Daily Review 20/07/2015

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1. mickysavage 1

   20 July 2015 at 6:04 pm

   Mihingarangi Forbes has shown her ability by breaking a story about how three cabinet ministers ate Kereru a couple of years ago. Key denies they knew what they were eating. So they ate something without asking what it was?

   http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/279214/ministers-served-kereru-at-iwi-leaders'-hui
   • McFlock 1.1

     20 July 2015 at 6:08 pm

     well, they expect us to eat bullshit and think it’s gravy, so maybe everything they eat just tastes the same.

     I shudder to think about how much spit has been in Key’s coffee over the years. Maybe his lattes are a little bit extra frothy every time employment law is “made more flexible”…

     edit: sigh. I just realised that I was in no way surprised that ministers would chow down on a protected species and then claim they had no idea what they were eating. The amount of stuff that these folk claim to have not read, signed, seen, said, done, or eaten…
   • maui 1.2

     20 July 2015 at 6:39 pm

     A spokesperson for the marae in Ohakune said between three and five birds had been handed to them by the Department of Conservation.

     I’m calling that a load of baloney, 5 wood pigeons do not just have a simultaneous cardiac arrest, drop from the sky in the same place for a waiting DOC worker to pickup and put in the freezer.
     • Molly 1.2.1

       20 July 2015 at 9:22 pm

       Unfortunately we have had two kereru kamikaze themselves into our dining room window within the first six months of moving into our home ten years ago.

       Since then we have had a christmas decal front and center. Unseasonal, but no more dead kereru.
       • maui 1.2.1.1

         20 July 2015 at 10:12 pm

         Yeah good point, that’s as good a reason as I can think of where dead birds might come from, considering they get a bit tipsy too from certain fruits. We have big glass windows here and about every other bird has hit it, not a kereru from what I remember. I’ve done lots of tramping and bush walks over my life and never come across a dead woody yet.
         • Molly 1.2.1.1.1

           21 July 2015 at 9:58 am

           My mother was also involved in a traditional weaving course. They were contacted by DOC when DOC had notification of dead birds, so they had some kind of permission or dispensation to pluck the feathers for use in korowai.

           My first dead kereru was buried in the garden, the second was delivered to a local contact that was provided by the local bird rescue.
     • McFlock 1.2.2

       20 July 2015 at 9:29 pm

       Easy to prove.

       Surely there’d be DoCumentation (excuse the pun), given the status of kereru. Even a note in the daybook of “two kereru given to marae, told them it was probably 1080″…
2. adam 2

   20 July 2015 at 7:13 pm

   As anecdotal evidence is all the rage at the moment. My whare got robbed today. So the whanau put it out on facebook. Oh and guess what – friends got robbed in Henderson at about 5:30. Other friends in west Auckland robbed 2 days ago – and half a dozen more across Auckland in the last fortnight.

   Facebook, the new home for crime stats?

   Also everyone on this is working poor – so it’s the poor neighbourhoods which are getting nicked from. Time to print of some of the old wobbly stickers.

   I did feel for the police when I spoke to them, they sounded drained by it all – and effectively admitted they would do what they could – which was not much – as they were seriously under resourced to deal with burglaries.

   Is national destroying the police force to privatise them next?

   Oh and if you rob me today, and are reading this, if you mix the green and yellow pills with the brown ones – don’t drink alcohol – but if you do drink – seek immediate medical attention.
   • sabine 2.1

     20 July 2015 at 7:29 pm

     last week, attempted robbery of the dairy next to my shop with a toy gun.
     three month ago attempted robbery of the same dairy with a knife drawn.
     next time we expect a gun.
     advise from the police for more cameras. We have cameras everywehre….but maybe getting cought is what they want.
     A nice cell, a feed or two a day, a warm bed, and a bit of a fight every now and then.
     looking at Mt. Eden Prison scandal re fighters, cell phones and pot, it sure beats living in the streets with no job and a less then ideal home environment.

     Luckily for us shop keepers we are working together, but yeah its not fun.
3. adam 3

   20 July 2015 at 8:30 pm

   Now this is some scary stuff. All on video

   http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/19/surfer-mick-fanning-battles-shark-attack-at-j-bay-open-im-just-tripping
4. marty mars 4

   20 July 2015 at 8:57 pm

   JMG – so good.

   By and large, human societies that don’t have urban centers tend to last much longer than those that do. In particular, human societies that don’t have urban centers don’t tend to go through the distinctive cycle of decline and fall ending in a dark age that urbanized societies undergo so predictably. There are plenty of factors that might plausibly drive this difference, many of which have been discussed here and elsewhere, but I’ve come to suspect something subtler may be at work here as well. As we’ve seen, a core difference between civilizations and other human societies is that people in civilizations tend to cut themselves off from the immediate experience of nature nature to a much greater extent than the uncivilized do. Does this help explain why civilizations crash and burn so reliably, leaving the barbarians to play drinking games with mead while sitting unsteadily on the smoldering ruins?

   As it happens, I think it does.

   http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.nz/2015/07/the-cimmerian-hypothesis-part-one.html

   As Eric Burdon and the Animals sang (beautiful irony there once you’ve read JMG’s article) – “We’ve gotta get outta this place, if it’s the last thing we ever do…”
   • Colonial Viper 4.1

     20 July 2015 at 9:02 pm

     Loved Schwarzeneggar as Conan lol
   • RedLogix 4.2

     20 July 2015 at 9:06 pm

     Which is why marty – despite all the crap which has passed between us over the years – if we were ever both were to find ourselves cooking up dinner in the same remote little 6 -bunker one night, we’d probably get on just fine.

     At least I’ve always hoped that would be so.
     • marty mars 4.2.1

       20 July 2015 at 9:14 pm

       I’d give you a man-hug and share my knapsack with you red and we both know it. I hope it happens one day because these stilted conversations rarely satisfy and body language and humour, good spirits (in every sense of the word) and a love of the wonder of the world would wipe away any ‘difference’ we may have. You’ll just have to come to the bay when you get back over the ditch.
       • RedLogix 4.2.1.1

         20 July 2015 at 9:33 pm

         I’m thinking we should drag CV along for a proper cultural experience 🙂
         • marty mars 4.2.1.1.1

           20 July 2015 at 9:47 pm

           yep sounds good
           • Colonial Viper 4.2.1.1.1.1

             20 July 2015 at 10:07 pm

             will there be wifi? 😀
             • vto …

               20 July 2015 at 10:11 pm

               and singing
               • marty mars …

                 20 July 2015 at 10:12 pm

                 no guitars though – you could bring a blues harp if you want vto
                 • te reo putake …

                   20 July 2015 at 10:15 pm

                   Damn. And I just learned Royals too.
                   • marty mars …

                     20 July 2015 at 10:22 pm

                     I spose if you can carry it you can bring it – we’re going into the bush mind you, stuff gets heavy.
                   • te reo putake []

                     20 July 2015 at 10:27 pm

                     No worries, still better than a ukulele (the unicycle of the musical world).
                   • Molly …

                     21 July 2015 at 10:04 am

                     Re: your ukelele comment.

                     I used to think the same as you – then I heard Jake Shimabukuro.

                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoYFIvRRp2A
             • marty mars …

               20 July 2015 at 10:11 pm

               no
           • mickysavage 4.2.1.1.1.2

             20 July 2015 at 10:11 pm

             Can I come too?
             • marty mars …

               20 July 2015 at 10:11 pm

               yep from me
5. te reo putake 5

   20 July 2015 at 9:35 pm

   Just back from a Labour party meeting in a small provincial town. Great turnout, lots of discussion and some pretty direct questioning of the buddy MP who attended. Two interesting matters raised; Andrew Little’s dress sense and the National government’s abandonment of the regions.

   There was a lengthy discussion about the Ak housing crisis. Number of people who said it was great that Labour was showing some fighting spirit: pretty much everyone who spoke. Number of people who spoke that thought it was racist to use the information from Barfoots: nil.
   • marty mars 5.1

     20 July 2015 at 9:50 pm

     lol – what’s a buddy MP?
     • te reo putake 5.1.1

       20 July 2015 at 9:57 pm

       An MP from a neighbouring electorate who helps out the LEC and branches if they don’t have an MP of their own. Good idea, been in place for a couple of years. Really important to keep the red flag flying in the provinces, even in safe Tory seats.
       • marty mars 5.1.1.1

         20 July 2015 at 10:20 pm

         “Number of people who spoke that thought it was racist to use the information from Barfoots: nil.”

         That bit is a bit suspect – What percentage of the people there spoke? did you ask the others? Show of hands? I’m happy to give you the benefit of the doubt but there seems to be a lack of hard information to really see a trend or pattern with that data.
         • te reo putake 5.1.1.1.1

           20 July 2015 at 10:41 pm

           I think just about everyone spoke on it at some point, mm. And it really was a lengthy, fulsome discussion, though I didn’t speak on it myself (I saved my contribution for the discussion about Andrew Little’s trousers). One maori lady said that no PI’s or maori she knew were crying ‘racist’, which was an interesting observation. It wasn’t all LP members either. It was great to see people coming out for something different on a wet Monday night. People want to be heard, I guess.
           • Ergo Robertina 5.1.1.1.1.1

             20 July 2015 at 10:43 pm

             What were they saying about Little’s trousers?
             • te reo putake …

               20 July 2015 at 10:49 pm

               Somebody asked who dressed him. I suggested it was Buddy the cat 😉 It was interesting to listen; one person reckoned he looked too uptight, but then another said something like ‘bugger that, look what relaxed has done for the country’!
   • infused 5.2

     20 July 2015 at 9:52 pm

     Well you are not going to get my supports coming along and saying you are shit are you?
     • te reo putake 5.2.1

       20 July 2015 at 10:01 pm

       Your supporters? Who they?
     • vto 5.2.2

       20 July 2015 at 10:02 pm

       qu’est que ces’t?
     • McFlock 5.2.3

       20 July 2015 at 10:07 pm

       tories do tend to be more cowardly face to face, not overly inclined to protest when people can see them. Exceptions exist, to be sure, but overall lefties are more bolshy than tories. It’s where the word comes from, after all.
   • Stephanie Rodgers 5.3

     20 July 2015 at 10:04 pm

     Number of people who spoke

     Make your own joke about using incomplete data to support your personal views here.
     • The lost sheep 5.3.1

       20 July 2015 at 10:44 pm

       It was a ‘small provincial town’ Stephanie.
       I think we can all pick up the stereotype that is being mined here.
       Of course they would ALL be happy with a bit of China bashing eh?
6. Michael 6

   20 July 2015 at 11:03 pm

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11483966

   Little: Banning smoking outside bars too far

   Labour leader Andrew Little says banning smoking outside bars, cafes and restaurants would be a step too far, describing a smoke after a drink as one of “life’s little pleasures” for some people.

   About 70 per cent of councils at the Local Government NZ conference yesterday voted to ask the Government to ban smoking outside cafes, bars and restaurants.

   The former Labour Government banned smoking inside bars and other workplaces in 2003 but Mr Little did not believe that should be extended to outside areas.

   “I agree people shouldn’t be allowed to smoke inside buildings which the public have access to. But in the end, people are able to lawfully buy tobacco products, they must be able to lawfully use them somewhere. We can go a bit too far sometimes in banning their use outside in public places.”
   —-

   This was quite interesting to me. Anyone have an idea why Little’s going this route on this issue? It sort of seems like he is trying to appeal to more working class, provincial, middle New Zealanders etc.
   • millsy 6.1

     20 July 2015 at 11:36 pm

     Trying to apply some reason to the smoking debate. Good move.
     I dont like smoking but I think smoking laws are going a little bit too far.
   • Clemgeopin 6.2

     20 July 2015 at 11:57 pm

     @Michael.
     See reply at #7
   • Anne 6.3

     21 July 2015 at 10:41 am

     Anyone have an idea why Little’s going this route on this issue? It sort of seems like he is trying to appeal to more working class, provincial, middle New Zealanders etc.

     Can’t a Labour leader be allowed to hold an honest view-point Michael?

     As a former smoker (who stopped years ago) I still have sympathy for smokers being treated like pariahs. I am getting sick of sanctimonious do-gooders who think they are always right and spend their lives coming down hard on others – especially when they acquire a bit of power. I’m pretty sure Little was expressing a similar view point because – as you have suggested – it is going too far.
7. Clemgeopin 7

   20 July 2015 at 11:20 pm

   I think he is showing common sense, honesty and fairness.

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