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Daily review 21/05/2025

Written By: - Date published: 5:30 pm, May 21st, 2025 - 24 comments
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This provides Standardistas the opportunity to review events of the day.

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24 comments on “Daily review 21/05/2025 ”

  1. SPC 1

    The case for simply assisting parents to set controls on the devices of their children, rather than a ban on access to social media.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360696519/jazz-thornton-slams-social-media-ban-warns-prime-minister-putting-children-risk

    • weka 1.1

      that's great for kids with parents that can be involved. But the kids at particular risk are likely to be the ones without that.

      There's no reason why there can't be dedicated social media platforms for that age group. Just sane and safe ones rather than the free for all dumpster fire we currently have.

      • Muttonbird 1.1.1

        The logical place to make up the difference in households with parents present and parents not present is a well funded and bipartisan policy supported education system. But current political leadership is determined to remove this broad, levelling mechanism on sex and gender education, and now social media education.

        • weka 1.1.1.1

          how would a good education system prevent the harm of social media to under 16s?

          • Muttonbird 1.1.1.1.1

            By educating and re-enforcing social media practice in a common environment.

            That’s what schools do.

            • weka 1.1.1.1.1.1

              social media is inherently harmful. You can't educate under 16s to avoid that. How to avoid being groomed etc is a different matter that can be taught but social media itself, by its very nature is a problem.

              • Ad

                Plenty of good clinical studies agree.

                We do it for alcohol, guns, marriage, smoking, driving, legal consent. We know the harm is massive. So regulate.

                • weka

                  Exactly. I had assumed people knew this about SM, beyond the bullying, grooming etc issues, but I'm wondering now if it's not that well known.

                  I mean if people do understand, they can argue a harm minimisation approach I guess, but hard to do that for young teens and pre-teens.

                  The biggest issue is still technical and the privacy ethics.

                • Muttonbird

                  That escalated quickly. None of those items are relevant to young people in the same was as digital communication. You don't partially marry, drink, drive, shoot and smoke under 16 but you do have to communicate digitally in some form.

                  Education and inclusion and improved equality, decent housing and wages is the way to mitigate digital social harm. A large part of which is pushing back against radical conservative content creators (Andrew Tate) and the platforms upon which they stand (UFC).

                  • weka

                    yes, all those things would help a great deal. They won't however happen in the next year.

                    You still haven't explained how the inherent damaging nature of SM can be mitigated. I already explained that there is no reason that non-damaging SM can't be created for under 16s, and thus meet the need for communication tools. No-one needs tiktok.

  2. Muttonbird 2

    The culture war vultures whipped up by Winston Peters and his comrades Brian Tamaki and Posie Parker have roosted above the students of an Auckland school's tradition of supporting diversity, rainbow mental health, and sexual education for hundreds of high school students around the region.

    “Events like Lil Gay Out are not just social gatherings — they are lifelines.

    “They offer belonging, community, and visibility in a world that too often makes Rainbow youth feel unsafe or unseen.

    “To see such an event silenced by intimidation is an alarming reminder of how far we still have to go.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/lil-gay-out-hobsonville-point-secondary-school-cancels-lgbtq-event-after-protest-threats/KZQW5YBLXFB6PK7S25C6MJYGYE/

    Well done, nut jobs.

  3. Muttonbird 3

    Fairly sure if AI was sent in to measure the political leanings of The Centrist the conclusion would be it is severely unbalanced:

    “I believe it is important for the Herald to be a broad church,” Grenon said in the document. “To ensure it is on course it needs to be able to measure its articles for political leaning, overall. This is now much easier with AI. The same can be said about measuring the quality of the journalism.”

    In 2023, Grenon helped start online news site The Centrist, which had previously accused the Herald of lacking balance on contentious issues such as co-governance, climate science and the Covid-19 pandemic.

    Grenon, in the document posted on the NZX on Friday, said he had been following what other New Zealand news organisations do via The Centrist and had “a thorough immersion into the journalism produced by NZME”.

    The Centrist said in a September 2023 article that the NZ Herald’s coverage of a number of contentious issues was a reason for the website’s launch.

    “The NZ Herald also seems to sometimes accept, without questioning, what we see as blatantly misleading government narrative. This includes 3 Waters and the IRD high net worth project. The Herald, BD, and other major media sources in New Zealand, inspired us to launch NE [NZ News Essentials] and the Centrist.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/360697187/nominee-nzme-board-wants-political-leaning-nz-herald-stories-measured

    The examples of foreign born Jim Grenon and Parmjeet Parmer punching down on the disenfranchised, vulnerable, and indigenous in their adopted country is a very worrying development.

    I give Grenon about 18 months at NZME before he craps the bed and is thrown out.

    • Incognito 3.1

      What’s the point of measuring the political leaning (bias?) of individual (?) stories in the NZH measured? What does he aim to do with that (biased) information? It sounds like he’s looking for an excuse to impose his agenda.

  4. Muttonbird 4

    Auckland thanks you, Nicola Willis:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/360697445/iconic-auckland-department-store-smith-caugheys-close-good

    On Nicola’s watch:

    Smith & Caughey’s to close its doors after 145 years

    It’s illustrative of how bad this finance minister is.

    https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/05/21/smith-caugheys-to-close-its-doors-after-145-years/

    • alwyn 4.1

      You are joking aren't you?

      If not there must be an incredible number of Finance Ministers who will have to blamed for the fact that the Department Store has almost universally died out in the last 30 or so years.

      James Smith, DIC, Kircaldie and Stains, McKenzies, Radfords.

      That is just Wellington. All gone because they had outlived their time. Auckland is now catching up.

      • Muttonbird 4.1.1

        James Smith (2015) and Kirks (2016) closed under finance minister Bill English. DIC (1991) under Ruth Richardson. McKenzie's (1980) under Muldoon.

        What is your point, that National governments don't support conditions where retailers survive?

        If that is your point it is very well made!

        • alwyn 4.1.1.1

          I guess I could point out that Radfords closed in 2006, when Cullen was in the chair, and David Jones in 2022 when I suppose we have to blame Robertson?

          Of course we don't. The shops had outlived their time.

          I was living in Melbourne when Georges closed. It was THE Department Store in the city. It was the centre for the very best in women's fashion and operated from 1880 to 1995. It was much more up-market than anything we ever had in New Zealand. They had a very good explanation for what happened. The then MD said that they had provided the very best of European fashion but now their clientele went to Europe two or three times a year and shopped in Italy and Paris directly.

          Out of curiosity, how often did you go to Smith & Caughey?

          • alwyn 4.1.1.1.1

            You may care to read this story which quotes the then head of the business saying, in May 2024

            "Caughey, the then chairman of Smith & Caughey’s (he has now left the role), led a meeting that week of about 240 staff, where he outlined the proposal to close the business after 144 years." and that "The company was now running at a loss, stemming from a 40% decline in revenue over the past five years.".

            In other words it died under a Labour Government. I wouldn't blame Labour for that although it appears that you should, if you are going to be consistent in your opinions.

            https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/companies/retail/smith-caugheys-to-close-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-grande-dame-of-queen-st-why-aucklands-famous-department-store-is-in-its-final-days/GHFUNNTYP5ETDEKKCZ4MV4ITAE/

            If you read that story you will see that it has been dying for years and it has nothing whatsoever to do with Willis.

            • Muttonbird 4.1.1.1.1.1

              I'm perfectly consistent in my opinions. Smith & Caughey's closed under Willis. They kept going while there was still hope under the previous government, but Willis' policies killed them off for good.

              • E.Burke

                @ MB, in reality, the Government (of either persuasion) had little to do with the demise of this store.

                As has been seen in retail worldwide, when people can buy exactly the same stuff as the store, but get it on-line at a substantial discount it is rational for the consumer to shift their spend.

                My family, for example, has done an annual poll over Christmas dinner about the shift in Christmas spend from physical to on-line. On-line passed the 50% mark four years ago.

                The department store (or any shop) can say try and source product that no-one else sells in NZ, but the reality is that retail now operates in a global market and there is just no way they can compete against someone who trades without the physical overheads of a conventional retail shop.

                So, dont be blaming the Government for this one, there is bugger all they can do to stop it.

                And before you start, putting huge arbitrary tariffs on goods bought on-line a) Is stealing money from me to protect obsolete jobs, and b) exactly the behaviour you were slamming OMB for last month.

                The days of high street and department store retail are gone. Done. Wont be back.

  5. arkie 5

    The inimitable Mihingarangi Forbes' MATA has a short documentary on David Seymour and ACT's ideological whakapapa, particularly around indigenous issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLOjiiC3P1Y&ab_channel=RNZ

    • gsays 5.1

      Cheers for the heads-up arkie.

      A good watch and Seymour looked rattled when Forbes confronted him at the press scrum. Seymour never looks rattled.

      How know for this to get traction beyond us political tragics.

    • weka 5.2

      Thanks from me too, I started watching but got distracted by the budget.

      BNH are going to do a show on it after the budget, I'll try and get a post up.

    • Patricia Bremner 5.3

      Thank you Arkie.

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