Daily review 13/10/2020

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1. weka 1

   13 October 2020 at 5:41 pm

   the state of election week. The Deputy PM basically saying that he doesn't trust the PM to tell the truth. The Opposition with nothing to offer other than pointing and yelling 'liar'. Ffs.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.1

     13 October 2020 at 5:47 pm

     The Deputy PM basically saying that he doesn't trust the PM to tell the truth.

     Link?

     The Opposition with nothing to offer other than pointing and yelling 'liar'.

     They do that solely to try and distract from their own lies.
     • weka 1.1.1

       13 October 2020 at 6:04 pm

       There was a report on Checkpoint from someone on the NZF bus.

       https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018768185/peters-still-singing-on-campaign-bus-despite-low-polls

       From around 3m 40.
2. weka 2

   13 October 2020 at 6:07 pm

   Chch engineer Susan Krumdiek on RNZ tonight, talking about transitioning to post-carbon.
   • Pat 2.1

     13 October 2020 at 6:29 pm

     I hope she sells her vision better than last time….shes a very astute person but she didnt interview well last time. Its curious how some write so very well but dont present well orally and vice versa.
     • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1

       13 October 2020 at 7:09 pm

       Its curious how some write so very well but dont present well orally and vice versa.

       Curious? Strange word there.

       I'd say that there's many reasons:

       • Practice
       • Psychological
       • Physiological
       • Social experience

       Not everybody is the same.
       • Pat 2.1.1.1

         13 October 2020 at 7:35 pm

         feel better?
     • weka 2.1.2

       14 October 2020 at 10:06 am

       maybe an off day? When I've heard her speak she's been clear and coherent.
       • Pat 2.1.2.1

         14 October 2020 at 10:23 am

         she can be…the videos available are pretty good, thats why I was disappointed with the couple of RNZ interviews she had done…maybe its the interviewer, dont know….theres no doubt she knows her stuff and has plenty of vision.
3. Muttonbird 3

   13 October 2020 at 6:31 pm

   Sad to see Judith Collins' career end so ignominiously. This is beyond desperate:

   Collins ramps up attacks on Ardern: 'She lied. I hope she sues me for it.'

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/election-2020-judith-collins-calls-jacinda-ardern-a-liar-over-covid-19/BFHQZB5DT5F7UINVVGKKCVT7BY/

   Go home Judith, you're drunk.
   • greywarshark 3.1

     13 October 2020 at 8:25 pm

     What was she like at school? The mind boggles about Judith C.
   • weka 3.2

     13 October 2020 at 8:47 pm

     Judith Peters.
   • mikesh 3.3

     14 October 2020 at 9:43 am

     Collins' remarks about the future Labour government with respect to the wealth tax would probably be considered fraudulent in any other context.
4. joe90 4

   13 October 2020 at 6:34 pm

   Imagine the future should the likes of ACT's Grattan ever get their feet under the cabinet table.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3164155/Companies-director-sentenced-over-fatal-coolstore-fire

   https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/10-years-on-and-the-fight-continues-for-tamahere-residents/PEHGIXIXJHNKGSLLTLAP4OP45Y/
   • anker 4.1

     13 October 2020 at 7:09 pm

     Thanks Joe 90. Some people have no shame. I notice there is no mention of the coolstore company in his biography.
5. McFlock 5

   13 October 2020 at 6:49 pm

   I mean, I know they're crap, but that can't be the best picture from their photo-op.
   edit: aaaaaand I fucked up the sizing again even though I put it in the box in the dialogue. Sigh.
   editedit: aaa that got it.
   
   • Muttonbird 5.1

     13 October 2020 at 6:59 pm

     I can't believe growers are still whinging about access to cheap foreign labour. It's a disgrace they are not using Kiwis and paying them properly.
   • UncookedSelachimorpha 5.2

     13 October 2020 at 8:27 pm

     $30-$35 / hour and a lot of people would consider relocating for the season I reckon. For the minimum wage or a few cents over that – forget it.
     • weka 5.2.1

       13 October 2020 at 8:49 pm

       It's cool, some orchards use a picking rate and will up your pay to the minimum wage if you can't pick fast enough.
     • Stuart Munro 5.2.2

       14 October 2020 at 7:27 am

       Part of the problem is accommodation cost. Locals still need to keep their space in town for the most part. Paying two sets of rent sucks the joy out of cornucopian fantasies pdq.
       • McFlock 5.2.2.1

         14 October 2020 at 5:26 pm

         Yeah, and dorm living in the roxburgh motorcamp was an acquired taste, as I recall.
6. Grafton Gully 6

   13 October 2020 at 6:57 pm

   Collins banging on about transport resilience in Wellington as being crucial due to the capital city being on earthquake fault lines. Move the capital to say PN or even AK and problem solved. I guess WTON was chosen because with mainly sea transport in those days it had to be central. No longer an issue.
   • Draco T Bastard 6.1

     13 October 2020 at 7:18 pm

     Auckland was the second capital.

     And, yes, the capital was moved to Wellington because of the travel distance.

     The reason why it's not moving to Auckland is probably because of a couple of reasons:

     • Tradition. Really, this one's probably the big one. People really don't like like changing tradition.
     • Difficulty in moving the nation's administration so much. There's a lot of specialisation that goes into government that would have to be moved and set up
     • Herodotus 6.1.1

       13 October 2020 at 8:01 pm

       Spend some of the provincial growth fund and move the capital to Nelson, it is close by and the climate is infinitely better 🤩

       I thought there was an idea to transition some govts depts to the regions ?
       • lprent 6.1.1.1

         13 October 2020 at 8:11 pm

         Nah. Very limited scope for decimation in Nelson. Earthquakes. But with too many prospects for escape compared to Wellington.
       • Cinny 6.1.1.2

         13 October 2020 at 9:25 pm

         If the capital moved to Nelson would we stop getting paid sunshine hours? If so I'd be down with that, wages are crap in our region because of the good weather.
       • Craig H 6.1.1.3

         13 October 2020 at 11:28 pm

         Yes, there is work being done on more regional government jobs outside operational roles over time – MBIE recently employed policy advisors outside Wellington and Auckland, for example. Small steps, but steps in the right direction. The new Public Service Act is intended to encourage regional hubs as well.
     • lprent 6.1.2

       13 October 2020 at 8:10 pm

       Also we neither have the room nor inclination to have too many politicians or their flunkies here. Nor the old style head offices and their staff.

       The idea of moving the capital here just appalls my export orientated business heart and head. If they don't want to stay in Wellington (major earthquake zone), then can I suggest a city around the volcanic plateau? Or Canterbury.

       Lots of scope there for a rapid refreshment of the parasitic order. And it doesn't clog our transport systems.
7. Grafton Gully 7

   13 October 2020 at 7:14 pm

   Collins "do not blame systems for personal choices" is silly because the choices I make are influenced by the system I live in. Change the system by regulating obesogenic foods and drinks advertising and ingredients and my choices change towards a healthier diet. Her self-congratulatory, seemingly ignorant stance on this is very off-putting. I believe she would be a deeply divisive and harmful PM for NZ and hope she is not elected.

   https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/judith-collins-says-obesity-generally-weakness-urges-personal-responsibility-over-blaming-system
   • Draco T Bastard 7.1

     13 October 2020 at 7:20 pm

     Yep, the big problem is the advertising but there's no way that National would want to admit that as it would cut into their funder's profits.
     • greywarshark 7.1.1

       13 October 2020 at 8:34 pm

       The blame culture. Gummint has no responsibility for anything, moulds, bends and breaks people's lives at will. The marijuana prohibition is an example.
   • JanM 7.2

     13 October 2020 at 8:30 pm

     That's really rich coming from someone who is overweight – as is her husband for that matter!
   • Cinny 7.3

     13 October 2020 at 9:20 pm

     I guess it slipped her mind that paula bennet, anne tolley and gerry brownlee could all afford to get their tummies tucked on their tax payer funded salary.

     Geez she's a nasty piece of work.
   • Stuart Munro 7.4

     14 October 2020 at 7:32 am

     So right. It was a personal choice to become a highly skilled professional fisherman the government could fuck over with the QMS and slave ships. I should have gone into real estate or HR or crime – but I had a work ethic – more fool me.
8. ScottGN 8

   13 October 2020 at 7:15 pm

   Auckland was originally the capital from such 1841 to 1865 when it was moved to Wellington. At that time Canterbury and Otago were the economic powerhouses of the colony (especially after the discovery of gold in Otago in 1861) and they demanded a more centrally located capital. The final decision was made by three Australian commissioners appointed by the colonial governments in Victoria, NSW and Tasmania.
9. observer 9

   13 October 2020 at 7:30 pm

   I've been trying to think of anything comparable to Collins in this campaign. Even in other countries' elections. She is having some kind of public meltdown, not simply a political meltdown but a personal one.

   I can't recall seeing anything as bad as this. It's more like something you see in sport, a tennis player doing a McEnroe/Kyrgios, a coach ranting after the game. Plot, lost.
   • bwaghorn 9.1

     13 October 2020 at 9:50 pm

     Na just her true colors shing through.

     We dodged a bullet with her getting the nat leadership in an election they are unlikely to win.
10. Robert Guyton 10

    13 October 2020 at 7:44 pm

    New Conservatives!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/123064905/candidate-uses-photo-of-11yearold-girl-for-antirainbow-smear-campaign
11. Fireblade 11

    13 October 2020 at 7:48 pm

    https://www.twitter.com/henrycooke/status/1315857609161752576
    • observer 11.1

      13 October 2020 at 7:55 pm

      That's a Goldilocks poll, more or less. Don't want Labour too low (obviously) or too high (complacency, low turnout) or Greens too low. There's an incentive there to party vote Green.

      Waiting for one last TV1, TV3 and (probably) Roy Morgan.

      And obviously Curia's polls for National are bad too, hence no sharing.

      It's all about turnout now.
12. ScottGN 12

    13 October 2020 at 8:19 pm

    8% sub-threshold party votes in that UMR too if you count NZFirst (which is listed, the others aren’t). So that’s about 10 seats Ste-Lague will reallocate to parties that cross the threshold. Labour would get about 65 seats in total. A comfortable majority.
13. greywarshark 13

    13 October 2020 at 8:44 pm

    I wonder if everyone here has caught this very interesting talk about how people get sampled by USA churches to expand their congregations, but also get useful info that can be used for political purposes.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018767461/the-kiwi-researcher-exposing-the-links-between-the-religious-right-and-trump

    People You May Know delves into what Cambridge Analytica was doing ahead of the 2016 election: working with a software company and deep-pocketed churches in America to gather information about people and encourage desired individuals to vote Republican and for Donald Trump.

    The documentary follows Charles Kriel, a former specialist advisor to the UK Parliament, as he visits churches in the US and ends up going undercover at a high-level meeting of the Council for National Policy (CNP) – an umbrella organisation and networking group for conservative and Republican activists in the US…

    [Brent Allpress researcher in Melbourne:]

    “It was framed from the outset as a way of improving the likelihood of having enough votes for presidential elections.

    “There is a series of coalitions involved in this and there’s mutual benefit. They may not have all the same exact interests, but the Council for National Policy is an umbrella organisation for a whole bunch of broad right-wing groups formed in 1981.

    “It brought together oil interests, large extractive industries and evangelical activists and dominionists who seek to end the separation of Church and State. At its most extreme I’d describe it as white supremacy, but it does have a lineage that goes back to push-back on desegregation in the late 1960s.”

    Using search terms on the organisation’s website he managed to bring up a strategy document for the last five years. Armed with his discovery, a colleague then put him in contact with Charles Kriel, who was already making a documentary. The pair collaborated for about 18 months, setting up interviews with key figures for their project.

    This is stuff that informed political commenters should know about. This is important stuff I think.
    • Cinny 13.1

      13 October 2020 at 9:21 pm

      Dang! Thanks for that info and link Greywar, double dang!
      • greywarshark 13.1.1

        13 October 2020 at 9:24 pm

        Glad you like it!! DDang alright.

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