Daily Review 24/04/2018

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    • Macro 1.1
      24 April 2018 at 6:55 pm

      It’s all about knowing which side of the bread is buttered…
      75% of the evangelical right support the Chump.
      The median age of Faux News viewers is around 80.
      But the Chump is born again – He even knows there’s a “Book” and his second favourite viewing after Fox is!!!….
      Trinity Broadcasting Network
      Featuring Mike Huckerbee – Sarah’s dad
      And..
      Trump has appeared 11 times on CBN (Christian Broadcasting Network) since his campaign began; in 2017 alone, he gave more interviews to CBN than to CNN, ABC or CBS.

      “This is an evangelical Cabinet,” says Jerry Johnson, president of the National Religious Broadcasters. “You’re looking at name-brand conservative evangelicals that are very comfortable talking to Christian media types.” Jeff Sessions, Scott Pruitt, Rick Perry, Ben Carson and Pence, all evangelical Christians who talk frequently about faith, are among those who have appeared on CBN since Trump took office. And CBN has closely covered what it calls a “spiritual awakening” at the White House, including Oval Office prayers and a weekly Bible study involving many Cabinet members, at one point including Betsy DeVos and the now-departed Tom Price.

      https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/04/22/trump-christian-evangelical-conservatives-television-tbn-cbn-218008

  2. Ed 2
    24 April 2018 at 6:18 pm

    Tourists are waking up to the fact that NZ is neither clean nor green.

    “New Zealand is not some ideal country that’s found the balance between people and nature, like 100% Pure New Zealand advertises,” he wrote.

    “Plastic and trash are abundant, and though there is recycling, it’s not engrained in the culture.

    “As a byproduct, the culture creates a lot of trash and they haven’t found a sustainable solution for disposing it, or curbing its consumerist culture.”

    He said New Zealand’s “excessive” meat and dairy consumption is creating environmental disasters because farmers don’t do enough to prevent cow manure from leaching into the waterways.

    “While NZ boasts many of the world’s remaining clean rivers, they’re getting increasingly polluted. It seemed like the media seldom covered this, but the Kiwis I met were fully aware of it.”

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/04/i-feel-cheated-us-backpacker-says-nz-s-clean-green-image-is-a-myth.html

    • AB 2.1
      24 April 2018 at 7:36 pm

      This is not even controversial any more – fact is that we have some nice places left because it’s a relatively large landmass with relatively few people in some parts of it.
      That’s all – it doesn’t mean we aren’t a dirty, greedy bunch just like everywhere else. I’ve been explaining this to tourists for 40 years and they all recognise the truth instantly.

    • Sacha 2.2
      24 April 2018 at 7:55 pm

      “New Zealand’s ‘excessive’ meat and dairy consumption ”

      *Production* for export.

    • Draco T Bastard 2.3
      24 April 2018 at 8:11 pm

      If we’re still using that 100% Pure then it’s a lie and should probably be taken to court as false advertising.

  3. Gabby 3
    24 April 2018 at 6:43 pm

    You didn’t corner the poor bugger in a pub for an hour did you eddy?

  4. Ad 4
    24 April 2018 at 6:46 pm

    Hasler would be good for the Kiwis.

    Toovey could take on the Silver Ferns 🙂 with a stepladder.

    Sadly we don’t have a shitshow tomorrow.

  5. Chris 5
    24 April 2018 at 6:59 pm

    Let’s hope Ardern doesn’t limit the “culture change” to trying to reduce the number of administrative blunders:

    “For instance someone who didn’t realise they had a benefit, who subsequently had their benefit cut off, who went in to seek another appointment immediately to try and rectify the situation only to be told the books were full and they would have to come back in several weeks.”

    Way more than that needs an “overhaul”.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103365045/prime-minister-says-welfare-overhaul-is-imminent

    • AsleepWhileWalking 5.1
      24 April 2018 at 7:54 pm

      Well its a start.

      • Chris 5.1.1
        24 April 2018 at 8:23 pm

        I think we’re well beyond accepting that “a step in the right direction” is an appropriate response. Serious legislative change is what’s required. Anything less will quite justifiably be dismissed as more of the same.

    • ianmac 5.2
      24 April 2018 at 8:13 pm

      And of course it was common for years and not just a recent Labour event. Take a while to disinfect.

    • Cinny 5.3
      24 April 2018 at 10:04 pm

      Good stuff, let’s hope they ask the people that use the service for feedback, as well as those who work there.

      There was a thread on here awhile back with some awesome suggestions for improvements.

    • Draco T Bastard 5.4
      24 April 2018 at 10:18 pm

      National’s Social Development spokeswoman Louise Upston said any overhaul must not lessen incentives to find work.

      The incentives to find work is, according to National and the economists, being paid. If that’s not working then perhaps employers need to pay more.

      Then, of course, there’s the lack of jobs. If there aren’t enough jobs to go round then there’s going to be unemployment and there’s nothing that the unemployed can do about that.

      So, why are National so determined to punish people for something that is beyond their control and is, as a matter of fact, in the governments control?

      Is it, perhaps, to distract from the fact that the National government was purposefully keeping the number of jobs down so as to decrease wages?

      “New Zealanders are a fair minded people who want to help those who fall on hard times. But they also believe that people should help themselves and when they can work they should,” Upston said.

      People work when they can. Don’t need any punishments to get that happening.

      “Anyone who needs access to welfare can get it. It’s only right that they in return they meet obligations including looking for work, turning up to appointments, staying drug free and being honest about their living arrangements.

      “It’s the clear expectation of tax payers that if beneficiaries are not doing that, then there should be sanctions.”

      People’s living arrangement should have nothing to do with getting an unemployment benefit or not. If they’re unemployed then they should simply get it. The incentives for going to work should be enough. If they’re not then punish the people who are making it that way – the employers.

      That is representative of the bold, brave moves of so many parents across New Zealand who’ve made the decision to get off a benefit and into work.”

      She, of course, means forced off under National’s oppressive regime with no knowledge of what actually happened to them.

      • Chris 5.4.1
        24 April 2018 at 10:29 pm

        “She, of course, means forced off under National’s oppressive regime with no knowledge of what actually happened to them.”

        This government’s at no time talked about whether it’s committed to fixing this. The problem’s been around since the Shipley years – since the 1991 benefit cuts to be precise – but until something’s done about it current statistics about benefit numbers are meaningless.

      • millsy 5.4.2
        25 April 2018 at 9:59 am

        There are plenty of jobs, but employers are pretty picky these days.

        • Draco T Bastard 5.4.2.1
          25 April 2018 at 11:01 am

          Then explain unemployment. Explain why when a job is advertised that there’s more people applying for it than the job requires.

          The evidence refutes that there’s enough jobs available.

  7. joe90 7
    24 April 2018 at 9:04 pm

    ‘Murica

    .

    Can’t sit at Starbucks. Can’t ask for utensils at Waffle House. Can’t use our gym memberships. And now, apparently, can’t use golf memberships either. Think about the psychic cost of being one of us in 2018. And, if your name is John Aravosis, consider shutting the fuck up. https://t.co/zIsbHexxBc— Not THAT Jamie, k? (@thewayoftheid) April 23, 2018

    YORK, Pa. (AP) — A golf club in Pennsylvania has apologized for calling police on a group of black women after the co-owner and his father said they were playing too slowly and refused requests to leave the course.

    “I felt we were discriminated against,” one of the women, Myneca Ojo, told the York Daily Record. “It was a horrific experience.

    https://apnews.com/amp/95e02521b2884a2abd1470fd9b6fecbb?__twitter_impression=true

    #LivingWhileBlack

  8. AsleepWhileWalking 8
    24 April 2018 at 9:23 pm

    Holy shit…Salvation Army says its getting 300 new families each week seeking assistance.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018642099

  9. joe90 9
    24 April 2018 at 9:35 pm

    This is going to end well, right?

    Russia could supply Syria with advanced S-300 missile systems in the near future, Russian military sources have told the Kommersant newspaper, warning Israel would “suffer catastrophic consequences” if it attacked the system.

    The daily newspaper said experts believed Israel would react negatively to any decision to supply the missiles to Syria, and might bomb the area where they would be deployed.

    “If Israel decides to carry out rocket strikes on the deployment locations of the S-300, the consequences will be catastrophic for all sides,” an unnamed military source said.

    A Russian diplomat who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity said Israel has asked Moscow not to supply the Syrian military with the S-300s. An Israeli government spokesman declined comment.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/russia-syria-israel-missile-systems-army-air-strikes-assad-regime-a8318256.html?

    • Draco T Bastard 9.1
      24 April 2018 at 10:34 pm

      A Russian diplomat who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity said Israel has asked Moscow not to supply the Syrian military with the S-300s. An Israeli government spokesman declined comment.

      Well, according to Israel, the UK, the US and international law all countries have the right to defend themselves.

      Seems to me that Israel is demanding that some countries not be able to.

      • McFlock 9.1.1
        24 April 2018 at 10:42 pm

        Hypocrisy aside, I guess maybe they didn’t shoot down all those jizzm-ers a few days back.

      • joe90 9.1.2
        24 April 2018 at 10:49 pm

        Translated Russian language article with more details.

        In addition to internal circumstances, there were external ones: the Syrian S-300 supply was constantly criticized by Israel, who believed that, having received such a powerful weapon, the Syrian military could control its airspace. Eventually, at the request of Tel Aviv, the contract was canceled. “The Israelis expressed concern about the delivery of the same S-300 systems to another country in the region, since the S-300 can get Israeli territory from its territory,” President Vladimir Putin said during a direct line on April 16, 2015 , clarifying that Russia’s concern has divided and returned to the customer about $ 400 million in advance. Subsequently, these S-300PMU-2 were adapted to the requirements of another customer – Iran, who bought them for $ 1 billion ( see “Kommersant” on November 10, 2015 ).

        https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommersant.ru%2Fdoc%2F3612197&edit-text=&act=url

  10. joe90 10
    24 April 2018 at 10:20 pm

    I knew the man was prolific, but an album every year for the next century, wow.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpGA0azFdCs

    But the real treat? A series of images from inside the legendary vault at Paisley Park, which had been rumoured to exist for many years but which no one, outside of a select few, had ever seen, as well as amazing images of Prince’s collection of equipment, his studio, and his Paisley Park ‘club’.

    In 2015, Prince’s former sound engineer Susan Rodgers told The Guardian: “When I left in 87, it was nearly full. Row after row of everything we’d done. I can’t imagine what they’ve done since then.”

    Well, you can see for yourself below.

    Only Prince himself knew the key code for the door, so it had to be drilled open, with the estate’s archivist apparently discovering enough unreleased music to release a new album “every year for the next century”.

    https://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/music/prince-underground-music-vault-photos-images-paisley-park/354202

    • adam 10.1
      24 April 2018 at 10:55 pm

      Thanks for links joe90.

      Have to say I’m not surprised it read it was fentanyl that killed him. Scary stuff fentanyl, if half of what I’m hearing from disabled friends who have tried it say is true, we should not let it into NZ.

      • joe90 10.1.1
        24 April 2018 at 11:00 pm

        It’s already here as an analgesic of last resort.

        .

        The coroner has ruled that a Whanganui electrician found dead with syringes beside him and a glass pipe in his hand died from an accidental overdose.

        Paul Haydon Alexander Cook was found dead in a bedroom at his parents’ house in Whanganui about 5pm on April 2, 2016.

        The direct cause of his death was multiple drug toxicity – the two drugs in his system were the opioid Fentanyl which is 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine, and Notriptyline.

        Around eight years before his death, the 24-year-old suffered a shoulder injury in a quad bike accident.

        Two and a half years later he aggravated his injury and underwent surgery, but remained in constant pain. His doctors were never able to diagnose the cause or treat it with anything other than pain medication.

        Paul’s mother, Tina, said he suffered multiple overdoses in the last two and a half years of his life.

        […]

        After the post-mortem, Dr Kate White concluded the cause of Cook’s death was multiple drug toxicity, as a result of intravenous injection of Fentanyl while Paul was also using transdermal patches containing Fentanyl.

        Coroner Tim Scott ruled that it was unlikely Paul overdosed to commit suicide, instead he believed the most probable reason for him using the drugs was as self-administered pain relief.

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=11964125

        • adam 10.1.1.1
          24 April 2018 at 11:12 pm

          I thought it was only last resort to people at death’s door, not to a 24 year old, suffering with chronic pain syndrome.

          • joe90 10.1.1.1.1
            25 April 2018 at 12:02 am

            Shoulder injuries of any kind are a bastard. Incredibly painful, debilitating, and they, if they ever do, take many, many, years to fully heal and I find your characterisation of that level of suffering as chronic pain syndrome a fucking insult.

            • adam 10.1.1.1.1.1
              25 April 2018 at 12:21 am

              Oh do go jump in a pile of your own sh*t joe90, I’m sick of you creating fake things to be offended by.

              I’ve had chronic pain syndrome for over 35 years, it’s a broad medical description. Generally used to cover any condition the medical profession have difficult diagnosing when it comes to pain.

              Ever few years it’s the term changes, for example “Complex regional pain syndrome” was popular there for a bit. Now back to chronic pain syndrome, because it’s a bit more clear especially when you break it into single words – chronic, pain, and syndrome.

              .

              • adam …
                25 April 2018 at 12:34 am

                Because basically at 24 the medical profession has a lot of options, not just hard core pain killers. It’s just we live in a world where they don’t look at those options because of expense, because it’s simpler and cheaper to just medicate.

                Those option included, but are not excluded to: the pain service, mindfulness (which takes training) , relaxation (again proper training and analysis to find what form of relationation works for the individual) , counselling, physical therapy, and acupuncture just to name a few.

                So if you think handing out fentanyl to a 24 year old without going through all the other options first joe90, and getting in a tiz over a medical description – then sorry for you.

              • joe90 …
                25 April 2018 at 1:25 am

                I’m sorry, but the language, and terms used irritate the fuck out of me.

                My own life time of bangs and knocks are mostly relieved by my activity levels but the god awful state of a couple of long suffering friends who’ve been victims of serious accidents incenses me.

                Rather than financing commitments to intensive, hands on physical therapies, lifestyle changes, and supervised, monitored long term activity programmes, Pilates, yoga, cycle. swim and gym training, etc, assessors and their advisors gaslight folk struggling to find suitable pain relief by going down the syndrome track.

                And then it’s here, have some psych help to develop mindfulness and other coping mechanisms because if you do, you can just think it all away.

                • adam …
                  25 April 2018 at 10:43 am

                  I like the term because it is so FUBAR. If you get that label, it means the medical profession is bereft of ideas.

                  That said, pain management is a whole lot of coping mechanisms, there is no panacea. From day to day almost you have to adjust and do thing differently. It sucks. What worked for me years ago just aggravates things now.

                  My worry and concern is hard core painkillers are seen as a panacea, or at the very least sold as a panacea by the drug companies.

                  Personally I’d love to use cannabis leaf based products, like teas and poultices, to help with pain management. But I really can’t see that happening with this government.

    • Incognito 12.1
      25 April 2018 at 5:38 pm

      Says who?

      • Babayaga 12.1.1
        25 April 2018 at 5:39 pm

        Read the article. And there have been others. He’s been caught out big time.

        • Incognito 12.1.1.1
          25 April 2018 at 5:48 pm

          I did read the article but nowhere did it say that Clark had been telling porkies.

          Must be my bad reading comprehension again 😉

          • Babayaga 12.1.1.1.1
            25 April 2018 at 6:49 pm

            Must be.

            “Twelve days later however, and Clark is still telling media that the process around Rabindran and Darrow’s future is still underway despite them already having their termination letters.”

            “Earlier this month Stuff revealed the DHB acting chief executive Gloria Johnson was at odds with Clark over what he was told about the state of Middlemore Hospital’s problems when he visited on March 13.”

            • Incognito 12.1.1.1.1.1
              25 April 2018 at 6:53 pm

              Sure, but who is literally saying that Clark had been telling porkies? Nobody in that article as far as I can tell but I seem to have misplaced my reading glasses 😉

              • Babayaga …
                25 April 2018 at 6:59 pm

                Direct contradictions with Clark. No-one is required to literally say anything. The guys been caught out. But then there’s a number of regular contributors here who must be regretting their claims about Middlemore, seeing as they’ve been show to be a total exaggeration.

                • In Vino …
                  25 April 2018 at 8:37 pm

                  Umm as a language teacher, may I ask you what you mean by the expression ‘total exaggeration’? Can exaggeration be absolute? To my mind, no. Total is absolute. Exaggeration is making greater.
                  Making greatest is Maximisation, not Exaggeration.
                  You are a bit careless in your use of language, aren’t you?

                  • Baba Yaga …
                    25 April 2018 at 9:49 pm

                    If you are a language teacher, you will know that the term ‘total exaggeration’ is used for emphasis. Let me explain. A number of contributors here claimed all sorts of horrendous things were happening at Middlemore (as an example, this thread https://thestandard.org.nz/the-hidden-infrastructure-fiscal-crisis-gets-real/). Not it seems these claims were greatly exaggerated, some might even say fabricated. So, for emphasis, (and to politely avoid calling people liars or ignorant), I suggested their language was total exaggeration.

                    • Incognito …
                      25 April 2018 at 10:55 pm

                      So, for emphasis, (and to politely avoid calling people liars or ignorant), I suggested their language was total exaggeration.

                      Oddly, you didn’t hold back accusing David Clark for “telling porkies” and pretended, bordering on alleged, that this was actually in and taken from the Stuff article. FYI, the stuff piece gives only one side of the story predominately based on person’s account. This person being a party in the ‘dispute’ and thus hardly objective or neutral. Yet, you have no qualms whatsoever to accept this account as true and correct. Odd, as I said; no critical assessment of facts (or lack thereof) and sound judgement plus use of odd English language “for emphasis”. Why is emphasis even relevant or necessary here? Very odd indeed.

                    • Babayaga …
                      26 April 2018 at 2:16 pm

                      “Oddly, you didn’t hold back accusing David Clark for “telling porkies” and pretended, bordering on alleged, that this was actually in and taken from the Stuff article. “

                      The lies are quoted in the article, as I have posted for you. Clearly you have a convenient case of comprehension deficit!!

                    • Incognito …
                      26 April 2018 at 11:15 pm

                      Crikey! You are a stubbornly slow learner, aren’t you?

                      In the article, who said that David Clark had “lied”? This is rhetorical now because you’ve already proven that you cannot answer the question.

                    • Baba Yaga …
                      27 April 2018 at 9:53 pm

                      “In the article, who said that David Clark had “lied”?

                      DHB acting chief executive Gloria Johnson.
                      Board Member Mark Darrow.

                      “Earlier this month Stuff revealed the DHB acting chief executive Gloria Johnson was at odds with Clark over what he was told about the state of Middlemore Hospital’s problems when he visited on March 13. She says Clark was specifically told there were “similar problems in multiple buildings”, which Clark denies. He says there was “no mention of any other urgent works” other than the Scott Building. Clark and his adviser were both given dossiers of information that day that included the full remediation plan and costings but Clark says only the Scott Building was drawn to his attention. Darrow wasn’t there the day of the visit but says he’s received emails and has spoken to other people who were there who say Johnson’s account of what happened was “accurate and consistent”. He says Clark’s office contacted DHB asking for another copy of the information that was provided at that visit on the same day Stuff asked questions about it. “I can’t confirm what was said but I can confirm what he was given and the fact he had to ask for another copy suggests he and his advisor both didn’t read it and lost the originals,” Darrow said.”

                    • Incognito …
                      27 April 2018 at 10:33 pm

                      Oh boy, we are lethargically slow!

                      Two people have given accounts that contradict David Clark and MoH’s statements so far. But where, in the article, do these two people specifically say or state that David Clark has been lying. The obvious answer is: nowhere. It is obvious, because you would have quoted the line before I could blink. You haven’t because you can’t and you can’t because that line does not exist in the article.

                      Basta così!

                    • Babayaga …
                      30 April 2018 at 2:33 pm

                      “But where, in the article, do these two people…“

                      Who claimed they did? I never claimed they said he lied. But he did lie, and their comments just provide evidence.

                • Incognito …
                  25 April 2018 at 9:07 pm

                  Sigh

                  So, it is you who interpreted and paraphrased the article in Stuff and concluded that Clark had been telling porkies. And then added a few other bits to it to create a smokescreen, as usual.

                  You see, a Professional Director would never be so stupid to make direct accusations against their Boss in MSM of the specific nature that you were alleging. In other words, you made up a whole heap of BS.

                  Obviously, the story is unfolding but you’ve jumped the gun and put your own words & spin into and onto it.

                  • In Vino …
                    25 April 2018 at 9:28 pm

                    Yes Incognito – it looks a bit like total exaggeration to me. Or a load of Babblegab.

                    • Baba Yaga …
                      25 April 2018 at 9:52 pm

                      “Twelve days later however, and Clark is still telling media that the process around Rabindran and Darrow’s future is still underway despite them already having their termination letters.”

                      “Earlier this month Stuff revealed the DHB acting chief executive Gloria Johnson was at odds with Clark over what he was told about the state of Middlemore Hospital’s problems when he visited on March 13.”

                  • Baba Yaga …
                    25 April 2018 at 9:51 pm

                    I didn’t interpret or paraphrase. I quoted the article directly. You seem to have been caught by this https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-24-04-2018/#comment-1478544.

                    The article specifically calls Clark out. And for good reason.

                    Nice spin with ‘unfolding’ though. I’d say it was Clark’s credibility that was unfolding.

                    • Incognito …
                      25 April 2018 at 11:10 pm

                      So, you are implying that David Clark said, in said article, that he “had been telling porkies”!? Of course not!

                      Please state clearly, specifically, and, above all, slowly who stated in that article that “that Clark had been telling porkies” or said something with a very similar meaning. Saying that one story is at odds with another is not nearly as strong as saying “that Clark had been telling porkies” and I hope you do realise that even though you like to use emphasis for added drama and what have you but that doesn’t make it so. In other words, you’re overreaching and making up BS.

                      So far, the only person who has been making this claim is you.

                      BTW, the Stuff article only contains one side of the story, doesn’t? I guess there is no need to hear the other side, get more facts and information, and then make an informed judgement, is there? Odd.

                    • Babayaga …
                      26 April 2018 at 2:14 pm

                      “Please state clearly, specifically, and, above all, slowly who stated in that article that “that Clark had been telling porkies” “

                      Why would someone need to? Because you’re in denial. The two lies are documented here:

                      https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-24-04-2018/#comment-1478602

                    • Incognito …
                      26 April 2018 at 11:30 pm

                      Right, you cannot show, in the article, who specifically said that David Clark “had lied” or “had been telling porkies”. I can tell you why you cannot show this: because nobody actually did so.

                      It is all in your head; you made it up. Only you go on about “lies” and “porkies”. Do you hear voices telling you “that Clark had been telling porkies”? Do you see flying pigs?

                      BTW, words between quotation marks have a specific meaning; the word “specifically” has a specific meaning. I doubt that even In Vino could teach you, regardless of whether they are registered or not as Teacher®.

  13. Baba Yaga 13
    27 April 2018 at 9:59 pm

    Right, you cannot show, in the article, who specifically said that David Clark “had lied” or “had been telling porkies”.”

    1. I didn’t claim anyone specifically said that. Why would they need to when it is so obvious? But by using that criteria, you’re clearly nervous about the lies Clark has told.
    2. https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-24-04-2018/#comment-1479102

    Clark is telling porkies.

    • Incognito 13.1
      27 April 2018 at 10:42 pm

      Finally!

      You made it up, repeatedly. They are your words and your words only.

      Thank you for stating the obvious.

      What took you so long? That’s rhetorical.

      Does it hurt to tell the truth? That’s rhetorical too.

      This is the end of the line for me.

      Ciao!

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