Daily Review 24/11/2016

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28 comments on “Daily Review 24/11/2016”

  1. Draco T Bastard 2

    In the continuing vein of fake news, watch this video.

    • ianmac 2.1

      Bluddy Christmas lights. Huh! 🙂
      Remember the ban on lollies in NZ Christmas parades? Grr the parents said, but that was untrue too. Now there is talk of some mystical sort of father figure up there somewhere but not proven or true.

  2. The Chairman 4

    West Coast Civil Defence has issued an urgent warning that a significant aftershock may strike the region – but the organisation’s national body and GeoNet have both distanced themselves from it.


    • ianmac 4.1

      I guess it is a fear of the Alpine fault disruption. When it happens….

      • The Chairman 4.1.1

        The mixed message is somewhat confusing.

        • weka

          “National Civil Defence says no imminent ‘large aftershock’ threat”

          That’s an unfortunate headline from Shub. I seem to remember Geonet issued a statement just before Chch 2 that there was very little chance of another big quake. Probability isn’t how most people assess risk in their lives, in a way it’s a nonsense for something like quakes because the probabilities are always low enough that we can ignore them, and it means exactly nothing after the event. We know that the Alpine Fault can go at any time, there will be no warning. Telling people that the risk is low in relation to Kaikoura is not helpful even if it’s technically true.

          Here’s how Stuff headlined it,


          • The Chairman

            Wasn’t the Christchurch warning downplayed to avoid panic?

            The probabilities of a decent aftershock are far from low in this case. That 7.8 is a totally different ballgame.

            • Cinny

              Hot/Cold weather, over the years I’ve noticed that can be a contributing factor. I get very wary when the weather is like this.

              Grateful to find the info here, very interesting, thanks

  3. Anne 5

    Following on from the “Fake News” post this has got to be the NZ best of all time.

    The Great Wasp Swarm Hoax (April Fool’s Day – 1949)

    Phil Shone, a New Zealand deejay for radio station 1ZB, announced to his listeners that a mile-wide wasp swarm was headed towards Auckland. He urged his listeners to take a variety of steps to protect themselves and their homes from the winged menace. For instance, he suggested that they wear their socks over their trousers when they left for work, and that they leave honey-smeared traps outside their doors. Hundreds of people dutifully heeded his advice, until he finally admitted that it had all been a joke.

    My mother was one of them. She had no honey so she left dishes of jam at the front and back doors and on the window ledges.

  4. Draco T Bastard 6

    Giant Brazilian KC-390 in the running to replace NZ’s Hercules

    This is the type of thing that pisses me off. We’re quite capable of building aircraft here in NZ for our armed forces and civilian uses such as AirNZ. What makes it possible is that aircraft don’t respond to economies of scale. Each aircraft can be expected to last decades and in that time the replacement can be designed and developed.

    To give some idea as to what I’m talking about, the C130 first flew in 1954 and has barely changed since.

    • Clump_AKA Sam 6.1

      I totally agree but Blingish would have a heart attack, and sorry to say, Robertson would have a heart attack as well when they see the bill. They hate paying maintenance.

      • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1

        The maintenance is going to be paid no matter what. They just have this idea that it’s cheaper to buy aircraft from other countries rather than develop and produce them ourselves which would result in developing our own economy and building resilience.

        • Clump_AKA Sam

          Personally I’d buy Rolls Royce Engines because there a class act. NZDF has a lot of friends all to welling to hold our hands through the teeding process of developing an indigenous arms industry. We wouldn’t have to buy an entire supply chain, instead buy of the shelf technology from where ever. Instead keep enough qualified weilders/fitters/designers/engineers with in NZDF to do the assembly on shore. Only thing would be selling the 3.6 billion annual defence budget to New Zealanders.

          And I’m not sure New Zealanders understand what NZDF actuall do. I mean are we protesting against US Foriegn ships and/or RNZN anniversary and NZDF its self? I’m afraid pollies have sold others people’s wars, way to much to New Zealanders, with out any measurable increase in New Zealanders quality of life. It just seems to me, that New Zealand only learns about NZDF through bureaucratic filters or Wikileaks. So there are a lot of kiss and make up to do in this area before a more sophisticated debate can emerge about an indigenous arms industry

          • Draco T Bastard

            Personally I’d buy Rolls Royce Engines because there a class act. NZDF has a lot of friends all to welling to hold our hands through the teeding process of developing an indigenous arms industry.

            Yep. Buy off the shelf stuff until we’ve developed the capability here.

            I mean are we protesting against US Foriegn ships and/or RNZN anniversary and NZDF its self?

            As I understand it, the protests were actually against the weapons expo that was taking place at the same time. Complete disconnection and that disconnect applied right across the nation. I agreed with stopping the weapons expo but not the ship visits.

            I happen to think that we should be supporting our armed forces and an anniversary is a good way to show that support.

        • aerobubble

          Defense spending should be directed to drones, like a drone up the drift.

          As for Trump wanting more spending by allies, and so recoup funds for his spendung at home…

          Reminds me of the British raising taxes on American colonies for British global excursions.

          • Draco T Bastard

            Defense spending should be directed to drones, like a drone up the drift.

            Drones can’t do everything yet and, yes, I think R&D into drones for mining so that we don’t have to send people into the mines is a great idea.

            But we shouldn’t confuse the two. Defence spending is for defence – not mining. That said, some R&D could apply to both.

            • aerobubble

              Sea drones,sub drones, over the horizin drones… …fat kiwiscan still fight wars, with drones.

    • halfcrown 6.2

      Agree with you there Draco. But that is not going to happen, we already had the skills and tech to build modern Diesel Loco’s for NZ conditions at Hillside and A&G Price Thames just to name two. Hillside has turned out some mighty loco’s over the years. But what has this pile of incompetent shit done bought useless locos from China.

      An Aircraft Industry is the last thing you want politicians to get involved with. If you have not already read it I can recommend a good book where the likes of Sandy’s Jenkins aided and abetted by the good old US of A destroyed the British aircraft industry, The book is “Empire of the Clouds.” by James Hamilton-Paterson
      Some of the great aircraft that were cancelled that were light years ahead of anybody else were
      Miles 52
      TSR 2
      Supersonic version of the Harrier Jump Jet

      • Draco T Bastard 6.2.1

        An Aircraft Industry is the last thing you want politicians to get involved with.

        Politicians are fine – as long as they don’t get caught up by corporations and foreign governments.

        A good documentary that shows both sides is:

      • Draco T Bastard 6.2.2

        Or possibly this dramatisation:

      • Draco T Bastard 6.2.3

        Essentially, what we see in both Canada and the UK is local aircraft development and manufacture being destroyed by politicians in favour of the US aircraft industry – after being started by previous politicians who realised that local capability was necessary.

        • ropata

          The fossil fuel aviation industry is the worst climate change offender and least sustainable technology around. I expect it to be phased out over the next 20 to 50 years as it becomes uneconomic and probably more dangerous in an unstable world.

          A national airline (and the industry you propose) is an expensive ego-driven PR exercise for most governments. In the case of NZ perhaps a “national carrier” is justified, but only due to our geography.

          • Draco T Bastard

            Sources of Greenhouse Gas Emissions

            The largest sources of transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions include passenger cars and light-duty trucks, including sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks, and minivans. These sources account for over half of the emissions from the sector. The remainder of greenhouse gas emissions comes from other modes of transportation, including freight trucks, commercial aircraft, ships, boats, and trains, as well as pipelines and lubricants.

            Planes do emit huge amounts of CO2 but the real problem is personal cars. And that’s from the US which uses far more air transport per capita than we do.

            Do to our global location we actually need air transport and we do need defence capability. The big question is if we can use bio-fuels to support them.

  5. The Chairman 7

    Political reporters vacating Parliamentary press gallery office over earthquake concerns

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