fines…they are likely never going to be collected….think transport.

                • gsays

                  "..think transport."

                  and in Jacinda's Aotearoa, housing.

                • Shanreagh

                  What? They have to pay for the ride on the bus to the yard. A towing fee, variable but limited seeing as it has been done under a direction from WCC. Say $160. Then a $40.00 WCC infringement fee on top of that.

                  If they came with others then shares to meet this cost.

                  Are you saying that people would leave the cars there at the towing yard? Why?

                  hard to see where you are coming from really.

                  If people are told tomorrow any vehicles left after 3.00pm will be towed they will have ample time to collect it, park it somewhere legally and resume the protest or cruise past the grounds and pick up the others in the party and head off home.

        • Shanreagh 2.1.1.2

          It makes perfect sense. If they go to the impounding yard and pay the fine then the car/asset is theirs.

          Once they have paid for the towage and any WCC parking fee then the car/van is theirs to take away and return home in.

          That is what mere mortals like me have had to do if their car has been towed, a couple of times from a street where there was bus lane after 4.00pm. Why would it be any different just because you car was towed from outside Parliament?

          Being sensible you would leave a couple of the group with the bags, tents etc while a couple go to the towing yard. Drive back in, collect the others and away you go.

        • mikesh 2.1.1.3

          I doubt they'd remain in parliament grounds until they die of old age, so I suppose they'd find some way of egressing before then.

      • observer 2.1.2

        Yes. After all, the signs say they don't want "separatism", a division between "them and us". They insist we should not create "two classes of people".

        So they will definitely want to be treated the same as the rest of us. Park illegally, get towed.

        No, I don’t like it either.

        • Ross 2.1.2.1

          Martin Luther King got arrested 29 times for having the temerity to disobey authority. He must have been scum.

          Did sending him to prison stop him from protesting? You can learn so much from history.

          • observer 2.1.2.1.1

            Are you still doing this? 1950s Alabama for African-Americans = 2022 New Zealand. Sure.

            It's really not a clever point, you know.

          • Shanreagh 2.1.2.1.2

            There's a saying that to quote legal history it should be 'on all fours' Your argument falls on the logic grounds as well because of false equivalence.

            The scourge of racism that was the US from the Confederate times to the mid 20 th century is neither

            1) on all fours in a legal sense

            2) not an equivalence

            I think it is shameful minimising the lives of black people under segregation to even think that there is similarity with this protest, whatever it is about. To me it as shameful as trying to run the argument, which has been done, that there is a similarity between the protestors and the Holocaust.

      • georgecom 2.1.3

        yup agree thats one option Allen. Or maybe catch a taxi or uber. Easier still I guess move your car to somewhere legal and which doesn't cause a block or nuisance before the tow truck arrives. if the army get involved towing cars, wonder if the protestors will have to make their way to Waiouru to get their car out of impound.

      • weka 2.1.4

        Things ok over your way The Al1en?

      • Jenny how to get there 2.1.5

        The Al1en

        11 February 2022 at 7:41 pm

        Walk to the bus stop, get on a bus to the impound yard, pay the fees to get the illegally parked vehicle back and take it from there, I s’pose.

        Just like everyone else has to, who has had their car towed for illegally parking.

        It happened to me at Manukau Westfield Shopping Centre car park. I thought my car had been stolen. I even phoned the police, only then did I notice a small sign on a nearby pole informing me that these particular parking spaces are reserved for office workers. I had to walk 3k in the hot sun to the towing company's impound yard in Wiri and then pay $200 to get my car back.

        In my case my offending was completely unintentional.

        These illegal parkers are doing it intentionally. Why shouldn't they have to go through what I had to?

        A totally unpleasant experience all round.

    • ianmac 2.2

      The wet might hurry them along. When a person's car is usually towed in the city drivers have to sort themselves a solution. Maybe move out before getting ticketed. Sympathy me?

      • pat 2.2.1

        I guess it depends on what outcome you want….do you wish the protesters to leave or do you want to cause them as much aggravation as you possibly can?

        • Shanreagh 2.2.1.1

          Really you are not following this are you? People have ample time to move so that the streets are free. They can leave or come back if they want, if that is agreed.

          Please do try to think of it as getting the city back to life, after a protest has been made. They have made their point. Any annoyance can be minimised by following a reasonable notice plus then 'doing' approach.

          How would you do it?

        • mary_a 2.2.1.2

          @ Pat (2.2.1) … "- do you want to cause them as much aggravation as you possibly can."

          And who's causing the aggravation here?

          I have been on a lot of protests in my long lifetime. It was drummed into me by my Socialist grandmother (a protester herself) that to help gain support and understanding for your cause, is not to be disruptive towards the general public going about their daily lives. Showing respect and consideration goes a long way. However from my knowledge of this situation, these points are severely lacking in the present protest in Parliament grounds.

    • Muttonbird 2.3

      I reckon tow them to the nearby wharves where I'm sure some room can be made. The idiots can pick their cars up from there.

      Was listening to the Police commander today and he said the reason they haven't been able to remove the vehicles and clear Molesworth St yet is that they can't get the range of tow options required to move the wide range of vehicles.

      Heather Stupidity-Allen thought she'd try it on asking if local tow firms wouldn't take the work because they sympathised with the protesters.

      The Policeman was having none of it. He said local towies had been receiving threats from the anti-vaxxers, some of these threats coming from overseas. Only the best people.

      Whether or not this ‘totally legitimate’ protest has been hijacked by scumbags as some interests claim, that is the perception, and therefore the reality.

      • pat 2.3.1

        Maybe all the 'towies' are at the protest,

        There is sweet FA difference between the self proclaimed left and right.

        • Muttonbird 2.3.1.1

          I just said the Police officer in charge had been trying to get tow truck firms to do this job and he said they were reluctant because they were small operators and were receiving threats from domestic and foreign actors.

          You parroted anti-Labour radio host Heather Stupidity-Allen which says a lot about you.

          I even spelled out her attempt to link Wellington tow truck drivers to the anti-vax movement (as if it were a natural thing for that sector), and you still ran with it.

          • pat 2.3.1.1.1

            I parroted nothing…unlike you I set my own talking points….I could (and did) provide a reason why its difficult to get towies to do a job …the police provided another….and Im over tribal morons

            • Muttonbird 2.3.1.1.1.1

              Great. Your talking point just happened to be exactly the same as one of the most dishonest right wing broadcasting jocks on 1ZB.

              Own it.

    • Nic the NZer 2.4

      In order to get out of the Molesworth park in, its going to require some order. People parked in front of the high court are not leaving any time soon, even if they are around and allowed to leave.

      Do remember a bunch of the commuters around have been angrily threatening the PM. They will probably respond reasonably to a scratch or a few new dents.

      • pat 2.4.1

        What do you want?…if you want the protesters to leave , they will leave the way they came….or not. Make it more difficult for them to go and all you do is provide another reason not to…it aint rocket science.

        • Nic the NZer 2.4.1.1

          What I want is irrelevant. There is a confused collection of vehicles up Molesworth street and only some of the owners are present to move them. Its going to take a while before the street is clear again.

          • pat 2.4.1.1.1

            Yes..it may take some time..or not much at all…it will take a lot longer if those vehicles are removed to a location not known by those that wish to use them.

            And what you want determines what you post, whether you are willing to concede such or not.

            • Nic the NZer 2.4.1.1.1.1

              If you want to help feel free to go down to Molesworth street and direct traffic. At least that way you wont be trying to start a disagreement (on here).

            • Shanreagh 2.4.1.1.1.2

              The notice that is given will always include the location of the vehicle. They might just put a big sign up saying vehicles removed on XXX date are at the towers yard at XXXXXX or at the wharf or……

              Might even be worth it, shudders really, for govt to reimburse the WCC for having to hire the towies – who will not work for nothing. Then all that is left is for the fine to be paid…..which I would recommend they do as WCC will escalate and escalate non payment of fines until it becomes a serious debt compliance issue.

        • roblogic 2.4.1.2

          Do what the Canadians are doing… protesting is one thing. Attempted insurrection and blocking up central Wellington shows who these arseholes really are. They don't give a shit about anyone else's freedom, only the inconvenience to themselves and their alt-right wankfest. Half of them do not even believe that Covid is real. They need to grow up and learn that consequences are real

          https://twitter.com/KarenKrumbholz/status/1492177744213397504?s=20&t=j9IoixjfA1d31IPYCO1YmA

          • weka 2.4.1.2.1

            that's the action of a state who has left a lot of people behind and now needs to use repressive measures. Thankfully, NZ is not there, yet.

            My main concern with the protests is the omicron and delta risk. Other than that, it's better that their voices are heard than they start plotting out of sight.

            This from Newsroom is really worth reading. Most of that crowd won't be alt-right or far right. The people I know that support it are social liberals.

            https://www.newsroom.co.nz/hijacked-the-inside-story-of-how-nzs-convoy-lost-its-rudder

            The challenging thing here is both the hijacking making the dynamics more complex (essentially third party agitators), and the fact that this grouping of people generally is a mix we are just not used to. We should be paying close attention, because there will be people being radicalised to the right as we speak. The left sitting outside and preaching ridicule and ostracisation is a massive mistake.

    • Jenny how to get there 2.5

      Remember the moral panic created over boy racers.

      Where is Crusher now, when we need her.

  3. georgecom 3

    Headline in the NZH today from Hooten about anger being beyond the fringe elements at parliament grounds. I didn't read the article. It did make me think Hooten could have a point, it would not surprise me if the protests in Wellington actually galvanised some extra support for Labour.

    • Muttonbird 3.1

      So cute how RWNJs attempt to both leverage advantage from the protest by claiming 'everyone is thinking the same', but distance themselves from the protest by saying 'we don't think the same'.

      Duplicitous idiots.

  4. Jenny how to get there 4

    Behold, the world's most expensive tea kettle.

    …..The energy produced in the latest experiment, for instance, was enough to boil about 60 kettles of water.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/technology/2022/02/major-breakthrough-european-scientists-set-nuclear-fusion-energy-record.html?

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