A former Auckland Labour Party luminary came up with that idea once. We were all supposed to buy a brick for I dunno… think it was a $1000 and it would have our name engraved on it. Most of us came to the conclusion we did not want to buy a bloody brick at that price.
Quite simply put, anybody who puts this site at legal risk receives an instant permanent or at least a lengthy ban, regardless of who they are. This applies to this case and in general.
"I strangled her to death by accident" has to be the most fucked-up defence seriously contemplated by a jury since they banned the "I had to kill him because he was gay" defence. I feel embarrassed for my country that this will be getting so much coverage in the UK.
Oh you sexual puritan PM! Guess you never even wanked since you seem totally ignorant of some of some people's sexual preferences. By the way, does the name Peter Plumley-Walker ring a bell? In this case, the defence was far from 'fucked-up' in that the scenario presented was quite probable, particularly when there was evidence that the victim was not averse to BDSM practices and also had not been under any coercion regarding the 'hook-up'. Fortuitously, there was evidence to support the contention that the death was not accidental in the minds of the jury members, but this was not a certainty. It is difficult to understand the relevance of your, "I had to kill him because he was gay" comment. Are you saying that any death related to sexual acts is comparable to gay bashing murders? Hopefully you will not die of a heart attack while in flagrante delicto. Under your perverted legal interpretation, your sexual partner could end up being incarcerated for a long time because of your over-excitement.
Bullshit. There's a world of difference between indulging someone's kink for playing at having their breath cut off and spending upwards of five minutes strangling them to death, including at least a couple of minutes spent continuing to strangle them after they've lost consciousness. That doesn't happen by accident any more than being stabbed multiple times happens by accident.
It is difficult to understand the relevance of your, "I had to kill him because he was gay" comment.
I don't see why. It's not that long ago that male defendants were succeeding in court with the defence that they panicked and killed a man for wanting to have sex with them. We put a stop to that defence, and we could put a stop to this as well if we wanted to.
On reflection, feel I should add: there's zero evidence that Grace Millane asked to have her breathing restricted, just a self-serving claim to that effect by a proven liar. Comparing her to Peter Plumley-Walker is insulting.
Don't be an idiot PM! The defence was not necessarily invalid or as you say, "fucked up". It was properly presented and appropriately tested in the Mullane case – hence the guilty verdict.
I'm surprised that as the royal we, you managed to put a stop to the "I had to kill him because he was gay" defence. Wasn't it something to do with judicial direction to temper the influence of homophobic jurors?
"We" as in the people of New Zealand, via our constituted authorities.
A defence that the victim effectively consented to their murder may not be invalid under NZ law right now, but it should be. "Accidentally" strangling someone to death is like "accidentally" stabbing them a dozen times with a knife – there's no plausible "accident" there.
So why bother with the inconvenience of evidence or trials – Duterte no doubt has a job for you. Thank goodness your concepts of 'justice' don't have a place in NZ. By the way, consent to a dangerous sexual act is not the same as consenting to being murdered. Actually, wasn't that properly raised for the consideration of the jury?
we live in a society that can't even manage consent for non-dangerous sex across the population*, I think arguing that consent is the relevant issue here misses the elephant in the living room.
So why bother with the inconvenience of evidence or trials
Because it has to be established that the accused is in fact the murderer. If the accused admits to being the murderer but pleads not guilty, as this one did, the trial should be pretty short because the defence of "I strangled her to death by accident" shouldn't be available.
And if that were to make men feel that squeezing women's throats during sex just wasn't worth the thrill any more, I'm not seeing any down side to that.
By the way, consent to a dangerous sexual act is not the same as consenting to being murdered.
First, there's no evidence Grace Millane consented to a dangerous sexual act. Second, yes that was considered by the jury and rightly rejected on the basis that, even if the accused didn't have intent to kill he was reckless in continuing to do something that was likely to kill his victim.
The Crimes Act says people can't consent to being killed, so in a sense, that's provided for. The issue here is where the line is drawn on what people can consent to. Can someone consent to sexual activity that may result in death? Common law on the issue is that consent to bodily harm requires a public interest test, so surgery is fine, but BDSM has not been heavily tested in this area, and while light pressure on the neck is not bodily harm, it's a fine line between that and unconsciousness, which is probably not acceptable.
"Are you saying that any death related to sexual acts is comparable to gay bashing murders?"
no, but I am close to saying that any man who chooses to have sex that involves strangulation of his partner, should know that they will not be able to use 'sex gone wrong' as a defence and can expect to face a murder charge. It then becomes a simple choice of is this pleasure worth the risk?
My reason for this is that there is an emerging trend of women being murdered and this defence being used. You can have a look at the UK, where the law is different than in the NZ and there are greater numbers of this defence being used.
People's kink is a personal thing but at at societal level I don't think the right to one kind of pleasure trumps the right to be free from the risk of murder. People in the kink and BDSM communities are saying that there are safe ways to do this sex act, so it's on individuals to learn those skills if they want to do it. Watching something on youtube probably doesn't count.
I also think it's on those communities to speak out against the act as something for lay people to do and to push back against things like sharing on social media how to strangle women without killing them. I have no doubt that people skilled in this kink know what they are doing, but likewise I have no doubt that there are sadistic fucks doing it without regard for the wellbeing of their partner or motivated by the need to cause harm. That latter group not being restricted to the men who kill their partners.
There's also the issue of the number of women feeling pressured to have this kind of sex. There's a societal balance to be had between promoting sex positivity and not promoting violence or degradation of women. The latter is already a significant problem, exacerbated by the kinds of porn that many men are using, and it's obvious that strangulation is now a part of that dynamic. Don't believe me? Spend some time online listening to what women are saying.
Thanks for putting this information out here weka. I too have been noticing an increasing number of reports internationally along the 'consensual rough sex gone bad' defense line and I have the sense that it is a significant part of the increase in misogynistic trends.
Yep. Time we went for nuance and got past the binary thinking that this a sex positivity vs prudery issue. We can't have a sex positive culture when rape culture misogyny not only exists but is developing new forms off the back of sex positive culture.
Firstly…aficionados of 'kink' need to understand that there is very little new or innovative in what they're into. It has, quite possibly, been done before .
Secondly, there needs to be some serious thinking and discussion of what is acceptable kink, and what is rape and abuse and murder in disguise.
Standard is life imprisonment with a minimum non-parole period of 10 years. I'm not sure if there is anything about this crime that dictates a sentence outside that, but wouldn't surprise me if the actions afterwards earn him longer.
One of them had a first strike, and they committed murder as part of a robbery, so they automatically met the criteria for minimum of 17 years non-parole.
104 Imposition of minimum period of imprisonment of 17 years or more
(1) The court must make an order under section 103 imposing a minimum period of imprisonment of at least 17 years in the following circumstances, unless it is satisfied that it would be manifestly unjust to do so:
(a) if the murder was committed in an attempt to avoid the detection, prosecution, or conviction of any person for any offence or in any other way to attempt to subvert the course of justice; or
(b) if the murder involved calculated or lengthy planning, including making an arrangement under which money or anything of value passes (or is intended to pass) from one person to another; or
(c) if the murder involved the unlawful entry into, or unlawful presence in, a dwelling place; or
(d) if the murder was committed in the course of another serious offence; or
(e) if the murder was committed with a high level of brutality, cruelty, depravity, or callousness; or
(ea) if the murder was committed as part of a terrorist act (as defined in section 5(1) of the Terrorism Suppression Act 2002); or
(f) if the deceased was a constable or a prison officer acting in the course of his or her duty; or
(g) if the deceased was particularly vulnerable because of his or her age, health, or because of any other factor; or
(h) if the offender has been convicted of 2 or more counts of murder, whether or not arising from the same circumstances; or
I read the sentencing order, the first strike definitely had an impact. In part, because the previous convictions were used as a reason to uplift the sentence, but also because of section 86E of the Sentencing Act:
"When murder is a stage-2 or stage-3 offence
(1) This section applies if—
(a) an offender is convicted of murder; and
(b) that murder is a stage-2 offence or a stage-3 offence.
(2) If this section applies, the court must—
(a) sentence the offender to imprisonment for life for that murder; and
(b) order that the offender serve that sentence of imprisonment for life without parole unless the court is satisfied that, given the circumstances of the offence and the offender, it would be manifestly unjust to do so.
(3) If the court does not make an order under subsection (2)(b), the court must give written reasons for not doing so.
(4) If the court does not make an order under subsection (2)(b), the court must,—
(a) if that murder is a stage-3 offence, impose a minimum period of imprisonment of not less than 20 years unless the court is satisfied that, given the circumstances of the offence and the offender, it would be manifestly unjust to do so; and
(b) if that murder is a stage-2 offence, or if the court is satisfied that a minimum period of imprisonment of not less than 20 years under paragraph (a) would be manifestly unjust, order that the offender serve a minimum period of imprisonment in accordance with section 103.
(5) If, in the case of a stage-3 offence, the court imposes under subsection (4)(a) a minimum period of imprisonment of less than 20 years, the court must give written reasons for doing so.
(6) If, in the case of a stage-2 offence, the court makes an order under subsection (4)(b) and the offender does not, at the time of sentencing, have a record of final warning, the court must—
(a) warn the offender of the consequences if the offender is convicted of any serious violent offence committed after that warning; and
(b) record that the offender has been warned in accordance with paragraph (a).
(7) It is not necessary for a Judge to use a particular form of words in giving the warning.
(8) On the entry of a record under subsection (6)(b), the offender has a record of final warning.
(9) The court must give the offender a written notice that sets out the consequences if the offender is convicted of any serious violent offence committed after the warning given under subsection (6)(a)."
The judge found that a sentence of life without parole would be manifestly unjust, but landed on 20 years 9 months after considering all the factors.
Alwyn, all that was necessary was for you (or anyone) to point out that I'd missed one.
I'm not a lawyer, so I err on the side of caution. Two mods have pointed out the need for caution here. Repeating what I had just deleted from your previous comment is either incredibly stupid or you think you get to decide what puts the site at risk (you don't). Do that again and expect a ban.
I need you to acknowledge what I just said. You cannot repeat something that has been deleted by a mod, even to tell a mod to remove another comment. It puts the site at risk. You're in premod until this gets sorted out.
Well can you please tell me how I can try and bring something to the attention of a moderator without it appearing on the blog?
Would it work if I was to corrupt the Mail address? If I put xxxxx@windowslive.com say would it get flagged to be looked at without going straight to the blog? After all that would be flagged as being a new commentator wouldn't it and go into moderation automatically.
Then I could say something like –
"Don't publish this.
Look at comment by Fred. He appears to me to be breaching the suppression order when he says xyz."
Would that get to a moderator and only a moderator? If it did it would seem to let me give a warning without making it public.
Or does just warning a moderator count as breaching a suppression order and get everyone in trouble?
I realise what you are on about. The problem I had was that you deleted my comment, which was fine by me, but you had missed the other ones that were even more explicit and that I was trying to bring up as being, possibly, out of line.
I thought I should make another attempt to warn you. The alternative is simply to take no action at all when a warning of some kind is appropriate.
[you seem to still be missing the key point here. Commenters ARE NOT ALLOWED to repost material that has been deleted, especially where it was deleted because it put the site at risk. If you do it is likely you will get a long ban. The only reason you haven’t is because the two mods looking at this think it’s better for the community for this exchange to be instructional.
There is zero problem with pointing out to moderators any problematic comment. Just don’t copy and paste or paraphrase it. In this case a simple reply to me saying “comment x.x.x seems to be an issue as well” or similar would have worked. Giving a link to the specific comment always helps.
Yes, making a comment with a changed name or email address will drop it into moderation (assuming it’s not been used before). Please don’t put legally problematic content in that comment, but as above give a reference to the comment you want the mods to look at, a link is best. Don’t tell mods what to do, instead let them know there is a potential problem. – weka]
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Every year, in the Budget, Parliament forks out money to government agencies to do certain things. And every year, as part of the annual review cycle, those agencies are meant to report on whether they have done the things Parliament gave them that money for. Agencies which consistently fail to ...
Mike Grimshaw writes – Recent events in American universities point to an underlying crisis of coherent thinking, an issue that increasingly affects the progressive left across the Western world. This of course is nothing new as anyone who can either remember or has read of the late ...
The thing about life’s little victories is that they can be followed by a defeat.Reader Darryl told me on Monday night:Test again Dave. My “head cold” last week became COVID within 24 hours, and is still with me. I hear the new variants take a bit longer to show up ...
TL;DR: My top 10 news and analysis links this morning include:Today’s must-read:Angus Deaton on rethinking his economics IMFLocal scoop: The people behind Tamarind, the firm that left a $500m cleanup bill for taxpayers at Taranaki’s Tui oil well, are back operating in Taranaki under a different company name. Jonathan ...
Normally when we talk about accessing public transport it’s about improving how easy it is to get to, such as how easy is it to cross roads in a station/stop’s walking catchment, is it possible to cycle to safely, do bus connections work, or even if are there new routes/connections ...
Politicians are not renowned for telling the truth. Some tell us things that are verifiably not true. They offer statements that omit critical pieces of information. Gloss over risks, preferring to offer the best case scenario.Some not truths are quite small, others amusing in their transparency. There are those repeated ...
Kicking the most vulnerable people out of state housing and pushing them towards homelessness will result in a proliferation of poverty and trauma across our most vulnerable communities. ...
Te Pāti Māori co-leader and MP for Waiariki, Rawiri Waititi has penned a letter asking MPs to support his members bill to remove GST from all food. The bill is expected to go through its first reading in parliament this Wednesday. “I’m calling on all political parties to support my ...
This year is about getting real with Kiwis and discussing the tough issues, as the National Government exacerbates inequality and divides New Zealand, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said ...
The Government adding Significant Natural Areas (SNAs) to its already roaring environmental policy bonfire is an assault on the future of wildlife that makes Aotearoa unique. ...
After 12 years of fighting to protect our moana we are finding ourselves back at square one and back at court. Today, the Environmental Protection Agency is sitting in Hawera to reconsider an application from Trans-Tasman Resources to dig up 50 million tonnes of the seabed in South Taranaki. This ...
Minister Shane Jones’ decision to step away from a seabed mining project is evidence of the murky waters surrounding the Government’s fast-track legislation. ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The growth of Treaty of Waitangi clauses in legislation caused so much worry that a special oversight group was set up by the last government in a bid to get greater coherence in the publicservice on Treaty matters. When ministers first considered the need for tighter oversight in 2021, there ...
The Coalition Government’s miscalculation saga continues as it has forgotten an eyewatering $90 million gap in its interest deductibility cost figures, say Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds and Revenue Spokesperson Deborah Russell. ...
He Pou a Rangi Climate Change Commission has today released advice that says if the Government doesn’t act now New Zealand is at risk of not meeting its climate goals. ...
The Coalition Government has today confirmed it is abandoning first home buyers who are struggling to get ahead, says Labour Finance spokesperson Barbara Edmonds. ...
The New Zealand public voted for a change in direction at the 2023 general election and that is exactly what this coalition government has been delivering in its first 100 days. There was an immediate focus on the economy, easing the cost of living, cracking down on law and order ...
The Government has left the health system as an afterthought, announcing half-baked targets at the last minute of their 100-day plan, says Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall. ...
Kiwis are still waiting for their promised cost of living support after 100 days of a National Government that is taking us backwards, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins said today. ...
The National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
100 days of National taking NZ backwardsThe National Government has spent its first 100 days stopping, cutting and reversing. They have scrapped stuff for stuff for the sake of it, without putting up any solutions of their own – and it’s hardworking New Zealanders who will pay for it. ...
The Government must commit to funding free and healthy school lunches, as thousands of people sign the petition to keep them, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti says. ...
If the Government was serious about moving families into public housing, they would build more houses so there is actually somewhere for people to go. ...
The free and healthy school lunches programme feeds our kids, helps them to learn, and saves families money – but it is at risk under this Government, education spokesperson Jan Tinetti said. ...
The Government’s proposed changes to Firearms Prohibition Orders (FPO) add almost nothing new and are merely an attempt to distract from its plans to loosen gun laws, police spokesperson Ginny Andersen and justice spokesperson Dr Duncan Webb said. ...
The great Victorian era English politician Lord Macauley stood in the British House of Parliament and said, "The gallery in which the reporters sit has become a fourth estate of the realm".He understood and outlined even way back then, the significant role and influence media have in a democracy. ...
The government’s attack on Māori health this week is committing tangata-whenua to a premature death, says Te Pāti Māori. “The government have begun their onslaught on Māori health with the abolishment of the Māori Health Authority and smokefree laws in the same day” said health spokesperson and co-leader, Debbie Ngarewa-Packer. ...
Today marks a tragic milestone for New Zealanders as the Coalition Government side with big tobacco to repeal the Smokefree Environments and Regulated Products (Smoked Tobacco) Amendment Act 2022, Labour Leader Chris Hipkins and Labour Health spokesperson Ayesha Verrall said. ...
New Zealand’s social workers are qualified, experienced, and more representative of the communities they serve, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “I want to acknowledge and applaud New Zealand’s social workers for the hard work they do, providing invaluable support for our most vulnerable. “To coincide with World ...
Cabinet has agreed to a reduced road user charge (RUC) rate for plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs), Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. Owners of PHEVs will be eligible for a reduced rate of $38 per 1,000km once all light electric vehicles (EVs) move into the RUC system from 1 April. ...
Minister of Agriculture and Trade, Todd McClay, says that today’s opening of Riverland Foods manufacturing plant in Christchurch is a great example of how trade access to overseas markets creates jobs in New Zealand. Speaking at the official opening of this state-of-the-art pet food factory the Minister noted that exports ...
Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters met with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi in Wellington today. “It was a pleasure to host Foreign Minister Wang Yi during his first official visit to New Zealand since 2017. Our discussions were wide-ranging and enabled engagement on many facets of New Zealand’s relationship with China, including trade, ...
Kāinga Ora – Homes & Communities has been instructed to end the Sustaining Tenancies Framework and take stronger measures against persistent antisocial behaviour by tenants, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Earlier today Finance Minister Nicola Willis and I sent an interim Letter of Expectations to the Board of Kāinga Ora. ...
Tēna koutou katoa. Greetings everyone. Thank you to the Auckland Chamber of Commerce and the Honourable Simon Bridges for hosting this address today. I acknowledge the business leaders in this room, the leaders and governors, the employers, the entrepreneurs, the investors, and the wealth creators. The coalition Government shares your ...
Minister Winston Peters completed the final leg of his visit to South and South East Asia in Singapore today, where he focused on enhancing one of New Zealand’s indispensable strategic partnerships. “Singapore is our most important defence partner in South East Asia, our fourth-largest trading partner and a ...
Minister of Internal Affairs and Workplace Relations and Safety, Hon. Brooke van Velden, will travel to the Republic of Korea to represent New Zealand at the Third Summit for Democracy on 18 March. The summit, hosted by the Republic of Korea, was first convened by the United States in 2021, ...
ICNZ Speech 7 March 2024, Auckland Acknowledgements and opening Mōrena, ngā mihi nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Good morning, it’s a privilege to be here to open the ICNZ annual conference, thank you to Mark for the Mihi Whakatau My thanks to Tim Grafton for inviting me ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Lead Coordination Minister Judith Collins have expressed their deepest sympathy on the five-year anniversary of the Christchurch terror attacks. “March 15, 2019, was a day when families, communities and the country came together both in sorrow and solidarity,” Mr Luxon says. “Today we pay our respects to the 51 shuhada ...
Speech for Financial Advice NZ Conference 5 March 2024 Acknowledgements and opening Morena, Nga Mihi Nui. Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Nor Whanganui aho. Thanks Nate for your Mihi Whakatau Good morning. It’s a pleasure to formally open your conference this morning. What a lovely day in Wellington, What a great ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters held discussions in Jakarta today about the future of relations between New Zealand and South East Asia’s most populous country. “We are in Jakarta so early in our new government’s term to reflect the huge importance we place on our relationship with Indonesia and South ...
Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters has announced that the Foreign Minister of China, Wang Yi, will visit New Zealand next week. “We look forward to re-engaging with Foreign Minister Wang Yi and discussing the full breadth of the bilateral relationship, which is one of New Zealand’s ...
Transport Minister Simeon Brown has today opened the new Auckland Rail Operations Centre, which will bring together KiwiRail, Auckland Transport, and Auckland One Rail to improve service reliability for Aucklanders. “The recent train disruptions in Auckland have highlighted how important it is KiwiRail and Auckland’s rail agencies work together to ...
The Government is proud to support the 10th edition of Crankworx Rotorua as the Crankworx World Tour returns to Rotorua from 16-24 March 2024, says Minister for Economic Development Melissa Lee. “Over the past 10 years as Crankworx Rotorua has grown, so too have the economic and social benefits that ...
Legislation implementing coalition Government tax commitments and addressing long-standing tax anomalies will be progressed in Parliament next week, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The legislation is contained in an Amendment Paper to the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill issued today. “The Amendment Paper represents ...
Associate Environment Minister Andrew Hoggard has today announced that the Government has agreed to suspend the requirement for councils to comply with the Significant Natural Areas (SNA) provisions of the National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity for three years, while it replaces the Resource Management Act (RMA).“As it stands, SNAs ...
Agriculture Minister Todd McClay has classified the drought conditions in the Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts as a medium-scale adverse event, acknowledging the challenging conditions facing farmers and growers in the district. “Parts of Marlborough, Tasman, and Nelson districts are in the grip of an intense dry spell. I know ...
The Government is helping farmers eradicate the significant impact of facial eczema (FE) in pastoral animals, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “A $20 million partnership jointly funded by Beef + Lamb NZ, the Government, and the primary sector will save farmers an estimated NZD$332 million per year, and aims to ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has completed a successful visit to India, saying it was an important step in taking the relationship between the two countries to the next level. “We have laid a strong foundation for the Coalition Government’s priority of enhancing New Zealand-India relations to generate significant future benefit for both countries,” says Mr Peters, ...
Cabinet has agreed to provide $7 million to ensure the 2024 ski season can go ahead on the Whakapapa ski field in the central North Island but has told the operator Ruapehu Alpine Lifts it is the last financial support it will receive from taxpayers. Cabinet also agreed to provide ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti says the launch of a new mobile breast screening unit in Counties Manukau reinforces the coalition Government’s commitment to drive better cancer services for all New Zealanders. Speaking at the launch of the new mobile clinic, Dr Reti says it’s a great example of taking ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Unlocking economic growth and land for housing are critical elements of the Government’s plan for our transport network, and planned upgrades to State Highway 29 (SH29) near Tauriko will deliver strongly on those priorities, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “The SH29 upgrades near Tauriko will improve safety at the intersections ...
Lower fruit and vegetable prices are welcome news for New Zealanders who have been doing it tough at the supermarket, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. Stats NZ reported today the price of fruit and vegetables has dropped 9.3 percent in the 12 months to February 2024. “Lower fruit and vege ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the sixty-eighth session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
Tēnā koutou katoa and greetings to you all. Chair, I am honoured to address the 68th session of the Commission on the Status of Women. I acknowledge the many crises impacting the rights of women and girls. Heightened global tensions, war, climate related and humanitarian disasters, and price inflation all ...
The coalition Government is supporting farmers to enhance land management practices by investing $3.3 million in locally led catchment groups, Agriculture Minister Todd McClay announced. “Farmers and growers deliver significant prosperity for New Zealand and it’s vital their ongoing efforts to improve land management practices and water quality are supported,” ...
Good evening everyone and thank you for that lovely introduction. Thank you also to the Honourable Simon Bridges for the invitation to address your members. Since being sworn in, this coalition Government has hit the ground running with our 100-day plan, delivering the changes that New Zealanders expect of us. ...
Recommendations from the Climate Change Commission for New Zealand on the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) auction and unit limit settings for the next five years have been tabled in Parliament, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “The Commission provides advice on the ETS annually. This is the third time the ...
The coalition Government is beginning its fight to lower building costs and reduce red tape by exempting minor building work from paying the building levy, says Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk. “Currently, any building project worth $20,444 including GST or more is subject to the building levy which is ...
Proposed changes to tax legislation to prevent the over-taxation of low-earning trusts are welcome, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says. The changes have been recommended by Parliament’s Finance and Expenditure Committee following consideration of submissions on the Taxation (Annual Rates for 2023–24, Multinational Tax, and Remedial Matters) Bill. “One of the ...
Assalaamu alaikum. السَّلَام عليكم In light of the holy month of Ramadan, I want to extend my warmest wishes to our Muslim community in New Zealand. Ramadan is a time for spiritual reflection, renewed devotion, perseverance, generosity, and forgiveness. It’s a time to strengthen our bonds and appreciate the diversity ...
Former Transport Minister and CEO of the Auckland Business Chamber Hon Simon Bridges has been appointed as the new Board Chair of the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) for a three-year term, Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced today. “Simon brings extensive experience and knowledge in transport policy and governance to the role. He will ...
Good morning all, it is a pleasure to be here as Minister of Science, Innovation and Technology. It is fantastic to see how connected and collaborative the life science and biotechnology industry is here in New Zealand. I would like to thank BioTechNZ and NZTech for the invitation to address ...
Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says he is looking forward to the day when three key water projects in Northland are up and running, unlocking the full potential of land in the region. Mr Jones attended a community event at the site of the Otawere reservoir near Kerikeri on Friday. ...
Associate Finance Minister David Seymour has today announced that the Government has agreed to restore deductibility for mortgage interest on residential investment properties. “Help is on the way for landlords and renters alike. The Government’s restoration of interest deductibility will ease pressure on rents and simplify the tax code,” says ...
Sport and Recreation Minister Chris Bishop will travel to Switzerland today to attend an Executive Committee meeting and Symposium of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). Mr Bishop will then travel on to London where he will attend a series of meetings in his capacity as Infrastructure Minister. “New Zealanders believe ...
This year’s Pacific Language Weeks celebrate regional unity and the contribution of Pacific communities to New Zealand culture, says Minister for Pacific Peoples Dr Shane Reti. Dr Reti announced dates for the 2024 Pacific Language Weeks during a visit to the Pasifika festival in Auckland today and says there’s so ...
Greater Wellington is inviting feedback on proposed changes to its Revenue and Financing Policy. The Revenue and Financing Policy covers the Council’s various sources of funding, and how the cost of services is shared across the region. This includes ...
Labour has conceded it could have done more to deal with disruptive state housing tenants while in government but says the current coalition is going too far. ...
The band has asked their record label to issue a cease and desist to stop the NZ First leader using their 1997 hit to support his ‘misguided political views’. “I get knocked down, but I get up again,” blared through the speakers on Sunday as Winston Peters took the stage ...
By Lydia Lewis, RNZ Pacific journalist Food rationing is underway in remote areas in Papua New Guinea’s Highlands following torrential rain and flash flooding. More than 20 people have been reported dead in Chimbu Province. In nearby Enga Province, the centre of last month’s massacre, a 15-year-old boy has been ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Andrew Hughes, Lecturer, Research School of Management, Australian National University After months of debate and intrigue, the AFL’s 19th and newest team, the Tasmania Devils, finally launched its jumper, logo and colours in Devonport this week. The Devils will wear green, ...
Brannavan Gnanalingam reviews the debut novel by Saraid de Silva.One of the most baffling things for children who move to a new country is what their parents’ (or grandparents’) lives were like prior to moving – for kids in particular, they’re too busy trying to fit in in their ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephen Gaunson, Associate Professor in Cinema Studies, RMIT University Narelle Portanier/Binge “If you don’t know who your mob are, you don’t know who you are,” Detective Andrea “Andie” Whitford (played by Leah Purcell) is told early into the new crime ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elise Klein, Associate professor, Australian National University It’s commonly accepted that women do the vast majority of caregiving in Australian society. But less appreciated is that Indigenous women do larger amounts of unpaid care than any other group. Working with the Aboriginal ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Adrian Beaumont, Election Analyst (Psephologist) at The Conversation; and Honorary Associate, School of Mathematics and Statistics, The University of Melbourne Joe Biden and Donald Trump have both secured their parties’ nominations for the November 5 United States general election by winning a ...
Comment: There has been a striking contrast in trans-Tasman interest about Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi’s visit to New Zealand and Australia. While the Australian press has been full of articles about the visit – including his curious decision to meet with former prime minister and China booster Paul Keating ...
After years of pressuring banks and other institutions to stop investing in fossil fuels, climate campaigners are making some progress. So how does divestment work?For years, climate activists have been pushing banks and other big institutions to divest from fossil fuels. New research from climate advocacy group 350 Aotearoa ...
For Boba, Ethan and Ashley, K-pop is a place to belong, a way to express themselves, and a bridge to connect with others. The three young Polynesians are part of a K-pop fan community in Tāmaki Makaurau. It’s one of many that have sprung up worldwide as K-pop has gone ...
For Boba, Ethan and Ashley, K-pop is a place to belong, a way to express themselves, and a bridge to connect with others. This one-off documentary presents three intimate portraits of young Polynesians who are pulled into a Korean cultural phenomenon. K-POLYS is directed by Litia Tuiburelevu, Produced by Hex ...
There’s ample evidence demonstrating free school lunch programmes provide wide benefits across schools, households and communities according to public health researchers. ACT Minister David Seymour wants to reduce the spending on Aotearoa New Zealand’s ...
By Wata Shaw in Suva Fiji is facing an exodus of Fijians as many are leaving for overseas seeking employment and education and others are migrating, says Opposition MP Viliame Naupoto. Speaking in Parliament, he said: “His Excellency’s speech (Ratu Wiliame Katonivere) comes after a little over one year of ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming comments from Christopher Luxon this morning recommitting to ‘no new taxes’ as part of Budget 2024. “Mr Luxon’s refusal at the Post-Cabinet press conference yesterday to repeat the ‘no new taxes’ promise ...
SAFE is urgently calling on the Environment Committee to reject the Government’s Fast-Track Approvals Bill, and is urging New Zealanders to rally behind the call. The proposed Bill, currently under consideration with the Environment select committee, ...
Teammates who spend all their time picking fights with spectators are only helpful for the other team, writes Madeleine Chapman. Anyone who has ever played a team sport competitively, particularly as a child and particularly, for some reason, basketball, will know that there’s a lot of politics involved. While there ...
The long-running Wellington music festival is too focused on the Jim Beam-ness and not enough on the Homegrown-ness.There is something about Homegrown that’s difficult to place. A barely perceptible-ness. Like feeling a ghost is watching you from the corner of the room but when you look, there’s nothing there. ...
The latest Ipsos New Zealand Issues Monitor reveals that fewer New Zealanders believe crime / law and order is one of the top issues facing our country. In 2018, Ipsos New Zealand started tracking the key issues facing New Zealand. In this wave ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kate Griffiths, Deputy Program Director, Budgets and Government, Grattan Institute Australia’s political donations rules are woefully inadequate, but donations reform is finally on the agenda. The federal government has signalled its interest in reform and will soon begin briefing MPs on its ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Patrick Taylor, Chief Environmental Scientist, EPA Victoria; Honorary Professor, School of Natural Sciences, Macquarie University Naiyana Somchitkaeo/Shutterstock A recent study published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine has linked microplastics with risk to human health. The study ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Albert Van Dijk, Professor, Water and Landscape Dynamics, Fenner School of Environment & Society, Australian National University Global climate records were shattered in 2023, from air and sea temperatures to sea-level rise and sea-ice extent. Scores of countries recorded their hottest year ...
As part of our series exploring how New Zealanders live and our relationship with money, a teacher explains why he and his partner are in frugal mode – and how they’re making it work. Gender: Male Age: 35Ethnicity: Pākehā Role: I am an intermediate school teacher and my partner is ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sarah Bendall, Senior Lecturer, Institute for Humanities and Social Sciences, Australian Catholic University Binge Mary & George, the new British television drama series, depicts the real-life story of Mary Villiers and her son George, and their social climbing at the ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Jason Nassios, Associate Professor, Centre of Policy Studies, Victoria University This article is part of The Conversation’s series examining the housing crisis. Read the other articles in the series here. Australian state and federal governments spend money in many ways to ...
The finance minister is denying that there’s a $5.6b shortfall in paying for the government’s campaign promises, including tax cuts. At his post-cabinet press conference yesterday, the PM refused to rule out new taxes to pay for the cuts, writes Anna Rawhiti-Connell in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s ...
Kāinga Ora tenants abused by their neighbours are doubting the government's crackdown on disruptive tenants will make a difference on their behaviour. ...
Kāinga Ora is New Zealand’s biggest residential landlord, housing more than 180,000 vulnerable people in more than 67,000 properties. Yesterday the government announced a crackdown on its tenants who fall behind on rent. One longtime Kāinga Ora tenant shares her experience.For 18 years I lived in a 1960s standalone ...
Why does this myth persist, and what’s the real reason our skin is suffering?It’s one of the biggest international grievances New Zealanders hold, up there with the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior and 1981’s underarm incident. We’re quick to tell international travellers that the world’s pollution led to the ...
A huge seven months lies in store for the White Ferns, beginning this week with the visit of England and culminating with the T20 World Cup in Bangladesh in September and October. Starting on Tuesday in Dunedin, the world ranked No. 2 visitors will play five T20s and three ODIs, ...
Opinion: In a move that has shocked road safety advocates across the country, the new Minister of Transport, Simeon Brown, is poised to abandon the previous government’s speed limit reduction policy, particularly around schools. Even more alarmingly, he wants school speed limits to be variable rather than full-time, arguing ...
Auckland Council is opposing a fast-track development backed by Sir John Kirwan and Spark NZ, because it doesn’t meet stringent new climate adaptation requirements The post Surf-data centre faces new 3.8C climate warming rules appeared first on Newsroom. ...
When the Criminal Proceeds (Recovery) Act was introduced in 2009 it was firmly targeted at gangs and drugs. The legislation means police no longer need a conviction to seize assets that criminals can’t prove were paid for legitimately, as long as their alleged offences are punishable by more than a ...
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Bob’s relationship with certain members of Lincoln’s academic staff continued to deteriorate in the 1990s. Others supported him publicly, though articles such as Roland Clark’s 1993 piece in Growing Today cannot have pleased the university management. Clark wrote that Bob was selling onions from the Biological Husbandry Unit to a ...
SailGP’s races feature in-your-face action, with agile, hydro-foiling catamarans tacking and jibing for the title over several days. However, public comments ahead of the global series’ return to New Zealand have left this past year’s controversy in the shadows, as a key appointment attracts criticism from dolphin advocates. A year ...
Opinion: We are fast approaching a fundamental change in prisons. As the number of people on custodial remand looks set to overtake the number of sentenced prisoners, the main function of prisons in New Zealand may become incarcerating un-sentenced people who may not be guilty of offending. We have already ...
The letters, which were published last week, were addressed to Indonesian Democratic Party of Struggle (PDI-P) Chairperson Megawati Sukarnoputri, National Democrat Party (NasDem) Chairperson Surya Paloh, National Awakening Party (PKB) Chairperson Muhaimin Iskandar, Justice and Prosperity Party (PKS) President Ahmad Syaikhu and United Development Party (PPP) Chairperson Muhammad Mardiono. In ...
Evicting more people from state housing is ignorant to the consequences of poverty, the Greens say, but the Housing Minister says it's a privilege that can be taken away if abused. ...
Evicting more people from state housing is ignorant to the consequences of poverty, the Greens say, but the Housing Minister says it's a privilege that can be taken away if abused. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Emerald L King, Lecturer in Humanities, University of Tasmania IMDB Between Netflix’s 2023 live-action version of One Piece, and its latest take on Avatar: The Last Airbender, fans are once again asking: why are live-action anime adaptations so tricky to ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Emerald L King, Lecturer in Humanities, University of Tasmania IMDB Between Netflix’s 2023 live-action version of One Piece, and its latest take on Avatar: The Last Airbender, fans are once again asking: why are live-action anime adaptations so tricky to ...
The government says it still intends to deliver tax cuts by July, but will not lock them in until they have got them past their coalition partners. ...
Kiingi Tuheitia Pootatau Te Wherowhero VII has hosted members of the Green Party Caucus at Tuurangawaewae Marae in Ngaaruawahia. The audience follows the King’s Hui-aa-Motu on 20 January, where more than 10,000 people gathered to discuss national ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Dr Rachael Potter, Research Associate and Lecturer in Work and Organisational Psychology, University of South Australia Ground Picture/Shutterstock Pregnant women and workers with children are often unfairly treated by their bosses and colleagues, despite laws to protect against workplace discrimination ...
Reacting to Prime Minister Christopher Luxon’s refusal to rule out introducing new taxes at the budget, Taxpayers’ Union Campaigns Manager, Connor Molloy, said: “Today’s refusal to rule out new taxes suggests the Government is nothing more ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Stephen Duckett, Honorary Enterprise Professor, School of Population and Global Health, and Department of General Practice and Primary Care, The University of Melbourne Aila Images/Shutterstock Aged-care workers will receive a significant pay increase after the Fair Work Commission ruled they ...
He’s bringing ‘Sophie’ back, yeah. Goodshirt’s ‘Sophie’ music video is one of the most instantly recognisable New Zealand music videos of all time. Featuring a woman listening to the song on headphones while her entire house is burgled behind her, the video won the New Zealand music award for Best ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By John Blaxland, Professor, Strategic and Defence Studies Centre, Australian National University A year ago, the AUKUS agreement was formally announced between Australian and UK Prime Ministers Anthony Albanese and Rishi Sunak and US President Joe Biden. The agreement mapped out the “optimal ...
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https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1197572264293629952
Thats even funnier when you realise the National Party Foundation has prices for 'a brick'
BUY A FOUNDATION BRICK
LEVELS 2 – 4: $500+, $1000+, $5000+
I would think the beehive basement has been well and truly 'mined' by now.
Not that the Tory rag Stuff will say anything like that, just platitudes from Bridges
Do they give people an actual brick? Or is a wall being built somewhere?
Just another brick in the wall
Still recruiting wombats.
A former Auckland Labour Party luminary came up with that idea once. We were all supposed to buy a brick for I dunno… think it was a $1000 and it would have our name engraved on it. Most of us came to the conclusion we did not want to buy a bloody brick at that price.
The idea was shelved.
Thanks weka, that is brilliant.
Good, now hopefully the piece of shit is named and never let out of jail.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/117069680/grace-millane-murder-trial-latest-updates
name suppression stands, and reasons for that are suppressed too.
https://twitter.com/Alisonmau/status/1197738204473856000
thank fuck
this.
Nope. Moderators here will need to be vigilant.
10 years isnt the standard no parole period any more , its more like 17-18 years
This was just last week
20 years and 17 years 9 months
Quite simply put, anybody who puts this site at legal risk receives an instant permanent or at least a lengthy ban, regardless of who they are. This applies to this case and in general.
I haven't been able to find the details of the name suppression order online. Anyone?
Details of suppression orders are typically not put online.
In the usual obsolete way that the law has, they are targeted at the people present in court – including media.
However they apply to everyone.
how would the public know if they were breaching the suppression order if they don't know what it covers?
It is an issue… Essentially the link runs back into the original source sitting in the court.
Agree. I've suggested that to mods.
I think the suppression order is only temporary.
Depends on what the judge thinks is justified.
"I strangled her to death by accident" has to be the most fucked-up defence seriously contemplated by a jury since they banned the "I had to kill him because he was gay" defence. I feel embarrassed for my country that this will be getting so much coverage in the UK.
Oh you sexual puritan PM! Guess you never even wanked since you seem totally ignorant of some of some people's sexual preferences. By the way, does the name Peter Plumley-Walker ring a bell? In this case, the defence was far from 'fucked-up' in that the scenario presented was quite probable, particularly when there was evidence that the victim was not averse to BDSM practices and also had not been under any coercion regarding the 'hook-up'. Fortuitously, there was evidence to support the contention that the death was not accidental in the minds of the jury members, but this was not a certainty. It is difficult to understand the relevance of your, "I had to kill him because he was gay" comment. Are you saying that any death related to sexual acts is comparable to gay bashing murders? Hopefully you will not die of a heart attack while in flagrante delicto. Under your perverted legal interpretation, your sexual partner could end up being incarcerated for a long time because of your over-excitement.
Bullshit. There's a world of difference between indulging someone's kink for playing at having their breath cut off and spending upwards of five minutes strangling them to death, including at least a couple of minutes spent continuing to strangle them after they've lost consciousness. That doesn't happen by accident any more than being stabbed multiple times happens by accident.
It is difficult to understand the relevance of your, "I had to kill him because he was gay" comment.
I don't see why. It's not that long ago that male defendants were succeeding in court with the defence that they panicked and killed a man for wanting to have sex with them. We put a stop to that defence, and we could put a stop to this as well if we wanted to.
On reflection, feel I should add: there's zero evidence that Grace Millane asked to have her breathing restricted, just a self-serving claim to that effect by a proven liar. Comparing her to Peter Plumley-Walker is insulting.
Don't be an idiot PM! The defence was not necessarily invalid or as you say, "fucked up". It was properly presented and appropriately tested in the Mullane case – hence the guilty verdict.
I'm surprised that as the royal we, you managed to put a stop to the "I had to kill him because he was gay" defence. Wasn't it something to do with judicial direction to temper the influence of homophobic jurors?
"We" as in the people of New Zealand, via our constituted authorities.
A defence that the victim effectively consented to their murder may not be invalid under NZ law right now, but it should be. "Accidentally" strangling someone to death is like "accidentally" stabbing them a dozen times with a knife – there's no plausible "accident" there.
So why bother with the inconvenience of evidence or trials – Duterte no doubt has a job for you. Thank goodness your concepts of 'justice' don't have a place in NZ. By the way, consent to a dangerous sexual act is not the same as consenting to being murdered. Actually, wasn't that properly raised for the consideration of the jury?
we live in a society that can't even manage consent for non-dangerous sex across the population*, I think arguing that consent is the relevant issue here misses the elephant in the living room.
*by which I mean men.
So why bother with the inconvenience of evidence or trials
Because it has to be established that the accused is in fact the murderer. If the accused admits to being the murderer but pleads not guilty, as this one did, the trial should be pretty short because the defence of "I strangled her to death by accident" shouldn't be available.
And if that were to make men feel that squeezing women's throats during sex just wasn't worth the thrill any more, I'm not seeing any down side to that.
By the way, consent to a dangerous sexual act is not the same as consenting to being murdered.
First, there's no evidence Grace Millane consented to a dangerous sexual act. Second, yes that was considered by the jury and rightly rejected on the basis that, even if the accused didn't have intent to kill he was reckless in continuing to do something that was likely to kill his victim.
The Crimes Act says people can't consent to being killed, so in a sense, that's provided for. The issue here is where the line is drawn on what people can consent to. Can someone consent to sexual activity that may result in death? Common law on the issue is that consent to bodily harm requires a public interest test, so surgery is fine, but BDSM has not been heavily tested in this area, and while light pressure on the neck is not bodily harm, it's a fine line between that and unconsciousness, which is probably not acceptable.
But it is still a defense for women "I killed him because he tried to have sex with me against my will".
Men being raped, is still treated as a joke.
Can you give some examples of where that defence is used KJT?
(it would be good if we could avoid use the term sex when talking about rape).
Self-defence is still a defence for everybody, not just women.
"Are you saying that any death related to sexual acts is comparable to gay bashing murders?"
no, but I am close to saying that any man who chooses to have sex that involves strangulation of his partner, should know that they will not be able to use 'sex gone wrong' as a defence and can expect to face a murder charge. It then becomes a simple choice of is this pleasure worth the risk?
My reason for this is that there is an emerging trend of women being murdered and this defence being used. You can have a look at the UK, where the law is different than in the NZ and there are greater numbers of this defence being used.
https://wecantconsenttothis.uk/ (content warning for descriptions of extreme sexual and physical violence against women)
People's kink is a personal thing but at at societal level I don't think the right to one kind of pleasure trumps the right to be free from the risk of murder. People in the kink and BDSM communities are saying that there are safe ways to do this sex act, so it's on individuals to learn those skills if they want to do it. Watching something on youtube probably doesn't count.
I also think it's on those communities to speak out against the act as something for lay people to do and to push back against things like sharing on social media how to strangle women without killing them. I have no doubt that people skilled in this kink know what they are doing, but likewise I have no doubt that there are sadistic fucks doing it without regard for the wellbeing of their partner or motivated by the need to cause harm. That latter group not being restricted to the men who kill their partners.
There's also the issue of the number of women feeling pressured to have this kind of sex. There's a societal balance to be had between promoting sex positivity and not promoting violence or degradation of women. The latter is already a significant problem, exacerbated by the kinds of porn that many men are using, and it's obvious that strangulation is now a part of that dynamic. Don't believe me? Spend some time online listening to what women are saying.
Thanks for putting this information out here weka. I too have been noticing an increasing number of reports internationally along the 'consensual rough sex gone bad' defense line and I have the sense that it is a significant part of the increase in misogynistic trends.
SSDD, but now being packaged differently.
Yep. Time we went for nuance and got past the binary thinking that this a sex positivity vs prudery issue. We can't have a sex positive culture when rape culture misogyny not only exists but is developing new forms off the back of sex positive culture.
Firstly…aficionados of 'kink' need to understand that there is very little new or innovative in what they're into. It has, quite possibly, been done before .
Secondly, there needs to be some serious thinking and discussion of what is acceptable kink, and what is rape and abuse and murder in disguise.
I am pretty sure anyone who wants to know his name already does
[Don’t play with fire because you and others might get burned – Incognito]
See my Moderation note @ 5:20 AM.
Standard is life imprisonment with a minimum non-parole period of 10 years. I'm not sure if there is anything about this crime that dictates a sentence outside that, but wouldn't surprise me if the actions afterwards earn him longer.
Not 'standard' 10 years anymore its more like 17-18 years
A sentence last week for murder for 2 defendants gave 20 yrs and 17 yrs 9 months
One of them had a first strike, and they committed murder as part of a robbery, so they automatically met the criteria for minimum of 17 years non-parole.
Nothing to do with previous first strike
The legislation says
(a) if the murder was committed in an attempt to avoid the detection, prosecution, or conviction of any person for any offence or in any other way to attempt to subvert the course of justice; or
(b) if the murder involved calculated or lengthy planning, including making an arrangement under which money or anything of value passes (or is intended to pass) from one person to another; or
(c) if the murder involved the unlawful entry into, or unlawful presence in, a dwelling place; or
(d) if the murder was committed in the course of another serious offence; or
(e) if the murder was committed with a high level of brutality, cruelty, depravity, or callousness; or
(ea) if the murder was committed as part of a terrorist act (as defined in section 5(1) of the Terrorism Suppression Act 2002); or
(f) if the deceased was a constable or a prison officer acting in the course of his or her duty; or
(g) if the deceased was particularly vulnerable because of his or her age, health, or because of any other factor; or
(h) if the offender has been convicted of 2 or more counts of murder, whether or not arising from the same circumstances; or
(i) in any other exceptional circumstances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_New_Zealand
I read the sentencing order, the first strike definitely had an impact. In part, because the previous convictions were used as a reason to uplift the sentence, but also because of section 86E of the Sentencing Act:
"When murder is a stage-2 or stage-3 offence
(1) This section applies if—
(a) an offender is convicted of murder; and
(b) that murder is a stage-2 offence or a stage-3 offence.
(2) If this section applies, the court must—
(a) sentence the offender to imprisonment for life for that murder; and
(b) order that the offender serve that sentence of imprisonment for life without parole unless the court is satisfied that, given the circumstances of the offence and the offender, it would be manifestly unjust to do so.
(3) If the court does not make an order under subsection (2)(b), the court must give written reasons for not doing so.
(4) If the court does not make an order under subsection (2)(b), the court must,—
(a) if that murder is a stage-3 offence, impose a minimum period of imprisonment of not less than 20 years unless the court is satisfied that, given the circumstances of the offence and the offender, it would be manifestly unjust to do so; and
(b) if that murder is a stage-2 offence, or if the court is satisfied that a minimum period of imprisonment of not less than 20 years under paragraph (a) would be manifestly unjust, order that the offender serve a minimum period of imprisonment in accordance with section 103.
(5) If, in the case of a stage-3 offence, the court imposes under subsection (4)(a) a minimum period of imprisonment of less than 20 years, the court must give written reasons for doing so.
(6) If, in the case of a stage-2 offence, the court makes an order under subsection (4)(b) and the offender does not, at the time of sentencing, have a record of final warning, the court must—
(a) warn the offender of the consequences if the offender is convicted of any serious violent offence committed after that warning; and
(b) record that the offender has been warned in accordance with paragraph (a).
(7) It is not necessary for a Judge to use a particular form of words in giving the warning.
(8) On the entry of a record under subsection (6)(b), the offender has a record of final warning.
(9) The court must give the offender a written notice that sets out the consequences if the offender is convicted of any serious violent offence committed after the warning given under subsection (6)(a)."
The judge found that a sentence of life without parole would be manifestly unjust, but landed on 20 years 9 months after considering all the factors.
Is this a caption contest? If it is I'm in;
Taxpayers pay to promote fishing show.
Alwyn, all that was necessary was for you (or anyone) to point out that I'd missed one.
I'm not a lawyer, so I err on the side of caution. Two mods have pointed out the need for caution here. Repeating what I had just deleted from your previous comment is either incredibly stupid or you think you get to decide what puts the site at risk (you don't). Do that again and expect a ban.
Yes. That was all I was trying to show.
I'm glad to see you have removed all the offending comments.
I need you to acknowledge what I just said. You cannot repeat something that has been deleted by a mod, even to tell a mod to remove another comment. It puts the site at risk. You're in premod until this gets sorted out.
Well can you please tell me how I can try and bring something to the attention of a moderator without it appearing on the blog?
Would it work if I was to corrupt the Mail address? If I put xxxxx@windowslive.com say would it get flagged to be looked at without going straight to the blog? After all that would be flagged as being a new commentator wouldn't it and go into moderation automatically.
Then I could say something like –
"Don't publish this.
Look at comment by Fred. He appears to me to be breaching the suppression order when he says xyz."
Would that get to a moderator and only a moderator? If it did it would seem to let me give a warning without making it public.
Or does just warning a moderator count as breaching a suppression order and get everyone in trouble?
I realise what you are on about. The problem I had was that you deleted my comment, which was fine by me, but you had missed the other ones that were even more explicit and that I was trying to bring up as being, possibly, out of line.
I thought I should make another attempt to warn you. The alternative is simply to take no action at all when a warning of some kind is appropriate.
[you seem to still be missing the key point here. Commenters ARE NOT ALLOWED to repost material that has been deleted, especially where it was deleted because it put the site at risk. If you do it is likely you will get a long ban. The only reason you haven’t is because the two mods looking at this think it’s better for the community for this exchange to be instructional.
There is zero problem with pointing out to moderators any problematic comment. Just don’t copy and paste or paraphrase it. In this case a simple reply to me saying “comment x.x.x seems to be an issue as well” or similar would have worked. Giving a link to the specific comment always helps.
Yes, making a comment with a changed name or email address will drop it into moderation (assuming it’s not been used before). Please don’t put legally problematic content in that comment, but as above give a reference to the comment you want the mods to look at, a link is best. Don’t tell mods what to do, instead let them know there is a potential problem. – weka]
mod note for you above.
Ok. I have read it and will do what you say.
"Crime, once exposed, has no refuge but in audacity." — Roman historian Tacitus