Grant Robinson made a good speech in the house today. His point that the National opposition are now more interested in texts, emails, diary’s and goats above now mentioning the economy in any detail shows they just revel in “bad news”. The economy of course under this new govt is doing wonderfully well by most reports.
The gotcha point scoring idiocy was then immediately backed up by Simon Bridges who stood up yelling and literally barking about how the govt is in “chaos”. It’s plain to see that the National opposition is rudderless, either that or it is being manipulated by an invisible puppeteer who’s identity remains open to conjecture.
Crosby Textor tactics, death by a thousand cuts. Mind you it’s just dogs barking at the moment but the plan would be to keep it up and cause maximum distraction. Especially from how good the economy is going. But then its hard to imagine this opposition lot knowing what a plan was. They will just mindlessly carry on barking, must be time to really howl at Winston by now and keep up the ‘War on Winston’ at all cost.
It’s quite pathetic really. Where is the policy beyond joining Trump’s war on drugs and kicking people out of state housing?
They seem micro-focussed on emails, texts, phone calls, and meetings rather than offering New Zealand what they would do differently.
I expect that’s either because they don’t know what to do beyond barking at cars, or they continue along the same path to inequality, housing, infrastructure, and immigration problem, and a destruction of the environment for the profit of a few.
National have never been a party of ideas, apart from cycle trails and new flags they have always promoted themselves as the party of sound economic management. It must be stinging them that notion has been well and truly debunked.
The cycle trails were a reasonably good idea but lets face it, anyone could think of that. Also, this was promoted by Key in his first days as PM and he failed to do anything at all after that except lie, pull women’s pony tails and do radio gags.
“the self absorbed NZ elite who simply cannot stomach a fair society”
Even worse than that I reckon Muttonb – they cannot stand the mere idea of it. Because let’s face reality, a fair society is pretty damn unlikely to actually happen in more than a token way.
Maybe it’s because of all that tremendously ‘hard work’ our elites are putting in to get that capital gain on their investment properties? It can be exhausting.
There’s been a rebound in business confidence, with most indicators showing some sign of improvement.
The ANZ Bank’s monthly survey shows 38 percent of firms expect general business conditions to deteriorate over the next year, an improvement of 12 percentage points over August’s survey.
Amazing what happens when people actually breathe and realise the sky isn’t going to fall on their heads.
And when they realise what a great PM we have and that they could actually both do very well under her vision and contribute to a better New Zealand at the same time.
And that is the other major chagrin for the National opposition, they have no answer to Jacinda Ardern and what a great leader and PM she is and how she stands tall on the international stage. While she is away promoting NZ they are left to bark at their nemesis. They don’t know what to do except sulk and throw hissy fits. You would think they would have got through most of the stages of grief by now.
Karma that Winstons on the the receiving end of something like this for a change but Bishop never struck me as the type to make allegations like this unless he knew something
Bishop is going for broke after Peters said he would reveal the leakers name…. Now would Bishop have more than a passing interest in who that name might be
I just don’t think it will. We’d know by now if we were ever going to. Bridges will have been smoothing over the situation with the leaker, offering all sorts of concessions (or blackmailing) in return for future loyalty, and we the public having been whipped into a frenzy will end up none the wiser having paid out the thick end of $500K after all the limos, and the time spent in parliament, and the enquiries.
Maybe – I think it will come out because bridges has staked so much on it. He may go the, “we know and we are dealing with it in house’ way but imo too many have gone on their hind legs about this including smiley collins – she will want someone to thrash bridges with as she lines up for eventual leadership of that shit of fools – Gnashinal
From your link in the Herald we have
“I have not called nor had any reason to call Mr Haumaha since the controversy.”
When Winston says things like that one should be suspicious.
After all the statement would be technically true, or at least Winston would claim it was if the sequence of events was.
1. Winston rings Deputy Commissioner Haumaha’s OFFICE, or better still his home, and asks that he please call Winston.
2. Haumaha rings back and Winston assures him that everything is going to be OK.
Winston will claim “I never rang Haumaha, I rang his Office”, or “I rang his family”, or even something as simple as “He rang me”. Whichever is appropriate.
Incidentally what on earth do you mean by “Has Chris Bishop gone rogue?”
If Bishop turns out to have fired a dud I think that will only serve to crystallise in the public’s mind the stupid game of ’gotcha’ politics that National has been pursuing.
I was highly amused the time he held up that ‘NO’ sign: the interviewer happened by chance to have reversed the expected outcome by the way he phrased the question, and by holding that sign up, Winston was in fact damning himself. Not that he noticed..
If the allegation is correct, the impropriety of such a phone call is destructive enough that any deception contained within his reported denial would be almost secondary, and Peters would be irreparably damaged.
On the other hand, if the allegation is not correct, then I’d suggest Chris Bishop has just destroyed his own political career.
Chris Bishop has put a stake in the ground against one of Parliaments greatest survivors. It’s high stakes stuff. For what it’s worth, my money’s on Peters. He’s just far too wily to commit such a stupid mistake.
I’m thinking they’re clutching at any straw in an effort to combat the star treatment Jacinda Ardern is receiving in NY. It doesn’t have to be true… just so long as it feeds into the strategic meme of incompetence and supposed lack of transparency they are endeavouring to foster.
In other words… “Dirty Politics” which is about all they seem to be good at these days.
Even Peter Dunne is having second thoughts about them:
“clutching at straws” like the wee weasel blog trolls that are trying to promote the notion that Jacinda Ardern is somehow not the real leader or PM and that it is really Winston. Its misogyny for all to see.
Nothing will happen because it’s a beltway issue and the number of people who care is limited to a small section of politically activated and bitter National voters.
Have a look at Q2 today. He might only be described as Acting PM but he answers As the PM not FOR the PM. That is why the question asks about “he”.
“Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition) to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government’s statements and actions relating to Derek Handley and the Government Chief Technology Officer role?”
Yeah I know it’s Ardern, but let’s be honest it’s in name only
Com’n fella we all know Peters is calling the shots.
This is the downside of MMP in NZ, you need 50% to rule, both of our two main parties are around 40%, Peters is in the box seat and he milks it for all it’s worth.
Labour was far more desperate than National so they sold their soul to Peters.
Peters is the unofficial PM, Ardern is just there for the smile and wave stuff.
It’s govern, not rule. Rule is for kings and queens in the middle ages which is where I suspect a lot of National voters draw their social values from.
Also, Labour and NZF are simply closer on policy than the Nats who are an outlier. Peter’s only crime was to cruelly string the hapless Bingles along before dumping him.
As I understand it National made the mistake of approaching the Coalition negotiations mistakenly thinking THEY were in the box seat on election night and, consequently, didn’t really put enough effort into it.
Labour was desperate if they’d lost Ardern she would have retired and their only ace would have disappeared.
2017, was do or die for Labour, shame they didn’t know Peters had no intention of ever going with National so he could milk Labours desperation for all it was worth.
And here we are today with Ardern being a figurehead PM and the real power behind the thrones Peters calling the shots.
That’s a ridiculous version of events. Labour couldn’t have hoped for much more on the night.
And National weren’t going to ‘give Peters what he wanted’, not because they were principled but because they were too far apart on policy. Winston Peters asked, “had enough?” in his campaign, and said he wanted to put a human face on capitalism in his coalition speech.
The issue was and is that National weren’t, are not, and never will be able to ‘put a human face on capitalism’ because they are uncaring people who work solely for the selfish among us.
BM rewriting history. The gnats tried and failed to take out Peters and he showed them who was boss. Little gnats crawling around begging for a deal – LOL such fun it was and still is to watch the gnat losers wank on – keep it up BM only 4-5 more terms to go.
BM National did the dirty on Peters by releasing his pension info.
National have a long history of shitting on Winston and are crying over not getting his support.
National still have no support party and continuing to piss Peters off is a dumb strategy.
It will put Ardern in a very tight spot, her duty PM misleading Parliament.
If she sacks him Winston will bring down the current Government, if she does nothing but a telling off it reinforces Ardern as a weak PM and a one-term wonder.
So better hope Bishop was full of BS (depending on your political leanings of course!!).
I didn’t think very much of the last Speaker as it happens.
On the other hand the one two before him was the worst that I can remember and I had some time to observe them all the way back to Algie in 1961.
Margaret Wilson was by far the worst.
Her successor, Lockwood Smith, was easily the best. Carter wasn’t great and I don’t think really wanted the job but I think he will be remembered more kindly than Mallard.
Trevor started off OK but he has reverted to his tribal Labour roots.
Bishop hasn’t managed to quote the phone call verbatim. In fact he is very vague about it so unless the call can be proved and the actual words recovered there’s not a case to answer.
It’s a bit like snapchat as I understand it how the content disappears after one viewing…perhaps that’s why it was Bishop’s app of choice when communicating with kids?
BM – you have expertise in weasel words, and I am sure that you will read into it what you want. Be prepared for disappointment: the country is not with you.
Why do you keep putting question marks after everything? You seem to do it whether there is any question or not? Is it because you don’t actually want to give your view? I also notice you put a space between the last letter and the question mark? Why do you do that? You may not want to answer? Or you may want to? Answer that is?
Interesting perspective on Kavanaugh and his alleged (mandatory weasel word) habit of assaulting women: it wasn’t so much trying to get his rocks off or an exercise of power, but more about being a try-hard to win approval from his arsehole group of male buddies.
We are getting there, aren’t we? We’re making the transition towards an all-electric future. We can now leave fossil fuels in the ground and thwart climate breakdown. Or so you might imagine, if you follow the technology news.
So how come oil production, for the first time in history, is about to hit 100m barrels a day? How come the oil industry expects demand to climb until the 2030s? How is it that in Germany, whose energy transition (Energiewende) was supposed to be a model for the world, protesters are being beaten up by police as they try to defend the 12,000-year-old Hambacher forest from an opencast mine extracting lignite – the dirtiest form of coal? Why have investments in Canadian tar sands – the dirtiest source of oil – doubled in a year?
The answer is, growth. There may be more electric vehicles on the world’s roads, but there are also more internal combustion engines. There be more bicycles, but there are also more planes. It doesn’t matter how many good things we do: preventing climate breakdown means ceasing to do bad things. Given that economic growth, in nations that are already rich enough to meet the needs of all, requires an increase in pointless consumption, it is hard to see how it can ever be decoupled from the assault on the living planet.”
Even in China , those brand new coal plants there were supposed to be cancelled by the central government, well the regional governments who build them have different ideas
“259 Gigawatts (GW) of new capacity are under development in China, comparable to the entire U.S. coal fleet (266 GW). This represents a 25% increase in China’s coal power fleet. https://endcoal.org/2018/09/tsunami-warning/
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Grant Robinson made a good speech in the house today. His point that the National opposition are now more interested in texts, emails, diary’s and goats above now mentioning the economy in any detail shows they just revel in “bad news”. The economy of course under this new govt is doing wonderfully well by most reports.
The gotcha point scoring idiocy was then immediately backed up by Simon Bridges who stood up yelling and literally barking about how the govt is in “chaos”. It’s plain to see that the National opposition is rudderless, either that or it is being manipulated by an invisible puppeteer who’s identity remains open to conjecture.
+1. The invisible puppeteer is not invisible though. In plain sight are all the self absorbed NZ elite who simple cannot stomach a fair society.
Crosby Textor tactics, death by a thousand cuts. Mind you it’s just dogs barking at the moment but the plan would be to keep it up and cause maximum distraction. Especially from how good the economy is going. But then its hard to imagine this opposition lot knowing what a plan was. They will just mindlessly carry on barking, must be time to really howl at Winston by now and keep up the ‘War on Winston’ at all cost.
It’s quite pathetic really. Where is the policy beyond joining Trump’s war on drugs and kicking people out of state housing?
They seem micro-focussed on emails, texts, phone calls, and meetings rather than offering New Zealand what they would do differently.
I expect that’s either because they don’t know what to do beyond barking at cars, or they continue along the same path to inequality, housing, infrastructure, and immigration problem, and a destruction of the environment for the profit of a few.
National have never been a party of ideas, apart from cycle trails and new flags they have always promoted themselves as the party of sound economic management. It must be stinging them that notion has been well and truly debunked.
The cycle trails were a reasonably good idea but lets face it, anyone could think of that. Also, this was promoted by Key in his first days as PM and he failed to do anything at all after that except lie, pull women’s pony tails and do radio gags.
Even on the cycle trails they back peddled.
The Natzis need to destroy Winston and NZF at all costs otherwise they are toast 2020 ?
“the self absorbed NZ elite who simply cannot stomach a fair society”
Even worse than that I reckon Muttonb – they cannot stand the mere idea of it. Because let’s face reality, a fair society is pretty damn unlikely to actually happen in more than a token way.
Maybe it’s because of all that tremendously ‘hard work’ our elites are putting in to get that capital gain on their investment properties? It can be exhausting.
Slimey is acting the Goat ?
Shouldn’t that be Tahr atm?
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/367336/business-confidence-rebounds-in-latest-survey
Hence the tahr tweet perhaps?
Amazing what happens when people actually breathe and realise the sky isn’t going to fall on their heads.
And when they realise what a great PM we have and that they could actually both do very well under her vision and contribute to a better New Zealand at the same time.
And that is the other major chagrin for the National opposition, they have no answer to Jacinda Ardern and what a great leader and PM she is and how she stands tall on the international stage. While she is away promoting NZ they are left to bark at their nemesis. They don’t know what to do except sulk and throw hissy fits. You would think they would have got through most of the stages of grief by now.
Chicken little ?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12132249
Has Chris Bishop gone rogue?
Karma that Winstons on the the receiving end of something like this for a change but Bishop never struck me as the type to make allegations like this unless he knew something
Chris Bishop knows a thing or two about snapchat.
I see your snapchat and raise you a Youth Labour sex camp scandal
Bishop is an mp. Not the same as a young labour member.
The offender wasn’t a Labour member, but he was invited to the party by a Labour member.
What are you implying Mutton Bird?
Who do you reckon is Basher Bishop’s source chrissy?
Bishop is going for broke after Peters said he would reveal the leakers name…. Now would Bishop have more than a passing interest in who that name might be
Time will tell.
I just don’t think it will. We’d know by now if we were ever going to. Bridges will have been smoothing over the situation with the leaker, offering all sorts of concessions (or blackmailing) in return for future loyalty, and we the public having been whipped into a frenzy will end up none the wiser having paid out the thick end of $500K after all the limos, and the time spent in parliament, and the enquiries.
Maybe – I think it will come out because bridges has staked so much on it. He may go the, “we know and we are dealing with it in house’ way but imo too many have gone on their hind legs about this including smiley collins – she will want someone to thrash bridges with as she lines up for eventual leadership of that shit of fools – Gnashinal
Seems the name is already known. once the report is done pressure will come on bridges to ‘rule out mp X’
Yep and if people want to find out they will. The police leak. The politicians leak. Others leak. This will come out imo
From your link in the Herald we have
“I have not called nor had any reason to call Mr Haumaha since the controversy.”
When Winston says things like that one should be suspicious.
After all the statement would be technically true, or at least Winston would claim it was if the sequence of events was.
1. Winston rings Deputy Commissioner Haumaha’s OFFICE, or better still his home, and asks that he please call Winston.
2. Haumaha rings back and Winston assures him that everything is going to be OK.
Winston will claim “I never rang Haumaha, I rang his Office”, or “I rang his family”, or even something as simple as “He rang me”. Whichever is appropriate.
Incidentally what on earth do you mean by “Has Chris Bishop gone rogue?”
If Bishop turns out to have fired a dud I think that will only serve to crystallise in the public’s mind the stupid game of ’gotcha’ politics that National has been pursuing.
And if he is right, and has the evidence to prove it?
Like Farrar I would like to know whether he held up his “NO” sign.
I was highly amused the time he held up that ‘NO’ sign: the interviewer happened by chance to have reversed the expected outcome by the way he phrased the question, and by holding that sign up, Winston was in fact damning himself. Not that he noticed..
If he is right and has evidence to prove his allegations, then presumably Mr Bishop will present that outside the protection of the House.
Why should he?
That is what Parliamentary Privilege is for.
It’s not as simple as that alwyn.
If the allegation is correct, the impropriety of such a phone call is destructive enough that any deception contained within his reported denial would be almost secondary, and Peters would be irreparably damaged.
On the other hand, if the allegation is not correct, then I’d suggest Chris Bishop has just destroyed his own political career.
Chris Bishop has put a stake in the ground against one of Parliaments greatest survivors. It’s high stakes stuff. For what it’s worth, my money’s on Peters. He’s just far too wily to commit such a stupid mistake.
I’m thinking they’re clutching at any straw in an effort to combat the star treatment Jacinda Ardern is receiving in NY. It doesn’t have to be true… just so long as it feeds into the strategic meme of incompetence and supposed lack of transparency they are endeavouring to foster.
In other words… “Dirty Politics” which is about all they seem to be good at these days.
Even Peter Dunne is having second thoughts about them:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/09/former-minister-stunned-by-national-backing-trump-s-war-on-drugs.html
How do you reckon Arderns UN position pitch has gone?
Ticked all the boxes? a cert for some Child poverty position?
You reckon she should hold out for an airline directorship BMmer?
maybe in ten or twelve years…
“clutching at straws” like the wee weasel blog trolls that are trying to promote the notion that Jacinda Ardern is somehow not the real leader or PM and that it is really Winston. Its misogyny for all to see.
Has he alleged anything outside the house yet?
Chris @73 desperate tomes call for desperate measures……although by saying that I am not saying bishop is wrong. I don’t know
So what happens if Bishop is correct?
Not much
“So what happens if Bishop is correct?”
Winston would be toast and have misled parliament…again (Glenn donation).
Bishop has gotten Winston to bite and go on record.
Nothing will happen because it’s a beltway issue and the number of people who care is limited to a small section of politically activated and bitter National voters.
In what way would Peters be toast?
Unfortunately, he’s in charge, I can’t really see him sacking himself.
Ardern is in charge.
Lol yeah, Arderns in charge.
You’re a funny man Mutton Bird.
Who is the Prime Minister?
Actually, if you check, it is currently Winston.
Have a look at Q2 today. He might only be described as Acting PM but he answers As the PM not FOR the PM. That is why the question asks about “he”.
“Hon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition) to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government’s statements and actions relating to Derek Handley and the Government Chief Technology Officer role?”
You could say Simon Bridges is the acting leader of the opposition given he’s on single figures support.
Who to replace him with though?
In that case Bridges has made his usual hash of asking the question.
Yeah I know it’s Ardern, but let’s be honest it’s in name only
Com’n fella we all know Peters is calling the shots.
This is the downside of MMP in NZ, you need 50% to rule, both of our two main parties are around 40%, Peters is in the box seat and he milks it for all it’s worth.
Labour was far more desperate than National so they sold their soul to Peters.
Peters is the unofficial PM, Ardern is just there for the smile and wave stuff.
It’s govern, not rule. Rule is for kings and queens in the middle ages which is where I suspect a lot of National voters draw their social values from.
Also, Labour and NZF are simply closer on policy than the Nats who are an outlier. Peter’s only crime was to cruelly string the hapless Bingles along before dumping him.
As I understand it National made the mistake of approaching the Coalition negotiations mistakenly thinking THEY were in the box seat on election night and, consequently, didn’t really put enough effort into it.
They weren’t going to give what Peters wanted.
Labour was desperate if they’d lost Ardern she would have retired and their only ace would have disappeared.
2017, was do or die for Labour, shame they didn’t know Peters had no intention of ever going with National so he could milk Labours desperation for all it was worth.
And here we are today with Ardern being a figurehead PM and the real power behind the thrones Peters calling the shots.
Hardly surprising, he’s a very happy man
^^^
That’s a ridiculous version of events. Labour couldn’t have hoped for much more on the night.
And National weren’t going to ‘give Peters what he wanted’, not because they were principled but because they were too far apart on policy. Winston Peters asked, “had enough?” in his campaign, and said he wanted to put a human face on capitalism in his coalition speech.
The issue was and is that National weren’t, are not, and never will be able to ‘put a human face on capitalism’ because they are uncaring people who work solely for the selfish among us.
BM rewriting history. The gnats tried and failed to take out Peters and he showed them who was boss. Little gnats crawling around begging for a deal – LOL such fun it was and still is to watch the gnat losers wank on – keep it up BM only 4-5 more terms to go.
Silly, aren’t you BM? Some people were also silly enough to think that about Elizabeth 1st for a while back in the day..
BM …..a party political broadcast from the national party via Crosby text or….
Hollow spin memes all you got. Read Gordon Campbell’s latest. I lol post it tomorrow
BM National did the dirty on Peters by releasing his pension info.
National have a long history of shitting on Winston and are crying over not getting his support.
National still have no support party and continuing to piss Peters off is a dumb strategy.
It will put Ardern in a very tight spot, her duty PM misleading Parliament.
If she sacks him Winston will bring down the current Government, if she does nothing but a telling off it reinforces Ardern as a weak PM and a one-term wonder.
So better hope Bishop was full of BS (depending on your political leanings of course!!).
Misleading Parliament is dealt with by the Privileges Commitee not party leaders?
And the supposedly impartial Speaker has to refer the matter to the Committee.
Trevor “impartial”? You have got to be joking.
And I supposed you thought the previous National appointed Speaker was a paragon of virtue in the impartiality stakes?
I didn’t think very much of the last Speaker as it happens.
On the other hand the one two before him was the worst that I can remember and I had some time to observe them all the way back to Algie in 1961.
Margaret Wilson was by far the worst.
Her successor, Lockwood Smith, was easily the best. Carter wasn’t great and I don’t think really wanted the job but I think he will be remembered more kindly than Mallard.
Trevor started off OK but he has reverted to his tribal Labour roots.
Bishop hasn’t managed to quote the phone call verbatim. In fact he is very vague about it so unless the call can be proved and the actual words recovered there’s not a case to answer.
It’s a bit like snapchat as I understand it how the content disappears after one viewing…perhaps that’s why it was Bishop’s app of choice when communicating with kids?
It will put Ardern in a very tight spot, her duty PM misleading Parliament
I’m sure the 900 odd people she got working for her will script the necessary weasel words speech that will exonerate Peters.
BM – you have expertise in weasel words, and I am sure that you will read into it what you want. Be prepared for disappointment: the country is not with you.
Bishop will be toast after this schimoozle he should stick to Snapchat or go back to school ?
Winston will have his bases covered, Natzis are making mountains out of molehills ?
Jacaranda getting rave reviews in the Big Apple ?
Why do you keep putting question marks after everything? You seem to do it whether there is any question or not? Is it because you don’t actually want to give your view? I also notice you put a space between the last letter and the question mark? Why do you do that? You may not want to answer? Or you may want to? Answer that is?
Maybe confused ?
I dunno what your problem is.
I’d suggest if correct, blip start increasing his list of Labour fuckups
Thanks for the caption ms. Appropriate.
Spare a thought everyone for the anguish and feelings of shame he puts his victims through.
What caption? Why that rapist is on here I’ll never know – fuck that guy. Put a picture of all his victims up.
Interesting perspective on Kavanaugh and his alleged (mandatory weasel word) habit of assaulting women: it wasn’t so much trying to get his rocks off or an exercise of power, but more about being a try-hard to win approval from his arsehole group of male buddies.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-allegations-yearbook-male-bonding.html?via=homepage_taps_top
Socialism or barbarism.
Capitalism and extinction.
“While economic growth continues we’ll never kick our fossil fuels habit
We are getting there, aren’t we? We’re making the transition towards an all-electric future. We can now leave fossil fuels in the ground and thwart climate breakdown. Or so you might imagine, if you follow the technology news.
So how come oil production, for the first time in history, is about to hit 100m barrels a day? How come the oil industry expects demand to climb until the 2030s? How is it that in Germany, whose energy transition (Energiewende) was supposed to be a model for the world, protesters are being beaten up by police as they try to defend the 12,000-year-old Hambacher forest from an opencast mine extracting lignite – the dirtiest form of coal? Why have investments in Canadian tar sands – the dirtiest source of oil – doubled in a year?
The answer is, growth. There may be more electric vehicles on the world’s roads, but there are also more internal combustion engines. There be more bicycles, but there are also more planes. It doesn’t matter how many good things we do: preventing climate breakdown means ceasing to do bad things. Given that economic growth, in nations that are already rich enough to meet the needs of all, requires an increase in pointless consumption, it is hard to see how it can ever be decoupled from the assault on the living planet.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/26/economic-growth-fossil-fuels-habit-oil-industry
Even in China , those brand new coal plants there were supposed to be cancelled by the central government, well the regional governments who build them have different ideas
“259 Gigawatts (GW) of new capacity are under development in China, comparable to the entire U.S. coal fleet (266 GW). This represents a 25% increase in China’s coal power fleet.
https://endcoal.org/2018/09/tsunami-warning/