This is a discussion we will be hearing more often in the coming years, said Joanne Orlando, researcher in technology and learning at the Western Sydney University, as children who have had their entire childhoods documented online by their parents reach an age where they can articulate their preferences for how much they want to share.
“I think we will see a pushback,” said Orlando, who called Apple’s reaction to her mother’s post: “not unusual and not uncalled for”. “For these kids, often the first time they hit social media is the ultrasound photo and then from day one when they’re born.
“So they don’t have any control over what their parents are putting up, or what comments their parents are adding to photos or videos, but we all know our digital lives are increasingly important. So they want to gain control over it when they’re able to.”
A former leader of NZ’s far right communities says groups have closed up shop, but we must interrogate their claims and listen to the voices they try to speak over, writes Kate Hannah.
Interviewing someone who has deep knowledge of these communities can, of course, be of immense value to understanding how the overlapping agendas of nationalism, nativism, the far right, alt-right, and neo-Nazi groups contributed to the discussions which encouraged this terrorist. However, Chapman’s interviews were an object lesson in the tactics these groups use to legitimise themselves through media manipulation – one which I hope New Zealand media will pay careful attention to.
Chapman began by simultaneously claiming distance from these groups – he stood down as National Front leader in 2009 – and revealing his closeness to the inner circle. According to him, the National Front is ‘closing’, and the Dominion Movement – a younger, so-called ‘alt’ right group – has shut down its public presence and gone silent. “There are pretty much no groups left,” he said.
He then uses a tactic often seen in fascist groups – creating false separation, in order to legitimise the group/s depicted as most ‘reasonable.’ Newer groups – the Dominion Movement – are not proper nationalists, which denigrates that groups and validates his former group, the National Front, as “true” nationalists. In a clever piece of linguistic sophistry, Chapman then describes the National Front as being like the gangs (Mongrel Mob, Black Power, etc) – a place for disaffected, marginalised men to gather, but posing “little threat”.
This claim should have been – and hopefully will be – interrogated. On one hand, some gangs have been working hard in the last years to be accepted and acceptable in parts of New Zealand society. On the other, gang violence is still a significant contributor to crime statistics.
So if Chapman wants to make that comparison, what work has the National Front done? And does comparing these groups to gangs really suggest they pose “little threat”?
I wasn’t surprised when this guy was interviewed. Good to see this follow up.
“Interviewing someone who has deep knowledge of these communities can, of course, be of immense value to understanding how the overlapping agendas of nationalism, nativism, the far right, alt-right, and neo-Nazi groups contributed to the discussions which encouraged this terrorist. However, Chapman’s interviews were an object lesson in the tactics these groups use to legitimise themselves through media manipulation – one which I hope New Zealand media will pay careful attention to.”
I heard the interview…and I suspect Chapman is simply old and tired…happens to us all.
I also heard it and he sounded just like he always does. In 2010, after he ‘stood down’ he started a ‘survivalist’ club and got on TV again. With ol’ mate Mark Ellis no less: https://youtu.be/h6_lm6QAWh8
From the now defunct NationalFrunt blog:
So, we got on the telly recently.
In How the other half lives, celebrity dude Marc Ellis joined us for a weekend of survival training. he didn’t even take the piss, much.
The show was recorded a while ago, and it was quite good. No one mentioned that we were a bunch of moronic nazis, they didnt even use our last names, so the average viewer would have been unaware that Kyle Chapman, Steve Larsen and Jason Orme are all well known white power neo nazis. Although Steve Larsen nearly gave the game away when Marc Ellis got him to say a lot of stuff about how Maori extremists allegedly training in the bush with guns was a very dangerous thing for white people everywhere. A few minutes later they showed a bunch of white power extremists training in the bush with guns, them being us! Luckily the Police seem to be letting us get away with it for now. cool eh? We looked awfully professional and militant too. All dressed up in camouflage, just like real soldiers.
and hes run for Mayor 3 times….he was more interested in the limelight than anything else….after 40 odd years he finally realises hes wasting his time…no surprises there, its well understood that the main reason that lifetime anti-socials conform is advancing years
It never goes away. Generational prejudice takes a lot more to edadicate than taking a few signs down.
A retired British army officer described Europe to me as ‘centuries of institutionalised hate’ sitting in a lovely English pub inside a Roman walled town.
Yes Arkie, I agree with your points raised and RNZ are doing a “We are being reasonable in naming the gunman” promptly writing articles without any real questions for Chapman to prove his statements as Hannah points out, while in one article RNZ name the perp three times and once in the “we are being reasonable” article..
Complete “We and they (White Power Extremists) are ok shite”. IMO
Talk about plaster the cracks and offer no useful information to the victims or the public. In plain sight!!.
I just noticed TS now has QR codes on each page (maybe they always did and I just did not notice?). Fantastic!
Do many of you use QR Codes much?
We use them on our business as Chinese (who form many of our clients) expect them, but Kiwi clients either do not use or many times not even understand them. Any feedback would be much appreciated.
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Looks like ms is having problems with this. I will desist from raising a beer and help him out.
Interesting article and indeed a timely warning for all you proud parents / grandparents out there who are into social media in a big way. Don’t go posting pics of your kids/g’kids on instagram etc without their consent!
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/mar/29/apple-martin-tells-mother-gwyneth-paltrow-off-for-sharing-photo-without-consent
From RNZ:
I wasn’t surprised when this guy was interviewed. Good to see this follow up.
“Interviewing someone who has deep knowledge of these communities can, of course, be of immense value to understanding how the overlapping agendas of nationalism, nativism, the far right, alt-right, and neo-Nazi groups contributed to the discussions which encouraged this terrorist. However, Chapman’s interviews were an object lesson in the tactics these groups use to legitimise themselves through media manipulation – one which I hope New Zealand media will pay careful attention to.”
I heard the interview…and I suspect Chapman is simply old and tired…happens to us all.
I also heard it and he sounded just like he always does. In 2010, after he ‘stood down’ he started a ‘survivalist’ club and got on TV again. With ol’ mate Mark Ellis no less:
https://youtu.be/h6_lm6QAWh8
From the now defunct NationalFrunt blog:
and hes run for Mayor 3 times….he was more interested in the limelight than anything else….after 40 odd years he finally realises hes wasting his time…no surprises there, its well understood that the main reason that lifetime anti-socials conform is advancing years
I agree he’s looking for attention, and has been given it, but I don’t believe he’s conforming or retiring, he has said it all before.
as is your right.
they are not ‘gone’.
they have just closed their ‘public’ face.
and given themselves some new names.
It never goes away. Generational prejudice takes a lot more to edadicate than taking a few signs down.
A retired British army officer described Europe to me as ‘centuries of institutionalised hate’ sitting in a lovely English pub inside a Roman walled town.
Vigilance and communication folks, pass it on.
Yes Arkie, I agree with your points raised and RNZ are doing a “We are being reasonable in naming the gunman” promptly writing articles without any real questions for Chapman to prove his statements as Hannah points out, while in one article RNZ name the perp three times and once in the “we are being reasonable” article..
Complete “We and they (White Power Extremists) are ok shite”. IMO
Talk about plaster the cracks and offer no useful information to the victims or the public. In plain sight!!.
I just noticed TS now has QR codes on each page (maybe they always did and I just did not notice?). Fantastic!
Do many of you use QR Codes much?
We use them on our business as Chinese (who form many of our clients) expect them, but Kiwi clients either do not use or many times not even understand them. Any feedback would be much appreciated.