Daily review 29/07/2019

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  1. Gabby 1

    Has kiwi barney buggered off?

  2. greywarshark 2

    A change from the Brit faces.   They are dead set on leaving in October in their Brexit.   Everything will be achieved then and apparently they don't want to clean up afterwards.    We have little men and women to do that for us!   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/boris-johnson-vote-leave-eu-exit

    Boris being passionate.   Oh dear.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49146480

    • Dukeofurl 2.1

      NOT dead set on leaving . A permanent Irish backstop is unacceptable  ( its was part of the deal  negotiated by May that was rejected by the Commons)

      If The EU wants to support Ireland let they pay them directly , rather than a round about way of putting a border in the Irish Sea, and making Northern Ireland  a part of Irish Republic  – not that isnt eventually a good idea but not this way.

      After all the EU stiffed Ireland during the GFC  banking crisis when they gave Ireland the impression  if the bailed out their own banks they would get direct EU aid in return,  the Germans especially reneged on that deal.

  3. ScottGN 3

    Somebody should tell Derek Cheng at the Herald that Labour + Greens at 49% in tonight’s Colmar Brunton would deliver a majority of seats for them in the parliament.

    • alwyn 3.1

      I think someone should remind you that the Greens normally drop below their polling numbers on election day. Last election was an exception of course and illustrated a miraculous effort by James Shaw to make people forget about the sometime leader, and benefit fraudster Meteria.

      Now with National at 45%, Labour at 43%, NZF at 3% and the Green Party at 4.5% who would form the Government?

      I wonder what Ms Ardern's numbers would have been if people had realised she was spending more time arranging glossy magazine covers than attending to the failures of the Government she purports to lead?

      • Charlie 3.1.1

        How about I remind you that National will will be in opposition for at least three terms. Get used to it and stop making dickhead comments here about our beautiful, intelligent leader.

        • MickeyBoyle 3.1.1.1

          Arrogance like that helps no one. This government needs to earn the right to govern again, not assume it is guaranteed. We mock Nationals born to rule ideals, let's not follow suit.

          • Charlie 3.1.1.1.1

            As a former Nashnil leader once said – the average voter wouldn't know a deficit if he tripped over one. You are as politically ignorant.

            • McFlock 3.1.1.1.1.1

              Pride goes before the fall. I recall after the nat victory in 2008 the news was doing a vox pop and some hick was claiming four terms for the nats.

              Labour and the greens need to keep their energy high and keep coming up with new ideas. Kiwibuild fizzled, but was at least and attempt. The state housing stock is growing again, and the trees and the rail seem to be coming along. The worst thing they can do is get "victory disease" and start coasting.

          • Louis 3.1.1.2.1

            No, this one "Prime Minister John Key says he will no longer answer questions about his actions without warning

            "http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8514821/John-Key-changes-tack-over-questioning

            Key storms out of media conferencehttp://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5972674/Key-storms-out-of-media-conference

            • Shadrach 3.1.1.2.1.1

              The conversation wasn't about John Key.  Funny how KDS still exists after all these years.

              • Louis

                It wasnt about  "kds" did you get the point though? and where's the proof that "Jacinda Ardern has personally tried to prevent media from asking about the Ihumātao dispute" and its not a "charm offensive" either,  the trip to visit NZ territory and its NZ citizens was planned months ago.  

                • Shadrach

                  Jacinda Ardern has her own form for storming out of press conferences, and she is the PM NOW.  Key has not been the PM for 3 years, but sure continue to obsess over him if you like.

                  As for proof of Ardern's hissy fit, didn't you read the article:

                  "Jacinda Ardern has personally tried to prevent media from asking about the Ihumātao dispute while on a charm offensive in the Pacific.

                  Her staff threatened journalists with restricted access to the PM if they did, forcing her Beehive team to intervene from Wellington. 

                  After crisis calls from the capital, media were allowed a second shot."

                  Let's wait for the denial shall we?

                  [Provide “proof of Ardern’s hissy fit” or take it back unless you are proving that you are making up shit and shit stirring here, which will have a predictable consequence – Incognito]

                  • Incognito

                    See my Moderation note @ 4:23 PM.

                  • Shadrach

                    "Jacinda Ardern has personally tried to prevent media from asking about the Ihumātao dispute while on a charm offensive in the Pacific.

                    Her staff threatened journalists with restricted access to the PM if they did, forcing her Beehive team to intervene from Wellington. 

                    After crisis calls from the capital, media were allowed a second shot."

                    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-tried-to-prevent-media-asking-about-ihuma-tao.html

                    ‘Personally tried to…” That's a hissy fit. Most likely the result of not being able to handle the heat.
                    But surely you’re not going to do a Mallard are you and run interference for her?

                    • Incognito

                      hissy fit

                      noun informal•North American

                      an angry outburst; a temper tantrum.

                      "I screamed and kicked the furniture and threw a hissy fit"

                      Where is your “proof of Ardern's hissy fit”? If you cannot provide it, just say so, and then decide whether you take back your earlier allegations or not. I don’t care either way …

                    • Shadrach

                      I've given you proof.  Here's another definition for you:

                      "noun. A sudden outburst of temper, often used to describe female anger at something trivial. "

                      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hissy%20fit

                      Fits her outburst at being uncomfortably challenged perfectly.

                      Merriam Webster defines hissy fit as ‘tantrum’.
                      That fits perfectly as well.

                      Why do I get the feeling you don’t want to explain JA’s behaviour at trying to shut down the media? Is it really that you are running interference for her? Or you don’t believe the media reports? Which is it?

                    • Incognito []

                      Why do I get the feeling that you are wasting my time and trying to attribute hidden motivations to me?

                      As far as I can tell, there is one media report in which it is alleged that the PM “tried to prevent media from asking about the Ihumātao dispute while on a charm offensive in the Pacific”. Do I believe that one media report? Should I?

                      There is no mention in that report of a “hissy fit”, “tantrum”, “outburst”, “anger”, et cetera. It is not in the media report that you linked to. Therefore, I don’t have to believe something that is not even in the report and you created a strawman.

                      In other words, you made up shit, with a slightly sexist and misogynistic undertone, I may add. BTW, I don’t think I have to explain anything but nice try nevertheless.

                      I think you are playing a futile game because the PM’s staff did grant an interview, according to that media report.

                      Why do I get the feeling my next response to you will be as Moderator because I have run out of patience and will no longer give you a chance to redeem yourself? I am starting to think that I have been too lenient with some commenters here.

                      Let’s see if you can make a wise decision …

                    • Shadrach

                      I made up nothing.  I quoted directly from a media report, one that seems for all purposes to be reliable.  The fact that questions were later taken on the subject seems to have been due to the involvement of the PM's Beehive advisors, a level of protection being afforded to Jacinda Ardern that some in the media are now openly discussing. 

                      The PM's reaction fits the definition of hissy fit.  My ascribing motive to you is a natural response to your sensitivity to my comments.  Far worse is said here about other figures without your type of reaction.  The PM is IMHO the only thing standing between Labour and electoral defeat.  She is not, and should not be, immune from criticism.

        • SHG 3.1.1.3

          Hey, Shaw isn't ugly but I'm not sure I'd call him "beautiful"

      • Pat 3.1.2

        4.5%?…what poll are you looking at?

      • ScottGN 3.1.3

        And you need reminding that Greens always tick back up on their election night result once Specials are counted and have always gained a seat off National.
        Given where Labour is polling now, 6-8% for Greens will be enough to deliver a Labour Greens government.
        National’s ceiling seems to be 45% and it isn’t enough.

        • Charlie 3.1.3.1

          No mates Nashnil are doomed….forever a high polling opposition…ha bloody ha!!!!

      • Dennis Frank 3.1.4

        Greens scored 6%, actually.  Colmar Brunton are in danger of losing credibility, since the polling by both parties put National under 40% a few days back.  And NZF haven't done anything to piss people off & explain their drop.

        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/national-top-nz-first-drops-in-latest-1-news-colmar-brunton-poll

        • alwyn 3.1.4.1

          " since the polling by both parties put National under 40% a few days back"

          You have some evidence for this claim do you? An informant in the National Party. Some proof that the Labour Party leak to Newshub was genuine, rather than their usual b*s, perhaps.

          You really shouldn't make things up you know. Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is.

          • Dennis Frank 3.1.4.1.1

            Both were reported in the media, then commented on here.  You weren't paying attention, obviously.  Hardly a coincidence that they both agreed.  Normally that's taken as evidence of a trend.  Kinda like police citing two witnesses confirming each other.  Feel free to dismiss both as anecdotal, but they do actually co-construct social reality when they back each other up like that.  Independently.

            • alwyn 3.1.4.1.1.1

              Well I've hunted for anything at all like that and the only claim I can find is this.

              "But Newshub was leaked years of National Party internal party polling which shows that on March 6 last year, just after Bridges took over, National dipped slightly below 40 to 39 percent."

              Is that what you regard as evidence? A claim from a left wing acolyte about a number that is supposed to have happened 17 months ago and that is supposedly showing a trend today? Do you actually have anything else except something that probably came, and was probably made up by, that twit Jami-Lee Ross who O'Brien so greatly admires?

              Come on. To make the claims that you do you must surely have something, anything to back them up rather than just the Tova O'Brien fantasies.

              • Dennis Frank

                That may have been one of them.  I agree the way the media spin the interpreting of polls often creates a false impression.  I don't take them seriously, just see them as approximate indicators of the public mood at the time.  Since perception is reality for so many on both sides of left/right nowadays, poll-reporting does construct our social reality more than it ought to.  So I tend to comment on those impressions created in the group mind.  I agree they are illusory, but they are also influential.  So I don't share your view that any right/wrong framing applies to these situations.  I've seen statistics as a dodgy discipline since I studied it at the University of Auckland long ago.

      • ScottGN 3.1.5

        It was a Skype photo apparently, probably took all of five minutes. Less time than it took for Key to mince down the catwalk eh?

      • A woman is doing an article on Women and Leaders causing change.

        Alwyn has a fit. lol lol

  4. ianmac 4

    Did anyone hear Winston on the "National Cancer Scheme."

    No wonder the radio program gave him just 2:35 of which the interviewer used up nearly 2minutes.

    Simon's hypocrisy is alive and well.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018706277

    • alwyn 4.1

      At this time in the evening Winston is often fairly hard to follow.

      What is this supposed hypocrisy that seems to concern you?

      Personally I think it is an excellent idea. I would think it can be achieved, which will be a great deal more than any of the crazy proposals, such as KiwiBuild that the Labour Party announced from the Opposition seats.

      • Charlie 4.1.1

        Because National withdrew funding from the existing cancer organisation dickhead.

        • MickeyBoyle 4.1.1.1

          And Labour gave neoliberalism to NZ. Parties can change, and the cancer announcement is great, no matter which side it came from.

          • ScottGN 4.1.1.1.1

            The cancer announcement is bollocks really. As Winston pointed out 50 million a year is chump change.

            • alwyn 4.1.1.1.1.1

              To Winston it certainly is.

              When you demand, and get, a billion a year as a slush fund to give out to you supporters $50,000,000.00 to spend on something useful would certainly seem like a risible sum. It wouldn't even pay the bill for one of the all weather race tracks he is getting the taxpayer to provide to his mates in the Racing fraternity I should think.

              Unfortunately it is us "chumps", the New Zealand taxpayers, who have to cough up the money for those pals of his who keep him the racehorse owners fraternity.

              • marty mars

                I was with you until this untidy effort

                Unfortunately it is us "chumps", the New Zealand taxpayers, who have to cough up the money for those pals of his who keep him the racehorse owners fraternity.

                It doesn't make sense buddy – slow it down, and think it through a bit more before posting.

                • solkta

                  So you think we should have a Minister for Racing?

                  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/portfolio/labour-led-government-2017-2020/racing

                  And that the Crown should pay for race tracks?

                  An all-weather training and racing track at Awapuni is on acting Prime Minister Winston Peters' list to receive some money from the provincial growth fund.

                  The minister for racing announced to a racing industry meeting in Invercargill on Wednesday there would be money to help build three synthetic tracks.

                  One of them would be in the South Island, one in Waikato, and the other "probably" at Awapuni.

                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/105626030/hopes-raised-for-allweather-racing-track-at-awapuni

                • alwyn

                  Yes, I see. The word "in" should have between "him" and "the". It should have read.

                  "Unfortunately it is us "chumps", the New Zealand taxpayers, who have to cough up the money for those pals of his who keep him in the racehorse owners fraternity".

                  He doesn't really have the money to own horses on his own and needs to be invited into syndicates to own them. 

                  • marty mars

                    sounds like you missed out – sour grapes eh

                    • alwyn

                      Not at all.

                      When I think about racehorse ownership I am reminded of the comment by Stan Goosman, who was an MP during my childhood and a noted and very successful racehorse owner.

                      He was the first owner, if my memory is correct, to win a million pounds in stakes from his horses. When he was asked what he would do with the money his response was along the lines that people had to remember that it had cost him two million pounds to do it.

                      I went to a racecourse once and had a bet on a horse. That was a Melbourne Cup meeting when I lived there. Going to the Melbourne Cup once was one of those bucket list things if you lived in the City. I had one bet on a horse in the cup. $10 to win and $10 to place I think it was. I had to have it explained to me how you made a bet with a bookmaker. The horse ran third and I had a profit. I stopped immediately so I can claim to have made money from gambling.

                      Owning racehorses was never something I have dreamed of though. That is a mugs game.

                    • marty mars

                      yes I was never into horses although my brother and mother both enjoyed the gee gees including part ownership – they seemed to get a real buzz from it – gambling is one vice I do not seem to suffer from

  5. ScottGN 5

    I sense the evil hand of Michelle Boag in this deeply cynical manoeuvre to have Banks consider standing in the Auckland Mayoral election primarily as a spoiler to take votes off Goff and make it easier for Tamihere.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/395284/john-banks-out-of-race-to-be-auckland-mayor

    • ianmac 5.1

      I am sure Banks has decided to drop the plan. Announced early in the week.

      • ScottGN 5.1.1

        Yeah Banks said he wasn’t going to stand because he was taking more votes off Tamihere than Goff.

  6. Fireblade 6

    Act are still polling 1%. The pink logo, freedom, pro-gun, free speech party crap is a total fizzer.

    • Stuart Munro. 6.1

      Half of that 1% is rounding. ACT is on media life support. So are the Gnats, poor babies.

      • Sacha 6.1.1

        Incredible that they can find even 5 people in 1000 who admit supporting that dead horse.

    • Puckish Rogue 7.1

      Be nice if they actually showed the results but at least Judes holding strong at 6% but I expect that to go up as the election draws nearer

      • ScottGN 7.1.1

        Gotta love your devotion Puck! Next election isn’t going to be Jude’s moment to shine though and she knows it.

    • Charlie 7.2

      3.1% error margin, just add that onto the coalition and its all sweet.

    • Fireblade 7.3

      Simon's doing a good job; up 1%. Well done.

    • mauī 7.4

      Brunton is shilling for the elite.

  7. chris T 8

    I guess we now know which of those last two polls was rogue.

    • ScottGN 8.1

      No we don’t know that at all actually. We simply know that Colmar Brunton is consistent. That’s not to say it isn’t consistently rogue.

      • chris T 8.1.1

        "That’s not to say it isn’t consistently rogue."

        Mr Oxymoron called and said to say "Hi"

        • ScottGN 8.1.1.1

          Haha. Fair cop. My point still stands though. All this poll does is point to Colmar Brunton’s methodology producing consistent results. There’s nothing to suggest that TV3s poll is a rogue.

  8. James 9

    ”Jacinda Ardern has personally tried to prevent media from asking about the Ihumātao dispute while on a charm offensive in the Pacific.

    Her staff threatened journalists with restricted access to the PM if they did, forcing her Beehive team to intervene from Wellington. 

    After crisis calls from the capital, media were allowed a second shot. “

    Most open government huh?  

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/07/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-tried-to-prevent-media-asking-about-ihuma-tao.html

    Threatening media – oh well done Jacinda  

    • Charlie 9.1

      C'mon jimmy you can troll better than that.

    • ScottGN 9.2

      TV3 offered no evidence that Ardern ‘personally’ tried to prevent questions about Ihumātao. And when she was asked she said she didn’t know what the questioner was talking about. So unless you’re inferring she outright lied…

      • James 9.2.1

        When she was asked she said that she didn’t know what the questioner was talking about ?

        situation normal then. 

    • ScottGN 9.3

      And Tova opining on the 6 o’clock news doesn’t actually make anything fact. She’s learnt her lessons at The Sun well it would seem.

      • Anne 9.3.1

        Some of the conspiracy theories that girl comes up with makes me wonder about her sometimes. Does she actually believe them or is someone feeding her the lines from behind the camera?

    • Naki man 9.4

      No spin doctor there to feed her the lines.

    • mauī 9.5

      The media should be sent to build sea walls for Tokelau as punishment. How dare they ask such questions.

    • chris T 9.6

      TBF, no one likes their birthday long weekend holiday with their dad ruined by the pesky media.

    • Gabby 9.7

      Once she's said, farcanal I don't know, it's a far kin minefield, we're all walkin on eggshells here, there's not much else to say is there jimbo.

  9. swordfish 10

    • swordfish 10.1

  10. peterlepaysan 12

    Polls are SO boring.  Election day can be interesting.  Otherwise consult you lotto ticket for possible future political results.

    It is media selling bait.  YAWN.

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