Daily Review 14/12/2016

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1. Muttonbird 1

   14 December 2016 at 6:39 pm

   Bling unwisely chose to compare the National Party to the All Blacks. A year in which NZ rugby was plagued with off field incidents around violence and sexual abuse prompting a sweeping review into the culture of the organisation and its participants.

   It was also a year in which the commercial demands on the national game became apparent with the first true exhibition game in Chicago.

   And on the field, while the ABs showed promise early post McCaw that appears to have been due to the weakness of the opposition – something which the current government would be unwise to expect on the political stage. When the All Blacks fulfilled the desires of their commercial backers in Chicago they promptly fell over to an opposition which they hadn’t been defeated by in their entire history – which incidentally is longer than the existence of the National party by some margin.

   Then on to Europe where the real effect of the post McCaw era started to become noticeable. They looked disinterested, ill-disciplined, and rusty, seemingly unable to fulfil the demands of season after season at the top.

   http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/bill-english-ends-year-with-taylor-swift-attack-on-opposition-2016121416
   • Pete 1.1

     14 December 2016 at 9:41 pm

     ” …A year in which NZ rugby was plagued with off field incidents around violence and sexual abuse prompting a sweeping review into the culture of the organisation and its participants.”

     Reality check. How many off field incidents constitute a plague? How many incidents of sexual abuse? If there is a need for and actually is a sweeping review into the culture of the organisation and its participants because of such as the over stated stuff here and the manic aftermath of a couple of disparate incidents?
     • Muttonbird 1.1.1

       14 December 2016 at 10:13 pm

       Well there is a review so NZR obviously thought their reputation was being damaged. They have also set up a “cultural change” panel what ever that is.

       A series of incidents raising questions about the sport’s attitude toward women have rocked NZ Rugby in recent months.

       http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11728504

       I might I ask where you have been because you seem to think this year has been normal transmission and nothing to worry about. There was the Chiefs incident, the Aaron Smith incident, the Losi Filipo incident, and the Tamanitoakula incident, and then this dozen…

       In the latest incident, a Southland Stags rugby player has been sentenced to 18 months’ intensive supervision after admitting three charges of masturbating in a public place, twice in front of young girls.

       Dillan Halaholo, 23, was convicted in the Invercargill District Court today.

       You think thins stuff is ‘disparate’ and not something worth looking into. Bill English has no issue in high-jacking the All Blacks’ record for his own gain the year in which rugby was hanging its head.

       You must both vote National.
       • Pete 1.1.1.1

         15 December 2016 at 8:41 am

         Their reputation was being damaged. By some incidents but mainly from hysterical coverage about them.

         For hundreds of thousands involved in the game as participants, spectators or with someone in the family involved, kids women and men, it was normal transmission.

         If someone appears in court and happens to be a rugby player that becomes the feature of the story. Do people from golf, squash, tennis and bridge clubs ever appear in court?

         “They have also set up a “cultural change” panel what ever that is.” It’s a response so they can say they are doing something – an appeasement towards the hysteria. It’s all about image.

         http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/85045713/Mark-Reason-The-Aaron-and-Sharon-soap-and-blow-dry
     • mauī 1.1.2

       14 December 2016 at 10:53 pm

       When 20% of your rugby players in your centrepiece competition are under a cloud of sexual assault, I think most people would say you’ve got a big problem. What was probably more telling was the response to the serious issue. Flatout denial, a bogus internal review, and no player, administrative or sponsorship accountability. Those things really did make it much worse.
       • Pete 1.1.2.1

         15 December 2016 at 8:52 am

         The worst thing about the Chiefs incident could have been that the truth was not allowed to come out because of fear of the backlash in being seen to be attacking those who put out the initial (mis) information.

         After it was, (sort of) all done and dusted other information came out. Too late, the tsunami had done the damage.

         Saying “When 20% of your rugby players in your centrepiece competition are under a cloud of sexual assault” is like a soundbite from Anne Tolley or John Banks – indicative of something which needs to be looked at and at the same time laden with intent, casting a slur and instantly casting an impression which regardless of accuracy, remains.
2. UncookedSelachimorpha 2

   14 December 2016 at 6:47 pm

   More vindication for Nicky Hager, well done Nicky and Nicky’s daughter!

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/320422/hager's-daughter-gets-pay-out-over-illegal-raid
   • Muttonbird 2.1

     14 December 2016 at 8:30 pm

     In order to pay for this I expect more police will ordered back to their core work – revenue gathering via traffic infringement notices.
     • Peter Swift 2.1.1

       15 December 2016 at 1:49 am

       Well the cu*t neighbour who threw a bottle at my house on Monday won’t get a visit from the community constable because they were all scrapped due to budget cut backs, if that’s what you mean.
3. Carolyn_nth 3

   14 December 2016 at 6:56 pm

   At the end of Checkpoint tonight, John Campbell read out an email. The writer compared Paula Bennett’s no show and disrespectful treatment of people in emergency housing, with Bennett’s fronting to the media pitching for the DPM job last week.
   • the pigman 3.1

     14 December 2016 at 7:06 pm

     *applause*

     That really was a depressing piece on the trailer home/emergency accommodation families.

     First she boots them out of HNZ homes using flawed methamphetamine testing pushed by a testing cartel with no scientific rigour that had been rejected by the MSD. They get banned from joining the HNZ list.

     Then, they sell those HNZ homes to private land barons, claiming they’re surplus to HNZ’s requirements.

     Then they pay families of 3 around 300 per night to stay in motels/trailer parks.

     Then we make her Deputy PM…
     • michelle 3.1.1

       15 December 2016 at 11:24 am

       we didn’t make her deputy dog pigman the gnats did
4. Anne 4

   14 December 2016 at 7:06 pm

   Posted by Idiot/Savant:

   Nicky Hager’s daughter was the only one home when the Police turned up to raid the house. She had to stay and watch the 10-hour raid of her home. The Police search included a search of her bedroom and private belongings. The Police seized and cloned her phone and laptop. The laptop was kept by the Police for over four months. This all happened two weeks before she was due to submit her end-of-degree University papers.

   The Police have agreed to pay Nicky Hager’s daughter damages and her costs. They have also agreed to destroy all copies of her information taken during the raid and copied. On that basis, his daughter has agreed to discontinue her proceedings against the Police.

   This is on top of quarter of a million dollars in interim costs, and the main suit is still ongoing. When you factor in the cost of the police’s lawyers, we’re already well over a million dollars, and that’s without even thinking about final damages.

   But again, this isn’t real money, its taxpayer’s money. Those actually responsible for this abuse of power, from the police officers who authorised it and carried it up to John Key, who was ultimately responsible, won’t be paying a cent. And given past police practices, it is unlikely they will ever be held to account, despite abusing their powers and costing us a large amount of money.

   Important enough to post almost in it’s entirety. Looks like its going to be largely ignored by the MSM.

   http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/even-more-expensive.html
   • gsays 4.1

     14 December 2016 at 7:19 pm

     cheers anne, for highlighting this.

     kinda blows the myth about tories being good money managers/deal makers.
     like paying ‘moteliers’ $2,000+ a week to house a family.
     • weka 4.1.1

       14 December 2016 at 7:39 pm

       Post up now,

       https://thestandard.org.nz/nrt-even-more-expensive/
     • corokia 4.1.2

       14 December 2016 at 8:03 pm

       It’s good for the tories who own the motels. Same as the accomodation supplement, channels taxpayer money into landlord’s pockets
       • Draco T Bastard 4.1.2.1

         14 December 2016 at 10:19 pm

         And lets National blame the victims of their policies.
   • weka 4.2

     14 December 2016 at 7:24 pm

     Thanks Anne, I’ll put it up as a Notices and Features.
5. One Anonymous Bloke 5

   14 December 2016 at 7:47 pm

   The way the Dunedin Longitudinal Study has been in the news over the last few days rang alarm bells, and now I know why courtesy of The Hand Mirror.

   Herr Doktor Poulson no doubt has immunity from breaking his oath, but still…
   • Carolyn_nth 5.1

     14 December 2016 at 8:08 pm

     Thank you for the HT. Minority Report is what I thought of when I first read about this plan.

     Conflict of interest. Misuse of confidential info from MSD…. the surveillance state in all it’s cruelty.
   • Carolyn_nth 5.2

     14 December 2016 at 8:42 pm

     So Poulson said they asked the “anonymous participants’ approval before accessing their “personal government and medical data”.

     Also this self-contradictory bit from Poulson in the linked interview:

     You mention in the paper the risks of “stigmatising”. Partly given the headlines, and partly given the language that one inevitably slips into – you’ve just used the term “bad group” as a shorthand – those are real dangers, aren’t they, that we start sticking labels on three-year-olds?

     Indeed. We were at pains in the paper to point out that this is not part of something which justifies stigmatising or using pejoratives like I did as shorthand. Language does matter a great deal. I would talk about these people as vulnerable. It’s about identifying vulnerability early and providing extra support so they can acquire the skills to make a success of their lives.

     Also, I’m not keen on using research into brain functioning as though it was a static, unchanging thing. Environmental factors, experiences, etc can alter brain functioning.
     • One Anonymous Bloke 5.2.1

       15 December 2016 at 9:30 am

       Take the inevitable victims of inequality and poverty, call them “these people” and victimise them some more. Herr Doktor Poulson knows what’s best.
       • Carolyn_nth 5.2.1.1

         15 December 2016 at 9:33 am

         Agreed. Also, even talking about people struggling to survive in a cruel system as being “vulnerable”, shifts the focus from the shonkey system, to allegedly weak people.
         • One Anonymous Bloke 5.2.1.1.1

           15 December 2016 at 9:41 am

           Who must sit the Poulson test? Certainly not Allan Hawkins’ or Doug Graham’s kids….although it might be fun to develop a test for future fraudsters and white collar criminals.

           1. Parents associated with right wing politics?
           2. Size of amygdala.
           3. Trust fund?

           That sort of thing. Sauce for the goose, no?
           • weka 5.2.1.1.1.1

             15 December 2016 at 9:59 am

             It’s not actually a test though, is it. It’s a series of isolated medical tests that they’re then correlating with stats, is that right? Sorry, I’m not sure I can be bothered to read through it all to figure it out, but the idea that there is a test that can determine x should be knocked on the head if what they’re really looking at is connections rather than predetermination.

             The brain is plastic anyway, not set in stone at 3, so why aren’t they talking about these people at 3 will be affected in different ways over the next x years depending on what we do to them?
             • One Anonymous Bloke …

               15 December 2016 at 12:13 pm

               Why aren’t they talking about reducing inequality before re-victimising its victims?
   • The Chairman 5.3

     14 December 2016 at 8:47 pm

     A good read (The Hand Mirror link). Thanks for posting.
   • Incognito 5.4

     14 December 2016 at 11:12 pm

     The issue that is intrinsic (i.e. unavoidable) to all! binary diagnostic tests is the so-called false-positive rate or, simply put, the chance of false alarm. This is a well-known problem, e.g. in medical care when major decisions are made on the result of a test such breast amputation based on a gene test (cf. Angelina Jolie). The problem here is that adults can give well-informed consent but three-year olds cannot. So, what is the false-positive rate of Poulton’s ‘test’?
6. marty mars 6

   14 December 2016 at 8:50 pm

   hurtful and incorrect comments he made – not tolerated in today’s world

   “Massey University’s chancellor has resigned after a backlash to the ill-advised comments he made about female vets.”

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87553995/massey-university-chancellor-steps-down-following-negative-social-media-uproar
7. adam 7

   14 December 2016 at 8:56 pm

   It’s beyond time.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAe1p_zXtTs

   Living outside of the grid is the goal
   Misery lies at the heart of control…
   Dancing and playing to be with my kind
   Smoke, fuck and joke, I’m just passing the time
   Celebrations, demonstrations, debate
   Distorted music, my war surrogate

   No Wi-Fi soup
   Off the grid
   No more phones
   No drones
   Autonomous Zone
   Autonomous Zone

   Where lovers of freedom gather to laugh
   No heroes or icons, such values have passed
   Squat, grow a plot, pursue beauty instead
   Under the flag of the black and the red
   Speakers at breaking point, dance on the decks
   Letters go feral, options of wildness
   Dancing and laughing, high as a kite
   Anointed and animated all the night
   Cacophony, lovely ear-splitting noise
   With wild abandon, give freedom a voice
   Living outside of the grid is the goal
   Misery lies at the heart of control

   Killing Joke – Autonomous Zone Lyrics
8. Rosemary McDonald 8

   14 December 2016 at 9:42 pm

   Another article in MSM about the unwarranted attack on Wendy Shoebridge…who took her own life the day after being told that WINZ was prosecuting her for $22,000 benefit fraud.

   http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87541297/compassion-for-vulnerable-from-woman-who-died-after-false-fraud-accusation

   “She died without knowing who made the allegation against her, or that MSD later downgraded the amount it alleged she stole, from about $22,000 to $5500.

   It eventually found she had not committed any offence at all.

   More than five years on, coroner Anna Tutton​ and the lawyers and witnesses at a Wellington inquest heard of Shoebridge’s turmoil, and of a chaotic MSD office, in which staff were alleged to have performance targets based on prosecuting beneficiaries.

   The manager and investigator on her case barely spoke to each other, and the manager allegedly swore across the room at staff she disliked, the inquest heard.”

   There is regular slagging off of the media from both the left and the right…I think it is only fair that we commend those journalists who do try to do their job.
   • weka 8.1

     14 December 2016 at 10:33 pm

     “The manager said she was never told of the real risks to Shoebridge.”

     “More could be done […], to alert ministry staff when clients were known to be at risk of suicide.”

     Doesn’t matter what the manager was or wasn’t told. Treat all people with respect, because it’s the right thing to do, and because you are never going to be able to identify all the people you are dealing with who are vulnerable. Stop thinking that the system knows how to be human, it doesn’t, and it doesn’t matter if you put something in place that tells the dept who is a suicide risk, because you are still going to make mistakes when you treat people this way and miss the people that the system is incapable of identifying. And it’s not ok to treat people this way who are vulnerable but aren’t a suicide risk. Just stop what you are doing, and be a decent human being.
     • Rosemary McDonald 8.1.1

       15 December 2016 at 12:09 am

       “…be a decent human being.”

       I wonder if applicants for jobzatwinz have to take the turtle test? A fail means a pass….if you know what I mean.

       In the years on the Invalids Benefit and SLP (before the ascension to Sooper), my partner and I encountered only one recognisable human being in the local office.

       They had a real and genuine understanding of our particular situation, truly got the family carers issue (simply.. the Miserly of Health flicking responsibility for hands on disability care to MSD) …and I’d love to tell a lovely anecdote about them throwing us a much needed lifeline, but the government employees who must monitor sites like this will probably have this person fired for having a client leave a WINZ office in a better state of mind than when they entered.

       Don’t panic government surveiller …if it balances the books, the last time we left the WINZ office the pair if us were in tears.;-)
     • North 8.1.2

       15 December 2016 at 8:14 am

       Thank you so much Weka @ 8.1……the very approach my dear Mum and Dad started recommending to me so far back I can’t remember quite when. Very grateful to them.
   • Draco T Bastard 8.2

     14 December 2016 at 10:35 pm

     More than five years on, coroner Anna Tutton​ and the lawyers and witnesses at a Wellington inquest heard of Shoebridge’s turmoil, and of a chaotic MSD office, in which staff were alleged to have performance targets based on prosecuting beneficiaries.

     If that’s the case then the manager needs to be convicted of murder.
     • Molly 8.2.1

       14 December 2016 at 10:55 pm

       Would the new bullying legislation come into play in this case?
9. Muttonbird 9

   14 December 2016 at 10:49 pm

   Here are the fruits of Bill’s famous social investment approach. What do you get when social housing is privatised? Arsehole landlords.

   http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/tamaki-housing-dumps-brothers-property-after-dad-dies-2016121421

   http://www.housing.msd.govt.nz/housing-options/social-housing/tamaki.html
10. Peter Swift 10

    15 December 2016 at 1:39 am

    Philippines’ Duterte admits personally killing suspects

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-38311655

    “In Davao I used to do it personally. Just to show to the guys [police] that if I can do it why can’t you,” he said.

    “And I’d go around in Davao with a motorcycle, with a big bike around, I would just patrol the streets, looking for trouble also. I was really looking for a confrontation so I could kill.”

    Spin that, trumpz numptz lol
    • HDCAFriendlyTroll 10.1

      15 December 2016 at 7:54 am

      If I was Trump I would condemn Duterte as much as he condemned Castro.

      A lot of people are praising Duterte because he’s going after drug dealers and addicts. The thing is though is that thugs like Duterte don’t stop.

      Let’s say that we in NZ elect a government that promises to go after pedophiles. And they do – arresting and killing anybody even suspected of being pedophile. No judges, no trials, no nothing. Just a bullet to the head. And the government justifies it by saying it has to take draconian measures to protect our children.

      And everyone agrees because who wants to be seen protecting pedophiles, right?

      Then after all the pedophiles have been killed (and a lot more who weren’t) the government says it’s now going after homosexuals and lesbians because society must be protected from deviant sexual behaviour.

      The people are opposed but it’s too late because we’ve already given the government a mandate to act.

      This is what is happening and will happen in the Phillipines.

      Whether pedophile, druggie, dealer, or whatever everyone has the right to equality before the law for a reason.

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