Daily review 30/07/2020

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  1. Robert Guyton 1
    30 July 2020 at 6:28 pm

    Jacqui Dean – Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear (as the disgraced Keeping Stock was want to say)

  2. PaddyOT 2
    30 July 2020 at 6:30 pm

    Sir Bill's economic policy looks like he has read the IMF reports for one, then deleted the solutions of IMF and written his own.

    Let it fail policy and advised " businesses to hoard some cash," .

    “Get ready for a long haul.”

    English said , " “capital and labour” had to move from tourism and some other sectors to those that might grow, such as “digitally oriented activities” .

    “That means businesses failures,” he said.

    He advised against the Government trying to intervene too much in that transition.

    “Some of it is the Government just keeping out of the way,” he said.

    English gives acknowledgment of similarities to US, soaring stock market( billions) but high unemployment- compared- NZ strong rising economic indicators ( activity back at pre covid levels.Treasury) yet unemployment still rising.

    Is the causation due to further inducing Corporations to hoard?

    An example hence would be Tower Insurance during lockdown announcing a 6 month profit of $12M dollars, profit up from 2019.
    Then Tower announces at the same time the sacking of 108 employers to further save another $3M for profit.

    • Muttonbird 2.1
      30 July 2020 at 7:20 pm

      Bingles had his turn. Needs to shut up now and let the next generation get on with it.

      • PaddyOT 2.1.1
        30 July 2020 at 7:33 pm

        They are. Paula's farewell speech is their next policy….

        I did this and I did that but we never really finished that ..but you know the green and white papers… and Billy's social Investment modèls….fixing up abused kids and peeeeple are all a work in progress, you know eeeh ?

    • Sacha 2.2
      30 July 2020 at 7:58 pm

      Link, Paddy?

      • PaddyOT 2.2.1
        30 July 2020 at 8:28 pm

        Just saw this with the post lag time.

        Parody, not a quote hence no speech marks.

        Valedictory speeches are all subsequently printed after speeches, including actions such as having tissues, on Hansard at https://www.parliament.nz .

        You use the database search on Hansard.

        • weka 2.2.2.1
          30 July 2020 at 9:00 pm

          Please provide a link with the post next time.

          • PaddyOT 2.2.2.1.1
            30 July 2020 at 9:44 pm

            This will take a 10 minute lag to post.

            A link for what weka? For writing one's own words ?? I don't get your adding a wagging finger ? I have no idea who or what the reference to Morrisey is.

            You know what weka? I've been around TS for some years. I have read post after post unreferenced including what may be deemed liabilous and or containing a range of prejudiced "……ism" s. No wagging fingers there ! Yet in one way or another with even the targetting by pernicious comments, I get a group of minions who dash in like a school yard brawl to support the blanking.

            However, reminded the other day that I should remember my place, by unclever words from a superior like " for us regular posters" . So either we’re encouraging a diverse democracy or can keep TS as an echo chamber.

            Serious question. What reference , weka, please state; and who is Morrisey?

            • weka 2.2.2.1.1.1
              30 July 2020 at 10:43 pm

              You used actual quotes in your first comment. Yes, you have to provide a link if that's where you got the quotes from.

              English said , " “capital and labour” had to move from tourism and some other sectors to those that might grow, such as “digitally oriented activities” .

              you took that from the article that you eventually linked to. I'm asking you to link in the same comment next time.

              And now that you've brought my attention to it, that whole bit in italics is lifted straight from the article, not just the bits in quotation marks. When you were asked for a link, you said it was parody and not quotes, and then referenced Hansard. But they're not your own words.

              So, next time, please link, and please make it clear which are your words and which are someone else's. If you want to write parody, you will have to use your own words not the words of an offsite journalist.

        • Sacha 2.2.2.2
          30 July 2020 at 9:48 pm

          Morrisey is another poster fond of artful transcripts. And yes, the link to the thing you were satirising is helpful. Otherwise how are the rest of us meant to have a clue what you are on about?

          • PaddyOT 2.2.2.2.1
            30 July 2020 at 10:17 pm

            So to be a Standardista one has to fit the mould and one must write in a conformed manner?

            Zàijiàn, zhù nǐ chéng gōng.

            Goodbye and go well in your endeavours

            • Sacha 2.2.2.2.1.1
              30 July 2020 at 10:22 pm

              Eh? Supplying a link is hardly a big ask. Grow up.

              • bwaghorn …
                30 July 2020 at 10:39 pm

                You are a link demanding bore . Time and technical problems stops some of us

                • Incognito …
                  30 July 2020 at 10:46 pm

                  no

                  • bwaghorn …
                    31 July 2020 at 8:54 am

                    Eeerch, every other day the link monitor is hassling someone .

                    Sacha where you a parking warden in a past life?

                • weka …
                  30 July 2020 at 10:48 pm

                  Paddy quoted, so he already had the page open. If quoting there has to be a link.

                  There's enough leeway here for tech and time issues, people can make that clear, but I don't think that was the problem here 😉

                  • greywarshark …
                    31 July 2020 at 10:32 am

                    Morrissey. About – "You know what weka? I've been around TS for some years. I have read post after post…I have no idea who or what the reference to Morrisey is. " Paddy Oh dear said this. I wondered how anyone could be a frequent visitor and not know about Morris[s]ey.

                    My conclusion is that this is Morrissey or his doppelganger. It seems his style.

                    And other commenters; if you are paraphrasing or putting your interpretation of the meaning behind the words – say so, 'This is how her farewell speech sounded to me' etc. and you try to remember where you saw/heard the original event. It helps us all to get a picture of what is going on to know if you heard it in the local toffs club, or at a white supremacist rally, or at the pub after downing x? beers.

                • Sacha …
                  31 July 2020 at 9:03 am

                  If you can't cope with the basics of online discussion, I recommend talkback radio.

  3. gsays 3
    30 July 2020 at 6:37 pm

    Wow!

    I thought Daily Review would be boiling, what with valedictory speeches, dire polls for the Nats, the very eloquent grieving Mother giving her side of fleeing Hamilton's isolation, and the Heron/Officer Barbrady report.

    I have a lot more sympathy for this family's plight after hearing Mum's side of events.

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018757278/i-was-panicking-mother-explains-escape-from-isolation

    Edit, when I started writing this it was 1/2 past 6 and no comments.

    • Incognito 3.1
      30 July 2020 at 6:41 pm

      Your sympathy is welcome and noted. The ‘hardliners’ won’t be swayed though and will still demand swift and harsh punishment without compassion 🙁

      • gsays 3.1.1
        30 July 2020 at 6:57 pm

        I am sharing a lounge with one of those hardliners.

        Hearing that the family was wearing masks and the son in Auckland was wearing a mask when caught, changed my view of the story.

    • Pat 3.2
      30 July 2020 at 6:42 pm

      Her side was a little inconsistent though she made a reasonable case (assuming her side was reasonably accurate which is by no means a given)

      • gsays 3.2.1
        30 July 2020 at 6:45 pm

        Equally, we've only had the state's version as gospel till now.

        • Pat 3.2.1.1
          30 July 2020 at 6:56 pm

          True enough although Id suggest the states version is viewed with suspicion by default…as said her version had some inconsistencies

    • weka 3.3
      30 July 2020 at 6:52 pm

      the kind of judgemental comments I've seen around these cases reminds me of bene bashing. The inability to imagine or allow for circumstances that might explain behaviour. The left needs to take a long hard look at itself. At the moment it looks like compassion for other humans is entirely conditional.

      • Draco T Bastard 3.3.1
        30 July 2020 at 7:10 pm

        At the moment it looks like compassion for other humans is entirely conditional.

        Yes, entirely conditional on them not endangering others with their selfishness.

        • weka 3.3.1.1
          30 July 2020 at 8:01 pm

          then we can't complain when the right do this to beneficiaries too. If compassion is only for those deemed worthy by the person with the biggest stick, it's probably not actually compassion.

          • Draco T Bastard 3.3.1.1.1
            30 July 2020 at 8:08 pm

            then we can't complain when the right do this to beneficiaries too.

            Beneficiaries don't do what these selfish dweebs did. Beneficiaries are, as a matter of fact, victims of capitalism. These guys are victims only of their own actions.

            Compassion isn't something that you should give out without thought to the consequences of your actions. Letting these people break the law for compassion is going to have everyone else demanding that we break the law for them as well because doing so is compassionate.

            • weka 3.3.1.1.1.1
              30 July 2020 at 8:18 pm

              "Beneficiaries don't do what these selfish dweebs did."

              From a right wing perspective that's not true. Next time they are in power, they will do this same shit all over again. I'd prefer it if the left didn't run lines that uphold that position (the deserving poor and the undeserving poor).

              Compassion isn't something that you should give out without thought to the consequences of your actions. Letting these people break the law for compassion is going to have everyone else demanding that we break the law for them as well because doing so is compassionate.

              I think you have misunderstood. They broke the law and should be dealt with by the law accordingly. Compassion is about how we interact with what they did and work with nuance and context. Compassion will lead to better quarantine processes eg the MoH upping its game around its bureaucracy, or hotels providing better access to smoking areas or alcohol. Making Q better means people will be more likely to comply. Compassion serves society as well as the individual, it's not a position of endorsing problematic behaviour. We can offer compassion to people we disagree with or whose actions are wrong. There is a difference between the person and what they did.

              • weka …
                30 July 2020 at 8:33 pm

                here's another way to think about it. When someone commits a crime and is charged and taken to court and found guilty, the judge has discretion about sentencing, based on mitigating factors. This is compassion of a kind. It says that it's not black and white, but that context matters. There are of course all sorts of problems with how that gets applied, but the basic principle of not saying that everyone person who escapes Q should be imprisoned for 5 years or whatever is important.

              • Draco T Bastard …
                30 July 2020 at 9:09 pm

                From a right wing perspective that's not true.

                The right-wing are, inevitably, wrong. Especially when you realise that their entire purpose for being in power is to rip off the country and that the beneficiary bashing is there as a distraction from their theft.

                (the deserving poor and the undeserving poor)

                At no point have I said or implied that. These people aren't poor so obviously such a statement does not apply.

                Compassion is about how we interact with what they did and work with nuance and context.

                No, its not.

                a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is stricken by misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering.

                Again, I must tell you to stop using words as if their meaning is what you want it to be.

                Compassion will lead to better quarantine processes eg the MoH upping its game around its bureaucracy, or hotels providing better access to smoking areas or alcohol.

                No, it won't. Better processes will.

                There is a difference between the person and what they did.

                Yes, there is but that statement has no meaning in context. What they did is the issue – not them.

                • gsays …
                  30 July 2020 at 9:23 pm

                  The context in which their actions took place is where compassion can arise.

                  • Draco T Bastard …
                    30 July 2020 at 10:12 pm

                    No, not really. In context its:

                    Their dad died, oh dear, how sad, never mind.

                    I don't have any compassion for any one who wilfully endangers others just because they feel hurt.

                • PaddyOT …
                  31 July 2020 at 1:03 am

                  yes Draco T Bastard

                  For Gallirallus' Clarity and to add to your definition of compassion

                  "the deserving poor and the undeserving poor " as uncited by the esteemed weka, is
                  referenced to original source – The Poor Act 1552 where Church Parishes kept registers of the poor and enacted powers they were given to, (among other powers) deem who was poor. This was not right wing politics nor left wing politics.
                  The English Poor Law 1531-1782 59–60 (1990). Paul Slack.

                  Then to be accurate when adding the plagiarised phrase of "the deserving poor and the undeserving poor ", it is further referenced to "The Poor Act of 1555" ( as a means to help enforce "The Poor Act 1952); whereby this law was passed by Queen Mary 1 requiring certain beggars to wear badges to identify types of poor that citizens in passing by ( not the Crown) should or should NOT give money to.

                  The poor could be found on the left or right of a street.

                  The English Poor Law 1531-1782 59–60 (1990). Paul Slack. Access through Waikato University database.

                  The political terms to be bandied around, Left and Right were first thought to have originated during the French Revolution ( 1789 – 1799) originally referring to seating arrangements in the French parliament: those who sat to the right of the chair of the then parliamentary president. These two sides of the room were grouped as Monarchists and Republicans. ( Right wing in modern times).
                  Knapp, Andrew. Wright, Vincent. The government and politics of France. New York: Routledge, 2001.

                  The people of English-speaking countries did not apply the terms right and left to their own politics until the 20th century. The English Ideology: Studies in the Language of Victorian Politics, George Watson Allen Lane, London, 1973, p. 94.

                  [the problem you have now is that you’ve got weka’s attention as a moderator in bold. Biggest mistake people make here is thinking that moderators want to spend their time on stupid arguments about moderation. If I have to keep reading your comments to see if you are stepping over a line, then I can tell you that at this point in the election cycle my patience will wear thin very quickly. You’ve now been warned – weka]

            • Incognito 3.3.1.1.1.2
              30 July 2020 at 9:33 pm

              These guys are victims only of their own actions.

              Nonsense. The children lost their father and were desperate to say their farewells. Instead, they were detained in distanced isolation.

              How many people did they endanger given that they had returned negative tests and were wearing facemasks? Four of them didn’t get very far at all but the risk to the NZ population was immeasurable?

              This is simply another case where (negative) emotions trump everything else.

              • Sabine …
                30 July 2020 at 9:51 pm

                – false negatives are a thing

                – they were detained in managed isolation due to them coming back to NZ not send to an island in the middle of nowhere

                – they knew that they were going to be send to managed isolation upon arrival in NZ, they knew it would take two weeks.

                – they managed to endanger everyone they came in contact with, mask while helpful in preventing spread of the droplets are not a get out of prison card – and everyone in NZ is lucky that their negative test was a correct result

                – have you got proof that they wore their masks at all times or are we on their word

                – four of them got somewhere another one got further, how many people did they interact with while out and about?

                – everyone of these that they interacted with could have potentially been infected, gone home to infect their whanau, gotten up the next day to work and spread it some more there and so on and so on – luckily they all got lucky, inclusive the coppers who were send to find them

                Also this might actually be the most important point.

                Webb said the family arrived into New Zealand from Brisbane on 21 July, with the funeral of the children's father due to take place today.

                "Upon arrival they requested an exemption to spend time with a family member and a recently deceased close relative, and attend the funeral. This request was declined as the health risk was deemed too high at that point in time, noting they had not yet conducted a day 3 test.

                Webb said the family tested negative for Covid-19 after the results from their first test came back mid to late afternoon yesterday.

                "At 6.15pm last night the family were contacted by my team and were advised we were actively considering their application, and doing everything we could to support it. They were made aware that the application process was looking positive, and that they would be given a decision by 8pm last night."

                1 hour and 45 minutes …….and they gave no fucks about NZ, you me or anyone.

                • gsays …
                  30 July 2020 at 10:02 pm

                  Your 1 hour and 45 mins is predicated on the state not failing to meet it's own deadline. Something it had already done several times.

                  Also that hindsight you are using is 20/20 vision. Not something available to this family at the time.

                  • Draco T Bastard …
                    30 July 2020 at 10:07 pm

                    What was available to the family at the time was that they knew that they weren't allowed out.

                    What's so hard to understand about that?

                  • Sabine …
                    30 July 2020 at 10:18 pm

                    We are either serious with protecting the country from the Virus and Covid – 19 or we are not.

                    Full stop.

                    There currently is an active case in Rotorua. Maybe that person too has a good and valid reason to run away?

                    We have been more then once now lucky with people breaking quarantine. And it literally takes only one person to bring the country back into lockdown 4,

                    so yeah, they should have waited until given permission. They choose not to. And with that decision they choose to endanger anyone they met on their way. And anyone who was met by Mum and her four kids was lucky that they were indeed not afflicted with this disease. LUCKY. Not safe at home. But Lucky that these guys did not carry the virus and infected everyone on their path.

              • Draco T Bastard …
                30 July 2020 at 10:05 pm

                The children lost their father and were desperate to say their farewells.

                And?

                This may come as a surprise but that's not our problem. Having a pandemic is.

                Instead, they were detained in distanced isolation.

                Yes – pandemic.

                How many people did they endanger given that they had returned negative tests and were wearing facemasks?

                1. We didn't know that they were negative when they left
                2. We only have their word that they wore masks
                3. Everyone

                Four of them didn’t get very far at all but the risk to the NZ population was immeasurable?

                Yes. That's why they were in isolation.

                This is simply another case where (negative) emotions trump everything else.

                Nope. Simply logic and what is required of us when there's a pandemic happening.

                • gsays …
                  30 July 2020 at 10:24 pm

                  This is simply another case where (negative) emotions trump everything else.

                  Nope.

                  Yep. The emotions are plentiful: "Fuck ’em." "Fuck her."

                  • Muttonbird …
                    30 July 2020 at 10:25 pm

                    And?

                    You are a great commenter but I am convinced this family’s decision to break out of quarantine was completely wrong and they should have to face the consequences of that decision regardless of circumstance.

                    The media intent on padding their story can shove it.

                    Honestly, I’d let this go. It was just another breakout until today when some dipshit decided to sympathetically interview her sob story for the clicks. Now I am completely mad about it.

                    Great job RNZ, you fucking idiots.

                  • Draco T Bastard …
                    30 July 2020 at 11:21 pm

                • anker …
                  30 July 2020 at 11:04 pm

                  100% draco…………I have no sympathy for anyone absconding, whatever their circumstances

                • Incognito …
                  30 July 2020 at 11:14 pm

                  Nope, simplistic ‘logic’. Logic would dictate to take all circumstances into account and the different PoVs. To refuse so is to deny reality. I wonder what the judge’s view is; maybe another hardliner …

                  • Draco T Bastard …
                    31 July 2020 at 12:15 pm

                    They didn't need to go to the funeral.

                    They didn't need to see the body.

                    Society did need them in quarantine to help protect from a deadly disease so that we didn't have so many more funerals.

        • greywarshark 3.3.1.2
          31 July 2020 at 10:39 am

          Thanks DTB about your consideration, but as one of the 'others' I don't jump in with selfishness as my judgment. You could try not to be selfish and hardlining yourself. This is a world-shaking time, and death is world-shaking to the individual and family. So with practicality in mind at all times, allowing a little compassion to creep in is the difference between living among humans, and living among humans who have had ideas implanted in their brains somewhow, and who can no longer think like a human. Don't please let that happen to you DTB!

          • Draco T Bastard 3.3.1.2.1
            31 July 2020 at 12:13 pm

            This is a world-shaking time, and death is world-shaking to the individual and family.

            Death happens. Its as much a part of life as being born. They're going to feel sorry for themselves because of their loss but they really didn't need to get to the body or even the funeral.

            Quarantine, on the other hand, is there to protect others from a deadly disease and is necessary.

            So with practicality in mind at all times, allowing a little compassion to creep in is the difference between living among humans

            I don't think like you so I'm not human?

            See, this is the othering that has become endemic in the Left over the last few decades and is most obvious/odious in identity politics.

            • greywarshark 3.3.1.2.1.1
              31 July 2020 at 4:33 pm

              DTB I was just hoping that you hadn't lost touch with your human identity not all the other isms and shades that have arisen. But you put on the breastplate of righteousness when you advance anti-capitalism and apparently are also anti everything else that people might be fond of. I didn't realise how far the anti-thing had gone in you; you need an antidote I think. What about offering to dress up as Santa for Christmas. Sweet!

      • anker 3.3.2
        30 July 2020 at 11:01 pm

        I am one of those who has made judgemental comments about absconders. Nothing has changed my mind about this woman's actions including that they were wearing masks.

        I have compassion for anyone experiencing loss, especially in Covid situations. But to abscond from isolation shows a self interest/sense of entitlement that puts an individuals needs above the greater good. She must have known that in coming to NZ there was no guarantee of getting compassionate leave. Saying that the state has let her down really annoys me. During a pandemic it is not "the States" job to ensure her kids get to see their fathers body. What risk was she putting her children at, scaling a big fence in the dark? risking arrest and a court appearance? How did this help her children.

        I feel exasperated that people don't accept we are in a pandemic and behalf accordingly. IMHO her kids would have been better off to stay in Oz and grieve peacefully together at home…………

        • weka 3.3.2.1
          30 July 2020 at 11:57 pm

          I don't disagree with too much there anker. The only thing I would say is that people aren't rational during intense grief. We have the grief associated with covid and the changes to our lives and society and future (not many are talking about this) and yep, some people are taking longer to adjust than others. Not being able to say goodbye to loved ones is going to hit some harder than others. So on top of the 'should be adjusting' they're also in acute grief from someone close to them having died suddenly. That's shock and pain and disbelief and anger, you bet that some people will make poor decisions at such a time.

          The compassion is understanding that whatever we think people should do, often there are reasons why they don't.

          Like I said, the judgements I have seen remind me of bene bashing. It reminds me of how the right and even some on the left treated Turei. We can still disagree with what someone has done while understanding why they did it. There are all sorts of ways to rationalise not offering that understanding.

    • Gabby 3.4
      30 July 2020 at 6:53 pm

      That dicking around call you in an hour kicking the can down the road crap is just so DHB.

      • gsays 3.4.1
        30 July 2020 at 7:26 pm

        Especially when it sounds like all the other ducks were in a row: police, security military, transport…

      • anker 3.4.2
        30 July 2020 at 11:06 pm

        The DHB got into a mighty amount of trouble in the media when the two English women were given compassionate leave to travel to Wellington. This likely means they are extremely cautious about granting leave now and exercise a supreme amount of care. So I am not sure kicking the can down the road is necessarily true

    • Anne 3.5
      30 July 2020 at 6:55 pm

      Re the link: It shows how easy it is to pass judgement without knowing the facts of a case. We are all guilty of doing it from time to time but some are far more guilty than others.

      I've just had the sad experience of having to listen to younger judgmental relatives running down Maori and others of a minority persuasion. It's the trend you see of the upwardly mobile, and those who want to believe they are superior beings to others.

      • In Vino 3.5.1
        30 July 2020 at 7:16 pm

        Sad and true, Anne – and still widely prevalent. They seem to dig their heels in instead of opening their minds..

      • anker 3.5.2
        30 July 2020 at 11:12 pm

        The facts are that the woman absconded from isolation…………If you think there are extenuating circumstances that make that o.k. for some, then I hear that is your point of view.

        I don't think there are any circumstances that make it o.k. to abscond from isolation. That is a very strong view I hold. Its a pandemic. We need to do everything to ensure the virus is kept out. That means really tight rules.

        BTW my own family circumstances will likely mean I am adversely effected re seeing seriously ill loved ones overseas. But I accept this is the world we live in

    • I Feel Love 3.6
      30 July 2020 at 7:05 pm

      Re the Heron report, I wonder if Woodhouse is annoyed with himself, all he would have had to do was say "no" if asked had he received the email from Boag & that would have been "good enough". Heron asked Boag did she send the email to anyone else & she said "no", Heron took her at her word. We pay him for that? Anyone could have got that result. Though, the Privacy Commissioner is still looking at it.

      • ianmac 3.6.1
        30 July 2020 at 7:21 pm

        Perhaps Woodhouse gained his copies from someone other than Boag.

      • Draco T Bastard 3.6.2
        30 July 2020 at 7:27 pm

        Heron asked Boag did she send the email to anyone else & she said "no", Heron took her at her word.

        That is not what an investigator doing their job does – ever.

        Someone fire him and ask for our money back.

        • Muttonbird 3.6.2.1
          30 July 2020 at 7:40 pm

          Reading between the lines Labour is going very softly on the opposition at the moment. JA is serene and Hipkins is going in to bat for our very own Hitler youth.

          There's a real sense of purpose in rising above the problems of their opponents and not getting involved.

        • Treetop 3.6.2.2
          30 July 2020 at 9:18 pm

          Will the privacy commissioner check to see if Boag sent the email to anyone else?

          If this is not going to happen, not good enough.

      • McFlock 3.6.3
        30 July 2020 at 9:45 pm

        I don't think the Heron report was all that bad. It's essentially a fire service response: make sure the thing ain't still burning.

        The privacy commissioner will do their review and I hope they throw the book at Boag in particular. If there's no book for them to throw, the MoH has hit the ARHT with a breach of contract notice, so that will make life fucky for them until they figure out how to stop a CEO telling people to send them patient data. But part of that might involve pursuing civil or criminal legal proceedings against employees apparently responsible for redirecting intellectual property into their personal possesssion instead of the Trust's. Which is a lovely thought.

    • Muttonbird 3.7
      30 July 2020 at 7:23 pm

      A mother who has admitted escaping managed isolation with her four children says she was left with no other option.

      Don't cart his kids off to Australia in the first place?

      • gsays 3.7.1
        30 July 2020 at 7:37 pm

        Hardliner I'm picking there, my sooty friend.

        • Muttonbird 3.7.1.1
          30 July 2020 at 7:43 pm

          When you import people from Australia you are importing a much slacker attitude to Covid-19.

          Imagine if everyone who came here for a funeral did this. We'd look like Victoria within two weeks.

          They had 700 new cases today and 87 vulnerable people have died in Australia since they ‘beat’ the virus. That is fast approaching double their initial Covid deaths with only worse to come.

          We’d be Melbourne x5 because of our weather and extremely poor housing in vulnerable communities.

          Too much is at stake and I am genuinely surprised there is any sympathy for this woman here.

          Fuck ’em.

          • gsays 3.7.1.1.1
            30 July 2020 at 7:49 pm

            Did you listen to her?

            • Muttonbird 3.7.1.1.1.1
              30 July 2020 at 7:53 pm

              Nope. And I won't. Surprised she gets the air time, frankly.

              • gsays …
                30 July 2020 at 8:08 pm

                Rightio.

              • anker …
                30 July 2020 at 11:13 pm

                100% Muttonbird

                • Muttonbird …
                  30 July 2020 at 11:19 pm

                  Elsewhere I have said the initial breach was annoying but the pimping of her case by RNZ and now some Standard faithful has got me really upset.

                  • Incognito …
                    30 July 2020 at 11:26 pm

                    Ok, this is getting a little nasty; do you know what pimping means?

                    • Muttonbird …
                      30 July 2020 at 11:41 pm

                      Of course I know what pimping means. I will retract if you order me to do so.

                      Like I say, this case had disappeared into the many cases of quarantine absconding until the media and some comments here re-highlighted it.

                    • Incognito []
                      31 July 2020 at 8:11 am

                      IMHO, accusing “some Standard faithful” of “pimping of her case” was misplaced. If you need to be ‘ordered’ to retract it means you think it was ok to make it personal with a most dubious statement 🙁

                      When those five people absconded, how “many cases of quarantine absconding” in total had there been here?

      • Draco T Bastard 3.7.2
        30 July 2020 at 8:09 pm

        Well, I suppose that depends upon when they left and if they expected him to suddenly die at the time.

        • Muttonbird 3.7.2.1
          30 July 2020 at 8:12 pm

          You're going soft on me Draco…

        • Sabine 3.7.2.2
          30 July 2020 at 9:26 pm

          when you move overseas permanently, one of the things that will come to your mind is your death….the one of your elders for example.

          I flew home when my mother was very ill with cancer, i arrived two hours short. I knew when marrying my kiwi husband and moving here that that would be a thing that could happen, that one day i would get a call that said so and so is ill, dying come now.

          And sometimes we arrive in time and get to say good bye, and sometimes we don't. Btw, the only reason i was able to attend the funeral of my mum two weeks later was because the person from the funeral liased with the police to release the body of my mother faster then usual as i only had three weeks to stay at home. My mum passed away at home and by law there needs to be a autopsy to verify that she died of natural causes – in her case cancer, rather then say an opiod overdose.

          So frankly that is a bullshit excuse. You don't generally expect anyone other then really old people to just die, but it happens. And you either live close enough to never miss a family death/funeral or you don't and then you accept that maybe you come to late.

          • gsays 3.7.2.2.1
            30 July 2020 at 9:44 pm

            If I have read you right, the subtle difference here is that the body was organised to be brought to Hamilton, to an appropriate facility.

            The family would have a brief time with him, return to isolation, and the body goes back to Auckland for the 10.30 tangi.

            • Sabine 3.7.2.2.1.1
              30 July 2020 at 10:04 pm

              the problem was that they could not wait until the final decision was made.

              1 hour and 45 minutes – and they CHOOSE not to wait.

              If it had been refused then, maybe i can find it in my heart to understand them. But they DID NOT WAIT. And that is what people are right fully upset about.

              We know too little about this virus and the illnesses that it brings forth, we have the mess of the US / OZ / England / France /Spain / Italy to look at if we want to know how bad it can get. We might want to keep that in mind.

          • Draco T Bastard 3.7.2.2.2
            30 July 2020 at 10:20 pm

            Well, yeah.

            My point was that leaving wasn't the problem – it was the expecting everything to be the same after the pandemic hit.

      • greywarshark 3.7.3
        31 July 2020 at 4:37 pm

        Don/t have kids would be the final solution Muttonbird. So much easier and cuts complexity right down so one can see one's path straight and clear. And further don't have a partner or friend that makes life complex too.

    • PaddyOT 3.8
      30 July 2020 at 7:37 pm

      Oh gsays it is boiling.

      I'm releasing another Inquiry report just for you.

      ‐——–

      "Inquiry report by Howard .I. Know QC

      Because Mr.Hamish Walker and Ms. Michelle Boag have admitted their guilt, I surmise the following-:

      1. By admission of their guilt the Inquiry will peruse the Evidence. At this level of jurisdiction, in my official power to make legal decisions and judgements, I called upon Ms. Boag and Mr. Walker to submit The Evidence.

      2. Mr.Walker admitting a terrible mistake, was distressed and feeling picked on. He did not involve anyone else that mattered to this inquiry but Ms.Boag.

      3. Ms. Boag was a number of a party who became a recipient of a highly confidential email from inept Health Ministry staff.

      4. Because of the aforementioned admissions to the public later, no other persons are sequestered nor any computer databases sought.

      Conclusion:

      Along with privacy obligations written clearly on emails, I find the Ministry of Health should have encrypted their communications.

      The two persons admitted their mistakes therefore I will pass this matter on to the Privacy Commission. I hope in that time that no other contextual data for evidence will be wiped. "

      Signed H.I.KnowQC ".

      ‐——————-

      Now for my invoice …..

    • joe90 3.9
      30 July 2020 at 7:52 pm

      This selfish woman had no concern for the safety and well being other people, and we’re supposed to do what after listening to her wee sob story?

      Feel badly for her?

      I don't fucking think so.

    • Treetop 3.10
      30 July 2020 at 10:11 pm

      Why was the family put in Hamilton when the body was in Auckland?

      Communication could have been a lot better when it came to giving the mother a decision on seeing the body or not seeing the body.

      Not only is the family dealing with a close death, the family need to remain in NZ until September for sentencing.

      I would Iike to see the mother recieve a compassionate sentence and for counselling support to be given to the family as their situation could have been managed better than it was.

      The pandemic is such, that it is separating people at a very differcult time and this is overwhelming for children when loss of a parent has occurred.

      • Muttonbird 3.10.1
        30 July 2020 at 10:24 pm

        This psycho woman needs to be billed for her and her kids' stay according to the new rules, after they get out of prison. Then they should be shipped back to Queensland where they belong.

        • gsays 3.10.1.1
          30 July 2020 at 10:35 pm

          Jeez, I trust you are just an anonymous keyboard warrior with no actual authority.

          • Muttonbird 3.10.1.1.1
            30 July 2020 at 10:38 pm

            I have zero authority. Just an NZ citizen like you. She jimmied a window and broke out 5 people during the most dangerous pandemic in 100 years.

            Ship her and her kids back to Queensland. That’s the life they chose.

            I was mildly upset by the initial breach but I’m now wild at the sympathetic framing by RNZ and now some commenters on this forum.

            • Incognito 3.10.1.1.1.1
              30 July 2020 at 10:53 pm

              Could be worse, you could be sick to death!

              • Muttonbird …
                30 July 2020 at 11:08 pm

                I, and my family of four are fine, thanks.

                Full sport for them, nine engagements per week plus full academic classes uninterrupted.

                Unlike Melbourne which has been forced back into an ill-considered L3 lockdown. No kids’ sport. It should be an Australia wide L4 lockdown.

                This Queensland woman and her family jearpordised my family’s sacrifice and hundreds of thousands of other families like mine.

                She can go back to AUS anytime and NZ will be much better off.

                • Incognito …
                  30 July 2020 at 11:23 pm

                  Of course, you are, because if you were dead like the father of those children, you wouldn’t be commenting here, would you, and your family would not be fine, would they? I have experienced a similar situation myself and I would not wish that upon anybody else, least of all on children.

                  I’m sure that family of five will be all right too, once they have done their time here and been kicked out of NZ. They’re obviously undesirables and unwanted in this lovely country that is ours and ours only.

      • Draco T Bastard 3.10.2
        30 July 2020 at 10:32 pm

        Why was the family put in Hamilton when the body was in Auckland?

        Because that was all that was available? You may not have noticed but we don't have unlimited space.

        Communication could have been a lot better when it came to giving the mother a decision on seeing the body or not seeing the body.

        Not it really couldn't have been.

        You're here, the body's there. So, no, you can't see it.

        Not hard, not complex and that's what she was told.

        I would Iike to see the mother recieve a compassionate sentence and for counselling support to be given to the family as their situation could have been managed better than it was.

        No. She wouldn't receiving a sentence if she'd just waited. And I'm pretty sure their situation was managed as well as it could be. Its not the people managing isolation that are wrong here – they are.

        The pandemic is such, that it is separating people at a very differcult time and this is overwhelming for children when loss of a parent has occurred.

        Yeah, shit happens. This does not allow for special cases.

        • anker 3.10.2.1
          30 July 2020 at 11:18 pm

          Agree 100% Draco and Muttonbird

        • Treetop 3.10.2.2
          31 July 2020 at 9:40 am

          I read your comments.

          The situation was not handled as well as it could have been. Had the family been assigned a person who had the right skills to manage the families grief, their anxiety could have been reduced or fully KNOWN. Fight or flight response probably occurred due to the intensity of the situation for the family.

          Isolation is required for 14 days to prevent community transmission. This does not mean that the body could not have been taken to a room where the family were staying.

          There are so many ways in which Covid-19 can escape from isolation that any day this could happen.

          I REPEAT "the situation was not handled as well as it could have been."

          Do not make the mistake of blaming the mother for other people pissing her about and not emotionally supporting her when she was having a crisis moment.

          • Draco T Bastard 3.10.2.2.1
            31 July 2020 at 12:23 pm

            The situation was not handled as well as it could have been.

            Yes, it was. Was it handled perfectly – no. It a quarantine situation there has to be give and take on both sides. This woman didn't give any.

            Do not make the mistake of blaming the mother for other people pissing her about and not emotionally supporting her when she was having a crisis moment.

            I'm not blaming her for that. I'm blaming her for breaking quarantine because she couldn't control her own damn emotions.

            Your logical fallacy of the day is: Appeal to Emotion

            • Treetop 3.10.2.2.1.1
              31 July 2020 at 1:41 pm

              "I'm not blaming her for that. I'm blaming her for breaking quarantine because she couldn't control her damn emotions."

              Her emotions were not being anticipated and they needed to be as there was a crisis unfolding.

              Did anyone consider that the mother could try and escape and to prevent this?

              And

              How would you have prevented an escape?

      • Rosemary McDonald 3.10.3
        31 July 2020 at 7:00 am

        Why was the family put in Hamilton when the body was in Auckland?

        Finally! Someone asks the right question.

        • Pat 3.10.3.1
          31 July 2020 at 7:57 am

          it may have something to do with a constrained capacity and the need to keep different cohorts separated and together in those limited facilities….Hamilton was prepared for that flight.

          7000 individuals needs are difficult to cater for to the nth degree

          • Rosemary McDonald 3.10.3.1.1
            31 July 2020 at 8:26 am

            Granted, this is a difficult situation and it is near impossible to meet everyone's expectations.

            But, I assume this family made their situation clear to Whoever Was In Charge…to the point They seriously considered trucking the Deceased from Auckland to Hamilton to facilitate a viewing…why the hell could They not have injected a bit of flexibility into their system?

            Perhaps a small van and a couple of driver/minders could have taken this whanau up the Expressway to say their private goodbyes? Four hours max….and they would have been back in their isolation digs by the time the bureaucrats had made their minds up.

            And of course this could have be done safely…in the same manner they were trucked from Auckland to Hamilton in the first place.

            On one hand I get folks are scared and angry that these 'selfish people put the lives of all at risk with their unreasonable demands', but on the other I have personal experience with MOH bureaucrats and have found them not overburdened with decision making abilities. Delay is their favourite tactic, common sense is a foreign concept.

            Seriously…kindness and common sense would have gone a long way towards mitigating this particular shit-show.

            • Incognito 3.10.3.1.1.1
              31 July 2020 at 8:37 am

              yes

              • Just Is …
                31 July 2020 at 9:20 am

                The "real question" is what would YOU have done in the same circumstances, and why.

                ie, would you have waited for conformation to be able to leave with permission.

                or

                Would you have broken out, knowingly breaking the Law.

                This applies to all sides of the argument.

                What would You have done?

                • Treetop …
                  31 July 2020 at 9:55 am

                  I would have assessed the grief and anxiety that the mother had and then I would have supported her and the children until a decision was made. And were the decision to have been not seeing the body, I would have done everything I could knowing that there were limits.

                  Appearing in court probably was a blur and may of not been appropriate.

                  Lack of management grasping the situation was the main problem.

                  • Just Is …
                    31 July 2020 at 2:01 pm

                    Treetop

                    Your arguing after the fact.

                    Was anyone in the quarantine facility even aware of the emotional distress the family were in?

                    If the answer is No, then difficult to provide care.

                    Is there a process for the returnees to access?

                    In these circumstances, of having to attend a funeral, if not, maybe a more robust system is required to acknowledge the potential risks, the system isn't geared towards people with anguish and anxiety from a loved one passing away.

                    They were awaiting a response to be delivered only a short time after they escaped.

                    Maybe this is a learning curve for the Border Quarantine managers, and has highlighted a deficiency in the system that deserves more consideration.

                • Incognito …
                  31 July 2020 at 10:49 am

                  Nope, that is a distraction and a diversion towards a hypothetical situation and thus not the “real question” at all, IMO. We know what happened, more or less, and we need to understand it before we can make a sensible judgement about this particular case, if we feel inclined to do so. They have admitted the breach so that’s not in question.

                  • Just Is …
                    31 July 2020 at 2:06 pm

                    Hypothetical

                    Because you're not sure what your own response might be if you were placed in the same circumstances?

                    Would you have raised a flag, asked for more assistance, or forced a window to escape?

                  • Drowsy M. Kram …
                    31 July 2020 at 2:35 pm

                    My hypothetical is whether this particular family, knowing what they know now (and what some suggest they knew then, e.g. that their application was receiving favourable consideration), including the prospect of a sympathetic 20-minute interview on RNZ, and the charges and potential penalties they face, would do anything differently. I hope that they would, for everyone's sake – if they wouldn't then some things need to change, e.g. more focused help and advice for those experiencing unusually high levels of stress.

                    When large numbers of people (by NZ standards) find themselves in (stressful) circumstances that carry an unusual health risk (to themselves and/or others), then any hint that the rules governing those circumstances are flexible is asking for trouble. We saw this in lockdown (heck, the Minister of Health ultimately lost his portfolio because of poor judgement over his movements), and I'd suggest that we'll see more of it if the idea that you can ‘have a go‘ at breaching border quarantine without significant consequences gains traction.

                    • Just Is …
                      31 July 2020 at 3:00 pm

                      Patients is a rare human trait.

                      Emotional greif clouds peoples judgment.

                      Border Quarantine is there to protect every NZer.

                      We need to learn from these experiences and make adjustments accordingly.

            • Treetop 3.10.3.1.1.2
              31 July 2020 at 10:13 am

              The Wespac helicopter could have flowen the body to Hamilton and returned by van.

              The details would need to have been managed carefully and agreed by the mother. A person can only make an informed decision when they have all the details.

              Common sense was required and not politics or an unnecessary delay in making a decision.

              Not to sure but culturally the body is not removed at night. So cultural awareness was lacking.

            • Draco T Bastard 3.10.3.1.1.3
              31 July 2020 at 12:29 pm

              why the hell could They not have injected a bit of flexibility into their system?

              Because its quarantine.

              Perhaps a small van and a couple of driver/minders could have taken this whanau up the Expressway to say their private goodbyes?

              And then we'd have thousands of people demanding the same bloody thing with an inevitable loss of quarantine.

              And of course this could have be done safely…

              No, it wouldn't. The breaking of quarantine is inherently not safe.

              common sense is a foreign concept.

              Common sense is a fallacy being neither common nor sense.

              Seriously…kindness and common sense would have gone a long way towards mitigating this particular shit-show.

              What would have easily mitigated this shit show was a stupid, selfish person not breaking quarantine.

      • anker 3.10.4
        31 July 2020 at 2:19 pm

        the woman was put in Hamilton because quarantine places are limited and Hamilton must have been the place they could accommodate her family. FFS this isn't a holiday we are offering people. Go where you are sent, because the priority is keeping NZders safe

    • mpledger 3.11
      31 July 2020 at 10:37 am

      I have sympathy for her predicament but … she appears to have no comprehension of the catastrophe she could have caused … and the first people impacted would have been her own whanau.

      In her radio interview, rather than apologizing for her actions, she just tried to vindicate them by blaming everyone else.

      Everyone seemed to be bending over backwards to give her what she wanted (at no cost to her from what I can tell) but because it wasn't on her timetable she decided that noone but herself mattered.

    • Treetop 3.12
      31 July 2020 at 5:42 pm

      You spoke to soon about any reaction. Your topic of the mother's interview gave some strong views.

      Wow to the response.

  4. joe90 4
    30 July 2020 at 7:46 pm

    Seems having more money than dog makes you stupid.

    https://twitter.com/sarahcpr/status/1288521738641342473

    • weka 4.1
      30 July 2020 at 8:12 pm

      what interests me about that story is not that Madonna did something stupid, but the number of liberals who are believing the Frontline Doctors propaganda, despite the known connections to pro-fascist right. That group of otherwise progressive people is growing, and they're a dangerous mix of libertarianism, poor science literacy, and apolitical world views.

      More important to them than left/right is concern about the government and authority. The left really needs to stop ridiculing them, and remember how radicalisation works. In NZ we still have the chance to create a better culture than in the US, but that window won't be open for long and the right are actively promoting politics that takes advantage of the disaffection.

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    Having written, taught and worked for the US government on issues involving unconventional warfare and terrorism for 30-odd years, two things irritate me the most when the subject is discussed in public. The first is the Johnny-come-lately academics-turned-media commentators who … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    23 hours ago

  • Despair – construction consenting edition
    Eric Crampton writes – Kainga Ora is the government’s house building agency. It’s been building a lot of social housing. Kainga Ora has its own (but independent) consenting authority, Consentium. It’s a neat idea. Rather than have to deal with building consents across each different territorial authority, Kainga Ora ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    23 hours ago

  • Coalition promises – will the Govt keep the commitment to keep Kiwis equal before the law?
    Muriel Newman writes – The Coalition Government says it is moving with speed to deliver campaign promises and reverse the damage done by Labour. One of their key commitments is to “defend the principle that New Zealanders are equal before the law.” To achieve this, they have pledged they “will not advance ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    23 hours ago

  • An impermanent public service is a guarantee of very little else but failure
    Chris Trotter writes –  The absence of anything resembling a fightback from the public servants currently losing their jobs is interesting. State-sector workers’ collective fatalism in the face of Coalition cutbacks indicates a surprisingly broad acceptance of impermanence in the workplace. Fifty years ago, lay-offs in the thousands ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • What happens after the war – Mariupol
    Mariupol, on the Azov Sea coast, was one of the first cities to suffer almost complete destruction after the start of the Ukraine War started in late February 2022. We remember the scenes of absolute destruction of the houses and city structures. The deaths of innocent civilians – many of ...
    Open ParachuteBy Ken
    1 day ago

  • Babies and benefits – no good news
    Lindsay Mitchell writes – Ten years ago, I wrote the following in a Listener column: Every year around one in five new-born babies will be reliant on their caregivers benefit by Christmas. This pattern has persisted from at least 1993. For Maori the number jumps to over one in three.  ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    1 day ago

  • Should the RBNZ be looking through climate inflation?
    Climate change is expected to generate more and more extreme events, delivering a sort of structural shock to inflation that central banks will have to react to as if they were short-term cyclical issues. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāMy pick of the six newsey things to know from Aotearoa’s ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours, as of 9:16 am on Thursday, April 18 are:Housing: Tauranga residents living in boats, vans RNZ Checkpoint Louise TernouthHousing: Waikato councillor says wastewater plant issues could hold up Sleepyhead building a massive company town Waikato Times Stephen ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the public sector carnage, and misogyny as terrorism
    It’s a simple deal. We pay taxes in order to finance the social services we want and need. The carnage now occurring across the public sector though, is breaking that contract. Over 3,000 jobs have been lost so far. Many are in crucial areas like Education where the impact of ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    1 day ago

  • Meeting the Master Baiters
    Hi,A friend had their 40th over the weekend and decided to theme it after Curb Your Enthusiasm fashion icon Susie Greene. Captured in my tiny kitchen before I left the house, I ending up evoking a mix of old lesbian and Hillary Clinton — both unintentional.Me vs Hillary ClintonIf you’re ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    1 day ago

  • How extreme was the Earth's temperature in 2023
    This is a re-post from Andrew Dessler at the Climate Brink blog In 2023, the Earth reached temperature levels unprecedented in modern times. Given that, it’s reasonable to ask: What’s going on? There’s been lots of discussions by scientists about whether this is just the normal progression of global warming or if something ...
    Skeptical Science
    1 day ago

  • Backbone, revisited
    The schools are on holiday and the sun is shining in the seaside village and all day long I have been seeing bunches of bikes; Mums, Dads, teens and toddlers chattering, laughing, happy, having a bloody great time together. Cheers, AT, for the bits of lane you’ve added lately around the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • Ministers are not above the law
    Today in our National-led authoritarian nightmare: Shane Jones thinks Ministers should be above the law: New Zealand First MP Shane Jones is accusing the Waitangi Tribunal of over-stepping its mandate by subpoenaing a minister for its urgent hearing on the Oranga Tamariki claim. The tribunal is looking into the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago

  • What’s the outfit you can hear going down the gurgler? Probably it’s David Parker’s Oceans Sec...
    Buzz from the Beehive Point  of Order first heard of the Oceans Secretariat in June 2021, when David Parker (remember him?) announced a multi-agency approach to protecting New Zealand’s marine ecosystems and fisheries. Parker (holding the Environment, and Oceans and Fisheries portfolios) broke the news at the annual Forest & ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Bryce Edwards writes  – Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • Matt Doocey doubles down on trans “healthcare”
    Citizen Science writes –  Last week saw two significant developments in the debate over the treatment of trans-identifying children and young people – the release in Britain of the final report of Dr Hilary Cass’s review into gender healthcare, and here in New Zealand, the news that the ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • A TikTok Prime Minister.
    One night while sleeping in my bed I had a beautiful dreamThat all the people of the world got together on the same wavelengthAnd began helping one anotherNow in this dream, universal love was the theme of the dayPeace and understanding and it happened this wayAfter such an eventful day ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago

  • Texas Lessons
    This is a guest post by Oscar Simms who is a housing activist, volunteer for the Coalition for More Homes, and was the Labour Party candidate for Auckland Central at the last election. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    2 days ago

  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours as of 6:06 am on Wednesday, April 17 are:Must read: Secrecy shrouds which projects might be fast-tracked RNZ Farah HancockScoop: Revealed: Luxon has seven staffers working on social media content - partly paid for by taxpayer Newshub ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    2 days ago

  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • Apposite Quotations.
    How Long Is Long Enough? Gaza under Israeli bombardment, July 2014. This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    Bowalley Road
    3 days ago

  • What’s a life worth now?
    You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Howling at the Moon
    Karl du Fresne writes –  There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Newshub is Dead.
    I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
    Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago

  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 days ago

  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
    David Farrar  writes –  The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
    PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time. A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
    We are in the middle of a climate crisis. Last year was (again) the hottest year on record. NOAA has just announced another global coral bleaching event. Floods are threatening UK food security. So naturally, Shane Jones wants to make it easier to mine coal: Resources Minister Shane Jones ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
    Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
    Yesterday it was revealed that Transport Minister had asked Waka Kotahi to look at the options for a long tunnel through Wellington. State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    3 days ago

  • Smoke And Mirrors.
    You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections The June general election in Mexico could mark a turning point in ensuring that the country’s climate policies better reflect the desire of its citizens to address the climate crisis, with both leading presidential candidates expressing support for renewable energy. Mexico is the ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
    Buzz from the Beehive A pet project and governmental tunnel vision jump out from the latest batch of ministerial announcements. The government is keen to assure us of its concern for the wellbeing of our pets. It will be introducing pet bonds in a change to the Residential Tenancies Act ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
    Remember the good old days, back when New Zealand had a PM who could think and speak calmly and intelligently in whole sentences without blustering? Even while Iran’s drones and missiles were still being launched, Helen Clark was live on TVNZ expertly summing up the latest crisis in the Middle ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    4 days ago

  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
    Costello did not pass on analysis of the benefits of the smokefree reforms to Cabinet, emphasising instead the extra tax revenues of repealing them. Photo: Hagen Hopkins, Getty Images TL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me at 7:26 am today are:The Lead: Casey Costello never passed on ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • True Blue.
    True loveYou're the one I'm dreaming ofYour heart fits me like a gloveAnd I'm gonna be true blueBaby, I love youI’ve written about the job cuts in our news media last week. The impact on individuals, and the loss to Aotearoa of voices covering our news from different angles.That by ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago

  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #15
    A listing of 31 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, April 7, 2024 thru Sat, April 13, 2024. Story of the week Our story of the week is about adults in the room setting terms and conditions of ...
    Skeptical Science
    5 days ago

  • Feline Friends and Fragile Fauna The Complexities of Cats in New Zealand’s Conservation Efforts

    Cats, with their independent spirit and beguiling purrs, have captured the hearts of humans for millennia. In New Zealand, felines are no exception, boasting the highest national cat ownership rate globally [definition cat nz cat foundation]. An estimated 1.134 million pet cats grace Kiwi households, compared to 683,000 dogs ...

    Gareth’s WorldBy admin
    5 days ago

  • Or is that just they want us to think?
    Nice guy, that Peter Williams. Amiable, a calm air of no-nonsense capability, a winning smile. Everything you look for in a TV presenter and newsreader.I used to see him sometimes when I went to TVNZ to be a talking head or a panellist and we would yarn. Nice guy, that ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • Fact Brief – Did global warming stop in 1998?
    Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by Sue Bin Park in collaboration with members from our Skeptical Science team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Did global warming stop in ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Arguing over a moot point.
    I have been following recent debates in the corporate and social media about whether it is a good idea for NZ to join what is known as “AUKUS Pillar Two.” AUKUS is the Australian-UK-US nuclear submarine building agreement in which … Continue reading → ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago

  • No Longer Trusted: Ageing Boomers, Laurie & Les, Talk Politics.
    Turning Point: “What has turned me away from the mainstream news media is the very strong message that its been sending out for the last few years.” “And what message might that be?” “That the people who own it, the people who run it, and the people who provide its content, really don’t ...
    Bowalley Road
    6 days ago

  • Mortgage rates at 10% anyone?
    No – nothing about that in PM Luxon’s nine-point plan to improve the lives of New Zealanders. But beyond our shores Jamie Dimon, the long-serving head of global bank J.P. Morgan Chase, reckons that the chances of a goldilocks soft landing for the economy are “a lot lower” than the ...
    Point of OrderBy xtrdnry
    6 days ago

  • Sad tales from the left
    Michael Bassett writes –  Have you noticed the odd way in which the media are handling the government’s crackdown on surplus employees in the Public Service? Very few reporters mention the crazy way in which State Service numbers rocketed ahead by more than 16,000 during Labour’s six years, ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    6 days ago

  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 hours ago

  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    13 hours ago

  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago

  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago

  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    22 hours ago

  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago

  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago

  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago

  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
    The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
    Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago

  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.   Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ ties
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong.  During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Antarctica New Zealand Board appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner.  The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Finance Minister travels to Washington DC
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.  “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Pet bonds a win/win for renters and landlords
    The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • Long Tunnel for SH1 Wellington being considered
    State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago

  • New Zealand condemns Iranian strikes
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel.    “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says.    "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago

  • Huge interest in Government’s infrastructure plans
    Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • Health Minister thanks outgoing Health New Zealand Chair
    Health Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board.   “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti.  “I have asked her to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • Roads of National Significance planning underway
    The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • Navigating an unstable global environment
    New Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States.    “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago

  • NZ welcomes Australian Governor-General
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