Daily Review 25/11/2016

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63 comments on “Daily Review 25/11/2016”

    • BM 1.1

      Twyford is a fool.

    • The Chairman 1.2

      She sure did. But Labour made her work easy.

      • Sacha 1.2.1

        Verily. Don’t seem to value strategic political comms as a skill. Party deserves every kicking they get. Shame for the rest of us.

        • Colonial Viper

          Little just needs another 6 months to settle into the Leaders role.

        • Muttonbird

          Nope. Here she calls for ‘howls of derision’ on Key’s TPP, yet she’s not game enough to do it.

          She says Labour did two things wrong: The timing of the conference, when gooey-eyed idiots were focussed on the US election for some reason. And that the media had picked one of the ideas from the FOW commission and ran negatively about it.

          She calls for ‘edge’ but don’t dare speak negatively about the pm.

          The rest was about her being sucked in by Key having a selfie with Zuckerberg. You seem to have been sucked in too, Sacha. I am disappointed about that most of all.

        • Leftie

          Party deserves a kicking for what Sacha?

          Since when was it a criminal offence to call out a reporter for deliberately lying?

          • Sacha

            Who’s talking about calling out a reporter? Not part of the story.

            Party deserves a kicking for not doing a major part of its job for the last 9 years. Strategic comms wins elections. Dunderheads ignore it after losing 3 in a row.

            • Leftie

              Thought it was. The discussion was on Andrea Vance and commentary was made on Labour and Phil Twyford, was it not?

              I thought it was dirty politics and a complicit msm that wins National elections.

              • Sacha

                This story does not even mention Twyford. Context is Lab’s lack of successful overall framing and engagement with gallery journos like Vance. Twyford’s recent spat is a miniscule influence on that. Party lost at sea for years.

                • Leftie

                  But as I pointed out, the commentary mentioned Twyford. And Vance, following National party attack lines, purposely lied. Labour were correct in challenging that.

                  National must of felt like a party lost at sea, when in opposition for 9 years, they came back, so too will Labour. That’s politics.

                • Leftie

                  But as I pointed out, the commentary mentioned Twyford. And Vance, following National party attack lines, purposely lied. Labour were correct in challenging that.

                  National must of felt like a party lost at sea, when in opposition for 9 years, they came back, so too will Labour. That’s politics

      • Leftie 1.2.2

        Reporters have been getting away with deliberately lying for the National government way to long. Labour is right to challenge that.

    • b waghorn 1.3

      so vance likes some of labours work but would rather be a shallow little shit, grow up you stupid cow is what someone should tell her

      • Colonial Viper 1.3.1

        Someone from the Leaders Office could give her a call and let her know that despite her misconceptions, Labour is in fact right on track to win next year.

        • Muttonbird

          Perhaps they would be if people like you would get off their arse and support them instead of posting about Trump, and other irrelevancies, 24/7.

          • Colonial Viper

            I’ll support Labour 100% and Andrew Little 100% if he:

            1) States that it is time to turn NZ away from free market neoliberalism and apologises for the role the 4th Labour Government played in wrecking the country.

            2) Says that there will be a total clear out of the no-hopers out of caucus, Labour Parliamentary staff and consultants who have led Labour to electoral losses over and over and over again.

            3) Commits to transitioning the nation to a livable UBI and/or living minimum wage within Labour’s first term in government.

            Give me a call when it happens.

            • Muttonbird

              Why the absolutism?

              For Andrew Little to publicly apologise for Rodger Douglas would be farcical, even you must see that.

              A purge of the Labour caucus and backroom staff would send an odd message. How about getting everyone on message and working together?

              A UBI is way ahead of its time right now. Proper immigration settings would lift wages immediately.

              • adam

                Look Muttonbird you must realise by now that what you are saying is getting no traction with the public. Are you actually talking to real people? Because most people I speak too, have a simple message, they don’t like national, but labour are no different.

                I do a lot of different volunteering and engage with a lot of different people. Labour are not getting tracking because they are seen to be out of touch. Just last week a labour party member was telling me – were all right wing now. How are you going to win people over with that attitude?

                And to put it very bluntly, what is happening overseas is eventually going to happen here, and labour will cop as much of the backlash as national.

                The key here is to turn away from neo-liberalism. Because if labour don’t, then they are done, pretty much like many other out of touch social democratic parties over the west.

                • Muttonbird

                  We are all right wing. The country has been dragged to the right and the non-voting vulnerable have been left sitting in their own stress, penury, and violence.

                  Are these the ‘most people you speak to’? I think not. National and their voters have long forgotten these people and you are forgetting them too. I suspect the people you talk to are voters and quite comfortable.

                  Labour has plenty of policy which says to these disenfranchised people that they are with them in their journey. These days however the message costs a lot to get across.

                  I will agree that Little needs to own his ground more, even under the weight of mixed messages coming from various interested parties.

                  I donated directly to Labour today with money and ideas around campaigning.

                  • adam

                    “I donated directly with Labour today with money and ideas, did you?”

                    And end up like C.V. shafted by so called reasonable people, no thanks, I’m not into sadomasochism. I helped the mana party last election, that was enough sadomasochism to last a life time.

                    But jokes aside,

                    You are not having conversations across the board are Muttonbird. Because, I speak to voters. I speak to homeless, immigrants, students, a lot of unemployed, non-voters and large sections of the disabled community on a regular basis. The joy of working (volunteering) in the community at a lot of different organisations. And they all seem to find labour the same as national, now I’m not putting words in there mouth, because I like to find out what people are thinking.

                    What I can tell you is my prediction is more people not voting the next election. A substantial bump in non-voters.

                    You speak of expense, is that not a self imposed road block? Because the labour party of old ran on the smell of a oily rag, and won elections.

                    Just saying.

                    Plus the argument we are all right wing now, is one argument which reinforces my argument that labour is not different from national. It is one of those weak ass liberal arguments that make people think labour are lossers, so why bother even voting.

                  • Leftie

                    +1 Muttonbird

                • Leftie

                  Adam. Labour has said the era of trickle down economics is over, is that not a start? And how to get traction when there is a msm that goes out of it’s way to ensure that doesn’t happen?

              • Leftie

                + 1 Muttonbird.

            • Leftie

              You wouldn’t support Labour no matter what they did Colonial Viper.

        • Jenny Kirk

          Sounds to me like Vance is smarting after being told by Phil Twyford that she was wrong about his numbers re housing a week or so ago. Now she’s getting her own back. A bit simplistic, and just downright nasty.

      • james 1.3.2

        Yeah – dont like her work – call her a “stupid cow” – Im guessing you would make an amazing employer.

        • mauī

          He would make a great employer. TVNZ would be cleaned out by mid-afternoon. No more spin and they wouldn’t end up going down the painful road of irrelevance.

        • b waghorn

          her articles are of not much use ,just more mindless drivel ,health, wages ,housing are all fucked under national but lets focus on the opposition .

          i wouldn’t sack her maui, but she would get the message that she needed to lift her game.

      • Leftie 1.3.3

        +1 B Waghorn.

    • mickysavage 1.4

      Im going to sound like I support Trump here but …

      Media are all about playing the game and who plays the game best. Key is great at it. Little is more down key.

      If we want as a leader someone who will get a photo with a former All Black who now flies helicopters as a living and gets it spread far and wide then no contest.

      In my personal view there is far too much following the sizzle and not enough concentration on substance.

      • james 1.4.1

        Andrew Little really dosnt need people concentrating on the substance.

        Labour will sink under 20% if thats the case.

      • Jenny Kirk 1.4.2

        + 100% Micky.

        And the guff about Mr McCaw “helping” out in Kaikoura was less than a joke – it was just cringe-making. And then ShonKey flew off to Peru – out of sight, out of mind. Never mind the people whose lives have been turned upside-down, not only in Kaikoura, but Wellington too.

    • ianmac 2.1

      Incredible Chairman that the beneficiaries even need to be helped let alone be punished for being on the footpath. Perhaps Paula has told staff to block those seeking entitlements any way the can.

      • Anne 2.1.1

        Perhaps Paula has told staff to block those seeking entitlements any way the can.

        A case of deliberately inadvertently forgetting to apprise them of their entitlements.

        • ianmac

          “But you poor thing, you didn’t ask the right question so how could I possibly tell you what you are entitled to. No go away you silly bunny and perhaps come back next year and then ask the right questions. Off you go then. Next please.”

        • Rosemary McDonald

          “A case of deliberately/ inadvertently forgetting to apprise them of their entitlements.” ??

          Quite possibly.

          More excellent work from CPAG, with the release of the Report “Barriers to support Uptake of the Child Disability Allowance
          in Otara”

          ” Of the 1084 households, 108 (10%) had at least one child with a disability or chronic health condition, and they had a structured interview. Of these, the majority reported a child with a serious chronic health condition (48.1% of respondents had a child with severe eczema and 20.4% with chronic asthma), and a minority reported a serious disability. Most of these families reported that they were struggling in terms of supporting their child and managing these conditions. Only 7.6% of the 108 families were receiving the CDA. The majority of them had not previously applied for the CDA, with 82% of the respondents reporting that they were not aware of the allowance or that they could receive any assistance from Work and Income. ”


          “The Ministry of Social Development was asked if it was policy for staff to mention the child disability allowance when they see a child who looked likely to qualify.

          No answer was given to this question. Instead, the ministry associate national commissioner Te Rehia Papesch responded by taking issue with elements of the CPAG report saying the numbers do not support the claim that the majority of eligible families who have children with a disability or chronic illness are missing out on financial help, and the study itself outlines it should be considered exploratory research only. ”

          and from another nzdoctor post….http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/news/2016/november-2016/22/confusion-over-child-disability-allowance-sees-many-missing-out.aspx

          “Dr Taylor, as a GP registrar teacher, spends half a day each year taking registrars in south Auckland, and other doctors, to Work and Income offices to discuss the entitlements patients might be eligible for.

          “It’s absolutely fascinating and beneficial,” he says. He wishes such time slots were compulsory for all registrars.

          Many doctors don’t know about benefits, including the child disability allowance, accommodation supplements, Family First and ACC entitlements, he says. “I’m talking about across the board.””

    • Muttonbird 2.2

      Perhaps Hone Harawira would have sorted this out?

      If Kim Dotcom let him, that is.

  1. ianmac 3

    $500,000 was raised today to fund Plunket who are doing the basic support to help parents with little kids get a positive start.
    Remember when Plunket was supported with taxpayers money? Then in 2009 National dropped their funding. How cruel was/is that!

  2. BM 4

    Bit of Music

  3. Muttonbird 5

    Now, I know this isn’t the woman he threw down the stairs, but is it the one who stood by him in the fall-out from that?

    I don’t think it is. I think this is another woman who appears to have had enough after just one year of marriage.


  4. Adrian 6

    Just got a message from Scott O’Donnell the CEO of Allied Concrete, ( H. “Bill” Richardson group ) thanking us for our congratulatory message and stating that they are a family organisation and they sympathise and stand with the Pike River families.
    They have had an enormous response, all positive.
    Why can’t we have more businesses like this?
    It’s not that difficult to be ethical and human, eh.

    • Muttonbird 6.1

      On the day Jackson, Mau, and Garner were all over this but it hasn’t translated much to print media or even here, which has surprised me.

      Is it possible Dr Smith engineered this refusal from Allied in order to take the sting out of further blockades on the access road?

      As it stands, the current government hasn’t lost face, but it has avoided an increase in protest coverage.

    • james 6.2

      But hes extremely rich – dosnt that automatically make him a bad employer living off the work of others, never pays any tax – tax avoiding bastards. Generally the kind of person that is called a rich prick by the left – and a lot on here.

      Must make heads explode when they see that the rich and employers can be good people as well.

      • Muttonbird 6.2.1

        Good to see you are on the side of the families on this. I’m surprised as I thought you just mouthed the current government’s position on everything.

        • James

          I feel for the family – but I don’t agree that anyone should be allowed to go in when there is evidence that it is dangerous (despite other evidence saying it’s safe).

          But I do applaud the position of allied concrete for sticking with their views in a professional and respectful way

          • adam

            There is little proof that proper teams who do this work in mines around the world would have any problem going into this mine to check how the incident happened. What there is a lot of proof about is political interference and a dirty tricks campaign to stop families and the general public know what actually happened.

            If you think for one minute that international teams who do this type of work would deliberately endanger themselves – then you mate, are deluded.

            Is it not just twisted, when there was all the moaning about shower heads, and energy efficient light bulbs. But, when national go all full tilt granny state, you lot fall all over each other to defend it.

      • adam 6.2.2

        Poor james, does not realise it’s the rich who actually are unethical which are the problem, not those who are.

        But as james once again shows he has no empathy or any social conscious. So wants us all to be as hateful, and as spiteful, as him.

        • James

          Actually not hateful or spiteful. But you do prove my point.

          Here is a rich guy taking a principled stand – and yet you state the rich are unethical.

          Go figure – you just cannot see past your bias of rich people.

          • adam

            Can’t you read whole sentences james, or was you hand on it so hard thinking you won a argument, you exploded onto the screen before putting your brain into action?

            I invite you to re read what I wrote, take your time, read it aloud, if that helps. Look at the words again and see the order they are put in, and what it means in the context of the whole sentence.

            Good luck.

            • James

              Ahh going with the smug superiority complex reply.

              Original. I won’t get into the irony of you having one tho’ 🙂

              Have a nice night Adam.

        • Draco T Bastard

          Poor james, does not realise it’s the rich who actually are unethical which are the problem, not those who are.

          Wrong. Even those rich who are humane are also the problem as they’re engaging in the same unethical actions as those who are more on the psychopathic spectrum.

          We only accept it because we’ve been taught that such unethical actions are right and proper.

  5. Paul 8

    Arctic ice melt could trigger uncontrollable climate change at global level.


    Arctic scientists have warned that the increasingly rapid melting of the ice cap risks triggering 19 “tipping points” in the region that could have catastrophic consequences around the globe.
    The Arctic Resilience Report found that the effects of Arctic warming could be felt as far away as the Indian Ocean, in a stark warning that changes in the region could cause uncontrollable climate change at a global level.
    Temperatures in the Arctic are currently about 20C above what would be expected for the time of year, which scientists describe as “off the charts”. Sea ice is at the lowest extent ever recorded for the time of year.
    “The warning signals are getting louder,” said Marcus Carson of the Stockholm Environment Institute and one of the lead authors of the report. “[These developments] also make the potential for triggering [tipping points] and feedback loops much larger.”

    Worth listening to this guy, I reckon.

  6. Incognito 9

    How the mighty have fallen; an OE that didn’t have a happy ending?

    A Dame has effectively become persona non grata in the UK, of all places.


    That enquiry is jinxed. Why might that be?

    It smells like this: /rnz-on-suppressed-child-abuse-report/

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