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Daily review 16/10/2019

Written By: - Date published: 5:30 pm, October 16th, 2019 - 27 comments
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27 comments on “Daily review 16/10/2019”

  1. A 1

    Anyone following Project Veritas #exposeCNN?  Looks like CNN is driving to have Trump impeached…  specifically Jeff Zucker who has a personal beef against Trump. 

    Given the US is a bit of a powder keg in some regions if nothing else it is irresponsible regardless of what Trump is or isn't.

    • Robert Guyton 2.1

      Wayne? Our Wayne??blush

      • Anne 2.1.1

        Robert did you get back onto the Dunedin Council? I've missed a bit of TS since Saturday.

        • Robert Guyton

          Hi Anne. Yes, mostly sure but that'll be officially confirmed tomorrow. I'm pretty determined to continue on the council of Environment Southland, where I've been agitating for the past 9 years wink The next 3 will be the most important, imo and I'm not going to be backward about being forward.

          • weka

            good news, on both counts! What’s your thinking about the next three years being the most important?

            • Robert Guyton

              Extinction Rebellion actions, escalating climate effects, central government actions in response to both, clean water legislation, farmer reactions, rapid changes to farming world-wide generally a shift from centralised authority/influence to the grass-roots and the turmoil that will create. All in the next 3 years devil

    • gsays 2.2

      On Wednesday, I wonder if Mapp will go full Sgt. Schultz. 

      • Anne 2.2.1

        I think his turn at the font (so to speak) is on Friday. I'm expecting him to go "I knoooow nooothing".

        • Ngungukai

          Sloppy paperwork and audit trails by the sound of it ?

          All the digital documents should be on back up storage facilities somewhere I would presume ?

      • lprent 2.2.2

        In my opinion that is unlikely.

        While I disagree with ‘Wayne’ a lot over interpretation of facts and trends, I haven’t noticed that he is given to distorting facts or trends for his convenience or the convenience of others. I suspect that he will state exactly what he knows and what he is sure about.

        Incidentally, I trust both Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson in exactly the same way. Which makes questions about the centre(s) of the differing accounts of Operation Burnham so interesting. And some of the deliberate misuse of state intelligence resources looks quite appalling.

        It looks like there was something pretty weird with information flows going on.

        • Anne


          I agree with you re-Wayne. In his willingness to debate with us over issues he invariably knows plenty about – even if he's looking at them from a different standpoint to most of us – he does not indulge in hyperbole or dishonest rhetoric. It is likely he was misinformed in the same way as others appear to have been.

          From my cursory following of the story it looks to me that it all comes back on the American back-up resources during Operation Burnham. I refer to the misfiring of the helicopter artillery which was the likely cause of the civilian deaths. A former senior NZ military officer was shown the document relating to this incident, but was only allowed to read a very small section of it. This suggests to me that is where the cover-up began and for some reason yet to be determined, a few of our senior military brass saw fit to support the Americans' attempt to keep the truth under wraps.

          Yep, it's only speculation but……..

        • gsays

          Hey perhaps, and maybe I am painting him with the brush that NZDF chose to wave at Stephenson and Hager

          The inquiry has the feel of ending up being a whitewash (to push a metaphor a bit far ). The until recently, missing register, is making evidence given by senior officials- amongst them Keating and Mateparae look very convenient.

  2. Australian Gangs here in NZ this copper hit the nail on the head, time to start taking these guys seriously they are here for one purpose only and that is making money through drugs, fear and intimidation IMHO ?


    • David Mac 3.1

      Hmm.. when utube searching them they aren't concealing the establishment of satellite chapters in South East Asia. Why on earth would key Aussie gang members be establishing street leverage up there? Bet they aren't in the Philippines.

      Hopefully the difference between these guys and the Mafia is that Comanchero etc tentacles don't reach right through our Police/Public Service etc. The cop being interviewed had been approached. Influence over the Police must be coveted. Don't need to go the jail-term ridden and media noise path of violence against the competition, just quietly assist the cops in systematically busting them out of business. The cops would be seizing assets every second week, they'd be media rock stars.

      The NSW Police force was pretty rotten not so long ago…long may ours appear to be a relatively tight ship.


  3. A 4

    New anti terror legislation..seems logical

  4. joe90 5

    Breakbone fever, courtesy of us.


    KATHMANDU, Nepal — When mosquito season brought past dengue outbreaks to regions across the Asian tropics, Nepal hardly had to worry. The high-altitude Himalayan country was typically too chilly for the disease-carrying insects to live. But with climate change opening new paths for the viral disease, Nepal is now reeling from an unprecedented outbreak.

    At least 9,000 people — from 65 of Nepal’s 77 districts — have been diagnosed with dengue since August, including six patients who have died, according to government health data.


    And worldwide, it’s only going to get worse, according to a study published June 10 in Nature Microbiology. In that work, researchers built a map of global dengue distribution in 2015, and then predicted how climate change as well as socioeconomic and population trends would make new areas suitable for dengue transmission. By 2050, those areas would include cities in coastal China and Japan, southern Africa and the southeastern United States, epidemiologist Janey Messina at the University of Oxford and her colleagues find.


  5. joe90 6

    Does Tucker nail it, again?

  6. joe90 7

    But her emails.



    He’d have us believe that this is a campaign promise kept: an America First foreign policy that refuses to risk American blood or waste U.S. dollars in the Middle East.

    “Now,” he claims, “we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home.”

    But it isn’t so.

    Take it from the Pentagon reporter at Fox News, who reports, “Since May, U.S. forces have increased in Middle East by ~14,000 … There are currently more than 60,000 U.S. troops deployed to various countries and aboard warships.”

    In another tweet, Trump declared, “The Endless Wars Must End!” To which a noninterventionist congressman, Justin Amash, retorted, “Then we’ll need a new president who will end them. President Trump has had nearly three years to end them and has done zero. He keeps sending more troops to the Middle East … He vetoed legislation that would have limited U.S. involvement in the Yemen war.”


  7. swordfish 8

    Here's an interesting possibility I've been mulling over with the latest Colmar Brunton.

    It's quite possible that despite enjoying an apparent swing, support for the Nats / Oppo Bloc may in fact have remained static or even dipped slightly.

    Nothing to do with the usual humdrum caveat around sampling error – with the swings being within margin of error territory.

    No … what's important here is the unusual surge in the Undecideds – the combined Don't Knows/Refuseniks up 5 points from 13% to 18%. An increase of that size rarely happens (except during Election campaigns).

    If these switchers into Undecided territory came largely / disproportionately from erstwhile Labour supporters (which I think is a real possibility) … then Nat / Oppo support hasn't actually increased at all … their stable (or even slightly diminished) support simply comprising  a larger slice of a suddenly smaller-than-usual pie.

    Pure speculation … but if that is what's happened then it's clearly not so bad for Labour – it means those who have deserted haven't quite been able to bring themselves to cross that crucial political dividing line between Left & Right … and history suggests they're therefore much more likely to return to Labour during Election year (former Nat supporters during the first term Bolger Govt are a particularly good example of that).

    Here's TVNZ's Jessica Mutch McKay:reporting on the Poll:

    But Ardern's also had the accusations of misconduct and sexual assault by a Labour staffer to deal with. Digging into the numbers, Labour lost votes from middle aged women suggesting the issue didn't play well with them.

    So did a minority of this specific demographic move decisively into Undecided territory ? … thus generating a swing to the Nats that turns out to be more apparent than real ?



    • Sacha 8.1

      Thank you. Covering a swing away from one big party only as a swing towards the other one is a hallmark of our lazy FPP journalism.

      • greywarshark 8.1.1

        That's NZ for you, and possibly other societies.   Swing one way too far, then back as a reaction, then… We haven't learned anything since Roger Miller sang the original song in 1965, inspiring this below.

        [NZ] swings like a pendulum do,
        Bobbies on bicycles? two by two,
        Christchurch Cathedral, the State we had then,
        The hopeful cries of the little children.

  8. NZ is supposed to be run like a business under neolib.   We borrow money all the time.    Yet we are not as rich as Graeme Hunt, and didnt he start with government selloffs as the pollies skipped through the tulips to sell us down the river?


    The deals were largely funded through debt, with Hart taking advantage of the slump in global interest rates by selling junk bonds to create the world's second-biggest food and drink packaging investor behind Sweden's Tetra Laval. Annual revenue peaked at US$13.97b in 2013, a year when Reynolds Group's total borrowings were at US$17.94b. That's been whittled down to US$11b.

    Reynolds Group sold SIG in 2015 for €3.6b and in 2017 it sold the Closure and Graham businesses in Asia for US$99m.

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