Daily review 20/07/2021

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1. Byd0nz 1

   20 July 2021 at 6:24 pm

   Like the words of the song line. 'Here we go again '
   The five eyes spy ring squeal and cry in vain again. Are they then, acknowledging that China and Russia are far way superior in cyber technology, leaving the West useless and unable to defend themselves.
   Or are they continuing with their info cold war against these perceived enemies to deflect their own cyber attacks and leaks from the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

   It's just as valid to accuse Israel as being behind international hacking rather than Chiina or Russia.
   I don't buy into 5 eyes at any level.
2. georgecom 2

   20 July 2021 at 7:10 pm

   the wowser nanny state party puts out it's law and order policy today.

   so what can we expect from ACT?

   Nannystatist wowserism, no spending your benefit on booze or tobacco, backed up by a costly bureaucracy to police it

   and some complex bureaucratic 'injunction's police can take out against a gang member which they will simply ignore but which will suck up valuable police time and resources that should be spent on the front line taking guns and assets off the gangs.

   more nanny state, more costly bureaucracy
3. Byd0nz 3

   20 July 2021 at 7:55 pm

   On Nanny State.

   What is more natural than a Nanny,
   Where would the world be without them,
   Most cultures revere their Nannies,
   Always there, comforting.
   So, What!
   You dont like your grannie,
   Your mammies mammie,
   The one that loved you so,
   And rubbed your sore wee tummie.
   So why, does it scare some folk,
   About a Nanny state,
   Or have they been misinformed by others',
   Who make profit from your poor fate.
   We should have our own nanny state,
   To care for us through life,
   To succour our expressive minds,
   And to ward off future strife.
4. greywarshark 4

   20 July 2021 at 8:08 pm

   The Nanny State gets taken for granted, but just compare it to the present which is more like the USA flim flam about standing tall and being independent. They started their country off with slaves, how independent is that. And when they changed from slavery they persecuted black people. How noble is that.

   We have done a trifle better, and one of the things that we did do is to set up a welfare state. It was all right, needed some more inter-community give back but not cheapened to the stage where people have murdered the so called welfare clerks who are encouraged to achieve the opposite.

   And people now are set on a downward spiral, not assisted and encouraged to be keen to make their own place in their own house and upwardly mobile in society.
5. KSaysHi 5

   20 July 2021 at 8:37 pm

   With NZ military personnel being shunted towards vaccination, please take a read of this from a US Navy officer. He makes some very good points that we should hope the NZ armed forces have considered.

   Earlier in the article we find 26 US military personnel out of over 200K who contracted covid have died.

   I defy you to find a group of 2 million US adults at lower risk from COVID. It doesn’t exist. We are overwhelmingly young, fit, and free of comorbidities. Compared to other causes of death, COVID isn’t even on the radar.

   Between 2006 and 2021, roughly 400 service members died annually of accidents. 300 committed suicide. More than 200 died of random illnesses and injuries.

   Over 1,000 service members were killed on motorcycles between 1999 and 2012, yet we still permit their use.

   Beyond the laughably insignificant threat posed by COVID to the force, consider the aggressively unintelligent plan to expose the entire force to a drug with zero long-term safety data.

   What if there are short-, mid-, and long-term negative effects? Who will defend the nation once the entire force is compromised?

   There’s a reason drug trials always contain a control group, yet the political appointees and Flag and General Officers running our military seem perfectly willing to potentially jeopardize 100% of the force in the name of political agreeability.
   • Anne 5.1

     20 July 2021 at 9:05 pm

     Beyond the laughably insignificant threat posed by COVID to the force, consider the aggressively unintelligent plan to expose the entire force to a drug with zero long-term safety data.

     His ignorance is frighteningly profound. Millions have died and millions are falling sick with Covid on a daily basis. And if you you think a right-wing US bandit soldier knows more about vaccines than the scientists then you've got big problems.

     Do you think that the best scientists from around the world are going to dump a vaccine on the masses – and themselves – without having conducted multiple trials to ensure their safety and efficacy and then and only then make them available for mass inoculation in a bid to overcome the worst pandemic in modern history?
     Because if you do then you are ignorant too.

     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR35ZFiRZJ8tyBCwazX2N-k7yJjZOLDQiZSA_MsJAfdK74s8f2a_Dgx4iVk
     • Incognito 5.1.1

       20 July 2021 at 9:21 pm

       https://www.jpost.com/health-science/idf-coronavirus-vaccinations-makes-us-the-first-army-with-herd-immunity-661697

       They must be lying, right?
       • KSaysHi 5.1.1.1

         21 July 2021 at 12:12 pm

         From the article above:

         It is estimated that about 8% of army personnel refuse to get vaccinated. Among them are pregnant women, people who can’t be vaccinated due to health reasons, and those who are ideologically against it.

         ….and they are still in the army. They have compulsory service so maybe that factored into the decision not to make vaccination with Pfizer mRNA compulsory.
     • Drowsy M. Kram 5.1.2

       20 July 2021 at 9:24 pm

       Agreed Anne, frankly unbelievable ignorance on matters medical. Hope the US navy officer in question has a better grasp of military matters. The author of the article that KSaysHi linked to provided this brief autobiography:

       Kari Donovan
       Kari is an ex-Community Organizer who writes about Voter Engagement, Cultural Marxism and Campaigns. She has been a grassroots volunteer with the GOP, on and off for 18 years. She is a Homeschool Mom in North Carolina and loves Photojournalism and Citizen Journalism.

       Not sure if Donovan has any medical training/expertise.
       • Shanreagh 5.1.2.1

         20 July 2021 at 9:32 pm

         If you run your cursor over the words please take a read of this in ksayshi then there is a link.
         • Drowsy M. Kram 5.1.2.1.1

           20 July 2021 at 9:47 pm

           Found it – thanks.
       • mac1 5.1.2.2

         20 July 2021 at 11:23 pm

         What is 'citizen journalism'? it seems to be a practice where amateurs get involved in news creation and dissemination. Now what could that lead to?

         Seemingly, Kari Donovan knows nothing about the ethics and practice of both medicine and journalism.
       • mac1 5.1.2.3

         20 July 2021 at 11:29 pm

         Indeed, what is 'cultural marxism' which our citizen journalism-loving Kari Donovan writes about?

         I didn't know and had to google it. It's a right wing anti-semitic conspiracy theory. Any alarm bells ringing yet?
   • Rosemary McDonald 5.2

     20 July 2021 at 11:40 pm

     There is history with the US Military forcing vaccines on to it's troops. And despite efforts to ensure otherwise, the unfortunate experiment that was the Anthrax vaccine ended up in court…

     Colonel Felix Grieder suspended the vaccination program and later said that the vaccines provided at DAFB contained squalene, a substance known to cause the side effects experienced by soldiers at Dover. Squalene was used to increase the effectiveness of vaccines [6]. A survey completed by members of one unit at DAFB who had been vaccinated showed a much higher-than-average incidence of more serious side effects (32 percent), such as severe joint pain, memory loss, and arthritis, than those experienced at other military installations.

     Due to myriad problems cited by those vaccinated, and the military's continued insistence that the vaccine was safe, the United States General Accounting Office (GAO) performed its own survey of National Guard and Army Reserve members [7]. The results of the GAO survey were consistent with the survey performed at DAFB: the rate of adverse events was significantly higher than what was stated in the vaccine product insert [7].

     The court's order in Doe v. Rumsfeld established a public record about the vaccine and its history. The vaccine that the Department of Defense was attempting to require through its AVIP was "intended solely for immunization of high-risk of exposure industrial populations such as individuals who contract imported animal hides, furs, bone meal, wool, hair and bristles" along with "laboratory investigators handling the organism" [12]. This vaccination was meant solely for a limited high-risk population, not the widespread inoculation envisioned by the AVIP.

     AVIP Today

     Although the AVIP was enjoined in 2004, that court order did not mark the end of the program. In 2005, the injunction was modified at the request of the government [13]. The FDA had not yet approved the vaccine for its intended use, but a law was enacted in 2004 that permitted "Emergency Use Authorization," which allows unapproved use of a drug by the military based on a determination of a military emergency involving a heightened risk of attack with a biological agent.

     When there is opposition to a particular program, especially one which we are told is vitally necessary for the survival of the human race, it makes sense to go and try and find out from whence this opposition originated. Simply assuming that those reluctant to participate are "ignorant" is simply lazy.

     There are a few more aspects of the vaccine roll out in the US we might want to consider.

     With the ridiculously high number of deaths from Covid in the US and the many folks debilitated with Long Covid you'd think that, just like in NZ, they'd be clambering over each other to get to the front of the Vaccine Queue.

     Yet despite the body count and the permanently foobarred and the incentives on offer… in the US, just like other jurisdictions quick off the mark to get those Warp Speed shots into peoples arms, getting that 'fully vaccinated' tally over 60% is proving a tad of a challenge. We need to be asking ourselves why this is.

     And some are quite rightfully concerned about the very disturbing push to vaccinate young children with what are essentially experimental products.

     Covid-19 vaccines for children: hypothetical benefits to adults do not outweigh risks to children

     First, the disease in children is commonly mild, and serious sequelae remain rare. Despite “long covid” recently garnering increased attention, two large studies in children show that prolonged symptoms are uncommon and overall similar or milder in children testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 compared to those with symptoms from other respiratory viruses. The US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) estimates put the infection fatality rate from covid-19 among children 0 to 17 years old at 20 per 1,000,000. Hospitalization rates are also very low, and have likely been overestimated. .

     In the clinical trial underlying the authorization of Pfizer-BioNTech’s mRNA vaccine in children aged 12 to 15, of the close to 1000 children who received placebo, 16 tested positive for covid-19, compared to none in the fully vaccinated group. Given this low incidence, the fact that covid-19 is generally asymptomatic or mild in children, and the high rate of adverse events in those vaccinated (e.g. in Pfizer’s trial of 12-15 year olds, 3 in 4 kids had fatigue and headaches, around half had chills and muscle pain, and around 1 in 4 to 5 had a fever and joint pain), a comparison of quality-adjusted life-years in the trial would very much favour the placebo group.

     In terms of the risk of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from children to adults, this is also low and decreasing, though not negligible. School teachers are more likely to get SARS-CoV-2 from other adults than they are from their students.

     There is no need to rush to vaccinate children against covid-19—the vast majority stands little to benefit, and it is ethically dubious to pursue a hypothetical protection of adults while exposing children to harms, known and unknown.

     https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/13/covid-19-vaccines-for-children-hypothetical-benefits-to-adults-do-not-outweigh-risks-to-children/

     [reformated and link posted in clear for clarity. The comment got caught in spam due to too many links. The first cut and paste is too long. We prefer shorter cut and pastes and people to explain in their own words, and this will lessen the links. Sometimes a longer cut and paste is needed, but not often – weka]
     • weka 5.2.1

       21 July 2021 at 9:38 am

       mod note Rosemary.
       • Rosemary McDonald 5.2.1.1

         21 July 2021 at 10:23 am

         Thanks for that. The hour 'twas late…
6. Anne 6

   20 July 2021 at 11:08 pm

   “I’m a naval officer who’s spent the last 15 years on active duty. I’m now potentially facing forcible discharge if I won’t submit to taking the COVID vaccine. Here’s a thread on just what a scandal that is….

   That's all I need to read. Living in denial. He will be taken of 'active duty' for sure.

   Hope he catches the laughably insignificant threat posed by Covid.
   • weka 6.1

     21 July 2021 at 9:40 am

     please don't wish harm on people like this, it takes online communities to bad places.
     • Anne 6.1.1

       21 July 2021 at 10:02 am

       Well, he thinks its a "laughably insignificant threat" and in doing so, he's happy to wish harm on other people . What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

       [it may be, just not on this site. I’m not asking, I’m saying you can’t wish harm on specific people like this. It leads to nasty shit and ultimately death threats. – weka]
       • weka 6.1.1.1

         21 July 2021 at 10:08 am

         mod note.
       • weka 6.1.1.2

         21 July 2021 at 10:14 am

         Exhibit A. Of course many people, including progressives belief that JKR deserves to get death threats, but this simply means that everyone is open to such. And in those high tensions, high publicity situations, at some point it becomes real not just a thread.

         https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1417031300498829315

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