Daily review 17/06/2020

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1. adam 1

   17 June 2020 at 5:39 pm

   Who wants a holiday in Brazil?

   Mind you you could just get yourself arrested for conspiracy for helping feed people.

   Oh what a wonderful world we live in.
2. Cricklewood 2

   17 June 2020 at 5:46 pm

   I really hope Woodhouse was full of shit today…

   If not charges need to be laid for endangering public health.

   Covid getting a toehold again through officials fucking up will be very damaging to the govt…
   • weka 2.1

     17 June 2020 at 6:18 pm

     charges against who?
     • observer 2.1.1

       17 June 2020 at 6:20 pm

       Against Michael Woodhouse? For knowing about the (alleged) close contact with the virus but doing nothing about it.
       • lilman 2.1.1.1

         17 June 2020 at 10:24 pm

         Why charge Woodhouse? He didnt let them leave,he didnt lie that they went straight too Wellington without stopping.

         Now the Army call is in question,apparently it was on the cards last week.

         PM and other wont front tonight,can they be more hopeless?
         • observer 2.1.1.1.1

           17 June 2020 at 11:19 pm

           You guys are hilarious! It's satire, I guess (although you can't even see a joke, so maybe not).

           "PM won't front" … except the press conference, media Qs, answering Qs in parliament, and so on.

           But when she gives the press conferences you complain that she fronts. "Always on TV, wah wah …".

           Be honest. You are delighted that there's been a stuff-up, even if people have to get sick to cheer you up. All the good news was getting you down.
     • Cricklewood 2.1.2

       17 June 2020 at 6:36 pm

       The two involved IF it can be shown that they breached the conditions around their travel arrangements and they mislead govt officials about their journey.

       Mistakes were made but IF they misled the health officials about their journey that delay could have grevious consequences. To me that would equate to endangering public health.
       • Cricklewood 2.1.2.1

         17 June 2020 at 6:56 pm

         Seem to be more stories coming out about people leaving quarantine early without being tested… not good.
         • Paddington 2.1.2.1.1

           17 June 2020 at 9:01 pm

           https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/06/coronavirus-another-ministry-of-health-botch-up-as-group-of-10-let-out-of-quarantine-early-to-attend-burial.html
       • weka 2.1.2.2

         17 June 2020 at 10:00 pm

         Woodhouse is full of shit irrespective of what happened.

         NZ wanted looser rules, they got them. I'm not sure going hard against the two women makes sense given it's not just them. Better to sort the system problems and put some better messaging out around what will happen going forward. Hard to punish citizens if the govt is messing up too.
     • bwaghorn 2.1.3

       18 June 2020 at 7:18 am

       We threw the book at the dick head who coffed in a supermarket, fuck these to selfish arseholes charge them.
       • weka 2.1.3.1

         18 June 2020 at 11:10 pm

         fair point.
3. joe90 3

   17 June 2020 at 5:58 pm

   TFW your complaint alleging Bolton is going to publish classified information in his book includes a declaration that the book contains no classified information.

   https://twitter.com/BoutrousTed/status/1273009590750216195
   • Ad 3.1

     17 June 2020 at 7:53 pm

     The most powerful Twitter-generator in the world just advertised Bolton's book worldwide as the books were being shipped.

     His former employer is showering him with publicity all the way to the bank.

     Looks like Trump is rewarding Bolton for not testifying.
4. observer 4

   17 June 2020 at 6:23 pm

   The zeitgeist, summed up …

   Newshub carries several stories about possible breaches of Covid-19 quarantine.

   Next, Newshub carries a story about how great it would be to have lots of students coming to Queenstown, for quarantine. Boost the economy!

   Yep.
5. Cinny 5

   17 June 2020 at 6:25 pm

   nick smith aka dr custard, is officially campaigning and his catch phrase is..'a good MP' he took out a full page ad in a couple of our free weekly community papers.

   If that didn't make me roar with laughter, the turn out at his campaign launch did… bugger all people compared to past launches, mostly 70+.

   I'm predicting he will lose his seat this time round, it's been a long time coming but it is time.

   https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/121830581/economic-recovery-defining-issue-for-2020-election-says-nick-smith
6. observer 6

   17 June 2020 at 6:36 pm

   21 new Covid cases today in Victoria.

   Time for our regular reminder that the problems we've been focusing on are lapses in quarantine. So if we catch 95% of cases but miss 5%, that's definitely bad.

   Whereas … a trans-Tasman bubble has NO quarantine. Arrive, walk out of the airport, it's done. So we miss 100%.

   Call me crazy, but that seems a wee bit worse.
   • weka 6.1

     17 June 2020 at 10:01 pm

     are people suggesting a trans Tasman open border with no quarantine before Australia eliminates covid? How are they rationalising that?
     • observer 6.1.1

       17 June 2020 at 10:13 pm

       There's a scientific case (not political grandstanding) made here.

       But it all comes back to the same point (and I know I go on about it!). In NZ we can have EITHER

       – what we have now, almost no internal requirements, but closed borders

       OR

       – major changes to our behaviour and rules (as the linked article outlines), and some limited opening of borders.

       The fantasy that the cheerleaders on the Right are peddling is that we can have our cake and eat it. It's shamefully dishonest.
       • weka 6.1.1.1

         17 June 2020 at 11:16 pm

         What would be the major changes to our behaviour in scenario 2? I thought it was just the people coming in that had to wear masks and be tested?

         The risk assessment is interesting. It's still possible that we would have a major outbreak in the first month of that right? Chance is an odd way to look at things.
         • observer 6.1.1.1.1

           17 June 2020 at 11:29 pm

           People like Michael Baker have been pushing for masks to be the norm, as in some Asian countries. But it's not really something that can be policed, it's about habit more than compulsion, and that takes longer.

           There are cultural and legal issues at play here, it's harder to change long-term mindsets than short-term rules. Would Kiwis adapt to living with the virus, or stick with "she'll be right"? I dunno.
7. anker 7

   17 June 2020 at 6:42 pm

   Please no bubble with Australia. We would be mad to do that. That is my only hope of something good coming out of this latest case.
   • observer 7.1

     17 June 2020 at 6:50 pm

     I agree. In fact I think quite a lot of good might come out of it.

     After a month of feeling virus-free complacency had set in. It's been jolted.

     A lot of the media coverage has overlooked the basic point that these women were NZ residents (or citizens), coming home. We have to keep letting them back in (and quarantine them properly, of course).

     We certainly don't have to bring in a lot of other people, as well. Politicians demanding that will not be getting many votes.
   • Cinny 7.2

     17 June 2020 at 7:59 pm

     +100%

     IMO If any bubbles happen, the first should be with the pacific islands, to help the RSE workers.
8. anker 8

   17 June 2020 at 7:18 pm

   Observer I do agree. But I think many people have some responsibility for this f..k up.

   Firstly the nursing staff or whoever was supervising the people in quarantine. They need to be told "today you are having your test" and then give it to them. They needed to ask the right questions. The women themselves………who really believes that it didn't occur to to the one with asthma symptoms that she should have wondered if its covid. Through out the last three months off and on I had a dry cough, a running nose, sneezing. All the time it went through my mind that it could be covid. Wasn't worried as such as was isolating with my nearest and dearest. But when it came time to enter level two and we had a big family occasion and I still had those symptoms, I got a test. Also did they lie about the rendevous revealed by Michael Woodhouse?
   Oh and livid about the guy who took the Govt to court and got this a court granted exemption. He. has a lot to answer for.

   STILL REALLY LIVID
   • Andre 8.1

     17 June 2020 at 7:53 pm

     I had my say in yesterday's Open Mike so I'm not going to wind myself up again today rehashing it. Look there if you want a hint at how filthy I was (and still am) about our system releasing the two women.

     But I'm inclined to be a lot more sympathetic to the guy that wanted the exemption to go see his dying father while his father was still alive. Firstly, there's a time-critical element that's just not present with the two women at issue right now who traveled after their parent's death. He was also completely symptom-free, pushing to be tested, and looking for anything else he could do to minimise the risk should he be given an exemption. Those elements were at least partly lacking with the two women.
9. satty 9

   17 June 2020 at 8:42 pm

   Looks like the two COVID women from the UK are serial liars…

   I trust the government puts them into mandatory quarantine (prison?) now, as they can’t be trusted, start legal actions against the pair and takes them to court as soon as as they’re out of quarantine.
10. anker 10

    17 June 2020 at 8:48 pm

    Yeah pretty disgusted with their utter stupity
    • lilman 10.1

      17 June 2020 at 10:27 pm

      Dont blame the ladies for getting out.

      This is a Government fiasco and the PM has to front up.
      • observer 10.1.1

        17 June 2020 at 11:32 pm

        You must deliberately avoid the media all day if you think the PM doesn't "front up".
11. Fireblade 11

    17 June 2020 at 9:17 pm

    Media release from the Ministry of Health.

    Update on journey between Auckland and Wellington of the recent confirmed cases of COVID-19.

    https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/update-journey-between-auckland-and-wellington-recent-confirmed-cases-covid-19
    • Anne 11.1

      17 June 2020 at 9:54 pm

      Now there is a responsible and compassionate review of what happened. Pity the MSM can't seem able to aspire to that standard of reporting.

      Thanks Fireblade.
12. Anker 12

    17 June 2020 at 10:17 pm

    Thanks Anne. I have to temper my fury about this. But I do think they need to take some responsibility for it. Surely no one travels from somewhere like the uk without considering they pose some risk. Why did they need to have physical contact with the friends who helped them find their way. We all stayed distant from love ones for four weeks…..
    • Anne 12.1

      17 June 2020 at 11:40 pm

      If your'e feeling desperate, frightened and stressed out you don't think straight. I went down that road 25 years ago and I can look back now and appreciate my brain was not properly functioning. I think these sisters are going through the same sort of ordeal and I feel for them. It isn't helping they are being accused of lying and dishonesty. It just makes their situation a lot worse than it already is.

      That's what I have taken away from the story and I know they will heal. Old Father Time is good that way.
13. adam 13

    17 June 2020 at 11:21 pm

    Oh look Alexander Downer pushing more shitfuckery.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCf34LkvYI0

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