Daily review 13/10/2021

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1. Gezza 1

   13 October 2021 at 6:34 pm

   Classic example of totally brain-dead reflexive use of te reo Maori place names by Simon Dallow on One Ewes at 6 tonight.

   They had one of their male cub reporters (name I forget) reporting from the South Coast of Wellington, probably Owhiro Bay, where the road has been battered by high winds & waves, debris thrown up by the waves at last high tide is still scattered over the road, & some cars had been damaged by sea-strewn debris.

   Signing off the story, Dallow said the cub was reporting from Te-Whanganui-a-Tara!

   No he bloody wasn’t. Te-Whanganui-a-Tara is The Great Harbour of Tara. The reporter wasn’t actually anywhere near the harbour. He was on the South Coast road, on the other fracking side of the harbour’s hills. 😠
   • miravox 1.1

     13 October 2021 at 6:39 pm

     Are you complaining about Dallow not saying 'Owhiro Bay' or not using the name of a Duke who never stepped foot in the place?
     • Gezza 1.1.1

       13 October 2021 at 6:58 pm

       Either would have been more accurate.

       Te-Whanganui-a-Tara is a very specific location & a very specific geographical feature.

       (I should have spelt that Ōwhiro Bay.) Ōwhiro Bay was where the reporter actually was, & he was also – accurately – on Wellington’s South Coast, because Wellington is a province & a region, not just the city itself.

       If Dallow knew a bit more than the TVNZ rote token names he might’ve had the nous to say the cub was reporting from Te Upoko o te Ika a Māui, which would’ve also been more accurate.
       • miravox 1.1.1.1

         13 October 2021 at 7:02 pm

         Names change though ay? Te-Whanganui-a-Tara is fast becoming the name for the whole city, as far as I can tell, and Ōwhiro Bay is part of the city…
         • Gezza 1.1.1.1.1

           13 October 2021 at 7:14 pm

           It’s becoming the name for the whole city only by the wilfully ignorant.
           • miravox 1.1.1.1.1.1

             13 October 2021 at 7:24 pm

             The council uses Pōneke, so maybe a word to One News s required.
             • SPC …

               13 October 2021 at 8:39 pm

               Poneke is just a Maori nickname of Port Nich olson – it's no more credible as a name for Wellington than Wellie.

               It might have began as a reaction among Maori to the Pakeha calling the harbour Port Nicholson.
               • joe90 …

                 13 October 2021 at 8:42 pm

                 I've been told it's a transliteration of Port Nicholson.
                 • SPC …

                   13 October 2021 at 8:51 pm

                   If so, is there a reason for the ch into the K, except for sounds like a K?

                   And of course there is no S in Maori – thus those who speak English should use it as both a singular and plural, and not add that S.
               • miravox …

                 13 October 2021 at 8:50 pm

                 It would be interesting to know why the council chose Pōneke. It makes not a lot of sense unless they were advised to use it.

                 I've been using Te Whanganui-a-Tara since I moved back this year.
                 • Gezza …

                   14 October 2021 at 4:45 am

                   Pōneke is a Reo Māori transliteration of Port Nicky (Port Nicholson), Wellington City’s original Pākehā settlement name.

                   Te Whanganui-a-Tara’s topography was substantially altered by the 1855 Wairarapa Fault earthquake, which raised present-day Lambton Quay right out of the water & I assume led to the building of the current waterfront some distance away from the original Port Nicholson.

                   I imagine Wellington’s council has simply decided to purloin the Māori name for Port
                   Nicky – Pōneke – to describe the city, as opposed to the Great Harbour [Whanga – 3. (noun) bay, cove, bight, estuary] + nui [2. (noun) size, quantity, vastness, greatness, importance, amount, abundance, plenty, rank].

                   Personally, I favour Pōneke as the name for Wellington city, for that reason. Because it makes sense. And I have no problem with Te Whanganui-a-Tara when referring to the harbour, because that ALSO makes sense.

                   Were it within my power, I would legislate these names for those purposes, to remove all competitors, except Te Upoko o te ika a Māui (The Mouth of Māui’s Fish – i.e. The North Island). Te Upoko o te ika makes perfect sense when referring to the entrance to the harbour & the coastal roads environs around it on both sides.
                   • Gezza …

                     14 October 2021 at 4:50 am

                     Oops – quick correction, Te Upoko is the head (not the mouth) of te ika a Māui. But it incorporates the mouth of the harbour.

                     Thank you.
                     That is all.
         • SPC 1.1.1.1.2

           13 October 2021 at 8:31 pm

           Something that has only happened because they built a stadium on the harbour waterfront. The term is used accurately in the broadcast, but misunderstood by many in the audience.
       • JanM 1.1.1.2

         13 October 2021 at 7:51 pm

         Ah – glad you've cleared that up for me, Gezza. Way back in the 70s when I developed my pepeha at teacher's college, my Maori lecturers identified my place of birth as Te Upoko o te ika a Maui which I've used ever since. I have been a bit puzzled by the constant use of Te Whanganui a Tara by journalists, but my knowledge of the area isn't that great to understand why. Now I know – thank you. (Sorry, haven't mastered macrons yet)
         • I Feel Love 1.1.1.2.1

           13 October 2021 at 8:18 pm

           Macrons, try pressing on the letter you want to "macronise" & some options should turn up in a little box, then you have to master the slide to the correct macron!
           • JanM 1.1.1.2.1.1

             13 October 2021 at 8:34 pm

             Thank you
   • chris T 1.2

     13 October 2021 at 8:20 pm

     Flatted in Owhiro Bay for a few years.

     Could never understand why the locals didn't just park their cars further back when everyone knows the next days forecastm, like I used to.

     Think for the ones who actually own houses there it was more money than sense.

     Either that or they were just thick.
   • SPC 1.3

     13 October 2021 at 9:03 pm

     And as much indicative of a lack of knowledge of place names/areas outside of Auckland by the presenter and or support staff.
   • GreenBus 1.4

     13 October 2021 at 9:22 pm

     Geeze Gezza, he was at Eastborne. Chill bro.
     • SPC 1.4.1

       13 October 2021 at 9:39 pm

       c18 minutes

       https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/one-news-at-6pm/episodes/s2021-e286

       The reporter said he was on the Wellington South coast and specified Owhiro Bay. Eastbourne and Lower Hutt were also mentioned as other places with heavy sea. Both are around the harbour, but not part of Wellington City.

       SD referred to the reporter being in Whanganui A Tara – using it as a name of the city (Eastbourne and Lower Hutt are not part of Wellington City … ).
       • SPC 1.4.1.1

         13 October 2021 at 10:07 pm

         I should also add that between Eastbourne and Petone beach are a number of harbour bays – but this area is not known as Lower Hutt (albeit this, like the over the hill Wainui, is now part of the Hutt City Council area).
     • Gezza 1.4.2

       14 October 2021 at 4:54 am

       GreenBus, cuz, consider yourself now fulsomely corrected by SPC.
       All good. Learning new stuff is primo. 👌🏼
       • GreenBus 1.4.2.1

         14 October 2021 at 6:37 am

         One news definitely said Eastborne while showing video footage waves crashing over the road etc. Never mind, my apologies I stand corrected, sweet as. Might have been old Wahine days footage?
         • Gezza 1.4.2.1.1

           14 October 2021 at 7:01 am

           Yeah, they did show the Eastbourne road. Footage taken earlier in the day, I think, probably around high tide. My teina (younger brother of same sex) lived in Eastbourne for 3 years.

           That road often gets a pounding & debris-strewn like that in a Southerly storm. Easy to get cut off. No other road out, just the steep bush-clad hills behind it. I’d never live there.

           Simon Dallow’s mistake was that he said the reporter was speaking to us from Whanganui-a-Tara, tho, as I’ve explained, he wasn’t at the harbour, he was more correctly in Ōwhiro Road (o Pōneke), or at Te Upoko o te Ika a Māui.
2. Lukas 2

   13 October 2021 at 6:47 pm

   I see the fee for doctors administering euthanasia has been announced at $1087. Sadly this is only slightly less ($1090) than a midwife is paid for delivering a woman’s first child and is more than they are paid for a subsequent child ($855).

   It is a sad reflection on the world we live in where there is more money in ending a life than there is in bringing one into this world.
   • Ad 2.1

     13 October 2021 at 7:54 pm

     For a thousand bucks the state eases you from cradle to grave.

     Relax, everything is done for you.
     • Patricia Bremner 2.1.1

       13 October 2021 at 8:45 pm

       We voted for it.
3. joe90 3

   13 October 2021 at 7:33 pm

   Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.

   https://twitter.com/TheCourtRules/status/1447542474113699843

   Besides Wakefield, one other important person men-
   tioned the "eat grass" insult. Little Crow, in a letter to
   Henry Sibley dictated during the fighting that followed,
   specifically charged Myrick with telling the Dakota that
   they could "eat grass or their own dung." Myrick was not
   the only trader mentioned; Little Crow singled out
   others who had become obnoxious to his people. Yet the
   chief's comments again make clear that Myrick had
   threatened the Dakota with starvation. Years later Chief
   Big Eagle would claim that after killing the traders at the
   Lower Agency on August 18, warriors stuffed Myrick's
   mouth full of grass. Big Eagle did not indicate, however,
   that he attended the council where Myrick made this
   remark and seemed to suggest that all was quiet at the
   Lower Agency just before the war broke out.

   http://collections.mnhs.org/MNHistoryMagazine/articles/48/v48i05p198-206.pdf
4. mac1 4

   13 October 2021 at 7:47 pm

   Eating grass is not a good thing to read for someone who is aware of the pains of the Irish Famine where corpses were found in ditches with green stains around the mouths from eating grass.

   The hurt can reach across the generations that people of my ancestry could be treated so, as it is for the writer of this reference to Indigenous People's Day and the events just a decade later than the Famine in America.
   • joe90 4.1

     13 October 2021 at 8:03 pm

     An older workmate from my 70s youth and his brother had fled southern Italy for Canada in 1946. He said every thing but the grass had been eaten.
   • Tricledrown 4.2

     14 October 2021 at 8:20 pm

     North American indigenous people sent relief parcels to the starving Irish there is a monument in Dublin in remembrance as well as other monuments in memory of those who starved to death .
     • mac1 4.2.1

       14 October 2021 at 11:26 pm

       I've seen one memorial in Cork at a Famine grave yard- a statue of a grieving woman in black. Very poignant. I also saw damning inscriptions in a Clare graveyard condemning Landlordism and cooking pots like whaling try pots which were donated by English Quakers for cooking decent soups. There were other memorials I saw in Ireland, a memorial garden in Dublin. I had an uilleann piper stay with me. I offered him mussels as a special local treat. He wouldn't/ couldn't eat them- "Famine food" he called it………..
5. joe90 5

   13 October 2021 at 8:40 pm

   Another stick to wave at the vaccine hesitant.

   

   

   https://www.finity.com.au/2021/10/12/living-with-covid-and-the-impact-on-workers-compensation
6. Tricledrown 6

   14 October 2021 at 8:13 pm

   Extrapolating the numbers you are 35 times more likely to die if you are unvaccinated.

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