Daily Review 20/04/2015

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1. mickysavage 1

   20 April 2015 at 5:39 pm

   Key repeated the lie this morning that Hager had stolen information and that it was not true in any event. All at the same time. He really must be relying on the stupid gullible part of the electorate.

   It was about then that my tourettes kicked in again …

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20175346/pm-says-parents-concerned-about-isis-recruitment-should-contact-police

   Then this afternoon he said that, I kid you not, there was no problem with Auckland’s housing market because prices continue to rise so obviously the market is working.

   Time for bout two of my tourettes …
   • Karen 1.1

     20 April 2015 at 6:13 pm

     What really gets me is that journalists never ask Key which of Hager’s claims are untrue. Right through “Dirty Politics” Key kept saying most of the material in the book had been shown to be wrong, and no journalist ever followed up with “what has been shown to be false, Mr Key?’
   • Murray Rawshark 1.2

     20 April 2015 at 6:14 pm

     Tourette’s is the appropriate response. He’s an arrogant, lying, dissembling, illiterate piece of shit. The only thing bigger than his ability to lie is his smug ego which leaves him so self-satisfied about fooling mugs like Fizzy and Wayne. Asked about reports in the Chinese media and a statement by a New Zealand Chinese representative, he accuses the interviewer of making assumptions. He cannot answer questions. There is something wrong with the bloke. Badly bloody wrong.
     • Hanswurst 1.2.1

       20 April 2015 at 7:36 pm

       The only thing bigger than his ability to lie […]

       I wouldn’t say there was much evidence that he has any great ability when it comes to lying. A great propensity, yes, but that’s something different.
       • Murray Rawshark 1.2.1.1

         20 April 2015 at 7:52 pm

         His ability to lie badly? With the way Kiwis believe his bullshit, I’m surprised half our GDP hasn’t been sent offshore to Nigerian princes.
         • Hanswurst 1.2.1.1.1

           20 April 2015 at 8:12 pm

           Indeed. The reason why the present government has connected so well with the electorate for so long is because John Key’s ability to lie is matched only by the incisive nature of his questioning by the media and the relentnessness of their probing into his statements and intentions.
         • Tracey 1.2.1.1.2

           21 April 2015 at 9:48 am

           His ability to get away with lying?
     • Stephanie Rodgers 1.2.2

       21 April 2015 at 10:25 am

       Tourette’s is a legitimate, serious condition which does not always manifest in swearing. It doesn’t need to be cheapened by using it to refer to deliberate expressions of anger.

       (This goes for micky and Anne as well, I just replied to the first comment I noticed while skimming the page.)
       • Murray Rawshark 1.2.2.1

         21 April 2015 at 1:21 pm

         Thank you for the lesson in health science.
       • Anne 1.2.2.2

         21 April 2015 at 6:52 pm

         That’s a rather petulant contribution Stephanie Rodgers. Micky’s comments were harmless ‘tongue in cheek’ and so were mine. No attempt to undermine the possible “seriousness” of the condition. As for the “swearing” bit… I doubt micky was referring any more to swearing (that one is news to me anyway) than I was.

         Lighten up a tad and enjoy some light-hearted humour eh…
   • McFlock 1.3

     20 April 2015 at 6:14 pm

     bout two reminds me of Shipley talking about rising unemployment, desperately repeating the mantra “the market will correct itself”…
     It did. When Labour started running the economy.
   • Anne 1.4

     20 April 2015 at 6:45 pm

     I really am getting very concerned about the frequency of your “tourettes” attacks mickysavage, but wikipedia tells me that :

     Extreme Tourette’s in adulthood is a rarity (oh dear) and Tourette’s does not adversely affect intelligence or life expectancy. (Thank goodness.)

     Of that we can be truly grateful because I suspect over the next two and a half years these attacks are going to occur and even more frequent intervals. However there is a good chance that after 2017 they will return to a more manageable level. We must be thankful for small mercies.
   • Olwyn 1.5

     20 April 2015 at 6:54 pm

     He does the same thing whenever he thinks he might be challenged – he throws out this great heap of lies, weird analogies and general, incoherent verbiage. The strategy seems intended to confuse and obscure, so that no clear link can be formed between the questions he is asked and his responses to them.
     • Hanswurst 1.5.1

       20 April 2015 at 7:39 pm

       So why don’t the media and people in general do less in the way of trying to analyse what he might mean, and simply highlight the fact that much of what he says is complete and utter nonsense?
       • Olwyn 1.5.1.1

         20 April 2015 at 9:19 pm

         I think they just resign themselves to the fact that they are not going to get a straight answer from him. Kim Hill did a sterling job of keeping her questions on track this morning, but to little avail when he was just going to maintain his spiel whatever she asked.
         • felix 1.5.1.1.1

           21 April 2015 at 9:41 am

           “…but to little avail…”

           Not at all. Kim Hill made sure that everyone listening was left in absolutely no doubt that the PM was refusing to answer very straight questions.

           This is because she is a journalist, and most of the rest are nothing but news presenters.
           • Tracey 1.5.1.1.1.1

             21 April 2015 at 9:52 am

             I thought that too
           • Olwyn 1.5.1.1.1.2

             21 April 2015 at 10:15 am

             Fair enough – I appreciate Kim Hill too. I meant what I said in relation to the fact that he continued to avoid giving straight answers. So yes, we could clearly see by her method of questioning that he was not giving straight answers, but he still resisted (as he always does) actually giving straight answers.
             • Tracey …

               21 April 2015 at 10:17 am

               By the time they have finished his media practice session for any particular issue, I am sure he actually believes that what was a lie is now true.
   • Rodel 1.6

     21 April 2015 at 9:13 am

     Mr Key’s mantras, ‘at the end of the day’
     ‘in the end’
     ‘to the best of my knowledge’
     are wearing a bit thin. Time for some refresher training from his PR advisers.
   • veutoviper 1.7

     21 April 2015 at 10:45 am

     MS – I am sad and disappointed that you and others have used Tourette’s Syndrome in this way. Key’s lying etc have nothing to do with Tourette’s – nor are likely to bring this on in others.

     This year RNZ National have presented a number of interviews with people with Tourette’s which were very enlightening as to the full ramifications of the syndrome on those who have it and their families etc.

     I found this interview just a week or so ago profoundly moving in this regard, and I have the utmost respect for Tanya Humphreys for her courage in undertaking the interview. Please listen to even part of it.

     http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/eastermonday/audio/20173671/living-with-tourette's-syndrome

     Another one is here. http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/nz-society/audio/20167372/taming-tourette's
2. saveNZ 2

   20 April 2015 at 5:55 pm

   http://stopstealingourharbour.co.nz/
3. whateva next? 3

   20 April 2015 at 5:57 pm

   Key seems to to be happy with the Monaco model, all the plebs live over the border, while the rich and oblivious live on the inside and this blog about why people might be “persuaded” to fall for Key’s ****
   http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/04/18/guest-blog-douglas-renwick-the-political-economy-of-thought-control/
4. Joanne 4

   20 April 2015 at 7:02 pm

   Monaco? Already happening in Queenstown, with plebs living in Winton or anywhere else that’s cheaper.
5. Philip Ferguson 5

   20 April 2015 at 8:14 pm

   Report on protest today at Abbott and Key at the Pukeahau memorial:
   https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/04/20/anti-war-action-at-pukeahau-memorial/
6. Philip Ferguson 6

   20 April 2015 at 8:16 pm

   Any folks here who are in Dunedin and have an interest in Irish/working class/left history might be interested in a couple of talks I’m giving on campus about the 1916 Rebellion in Ireland and its aftermath.

   The talks are at 5pm, tomorrow (Tuesday), April 21 and 5pm, the following Tuesday (April 28) and are in Room 4, upstairs in the Clubs and Societies building at 84 Albany Street.

   In the first talk I’ll be looking at the lead-up to the Rising, in particular the arrival in Irish society of the working class as an organised industrial/political force with the formation especially of the Irish Transport and General Workers Union, founded by James Larkin and later led by James Connolly, the development of its newspaper (the widely-read Irish Worker, edited by Sean O’Casey) and of the workers’ militia (the Irish Citizen Army, led by Connolly, Michael Mallin and Countess Markievicz; the formation of the first republican paramilitary organisation, Na Fianna Eireann, founded by Countess Markievicz; the revitalisation of the Irish Republican Brotherhood by young militants like Sean MacDiarmada and the return of the veteran Tom Clarke; the formation of a republican women’s movement (Inghinidhe na hEireann), founded by Maud Gonne; and the Irishwomen’s Suffrage League.

   I’ll look at the 1913 Dublin Lockout and the Home Rule Crisis and the different responses within Irish nationalism to World War 1.

   Bigi linn (all welcome).

   For poster, see: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/dunedin-talks-on-the-1916-rebellion-in-ireland/

   Phil
7. Hateatea 7

   20 April 2015 at 8:26 pm

   Does anyone have an update on today’s events vis a vis ‘a prominent New Zealander’?

   It is rapidly taking on the appearance of a farce, although I don’t intend this as belittling the complainants, rather the apparent manipulation of NZ law to protect the fore mentioned accused.
   • rawshark-yeshe 7.1

     20 April 2015 at 9:13 pm

     and to protect Pry Minister Key et al and their lies.
   • veutoviper 7.2

     21 April 2015 at 10:11 am

     As far as I can find via Google, Twitter etc, there have been no reports. The media reporters that I know of that attended earlier hearings have tweeted nothing and were elsewhere yesterday according to their tweets.

     Any hearing yesterday would have been in the District Court (but we are not supposed to know which one …). District court hearing schedules are not published on the Internet unlike those of the High Court, Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court which are published daily – eg https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/business/calendar/daily-lists

     As discussed in yesterday’s Open Mike*, Murray Rawshark and I believe that the hearing would likely have been a Call-Over hearing only, not the start of the trial.

     A call-over is a meeting where the Judge and the lawyers for both sides discuss any pre-trial issues. For example, a witness may need to give video evidence as they will be overseas at the time of the trial. Or the defence counsel might make a case for some evidence to be excluded. A trial date is set — ideally within eleven weeks. A second call-over may be needed to give enough time to deal with all pre-trial issues. Source – http://www.justice.govt.nz/services/access-to-justice/civics-education-1/the-criminal-justice-system/the-crime/before-the-trial

     * http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-20042015/#comment-1002128
     • Hateatea 7.2.1

       21 April 2015 at 1:45 pm

       Thank you for that 🙂

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