Daily review 21/09/2020

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1. Anker 1

   21 September 2020 at 5:41 pm

   • Collins lying on Prime news tonight saying that last election labour had a 9 billion dollar hole. Unbelievable. A fake hole invented by Stephen Joyce and Collins even got the amount wrong. Dishonesty.
   • Incognito 1.1

     21 September 2020 at 5:51 pm

     The dishonesty is deliberate. What they want the audience to hear is “Labour had and has billion dollar hole” and create a meme.
     • Draco T Bastard 1.1.1

       21 September 2020 at 6:38 pm

       And they wouldn't be able to do that if the MSM actually called them on it.
       • Incognito 1.1.1.1

         21 September 2020 at 6:51 pm

         Holding our elected representatives to account is not MSM’s priority and they know it. It is not that they are not capable because there are some really capable journalists and reporters in NZ but the business model tells them what to do and they do it, mostly; I don’t envy them.
   • Nic the NZer 1.2

     21 September 2020 at 6:29 pm

     Would probably be sensible for Labour to get it highlighted that these are 'holes' in a forecast. This leaves the existance of holes as an exercise is speculation on the correctness of the budget. On the other hand when the time comes to examine how accurate the forecast was interest is lost anyway.

     Its an observable fact that the realised holes in the forecast are irrelevant. For example the entire deficit covering the lockdown period was missing from the prior budget. This is because the lockdown and pandemic was not anticipated by the treasury or govt. But the impact of this huge hole in the forecast was?

     It seems it was irrelevant. Nobody is asking how come nobody saw the pandemic and lockdown coming and the govt was able to do it anyway by just revising their budget.
     • Nic the NZer 1.2.1

       21 September 2020 at 6:55 pm

       Seems 7 might be just the link I called for. Though it appears Labour instigated this particular game of lets speculate about the correctness of the opposition forecast.
2. ScottGN 2

   21 September 2020 at 5:47 pm

   She said that this morning on Morning Report too.
3. Robert Guyton 3

   21 September 2020 at 6:03 pm

   Nickers incendiary!
4. Robert Guyton 4

   21 September 2020 at 6:03 pm

   Bloomers ablaze!
5. Dennis Frank 5

   21 September 2020 at 6:10 pm

   Poll result on One News tomorrrow night according to their political editor. I'll go for Labour 49%, National 35%, Greens 5%, ACT 5%, MP 1.5%, OP 1.5, others 3%.
   • observer 5.1

     21 September 2020 at 6:48 pm

     NZF included in others?

     I'd say those numbers are about right, though I'd pick National to be a bit lower, possibly ACT higher (at National's expense).

     Unfortunately the 6 pm poll is followed by the 7 pm debate. TVNZ did that in 2017 as well, and it means the debate is about the poll, which isn't really useful for anyone, even the parties it benefits. Voters don't need to hear poll spin in the election debate.
     • Dennis Frank 5.1.1

       21 September 2020 at 7:07 pm

       There could be an NZF resurgence, but my gut feeling is that the public have moved on. My rationale re National is mercenary: enough voters are just in it for the money to give them a lift. Bribes work (but with fewer folk than they once did). I also don't see that 29% in the UMR as credible, and CB usually rates them higher anyway.

       Yeah I agree it's poor judgment, but you can see why TVNZ do it (coat-tail effect). It's not as if the state broadcaster is required to act in the public interest, eh? Labour would have only legislated that if they wanted to be seen as credible…
   • mauī 5.2

     21 September 2020 at 8:05 pm

     So this is the first Frank poll of the election period? Encouraging to see you have the Greens over the threshold.
6. Robert Guyton 6

   21 September 2020 at 6:28 pm

   ""We don't want good farmland to go into trees.""

   Says Damien O'Connor, Labour Agriculture Minister, forgetting that all trees went into farmland at some point in time. Strange days.

   https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2020/07/with-labour-soaring-in-polls-agriculture-minister-hints-the-party-could-bring-in-more-rules-around-carbon-forests.html
   • greywarshark 6.1

     21 September 2020 at 6:42 pm

     But, trees don't vote.

     'I talk to the trees, but they don't listen to me'.

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhsWKBx5t3A
   • Draco T Bastard 6.2

     21 September 2020 at 6:43 pm

     Wonder how much of the farmland isn't actually good farmland. Bet he wouldn't want that being returned to trees either.
7. Robert Guyton 7

   21 September 2020 at 6:35 pm

   "Finance Minister Grant Robertson certainly would have been happy to find the error National made. But it is clear he did nothing to create it."

   https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2020/08/election-2020-the-whole-truth/#/1193272450/labour-did-not-cause-national-s-4-billion-mistake
   • Dennis Frank 7.1

     21 September 2020 at 6:50 pm

     Jenna Lynch did a gotcha tonight on 3News: she exposed another Goldsmith calculation error. Only $88 million but identical source – after she got multiple assurances from Goldsmith & Collins saying that all the necessary checks had been done & they were confident there were no other mistakes.
     • observer 7.1.1

       21 September 2020 at 6:58 pm

       The funniest part is watching Collins' brain working behind the eyes.

       Reporter: "Are you sure … ?"

       Collins: ("Oh shit, what has he done now?") "Yes, of course I'm sure …"

       Collins knows the only reason the question is being asked is because Goldsmith has got it wrong, but she doesn't know what the reporter knows. So she has to brazen it out, like a mobster sticking to the agreed story in the cops' interrogation.

       Goldie gonna sleep with the fishes.
     • Fireblade 7.1.2

       21 September 2020 at 7:01 pm

       Here's the link.

       Goldsmith is an idiot.

       https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2020/09/nz-election-2020-national-s-4-billion-fiscal-hole-has-gotten-even-bigger.html
     • Nic the NZer 7.1.3

       21 September 2020 at 7:04 pm

       The forecast error is realised in the year 2034. On which authority does Jenna Lynch even know its wrong?

       I have noticed one of the situations in which the comentariat is most certain of their opinion is precisely when nobody knows.
       • Dennis Frank 7.1.3.1

         21 September 2020 at 7:10 pm

         Interesting. My take, therefore (presuming you are correct), is that Goldsmith will point that out pronto. Fake news.

         So, if he doesn't, we can read it as either tacit admission that she got it right or he's too stupid to figure it out…
         • Nic the NZer 7.1.3.1.1

           21 September 2020 at 7:16 pm

           Already happened,

           "This might seem small, but the difference totalled $4.3b, and National had explicitly waited for PREFU to release its alternative budget. National’s finance spokesman Paul Goldsmith owned up to the mistake, explained how it happened, and said the difference would be made up by having a slightly higher debt target for 2034."

           From the link in 7.
         • Pat 7.1.3.1.2

           21 September 2020 at 7:31 pm

           He cant…because to do so is to admit that the whole shebang is little more than a guessing game …and that gives free license to Labour (not to mention undermine the whole system)
8. greywarshark 8

   21 September 2020 at 6:37 pm

   Hiho. Now the Right is telling us we shouldn't pay so much attention to USA politics such as the replacement for Judge Ginsberg. Put yourselves together there are the Chinese and of course our own Supreme Court.

   Many politically engaged New Zealanders are now furiously invested in the death of Ruth Bader Ginsberg, a long-serving associate justice of the Supreme Court of the United States. Online, you will find New Zealand’s pundits and commentators arguing over who her replacement should be. Drill a bit deeper and you will find even more heated arguments about how the Americans should go about the process of selection…

   The obsession of New Zealand commentators with US domestic politics seems quite strange on its face.

   It is true that America is the sole superpower (for the time being at least). It is equally true that American courts play a bigger role in politics there than they do here. The US Supreme Court is somewhat more like Iran’s Guardian Council than the judiciaries of countries like New Zealand.

   The controversies in which American courts are involved, however, relate mostly to the internal politics of that country.

   https://democracyproject.nz/2020/09/21/liam-hehir-our-obsession-with-american-politics/

   Of course the internal politics of the USA have a big influence on ours. I can't bear to watch the debacle that is the USA political system, but I;m just a weakling. Someone has to watch 'the burn'.
   • Dennis Frank 8.1

     21 September 2020 at 6:58 pm

     I prefer this bit: "The US Supreme Court is somewhat more like Iran’s Guardian Council than the judiciaries of countries like New Zealand." Sad to say, he didn't explain the basis of the likeness he sees. Understandable – what lawyer would ever want to explain their likes? 🤭😬
     • SPC 8.1.1

       21 September 2020 at 8:50 pm

       The connection is that the GC controls the direction of the political system – government in accord with a theocratic order, and the GOP is now running a white race nation Christian dominionism agenda – that requires securing control of the SCOTUS in perpetutity.

       And there is a real risk of this happening.

       NS of 538 notes how the Republican Party has a 2 in 3 chance of Senate majority because of the demographic layout of the states and thus gets to make more Court appointments.

       This allows red states to become little Gileads and modernise the voter suppression on non white groups of the old south – and step in both these areas are now being allowed by SCOTUS.

       The open and naked aggression to realise this course was the path chosen by the Senate Majority leader in 2016 when they blocked Garland. This began a putsch against democracy by the GOP before Trump became the nominee.
   • millsy 8.2

     21 September 2020 at 7:46 pm

     Its called solidarity. Anyway, as a devout Catholic, he will be cheering on the implementation of a theocracy in Trump's next term,

     Jacinda should raise the stakes, and offer full asylum to those in the USA who be percecuted by the Trump theocracy, ie LGBT's feminists, blacks, trade union members, etc.

     The moment Trump wins that 2nd term, there will be progroms like you have never seen before in the USA. Lynchings, witch burnings, you name it. Its going to be Puritanism on steroids.
9. ScottGN 9

   21 September 2020 at 7:36 pm

   Been hearing that buses and ferries from Auckland city to the Shore have been pretty quiet this evening. Personally I don’t think we should waste another minute worrying about the idiots who still think it’s a good idea to attempt the bridge in rush hour.
   • Peterfailed UE twice 9.1

     21 September 2020 at 8:20 pm

     They're living in a place where generations failed to face the reality of growth and the necessities around that.
10. millsy 10

    21 September 2020 at 7:55 pm

    Anyone know what happened to Sanctuary?

    He and Ad are probably my favourite posters on this blog. They tend to not repeat themselves. No offence, but you can only call for the nationalisation of whatever so many times before it starts getting stale.
    • In Vino 10.1

      21 September 2020 at 8:30 pm

      I think we should nationalise the National Party.

      Unless they become state-controlled, they will continue to try to promote an unhealthy society based on immense inequality.
      Stale?
    • greywarshark 10.2

      21 September 2020 at 9:29 pm

      Nothing since a falling out on June 19. Why not come back Sanctuary now things are getting really interesting? And if you go in for hyperbole then just say it again in a more relaxed way. I bet you have some interesting thoughts cooking.

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