What the hell? Mahuta introduces 130 pages of changes to three waters after it passes.
“There are a significant number of amendments to that prior bill – changing the definition of stormwater which takes all road water networks out of stormwater; significant strengthening around some of the Māori elements along with expectations around the Treaty and the commitments of the CEOs [of the water entities]; the provision for charging for water services; and a significant sway of regulatory or compliance amendments,” Watts said.
Craig H you mustn't give PS insider information like that away.
Ministers do everything in their portfolios. PM does everything as well as driving trucks to restock supermarket shelves in times of shortage such as in the times of lockdown with Covid plus the actual physical shelf stocking. At least she was blamed for shortages at the time. .
Ministers are responsible for ensuring legislation passed through the house does not have '130 pages of amendments' required to a bill that 'just passed'. It's sloppy lawmaking. But heh the entire history of Mahuta's stewardship of 3 Waters has been 'sloppy', at best.
I am sure with your vast experience of working in the PCO's office etc and looking at the passage of bills through the house you will be well placed to comment on the stewardship of the Three Waters Bills through the House: not.
The Herald had to provide balance of some sort despite probably rather not having to by quoting
'A Government spokeswoman said the next bill “adds to the Waters Services Entities Act by setting out the detailed functions and powers of the entities. These amendments are largely technical and administrative in nature.
“The scale of this reform programme is significant and complex. Because of this, it requires separate Bills to deal with different matters.
“At the end of the whole parliamentary process, the legislation will be brought back together to stand up the Water Services Entities to provide drinking water, wastewater and stormwater services to New Zealand by 1 July 2024,” the spokeswoman said.
She said the Government had signalled there would be multiple bills, publicly and to the select committee.'
I think the RMA was divided into several Bills to assist passage through the house, or it was a large environmental bill that went through at the time.
The best and main point is though do we want the best legislation or not? I would be thinking the 'best' and what better time to achieve this than when the Bills are still 'live'.
On the Herald itself and its coverage Bryan Gould comments here
'With news coverage as biased as this from our leading newspaper, what chance do we have of operating an effective and working democracy?'
I class The Herald as one of the screechers like Mike Hosking.
Back in the day I used to get The Herald and it followed me on subscription to various places in NZ. It used to have a reputation as being a bit behind the eight ball, a little bit old fashioned 'Granny' being the nickname, but has changed to being strident and screechy. I got it as my 'local' to get local news/doings/real estate. At the time I got it on sub no-one really got it for the quality of its political analysis.
It is a pity that in trying to expand its national political coverage it has opted to be less than what is needed as a functioning member of the Fourth Estate.
“The scale of this reform programme is significant and complex. Because of this, it requires separate Bills to deal with different matters."
Except that this latest bill did much more than that. It was "mainly (be) a series of amendments to the second bill.". Why are such amendments due so soon after the original legislation was passed? Why could those 'amendments' not have been included in the original legislation?
The Minister has managed the 3waters program poorly, and this, more than any media coverage, has contributed to the significant public distaste for 3waters.
Watts agreed that the fact there would be multiple bills is nothing new – however, he said the Government had not been transparent about the fact this bill, the third bill in the Three Waters reform process, would mainly be a series of amendments to the second bill. [my italics]
From a cursory look at the Bill, it would seem that Watts was indeed politicking and grandstanding (aka making up shit), as suspected.
Of course he was politicking. Doesn't change a thing.
"There are a significant number of amendments to that prior bill – changing the definition of stormwater which takes all road water networks out of stormwater; significant strengthening around some of the Māori elements along with expectations around the Treaty and the commitments of the CEOs [of the water entities]; the provision for charging for water services; and a significant sway of regulatory or compliance amendments,” Watts said.
The "detailed functions and powers of the entities" should have been in the original Water Services Entities Act.
A matter of opinion. Amendments are natural part of Bills, just look at how many other amendments are in this new Bill. Three Waters reforms were always going to comprise several Bills. Watts is spinning a narrative rather than doing his job as SC member and MP, which is so typical of Nat MPs: whinge & whine but offer nothing much of substance. I can see the appeal to you because you simply are anti-Three Waters no matter what and your comments are self-serving without substance.
Interesting. Can you think of a bill that introduced amendments to an Act passed just hours before? Of course there will be plenty of examples in which a Bill was changed days before being passed into law (including a notable example recently by this same Minister). But just hours after?
Actually Td I am not sure that you are onto a point at all.
In my summation of what can happen when bills go through I think the Minister has been blessed with a good department that is following the changes made, worked out if they have implications for clauses passed or to come and they have put forward amendments on the way through. Bear in mind that this was a very complex Bill, quite confusing with amdts/counteramdts and being part of an omnibus set of legislation.
You are buying into the idea that this is
a) unusual
b) worthy of condemnation
from the statement of a new Nat MP (2 years in) who has no prior, ie in terms of previous work, legislative drafting experience, and no in house parliamentary experience in legal drafting.
He may have been on the select committee but does not seem to have kept his eyes open and absorbed what is going on. I would have thought that a member of the select cttee would have been well aware of the Dept'l workload, the huge amount of work put in by PCO & dept'l staff and of the changes that had gone though to make this workload.
(bearing in mind that select cttee members and dept'l staff usually get to be on close terms because of the work they do together.)
I actually think he would have done better to have congratulated the select cttee on the work they had done, commented that it is not done yet and work awaits if he needed to say anything at all.
Saying stuff like this just shows him to be a bit of a 'cock', dick, dork (take your pick, excuse the French). People who know how things work will be saying just that while those who don't know how things work will be saying 'shock, horror did you hear what he said….?'
He is just grandstanding or politicking as Incognito has said.
"and they have put forward amendments on the way through."
A sound legislative process would be one in which said amendments were made to the legislation as that legislation passed through the various stages of the house. Not hours after it passed into law.
Bear in mind that this was a very complex Bill, quite confusing with amdts/counteramdts and being part of an omnibus set of legislation."
Yes and I would argue that places an even greater responsibility on those responsible for the legislation to get it right.
"You are buying into the idea that this is
a) unusual
b) worthy of condemnation"
Assuming by 'this' you mean making changes to a law within hours of it passing:
a) I would expect it is highly unusual, otherwise there would be a pattern of very poor practice. But I will wait for any other examples to be provided.
b) It is certainly worthy of criticism. The entire passage of the 3Waters proposal has been tardy. Just three examples are the infantile advertising that had to be cut short, the deception around the opt out, and the potentially 'constitutionally damaging' attempt to entrench public ownership. I could give plenty more examples, and almost all will fall at the feet of the Minister. This is just the latest example.
I know that this idea of 'sloppiness' is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Hopefully though it has not been formed by the likes of the article that Anker linked to from the Herald. The article mentioned a Nat MP that they had obviously asked to comment on the 'shock, horror' expose about the amendments.
Simon Watts came into parliament in 2020 and therefore has no experince in shepherding legislation through the house from early stages to enactment. If say the Herald has got someone on the Nats side who had experience in legislation of the size and complexity of the Three Waters legislation then perhaps there would have been a point.
But as it is we have commentary breathlessly quoted from the Herald from a person who has had no relevant experience. There is no measure to say if 130 pages is more than usual, less than usual or about average.
As you have always listene to what I have to say even though we mostly would disagree, I can only give you my experiences from the departmental side and the Ministers office advisory side of two pieces of legislation where I did have some sort of experience at the stage where Three Waters is now..
Of course in many Govt depts our whole whole work lives are spent looking at legislation, amendments, writing technical policy etc about the legislation. Mine mostly was.
Anyway back to what happens that could cause 130 pages of amendments
1 the draft legislation would have come itoot parliament via PCO/legal departmental officers often many months before
2 clause are drafted to work within each other and with other parts of the bill.
3 after it has been introduced, referred to select committees, come back into the house, changed at various stages some of these clause don't work within themselves or with each other as well as they had before. This is even with the best legislative brains in the business looking at it. PCO are the best legal drafting brains.
4 the reason for this is usually time pressures.
5 once the legislation goes back to the department then the best subject matter experts will have a look and say well even though it is well drafted it will have ramifications for this section or that section and these will need to have changes made.
6 the worst case scenario is that a section is amended somewhere and that further down the track we find that a whole part of an act cannot actually work.
7 Of course everybody is working like beavers to make sure this doesn't happen, huge long hours are worked both at PCO level and departmental level. With legislation going through it was not unusual for PCO/Minister's offices and departmental legal and subject matter experts to work all day & night with minimal breaks. Having meetings at 11.00pm etc to discuss wording being surprised at one of these meetings to suddenly have the PM appear, concerned about a clause.
8 Suggestions for amendments can come from other MPs with legal drafting experience and from members of the select committees from all sides of the house.
9 This all takes time
10 So it gets enacted, and remembering there was a giant mix-up because of the entrenchment clauses lodged by Eugenie Sage.
11 So something final comes back to the department and subject matter experts look at the final product…….there may be unexpected clashes etc with other parts of bills to come, with existing legislation etc etc.
12 they will bring these to the attention of the Minister. When we did this we usually advised if we could live with the unexpected or not. If not what was the urgency in getting it fixed? Would a fix be controversial?
13 In this case because there are still parts to come and because some are urgent and some are 'well we may as well clarify while we can' they would have all gone up.
14 In our department just days after legislation had been enacted we would be starting a file series to cover amendments to it that may arise in the future. Depending how urgent and the legislative programmes these might get in the following year or in ten years time by which case they would be joined by 50 or so other proposed amendments.
So I don't think you can say that this is sloppy, in fact it is usual
As I have said you have your opinion about Hon Mahuta's handling.
Bearing mind the hugely complex bill, treading new ground I think as a Minister shepherding legislation through she is easily on a par with Minister's who have dealt with similar legislation.
In common parlance I think she 'is across' her portfolio, she would probably be able to give a commentary on some of the minutiae at the drop of a hat.
I know the two Ministers I worked for (Nat/Lab) were able to converse at length on various aspects on legislation they had got through the House. One even gave a speech on it without notes on a complicated piece of legislation from the portfolio!
Sorry for the length and again for being harsh about your opinion.
Hi S. I’ve only just seen this reply, and I really do appreciate the care you’ve taken in your response.
My view on the media is simply that editorial is the place for expressing opinion, and all other reporting should be presenting facts, without fear or favour. But I’m a dinosaur, and I have learned from personal experience that what sells is what gets printed in most cases.
Ha ha imagine how happy we would be with our media printing facts and editorials or guest comments providing the opinion.
Mind you NZ Herald has always been a bit Nat oriented per editorial stance…what seems to have changed is that the articles seem to reflect this and do not present an all sides view.
And to be simple we need all the sides so we can have good opinions, whatever they may be.
Happy New Year to you too TD……looking forward to seeing your opinions as we go forward.
Indeed, that has long been my assessment of her too Robert. She is vastly under-rated but it is to be expected since she is Maori and has a moko. Something else that is underrated is the high level of racism that exists in NZ – not that the offenders ever admit to it.
"Clearly a conscientious perfectionist". That's your best line yet. Pure gold. Passed that on to a few people here and they still haven't stopped laughing!
The folk you list are more sneerers than laughers, so I'm guessing Jester's crowd are either patients in an institution, or stoned; the sort of people who would laugh at length at a piece of string wriggling.
None were farmers that I know of. A couple of plumbers, an electrician, a builder, a lawyer, a few retail workers and some uni students. Just average people.
Yes I'm sure there were some Nat voters among them as roughly 37% of people vote Nats?
And ironically, nearly half of them were Maori (or partly). So I don't think they would be anti Maori.
But it's funny how you play the race card saying 'anti Maori people' (just like those that argue Efeso lost to Brown because of his colour, nothing to do with the fact they wanted change or thought Brown would get more done).
That Bill was introduced on 8 Dec and had its First Reading on 13 Dec. Why the whinge about it on pretty much the last day before people go on holiday? Who’s playing political games here?
Note how Granny Herald (organ of the colonial settler regime) reports every political story through a National Party lens. They could have gone to the source and asked Mahuta herself.
Tsk tsk tsk, electric car are the greenest thing for environmentally minded personz and peoplez in the parts of the world were we refuse to mine or drill because mining and drilling destroys the the environment and pollution is for poor countries, not us civilized western first world countries.. Now tell the anxious consuming masses that they should buy another battery driven gadget, replace that barely one year old communication device, get that government money for that E-car, and feel 100% green and clean and it keeps the economy going and it brings in GST and sales taxes. Woot Woot. Feel good. Feel Green. Feel Clean in your 50+ Grand vehicle. After all, what else is to life then spending money on shit no one actually needs.
Hard to find a more nauseating sight than 400 or so stupid yanks in a room all clapping like seals but there it was ….again !! just like the 'Juan Guido ' episode with Donald Trump presiding where exactly the same wierd scenes played out .
Those 400 yanks from 'both sides of the isle ' who ordinarily cant agree on anything !! yet have no trouble voting for endless war .This year its apparently more than a trillion dollars for its military not including what its spending in Ukraine .
Funniest moment is where one of the senators declares "
they're gonna track down an find out who wasnt clapping "!!!You couldnt make it up !!Ikiest moment is where zelensky kisses Nancy !! eeewww !!
Perhaps if u had half a clue of the actual subject roblogic and an appreciation of what was actually available to inform you on MSM you'd think differently but i see youre content just to go with the mob ie Zelensky is "churchilian "the Ukrainians are winning and if you dont clap its the end of the world as we know it etc etc etc …whateva ..the world will spin for a few more revolutions yet hopefully
Your reply is completely out of context to my original comment roblogic it was specifically about a room full of supposedly intelligent and very important people in AMERICA who were clapping " like seals" in other words because everybody else was clapping .The thing looked like a movie because thats exactly what it was the movie directors were 'setting the scene ' they were selling a war !
Tucker Carlson just exposed a few parts of the action afaik the only news anchor in MSM to do so and i take my hat off to him for doing so .
incidentally i could find you a hundred links detailing Ukrainian transgressions of human rights but i suggest you find them yourself war is hell on both sides of the conflict .
Now comes the claim that you can't expect to literally believe the words that come out of Carlson's mouth. And that assertion is not coming from Carlson's critics. It's being made by a federal judge in the Southern District of New York and by Fox News's own lawyers in defending Carlson against accusations of slander. It worked, by the way.
Just read U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "
Yeah i noticed that back when the story first came out , its a weird scene to be sure its America !! But just because Tucker appears to fuck up in this case does'nt negate his input to news for all time it just reemphasizes what we have always known ie caveat emptor .
American isolationism may have reached its zenith on 1940, when a group of Congress members and influential private citizens, headed by already-famed aviator Charles A. Lindbergh, formed the America First Committee (AFC) with the specific goal of preventing America from becoming involved in World War II then being waged in Europe and Asia.
When the AFC first convened on September 4, 1940, Lindbergh told the gathering that while isolationism did not mean walling off America from contact with the rest of the world, “it does mean that the future of America will not be tied to these eternal wars in Europe. It means that American boys will not be sent across the ocean to die so that England or Germany or France or Spain may dominate the other nations.”
“An independent American destiny means, on the one hand, that our soldiers will not have to fight everybody in the world who prefers some other system of life to ours. On the other hand, it means that we will fight anybody and everybody who attempts to interfere with our hemisphere,”
And if you follow Peter Zeihan, you will have heard his detailed argument that this same isolationist spirit has been gradually re-asserting itself in the US since the end of the Cold War. Obviously events like Iraq and Afghanistan ran counter to this narrative, but the undercurrent has been growing steadily. It perhaps had it's most recent and visible manifestation, in Biden's precipitous and disastrously handled withdrawal from Afghanistan, and quite likely played into Poots equally disastrous miscalculation that NATO would not care too much about Ukraine.
Carlson is giving modern voice to this very American sentiment – why should they pay in blood and treasure for wars being fought on the other side of the planet? But then reality came to visit:
After growing to over 800,000 members, the AFC disbanded on December 11, 1941, less than a week after the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. In its final press release, the Committee stated that while its efforts might have prevented it, the Pearl Harbor attack made it the duty of all Americans to support the war effort to defeat Nazism and the Axis powers.
His mind and heart changed, Lindbergh flew more than 50 combat missions in the Pacific theater as a civilian, and after the war, traveled throughout Europe helping with the U.S. military rebuild and revitalize the continent.
Both Lindbergh and Carlson are best understood in the light of this very old pattern of American thinking, born of their fight for independence from colonial empires, and fostered by a geography that literally isolates them by two oceans and grants them the option to decouple economically from much of the rest of the world if they so needed to.
But events always prove the basis of this thinking to be wrong – deluded at worst. Lindbergh to his credit changed his mind; it remains to be seen what Carlson's future holds.
There is another aspect, Tucker Carlson is in synch with the notion of a white race religion, heritage and cultural order, one that he sees Putin as part of. Even to the point of dismissing any priority to a collective defence of democratic nations. Which is only a few steps away from acceptance of doing bad things to secure domestic political victory for the GOP.
Japan attacking US homeland (50 state) territory crossed even the isolationists redline (and Hitler declared war on the USA afterwards), and of course they were in full support of a containment of Soviet communism, in defence of private ownership etc.
Well yes. Carlson is a social conservative as is much of Russian society. But it is possible to be anti-woke and yet anti-imperialist at the same time and this war is going to leave him exposed on the wrong side of history.
I think this is because Carlson represents an essentially backward looking conservatism; that lacking a positive vision for the future, clings instead to a selectively rosy view of the past. He is far from alone in this.
You reckon ? Imo the exact opposite is true , like a good deal of the information coming out of this war , casualty figures for example the line about a lie going right around the world before the truth has got its boots on has never been more apt .
Jeepers seems like not a very good fit comparing Lindbergh and Carlson red i mean Carlson just comes across to me as a salesman he's just selling fox news to the world and undoubtedly making huge money in the process i dunno how much he makes but i remember hearing that that lunatic Maddow was making 30mil annually for the four years she peddled the Russiagate hoax .
To me Tucker Carlson steps away from the 'official narrative ' just long enough for me to notice additionally he interviews people the rest of MSM considers persona non grata . I think thats a good thing .
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Mariupol, on the Azov Sea coast, was one of the first cities to suffer almost complete destruction after the start of the Ukraine War started in late February 2022. We remember the scenes of absolute destruction of the houses and city structures. The deaths of innocent civilians – many of ...
Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three. ...
Climate change is expected to generate more and more extreme events, delivering a sort of structural shock to inflation that central banks will have to react to as if they were short-term cyclical issues. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāMy pick of the six newsey things to know from Aotearoa’s ...
It’s a simple deal. We pay taxes in order to finance the social services we want and need. The carnage now occurring across the public sector though, is breaking that contract. Over 3,000 jobs have been lost so far. Many are in crucial areas like Education where the impact of ...
Hi,A friend had their 40th over the weekend and decided to theme it after Curb Your Enthusiasm fashion icon Susie Greene. Captured in my tiny kitchen before I left the house, I ending up evoking a mix of old lesbian and Hillary Clinton — both unintentional.Me vs Hillary ClintonIf you’re ...
This is a re-post from Andrew Dessler at the Climate Brink blogIn 2023, the Earth reached temperature levels unprecedented in modern times. Given that, it’s reasonable to ask: What’s going on? There’s been lots of discussions by scientists about whether this is just the normal progression of global warming or if something ...
The schools are on holiday and the sun is shining in the seaside village and all day long I have been seeing bunches of bikes; Mums, Dads, teens and toddlers chattering, laughing, happy, having a bloody great time together. Cheers, AT, for the bits of lane you’ve added lately around the ...
Today in our National-led authoritarian nightmare: Shane Jones thinks Ministers should be above the law: New Zealand First MP Shane Jones is accusing the Waitangi Tribunal of over-stepping its mandate by subpoenaing a minister for its urgent hearing on the Oranga Tamariki claim. The tribunal is looking into the ...
Bryce Edwards writes – Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. ...
Citizen Science writes – Last week saw two significant developments in the debate over the treatment of trans-identifying children and young people – the release in Britain of the final report of Dr Hilary Cass’s review into gender healthcare, and here in New Zealand, the news that the ...
One night while sleeping in my bed I had a beautiful dreamThat all the people of the world got together on the same wavelengthAnd began helping one anotherNow in this dream, universal love was the theme of the dayPeace and understanding and it happened this wayAfter such an eventful day ...
This is a guest post by Oscar Simms who is a housing activist, volunteer for the Coalition for More Homes, and was the Labour Party candidate for Auckland Central at the last election. ...
Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
Karl du Fresne writes – There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
David Farrar writes – The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time.A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brownannounced ...
You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
The Green Party has joined the call for public submissions on the fast-track legislation to be extended after the Ombudsman forced the Government to release the list of organisations invited to apply just hours before submissions close. ...
New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
The Government’s newly announced review of methane emissions reduction targets hints at its desire to delay Aotearoa New Zealand’s urgent transition to a climate safe future, the Green Party said. ...
The Government must commit to the Maitai School building project for students with high and complex needs, to ensure disabled students from the top of the South Island have somewhere to learn. ...
Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey and his Government colleagues have made a meal of their mental health commitments, showing how flimsy their efforts to champion the issue truly are, says Labour Mental Health spokesperson Ingrid Leary. ...
Māori are yet to see anything from this Government except cuts, reversals and taking our people backwards, Māori Development spokesperson Willie Jackson said. ...
The Coalition Government’s refusal to commit to ongoing funding for social housing is seeing the sector pull back on developments and families watch their dreams of securing a home fade away, says Labour Housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty. ...
Changes to minimum wage and benefit indexation means many New Zealanders will get less this year, as the Government gives a big tax break to landlords instead. ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner. The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom. “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel. “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says. "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
Health Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board. “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti. “I have asked her to ...
The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says. “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...
New Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States. “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...
Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...
New Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says. “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...
April 11, 2024 Joint Declaration by United States Secretary of State the Honorable Antony J. Blinken and New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs the Right Honourable Winston Peters We met today in Washington, D.C. to recommit to the historic partnership between our two countries and the principles that underpin it—rule ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced further New Zealand cooperation with the United States in the Pacific Islands region through $16.4 million in funding for initiatives in digital connectivity and oceans and fisheries research. “New Zealand can achieve more in the Pacific if we work together more urgently and ...
Zoë Colling’s favourite piece in the ‘That’s So Last Century’ collection is a lubrication chart for a sewing machine from the ’60s. It’s about the size of a postcard, and carefully maintained. “I like it that this piece of ephemera highlights that manual and technical side of the skill involved ...
Kia Ora Gaza A passionate haka reverberated through Auckland International Airport as a medical team of three New Zealand doctors received an emotional farewell from a big crowd of supporters before flying to Turkey to join the international Freedom Flotilla to Gaza. The doctors, who left Auckland yesterday, hope to ...
With submissions closing today, Macassey-Pickard says groups around the country have been supporting a huge range of people to make their submissions. ...
Our response to the new legislation is informed by targeted conversations with practitioners working in the system and through an implementation lens. ...
The new ‘Fast-track Approvals Bill’ would give just three Ministers the power to approve or deny development projects. They would avoid the usual checks and balances that are in place to protect rivers, land, the ocean, and communities. ...
COMMENTARY:By Eugene Doyle Helen Clark, how I miss you. The former New Zealand Prime Minister — the safest pair of hands this country has had in living memory — gave a masterclass on the importance of maintaining an independent foreign policy when she spoke at an AUKUS symposium held ...
The government's released the list of organisations provided with information on how to apply - just hours before public submissions on the bill close. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Milton Speer, Visiting Fellow, School of Mathematical and Physical Sciences, University of Technology Sydney Before climate change really got going, eastern Australia’s flash floods tended to concentrate on our coastal regions, east of the Great Dividing Range. But that’s changing. Now ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Elizabeth Finkel, Vice-Chancellor’s Fellow, La Trobe University Sia Duff / South Australian Museum In February, the South Australian Museum “re-imagined” itself. In the face of rising costs and inadequate government funds, CEO David Gaimster, who took the reins last June, declared ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alan Pearce, Professor, School of Allied Heath, Human Services & Sport, La Trobe University, La Trobe University This week, Collingwood AFL player Nathan Murphy announced his retirement, brought on by his concussion history and ongoing issues. The 24-year-old’s seemingly sudden retirement, ...
The Mental Health Foundation provides support and resources for those facing the loss of their job, so it’s wrong in the very week the Government adds another 1000 jobs to its tally of cuts, that this is happening. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Alexander Howard, Senior Lecturer, Discipline of English and Writing, University of Sydney Daniel Boud/Sydney Theatre Company Decay, terror, revulsion. These are three of the central themes of Thomas Bernhard’s rarely performed play The President. The Austrian is one of the greatest ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon says threats by ministers Shane Jones and David Seymour to reform or close down the Waitangi Tribunal were “ill-considered”, as legal experts say the ministers may have breached Cabinet Manual conventions. “I think those comments are ill-considered and we expect all ministers to actually exercise good ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ye In (Jane) Hwang, Postdoctoral Research Associate at School of Population Health, UNSW Sydney Shutterstock You’d be hard pressed to find any aspect of daily life that doesn’t require some form of digital literacy. We need only to look back ten ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Rob Newton, Professor of Exercise Medicine, Edith Cowan University Pexels/RDNE stock project You’re not in your 20s or 30s anymore and you know regular health checks are important. So you go to your GP. During the appointment they measure your waist. ...
A new poem by Evangeline Riddiford Graham. Mitochondrial Problem I. It was long drive to Kansas for the man and his dog but you have to understand he said She doesn’t fly. Which calls to mind not carsick shitting barking or whining but a dog who chooses not to as ...
The only published and available best-selling indie book chart in New Zealand is the top 10 sales list recorded every week at Unity Books’ stores in High St, Auckland, and Willis St, Wellington.AUCKLAND1 Hemingway’s Goblet by Dermot Ross (Mary Egan Publishing, $38)Hot off the press, this debut ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Laura Wajnryb McDonald, PhD candidate in Criminology, University of Sydney Less than 24 hours after Ashlee Good was murdered in Bondi Junction, her family released a statement requesting the media take down photographs they had reproduced of Ashlee and her family without ...
Chief executive Shaun Robinson said it has not had any government funding cut, but government-funded contracts have not kept pace with rising costs. ...
The Ministry of Health has delayed the release of its evidence brief on the safety, reversibility and mental health and wellbeing outcomes for puberty blockers. While we wait, Julia de Bres speaks to those with firsthand experience. Best practice gender-affirming healthcare is based on trans people’s self-determination and agency. The ...
Barcelona’s city streets have gone from traffic-clogged to pedestrian-friendly. How? Superblocks. Ellen Rykers explains. This is an excerpt from our weekly environmental newsletter Future Proof. Sign up here. Last week I read a great interview with renowned urbanist Janette Sadik-Khan by The Spinoff’s Wellington editor Joel MacManus: “You can reimagine streets, ...
Student groups ‘Climate Action VUW’, Schools Strike 4 Climate and VUWSA will be on the street in Wellington today, the last day for submissions on the Fast-track Approvals Bill, with a message that the fight against the Government’s ‘War on ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Sofia Ammassari, Research Fellow, Griffith University Since 2014, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s popularity has grown exponentially – and so has the formidable organisational machine of his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). These two factors will be key to delivering the BJP a ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Brendon Hyndman, Associate Professor of Education (Adjunct) & Senior Manager (BCE), Charles Sturt University During COVID almost all Australian students and their families experienced online learning. But while schools have long since gone back to in-person teaching, online learning has not gone ...
Yes, they’re better for the environment. No, that’s not a good enough reason for me to use them. Once every 26 days or so, my period arrives, and if struck by an act of God, I am caught red-crotched without products. How, after 17 years of this, do I still ...
“It will cause significant harm to our environment and communities. It is completely at odds with New Zealanders’ relationship with nature and our need for a low-carbon, sustainable economic future." ...
The Chair of the National Maori Authority, Matthew Tukaki, has warned a Parliamentary Select Committee that fast-tracking legislation is a perilous practice that undermines the core tenets of democracy, transparency, and accountability. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tim Tenbensel, Associate Professor, Health Policy, University of Auckland, Waipapa Taumata Rau Getty Images Since coming into power, the coalition government has adopted a simple but shrewd see-how-fast-we-can-move political strategy. However, in the health sector this need for speed entails ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Anastasia Hronis, Clinical Psychologist, University of Technology Sydney Darya Sannikova/Pexels Whether you’re watching TV, attending a footy game, or eating a meal at your local pub, gambling is hard to escape. Although the rise of gambling is not unique to Australia, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Mark Wong, Forrest Fellow, School of Biological Sciences, The University of Western Australia Have you ever wondered if there are more insects out at night than during the day? We set out to answer this question by combing through the scientific ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Carol T Kulik, Research Professor, University of South Australia IR Stone/Shutterstock In Australia, it’s not the done thing to know – let alone ask – what our colleagues are paid. Yet, it’s easy to see how pay transparency can make pay ...
The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) is sounding a warning to migrants, that running foul of the law may see them leaving the country prematurely. ...
The government’s plan to get 50,000 people off jobseeker support by 2030 has had a rocky start, writes Catherine McGregor in this excerpt from The Bulletin, The Spinoff’s morning news round-up. To receive The Bulletin in full each weekday, sign up here. Beneficiary numbers are up – and so are ...
Raglan Roast is a staple of Wellington coffee culture. But with five branches across the capital, which one is the best? I am a die-hard Raglan Roast fan. It’s consistently the most affordable cafe in Wellington, and one of the only places you can get a coffee after 3pm. So, ...
Residents of University of Auckland halls are being urged to withhold their accommodation fees from May 1, in a bid to force the university to take student concerns over rent hikes seriously.The University of Auckland is facing a strike from students over the cost of on-campus accommodation. The Students ...
New Zealand and the Philippines have signed a new maritime security agreement and stated their concerns over activity in the South China Sea, as Chinese vessels continue to flout international law. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Philippines President Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos committed to signing a Mutual Logistics Supporting Arrangement by ...
The thousands of government “back-office” job cuts are causing widespread pain in the capital city. In today’s episode of The Detail, we speak to three journalists and a think tank researcher, looking at the larger picture around the cuts and what effect it will have on Wellington, a city that’s ...
Opinion: The famed American architect and urban designer Daniel Burnham once said, “Make no little plans. They have no magic to stir men’s blood!” Burnham wouldn’t have been referring to the transport plans in Aotearoa New Zealand over the past five years; projects so big they hadn’t the credibility to ...
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Hineaupounamu ‘Missy’ Nuku has been scaling mountains in Canada for her college basketball team, the Lakeland Rustlers. Alberta is currently home for the 20-year-old point guard, who is in her first year of a scholarship at Lakeland College, where she is studying for a business degree. She has certainly made ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra When ASIO boss Mike Burgess delivered his annual threat assessment earlier this year, he stressed the rising danger posed by espionage and foreign interference. “In 2024, threats to our way of life have surpassed ...
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/three-waters-nanaia-mahuta-introduces-130-pages-of-changes-to-a-law-hours-after-passing-it/23EV4NZJ4RC37L3HSKOYDNH5FE/
What the hell? Mahuta introduces 130 pages of changes to three waters after it passes.
“There are a significant number of amendments to that prior bill – changing the definition of stormwater which takes all road water networks out of stormwater; significant strengthening around some of the Māori elements along with expectations around the Treaty and the commitments of the CEOs [of the water entities]; the provision for charging for water services; and a significant sway of regulatory or compliance amendments,” Watts said.
Fine-tuning. Clearly a conscientious perfectionist, intent on forging the very best bill possible.
Good on her.
Nanaia Muhuta is an intelligent, hard-working, sincere person, perfectly suited to the role she has been assigned.
‘Fine tuning’? After all the time she’s had to write this legislation? I don’t think so.
I have my doubts that the Minister actually personally drafted the legislation…
Craig H you mustn't give PS insider information like that away.
Ministers do everything in their portfolios. PM does everything as well as driving trucks to restock supermarket shelves in times of shortage such as in the times of lockdown with Covid plus the actual physical shelf stocking. At least she was blamed for shortages at the time. .
Ministers are responsible for ensuring legislation passed through the house does not have '130 pages of amendments' required to a bill that 'just passed'. It's sloppy lawmaking. But heh the entire history of Mahuta's stewardship of 3 Waters has been 'sloppy', at best.
I am sure with your vast experience of working in the PCO's office etc and looking at the passage of bills through the house you will be well placed to comment on the stewardship of the Three Waters Bills through the House: not.
The Herald had to provide balance of some sort despite probably rather not having to by quoting
'A Government spokeswoman said the next bill “adds to the Waters Services Entities Act by setting out the detailed functions and powers of the entities. These amendments are largely technical and administrative in nature.
“The scale of this reform programme is significant and complex. Because of this, it requires separate Bills to deal with different matters.
“At the end of the whole parliamentary process, the legislation will be brought back together to stand up the Water Services Entities to provide drinking water, wastewater and stormwater services to New Zealand by 1 July 2024,” the spokeswoman said.
She said the Government had signalled there would be multiple bills, publicly and to the select committee.'
I think the RMA was divided into several Bills to assist passage through the house, or it was a large environmental bill that went through at the time.
The best and main point is though do we want the best legislation or not? I would be thinking the 'best' and what better time to achieve this than when the Bills are still 'live'.
On the Herald itself and its coverage Bryan Gould comments here
https://bryangould.com/theherald-a-joke/
He concludes:
'With news coverage as biased as this from our leading newspaper, what chance do we have of operating an effective and working democracy?'
I class The Herald as one of the screechers like Mike Hosking.
Back in the day I used to get The Herald and it followed me on subscription to various places in NZ. It used to have a reputation as being a bit behind the eight ball, a little bit old fashioned 'Granny' being the nickname, but has changed to being strident and screechy. I got it as my 'local' to get local news/doings/real estate. At the time I got it on sub no-one really got it for the quality of its political analysis.
It is a pity that in trying to expand its national political coverage it has opted to be less than what is needed as a functioning member of the Fourth Estate.
“The scale of this reform programme is significant and complex. Because of this, it requires separate Bills to deal with different matters."
Except that this latest bill did much more than that. It was "mainly (be) a series of amendments to the second bill.". Why are such amendments due so soon after the original legislation was passed? Why could those 'amendments' not have been included in the original legislation?
The Minister has managed the 3waters program poorly, and this, more than any media coverage, has contributed to the significant public distaste for 3waters.
From a cursory look at the Bill, it would seem that Watts was indeed politicking and grandstanding (aka making up shit), as suspected.
https://legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2022/0210/latest/whole.html#LMS794055
As a member of the responsible Select Committee he was probably also complaining that he’s in over his head because these Bills are hugely complex.
Of course he was politicking. Doesn't change a thing.
"There are a significant number of amendments to that prior bill – changing the definition of stormwater which takes all road water networks out of stormwater; significant strengthening around some of the Māori elements along with expectations around the Treaty and the commitments of the CEOs [of the water entities]; the provision for charging for water services; and a significant sway of regulatory or compliance amendments,” Watts said.
The "detailed functions and powers of the entities" should have been in the original Water Services Entities Act.
A matter of opinion. Amendments are natural part of Bills, just look at how many other amendments are in this new Bill. Three Waters reforms were always going to comprise several Bills. Watts is spinning a narrative rather than doing his job as SC member and MP, which is so typical of Nat MPs: whinge & whine but offer nothing much of substance. I can see the appeal to you because you simply are anti-Three Waters no matter what and your comments are self-serving without substance.
"Amendments are natural part of Bills…"
Interesting. Can you think of a bill that introduced amendments to an Act passed just hours before? Of course there will be plenty of examples in which a Bill was changed days before being passed into law (including a notable example recently by this same Minister). But just hours after?
Actually Td I am not sure that you are onto a point at all.
In my summation of what can happen when bills go through I think the Minister has been blessed with a good department that is following the changes made, worked out if they have implications for clauses passed or to come and they have put forward amendments on the way through. Bear in mind that this was a very complex Bill, quite confusing with amdts/counteramdts and being part of an omnibus set of legislation.
You are buying into the idea that this is
a) unusual
b) worthy of condemnation
from the statement of a new Nat MP (2 years in) who has no prior, ie in terms of previous work, legislative drafting experience, and no in house parliamentary experience in legal drafting.
He may have been on the select committee but does not seem to have kept his eyes open and absorbed what is going on. I would have thought that a member of the select cttee would have been well aware of the Dept'l workload, the huge amount of work put in by PCO & dept'l staff and of the changes that had gone though to make this workload.
(bearing in mind that select cttee members and dept'l staff usually get to be on close terms because of the work they do together.)
I actually think he would have done better to have congratulated the select cttee on the work they had done, commented that it is not done yet and work awaits if he needed to say anything at all.
Saying stuff like this just shows him to be a bit of a 'cock', dick, dork (take your pick, excuse the French). People who know how things work will be saying just that while those who don't know how things work will be saying 'shock, horror did you hear what he said….?'
He is just grandstanding or politicking as Incognito has said.
"and they have put forward amendments on the way through."
A sound legislative process would be one in which said amendments were made to the legislation as that legislation passed through the various stages of the house. Not hours after it passed into law.
Bear in mind that this was a very complex Bill, quite confusing with amdts/counteramdts and being part of an omnibus set of legislation."
Yes and I would argue that places an even greater responsibility on those responsible for the legislation to get it right.
"You are buying into the idea that this is
a) unusual
b) worthy of condemnation"
Assuming by 'this' you mean making changes to a law within hours of it passing:
a) I would expect it is highly unusual, otherwise there would be a pattern of very poor practice. But I will wait for any other examples to be provided.
b) It is certainly worthy of criticism. The entire passage of the 3Waters proposal has been tardy. Just three examples are the infantile advertising that had to be cut short, the deception around the opt out, and the potentially 'constitutionally damaging' attempt to entrench public ownership. I could give plenty more examples, and almost all will fall at the feet of the Minister. This is just the latest example.
TD my response at 3.40pm 25/12/22 was harsh.
I know that this idea of 'sloppiness' is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Hopefully though it has not been formed by the likes of the article that Anker linked to from the Herald. The article mentioned a Nat MP that they had obviously asked to comment on the 'shock, horror' expose about the amendments.
Simon Watts came into parliament in 2020 and therefore has no experince in shepherding legislation through the house from early stages to enactment. If say the Herald has got someone on the Nats side who had experience in legislation of the size and complexity of the Three Waters legislation then perhaps there would have been a point.
But as it is we have commentary breathlessly quoted from the Herald from a person who has had no relevant experience. There is no measure to say if 130 pages is more than usual, less than usual or about average.
As you have always listene to what I have to say even though we mostly would disagree, I can only give you my experiences from the departmental side and the Ministers office advisory side of two pieces of legislation where I did have some sort of experience at the stage where Three Waters is now..
Of course in many Govt depts our whole whole work lives are spent looking at legislation, amendments, writing technical policy etc about the legislation. Mine mostly was.
Anyway back to what happens that could cause 130 pages of amendments
1 the draft legislation would have come itoot parliament via PCO/legal departmental officers often many months before
2 clause are drafted to work within each other and with other parts of the bill.
3 after it has been introduced, referred to select committees, come back into the house, changed at various stages some of these clause don't work within themselves or with each other as well as they had before. This is even with the best legislative brains in the business looking at it. PCO are the best legal drafting brains.
4 the reason for this is usually time pressures.
5 once the legislation goes back to the department then the best subject matter experts will have a look and say well even though it is well drafted it will have ramifications for this section or that section and these will need to have changes made.
6 the worst case scenario is that a section is amended somewhere and that further down the track we find that a whole part of an act cannot actually work.
7 Of course everybody is working like beavers to make sure this doesn't happen, huge long hours are worked both at PCO level and departmental level. With legislation going through it was not unusual for PCO/Minister's offices and departmental legal and subject matter experts to work all day & night with minimal breaks. Having meetings at 11.00pm etc to discuss wording being surprised at one of these meetings to suddenly have the PM appear, concerned about a clause.
8 Suggestions for amendments can come from other MPs with legal drafting experience and from members of the select committees from all sides of the house.
9 This all takes time
10 So it gets enacted, and remembering there was a giant mix-up because of the entrenchment clauses lodged by Eugenie Sage.
11 So something final comes back to the department and subject matter experts look at the final product…….there may be unexpected clashes etc with other parts of bills to come, with existing legislation etc etc.
12 they will bring these to the attention of the Minister. When we did this we usually advised if we could live with the unexpected or not. If not what was the urgency in getting it fixed? Would a fix be controversial?
13 In this case because there are still parts to come and because some are urgent and some are 'well we may as well clarify while we can' they would have all gone up.
14 In our department just days after legislation had been enacted we would be starting a file series to cover amendments to it that may arise in the future. Depending how urgent and the legislative programmes these might get in the following year or in ten years time by which case they would be joined by 50 or so other proposed amendments.
So I don't think you can say that this is sloppy, in fact it is usual
As I have said you have your opinion about Hon Mahuta's handling.
Bearing mind the hugely complex bill, treading new ground I think as a Minister shepherding legislation through she is easily on a par with Minister's who have dealt with similar legislation.
In common parlance I think she 'is across' her portfolio, she would probably be able to give a commentary on some of the minutiae at the drop of a hat.
I know the two Ministers I worked for (Nat/Lab) were able to converse at length on various aspects on legislation they had got through the House. One even gave a speech on it without notes on a complicated piece of legislation from the portfolio!
Sorry for the length and again for being harsh about your opinion.
Hi S. I’ve only just seen this reply, and I really do appreciate the care you’ve taken in your response.
My view on the media is simply that editorial is the place for expressing opinion, and all other reporting should be presenting facts, without fear or favour. But I’m a dinosaur, and I have learned from personal experience that what sells is what gets printed in most cases.
Have a thoroughly good new year.
Well I'm joining you in dinosaur land.
Ha ha imagine how happy we would be with our media printing facts and editorials or guest comments providing the opinion.
Mind you NZ Herald has always been a bit Nat oriented per editorial stance…what seems to have changed is that the articles seem to reflect this and do not present an all sides view.
And to be simple we need all the sides so we can have good opinions, whatever they may be.
Happy New Year to you too TD……looking forward to seeing your opinions as we go forward.
Indeed, that has long been my assessment of her too Robert. She is vastly under-rated but it is to be expected since she is Maori and has a moko. Something else that is underrated is the high level of racism that exists in NZ – not that the offenders ever admit to it.
"Clearly a conscientious perfectionist". That's your best line yet. Pure gold. Passed that on to a few people here and they still haven't stopped laughing!
Why?
Is it funny to some people? What kind of people would these be?
Nat voters
Anti Maori people ie prejudiced people?
People who drive tractors with silly signs on them?
We are waiting in anticipation
The folk you list are more sneerers than laughers, so I'm guessing Jester's crowd are either patients in an institution, or stoned; the sort of people who would laugh at length at a piece of string wriggling.
Goodness what a way with words Robert, love it
None were farmers that I know of. A couple of plumbers, an electrician, a builder, a lawyer, a few retail workers and some uni students. Just average people.
So no anti Maori people and no Nat voters?
Though I prefer to think of these contacts of yours as those who wouwith strange senses of humour.
The people I know laugh at things that are really funny like the jokes in Christmas crackers.
Yes I'm sure there were some Nat voters among them as roughly 37% of people vote Nats?
And ironically, nearly half of them were Maori (or partly). So I don't think they would be anti Maori.
But it's funny how you play the race card saying 'anti Maori people' (just like those that argue Efeso lost to Brown because of his colour, nothing to do with the fact they wanted change or thought Brown would get more done).
That Bill was introduced on 8 Dec and had its First Reading on 13 Dec. Why the whinge about it on pretty much the last day before people go on holiday? Who’s playing political games here?
Note how Granny Herald (organ of the colonial settler regime) reports every political story through a National Party lens. They could have gone to the source and asked Mahuta herself.
Twats
And it has not gone unnoticed by Bryan Gould
https://bryangould.com/theherald-a-joke/
Mayor Brown is boosting staff morale.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/130848666/auckland-council-staff-report-mayor-wayne-brown-over-upsetting-comments-in-the-workplace
They make it sound like the first time he has done a job like this, so needs to be instructed.
Perhaps a reminder of his people skills would suffice?
This may be as good as they get, it seems.
It explains his rather bloated team of minders to keep him out of trouble aka don’t give interviews, dodge questions, and engage with staff in lifts.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/130719437/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-pays-four-staff-250k-a-year–as-did-his-predecessor
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-earmarks-415k-to-matthew-hooton-and-key-advisors-after-pledge-to-slash-council-salaries/B6AO72ETCVCKNKVVHK75GLBKLY/
Enjoy watching this on your cell phone or Ipad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWvk3gJ_7E
Tsk tsk tsk, electric car are the greenest thing for environmentally minded personz and peoplez in the parts of the world were we refuse to mine or drill because mining and drilling destroys the the environment and pollution is for poor countries, not us civilized western first world countries.. Now tell the anxious consuming masses that they should buy another battery driven gadget, replace that barely one year old communication device, get that government money for that E-car, and feel 100% green and clean and it keeps the economy going and it brings in GST and sales taxes. Woot Woot. Feel good. Feel Green. Feel Clean in your 50+ Grand vehicle. After all, what else is to life then spending money on shit no one actually needs.
Hear, hear.
Hard to find a more nauseating sight than 400 or so stupid yanks in a room all clapping like seals but there it was ….again !! just like the 'Juan Guido ' episode with Donald Trump presiding where exactly the same wierd scenes played out .
Those 400 yanks from 'both sides of the isle ' who ordinarily cant agree on anything !! yet have no trouble voting for endless war .This year its apparently more than a trillion dollars for its military not including what its spending in Ukraine .
Funniest moment is where one of the senators declares "
they're gonna track down an find out who wasnt clapping "!!!You couldnt make it up !!Ikiest moment is where zelensky kisses Nancy !! eeewww !!
Tucker nails it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs3ZOH3__Do
Hard to find a more nauseating sight than a clip of Tucker Carlson 🤮
I couldnt watch him every night but like i said he nails it here and for MSM he quite often does imo
[Please, fix your user name – Incognito]
Mod note
Done
True ‘dat Roblogic and so consistently wrong as well.
You may as well just go baaaa baa baaa shanreagh
lol, says the Fox News viewer
Perhaps if u had half a clue of the actual subject roblogic and an appreciation of what was actually available to inform you on MSM you'd think differently but i see youre content just to go with the mob ie Zelensky is "churchilian "the Ukrainians are winning and if you dont clap its the end of the world as we know it etc etc etc …whateva ..the world will spin for a few more revolutions yet hopefully
War crimes in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine – Wikipedia
Russia accused of war crimes cover-up by razing Ukraine theatre
etc., etc.
Your reply is completely out of context to my original comment roblogic it was specifically about a room full of supposedly intelligent and very important people in AMERICA who were clapping " like seals" in other words because everybody else was clapping .The thing looked like a movie because thats exactly what it was the movie directors were 'setting the scene ' they were selling a war !
Tucker Carlson just exposed a few parts of the action afaik the only news anchor in MSM to do so and i take my hat off to him for doing so .
incidentally i could find you a hundred links detailing Ukrainian transgressions of human rights but i suggest you find them yourself war is hell on both sides of the conflict .
You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers
Not believing facts etc
Yeah i noticed that back when the story first came out , its a weird scene to be sure its America !! But just because Tucker appears to fuck up in this case does'nt negate his input to news for all time it just reemphasizes what we have always known ie caveat emptor .
Easy.
The nauseatingly sinister sight of a white nationalist proclaiming a prominent Jewish politician as having "declared war against Christianity"
A close second is you and your ilk lapping up Carlson's blood libel.
Why dont you just accuse Tucker of being " anti semetic ' joe ? or is that phrase a bit too jaded ,even for you ?
Tucker Carlson has some historic parallels with Charles Lindbergh, another very high profile figure in American history.
Lindbergh was the figurehead of American isolationism in the early 1940's:
And if you follow Peter Zeihan, you will have heard his detailed argument that this same isolationist spirit has been gradually re-asserting itself in the US since the end of the Cold War. Obviously events like Iraq and Afghanistan ran counter to this narrative, but the undercurrent has been growing steadily. It perhaps had it's most recent and visible manifestation, in Biden's precipitous and disastrously handled withdrawal from Afghanistan, and quite likely played into Poots equally disastrous miscalculation that NATO would not care too much about Ukraine.
Carlson is giving modern voice to this very American sentiment – why should they pay in blood and treasure for wars being fought on the other side of the planet? But then reality came to visit:
Both Lindbergh and Carlson are best understood in the light of this very old pattern of American thinking, born of their fight for independence from colonial empires, and fostered by a geography that literally isolates them by two oceans and grants them the option to decouple economically from much of the rest of the world if they so needed to.
But events always prove the basis of this thinking to be wrong – deluded at worst. Lindbergh to his credit changed his mind; it remains to be seen what Carlson's future holds.
There is another aspect, Tucker Carlson is in synch with the notion of a white race religion, heritage and cultural order, one that he sees Putin as part of. Even to the point of dismissing any priority to a collective defence of democratic nations. Which is only a few steps away from acceptance of doing bad things to secure domestic political victory for the GOP.
Japan attacking US homeland (50 state) territory crossed even the isolationists redline (and Hitler declared war on the USA afterwards), and of course they were in full support of a containment of Soviet communism, in defence of private ownership etc.
Well yes. Carlson is a social conservative as is much of Russian society. But it is possible to be anti-woke and yet anti-imperialist at the same time and this war is going to leave him exposed on the wrong side of history.
I think this is because Carlson represents an essentially backward looking conservatism; that lacking a positive vision for the future, clings instead to a selectively rosy view of the past. He is far from alone in this.
" the wrong side of history "
You reckon ? Imo the exact opposite is true , like a good deal of the information coming out of this war , casualty figures for example the line about a lie going right around the world before the truth has got its boots on has never been more apt .
Jeepers seems like not a very good fit comparing Lindbergh and Carlson red i mean Carlson just comes across to me as a salesman he's just selling fox news to the world and undoubtedly making huge money in the process i dunno how much he makes but i remember hearing that that lunatic Maddow was making 30mil annually for the four years she peddled the Russiagate hoax .
To me Tucker Carlson steps away from the 'official narrative ' just long enough for me to notice additionally he interviews people the rest of MSM considers persona non grata . I think thats a good thing .