Daily Review 11/10/2017

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1. greywarshark 1

   11 October 2017 at 5:47 pm

   How do I find the story behind the image that you put up each night?
   • mickysavage 1.1

     11 October 2017 at 7:14 pm

     Its a bit random. I could put up a description in the narration. This is of a recent protest in Spain.
     • greywarshark 1.1.1

       11 October 2017 at 7:24 pm

       Thanks Micky. Just the place as a minimum would be good. This image is awful – like the robot kicking a butterfly. Spain catatonic v Catalonia or vice versa?
     • BM 1.1.2

       11 October 2017 at 7:31 pm

       I think it’s a bit older than that.

       https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/141383-2013-09-09-how-we-respond-to-protest.htm
       • DSpare 1.1.2.1

         11 October 2017 at 8:34 pm

         It is hard to know which reports are genuine and which are fabricated, particularly if you don’t know Spanish (which I don’t), let alone Catalan. This iNews piece is largely based on the work of; “Maldito Bulo” (“devil hoax”, maybe; “damned lies” would be the best translation), and does suggest that image checking is as important as fact checking in these “post-truth” days:

         Although the Spanish police did try to forcefully stop people voting, some of the viral images of injured people do not show injured Catalan citizens, but people injured in a miners’ protest in Madrid in 2012,

         Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/misinformation-shared-catalonia/

         That said, the fact that the proudly Francoist; “Falange Española‏ de las JONS” (the J stands for junta), were marching complete with their salutes against Catalonian independence is not fake news. But neither did they seem to be the organizers of the main demonstrations. Still they have not been disowned by them (at least not in any english translation I have read) , and as NRT points out (with links):

         While Spanish violence succeeded in keeping the turnout to only 43% (55% if the ballots they stole are considered), support for an independent republic was so overwhelming that it would have been a majority even at the turnout levels of a normal Catalan election.

         Since then, Spain has upped its campaign of violence, threatening to suspend Catalonia’s regional autonomy and torture and murder its president (just as they did to one of his predecessors).

         http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/signed-and-suspended.html#links

         The best local parallel to Catalonia/ Spain would seem to be Papua/ Indonesia. Where likewise a choice between continued ethnic cleansing or some legal restraint was offered (though in Papua the; “Act of Free Choice” was much less democratic than the Spanish constitutional referendum). An important point is that the Spanish constitution has only existed for forty years and has already been amended twice, so it is as not as sacrosanct as the Spanish government are fronting.
         • Ad 1.1.2.1.1

           11 October 2017 at 9:10 pm

           I think better local example would be the Tuhoe in the Uruweras.
       • mickysavage 1.1.2.2

         11 October 2017 at 9:16 pm

         Thanks BM my mistake.
2. JC 2

   11 October 2017 at 6:26 pm

   “After seeing out another election at RNZ, news gathering boss and former political editor Brent Edwards has left after 16 years at the broadcaster. Mediawatch asks him why and how he sees the state of journalism today.” …

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201860416/brent-edwards-signs-off-at-rnz
   • Anne 2.1

     11 October 2017 at 6:56 pm

     And the following is the most important thing he had to say:

     The media could stop covering politics as a game. That would make a big difference,” he said.

     “People need to know behind the scene what is being done, but we get obsessed with the game and seeing elections as a horse race. I’m not sure that really serves our readers, viewers or listeners best, or provides the sort of journalism that sustains democracy,…”

     I don’t know how many other people have wondered why so many voters fell for the $11.7 billion fiscal hole lie and the income tax lies. Well, it seems National reinforced them by targeting specific groups with Face-Book messages repeating the lies to them. As someone who is not on Face-Book, I don’t know how they were able to select the groups they perceived as vulnerable and then send them personal messages, but I do know a couple of my young relatives were among them. They fell hook, line and sinker for them.
     • JC 2.1.1

       11 October 2017 at 7:29 pm

       “There are three estates in Parliament but in the Reporters’ Gallery yonder there sits a Fourth Estate more important far than they all. It is not a figure of speech or witty saying, it is a literal fact, very momentous to us in these times.”

       – Edmund Burke in a parliamentary debate in 1787 on the opening up of press reporting of the British House of Commons.

       http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1501/S00058/reinventing-news-as-a-public-right-a-public-conversation.htm#2
       • millsy 2.1.1.1

         11 October 2017 at 11:33 pm

         Hence the term “Fourth Estate”. Thanks for the fun fact…
     • John up North 2.1.2

       12 October 2017 at 10:08 am

       Facebook is a business —- fb users and their information is one of the products they sell for profit.

       Basically you tell fb the profile of the person/s you want to target, hand over your do$h and fb does the rest. They have lots of different algorithms to march through their database (our information, searches, likes, profile, page visits etc) and hey presto no need for a shotgun approach when you have a sniper that knows “plenty” about the target/s.
       • Anne 2.1.2.1

         12 October 2017 at 10:37 am

         Thanks for that JuN.
         On and off for years I was stalked by a jealous and insane person and – along with related unlawful acts – it left me wary of putting my name out there in any sort of public or semi-public arena. Hence I avoided Facebook and don’t understand how it works.

         Now we know where National was spending its many millions… an under the radar onslaught on Facebook. Time for a look at the electoral laws again!!
3. Whispering Kate 3

   11 October 2017 at 8:23 pm

   One thing I would like to know is this – when Winnie has finally made up his mind who he wishes to form a Government with – will we ever find out what his demands were and what the other partner has ceded to him – or will it be a business contract and kept confidential.

   Will we just have to sit back as voters and accept what it is but never know what has been agreed to. Is there a protocol for this or is the electorate just kept in the dark and not told what the terms were finally agreed upon.
   • tracey 3.1

     11 October 2017 at 8:29 pm

     It will come out in time I think because of initiatives that get announced and how the voting goes in the house?
   • millsy 3.2

     11 October 2017 at 11:34 pm

     We got full info on what Labour and NZF were going to do back in 1996 — so no reason why this is going to be any different.
4. Anne 4

   11 October 2017 at 8:53 pm

   This bloke seems to have ‘insider’ knowledge about what’s going on inside the negotiations:

   https://imperatorfish.com/2017/10/11/these-coalition-talks/
   • Cinny 4.1

     11 October 2017 at 10:15 pm

     He’s on the money
   • mac1 4.2

     11 October 2017 at 10:35 pm

     Rather a closed view, I thought, with little regard for other possible outcomes…………
     • Anne 4.2.1

       11 October 2017 at 10:39 pm

       I do get the impression he’s not too sure of the outcome despite his insider knowledge. 😐
       • ianmac 4.2.1.1

         11 October 2017 at 10:41 pm

         He would have a conclusive understanding if he consulted David Seymour.
         • mac1 4.2.1.1.1

           11 October 2017 at 11:17 pm

           He is well named, after all, and sees more than we mere mortals.
           • greywarshark 4.2.1.1.1.1

             12 October 2017 at 10:29 am

             Will his final words be ‘So long and thanks for all the fish’?
5. Ed 5

   11 October 2017 at 9:02 pm

   Another ACT mouthpiece gets a platform for their toxic views.
   Prebble, Seymour, Franks, Hide and now Roy.

   0.5 % of the vote and a lot more than 0.5 % of the airtime.

   Still, I guess the 0.5% owns about 50% of the country’s wealth.

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11932045
6. WILD KATIPO 6

   11 October 2017 at 10:18 pm

   Tomorrows a big day. Sort of . But I cant say why. Its a secret. And then the next day might be even bigger. But I cant say exactly why. But it might be the end of the line.

   Traveling Wilburys – End Of The Line – YouTube
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqhdRs4jyA
   • greywarshark 6.1

     12 October 2017 at 10:52 am

     This one had Roy Orbison in it who died before the second recording.
     Roy gets talked about but many wouldn’t have seen him at work.

     Not Alone any More
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH7gXFnaeuI

     Congratulations – I hope this doesn’t apply as it’s a downer.
     (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsl_krW7ZkE
7. adam 7

   11 October 2017 at 10:41 pm

   No matter who wins, we will at least have a killing joke…

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0Nk23tOq4&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=endgame767
8. millsy 8

   11 October 2017 at 11:39 pm

   Winston will go with National. I
   • greywarshark 8.1

     12 October 2017 at 11:11 am

     You are upsetting the space-time continuum by saying that millsy. Please desist.

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