Question no 11 for Paula Bennett , Minister for Social Housing. Her microphone was inactive so you can’t hear her on the video but the reaction from the Oppo. starts at the beginning of question 11 by Poto Williams.
..of a Perth woman allegedly abusing her African neighbours…
What’s with the fucking ‘allegedly’!? Were the neighbours, perhaps, not African? Is that the reason for the equivocation in the reporting? I mean, the video clearly show abuse being hurled.
edit – same ‘allegedly’ bullshit on TV3 newsclip. Is there a mental condition that prevents news-readers from stating the fucking obvious?
So… abuse cannot exist until and unless a court of law judges it has occurred? Nah. Abuse is abuse and sure, some abuse may also have legal consequences. That doesn’t prevent a spade being called a spade.
there was a reply to Weka that went something like….This fearful best be safe and couch everything as potential nothing (spit) ‘caution’ is fucking sickening.
But that’s not the question – whether the abuse exists – it’s whether the woman charged committed the offence. If the sentence focused only on the abuse, the alleged wording could be omitted.
Alleged can also be avoided by quoting police, although that can sound clumsy too.
It might seem silly to you but it’s a convention that exists for good reason.
But they didn’t mention it in connection to an offence. If they had – to the effect that that an alleged offence had occurred – then sure, I accept they’d have to use the word ‘alleged’. But they didn’t. The report mentioned alleged abuse, not an alleged offence.
What do you mean they didn’t mention it in connection to an offence? The woman has been charged in respect of the incident.
Media cannot say people have engaged in this or that type of behaviour just as long as they leave out reference to the word offence.
Ergo. You watched the video, yes? And in the video a woman was hurling verbal abuse at others, yes? What the fuck you going you call it if you ain’t going to call it abuse?
Meanwhile, the same report (about 10 secs in) states as fact (no ‘allegedly’ or any of the rest of it) that it “ended in violence and a date in court”.
Now, how does this work that the racial abuse, that is clear for all and sundry to see and hear on the vid, is reported as ‘alleged’ while the violence is reported as cast in stone fact?
I have already said that if dealing with what happened (i.e abuse, violence), rather than who caused it, the word alleged can be omitted.
No it’s not perfect, but it’s a way of reporting events that will come before a court.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
Channel 9 did an altogether better piece of reporting on it, which I’m picking to be worth linking to.
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A 51 year old woman is facing race hate charges after an angry neighbourhood battle. The woman blasted her neighbours in an ugly clash in front of a camera. She says she has no reason to say sorry.
You are no doubt correct ER but sometimes it can be taken to absurd lengths – like in this clip. The worst of the foul language was beeped out, and she was brandishing a crow bar which she was clearly going to use if they hadn’t managed to wrest it off her. That’s blatant abuse with associated violent intention. So, I agree with Bill. Call it what it is and be done with it.
Looks like a sunny and warm weekend coming up. At this rate the weather stays warm, the shops selling winter gear will be looking at accummulating more stock!
I just got an email out from Kauri Sitter Michael Tavares. I’ll post the whole thing below (sorry, I don’t know if it’s online somewhere to link to), but basically he’s saying that he’s met with a number of MPs this week who have committed to listening to stories from people around the country about battles over saving trees and other community issues.
26,000 NZers signed the #saveourkauri petition. Tavares is hoping this is going to spark work on protecting the RMA so that it’s easier to protect the environment.
He’s also asking people to email in their stories and pictures of their trees, what they mean to people and the community they exist in. I’m not sure if it’s ok to post his email address here so will try and find somewhere online.
Since I climbed down from that beautiful old Kauri tree in Titirangi three weeks ago, I have been inundated with messages from across the country. Wonderful messages of support and thanks, but also messages telling stories of other trees, in other communities, that are also threatened. Stories from communities all around the Motu that are fighting a broken system, a system that has taken away our voice and our right to protect our environment.
Today I had a chance to share some of these stories.
This afternoon I met with MPs from across Parliament who are supportive of our cause. They have pledged to visit meet with these groups from all over New Zealand who are all fighting the same fight as us to #SaveOurKauri.
These MPs have committed to hearing the stories of our trees and the voices of our communities.
Hopefully they will now also commit to restoring the original intent of the Resource Management Act, which has been watered down by successive government reforms. The RMA was intended to promote the sustainable management of natural and physical resources. Changes already made to the Act already have made it easier for it to be used as a tool to exploit and destroy national treasures.
When 26 thousand New Zealanders signed the petition to #SaveOurKauri we called attention to an often silenced issue.
We made the Government stop and listen.
Now that we have their ears, we will flood them with stories of our beautiful native trees. We know that we aren’t the only group who have had to fight tooth and nail to save what’s precious to us. There are so many stories out there.
We want to hear your stories. We want to make them heard.
Please email us with stories and pictures of your trees. Your story can be long or short, it can be about a single tree or your whole community, it can be a poem, it could be a picture. Share what your local trees mean to you, how they have shaped your community or how you’ve had to fight or are fighting to protect them!
Please reply to this email address with your story. We hope to share these as far and wide as possible, to show that this is a major issue in Aotearoa New Zealand, to reclaim Community Voices and to ensure our trees protection can be guaranteed for future generations.
I met Michael. He is a really nice guy and very intelligent. I hope the Greens think about putting him in Parliament because the world needs more passionate young people in power.
Do you think it’s ok to put the email address here? Tavares has his own email address on his website, but it’s not the one asking for people’s stories.
A good 8 or 9 very mature macracarpas felled around the corner by the lines company. I’m sure they could have pruned them instead of felling them.
And for the 20km or so into town, trees regularly felled and chipped – not even taken as firewood to be given away – for supposed safety reasons. The fact that the steep bank, that has houses on top and a road beneath, has much less holding it up and back is not, apparently, a safety issue.
50m of very broad hedgerow that gave wind shelter to farm animals and provided a habitat for however many wild creatures – gone in an afternoon of zealous digger activity for no apparent reason at all.
I have always understood that “very mature macracarpas ” as you describe them have a relatively short life span after which they are quite likely to fall without warning.
A golf club I belonged to had to remove quite a lot of very large trees because they were becoming increasingly dangerous. Some of them had started to fall on the course without any apparent warning signs and an arborist said that a large percentage of them had reached the very unsafe stage.
These trees have recently been causing problems in the Wellington area, as the example referenced below illustrates. http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/66644544/Cancellations-after-Wellington-train-hits-tree
That’s mismanagement then. Everyone knows trees don’t live forever, so the solution is to manage the trees we have alongside planting new ones. It’s not rocketscience.
People that came before us knew to plant trees, how come we don’t?
Takaka Valley dairy farmers are cutting down totara trees to make way for cows.
Totara expert and Tasman Environment Trust (TET) chairman Dr Philip Simpson said trees up to 100 years old had been felled on three or four Takaka Valley dairy farms over recent years to make way for irrigators and bigger herds.
The latest felling, last month, saw hundreds of trees, a half-hectare block of mainly totara, toppled and pushed into heaps for burning, he said.
My only slight worry about the michael email above is that I hope we don’t just focus on megaflora – the big old trees (which absolutely must be saved every time) and not also stop the multiple felling of younger smaller trees. It is easy to save the whales (relatively) but harder to save snot-nosed spiders if you know what I mean.
I would imagine farmers are on the wrong side of the tree ledger but there is still time for them to help save the world by planting trees. Be good if they all said, “we’ll take 10% of our farm today and dedicate it to non-cutdownable tree planting. I’d be happy for it to be a mixture of endemic, fruit, nut and other trees as long as they were sustainably useful.. This project could be government funded thus providing some jobs where they are needed, plus work for PD workers, income for educators, seedling growers, manure or compost makers, horse shitpickerupers, wormfarmers, sustainability experts and so on. The 10% could be all around the farm and thus provide shelter for animals, windbreaks, erosion control and so on. Local children could be invited on to plant and maybe even a tree-planting festival each year to bring the community together. THAT is what the farmers should do imo instead of letting the rivers and land deplete and go to ruin. Not much time for farmers to get on the goodperson side of the equation – if they don’t start doing it now they’ll be grouped with bankers and advertising execs when the revolution comes 🙂
We just need to establish an economic incentive for them to profit by doing the right thing. An ETS where the carbon price was realistic would do it. Then they could profit while the world’s environment survived …
The government needs to lead this and fund it – I don’t agree that providing a profit motive for farmers is the way to go – that is how we have got this terrible worldwide problem, that is one of the major causes of it. No! The days of creating private profit from the ‘commons’ has to end and end yesterday. But sure I’d support a 3 year transition phase 🙂
I just wanted to balance the negative a bit if you ever get a chance drive through the king country in soom paddocks you can’t see the woolies for the trees. The council provides many popular s to farmers each year. ( not sure if they charge)
It’s a proven fact that stock grow better if they have shelter .
As for the fools clearing there trees there grubby little fools.
I’ve just read an article on coppicing poplars for stock food in droughts. These farmers have seen that trees have more value than simple aesthetics, shelter or fire wood even.
@ marty mars
Have you followeed the work that Dick Roberts did in Nelson region on how to plant ranges of trees of all types, after doing a survey of the controus of the land.? Even frosty places can manage sub=tropical trees if grown on the sheltered north side of a hill.
My Uncle farmed in the King Country and worked closely with local iwi on regenerating native bush on his land. his son began a nursery on the farm to propagate. When he died at the age of 88 he was buried in a cardboard coffin and asked everyone to go to where they live and plant a tree. he also fought in WWII.
My most favourite Uncle and human being of all time. I still miss him.
“Democracy v Psychology: why people keep electing idiots”
Logically, you’d want an intelligent person who understands the best approach and methods for running a country in the best possible way. But no, people seem drawn to demonstrations of questionable intellectual abilities. There are a wide variety of ideological, cultural, social, historical, financial and other factors involved, because politics incorporates all of these things, but there are also some known psychological processes that may contribute to this phenomenon.
The morning after. Good Friday.
That was pretty good last night as a first go.
I was attracted to contributing on a fresh post when it was early evening.
Enjoyed reading the comments, e.g. Bill’s, and the exchanges, e.g. Anne and mickysavage. Nice also to see others around!
Rangers FC have today announced delisting from the stock market.
This second version is destined for liquidation and that cannot come too soon.
They are a sectarian hate filled club that has no place in modern civilised society.
The de-listing won’t change anything, fisiani, apart from the ability to publicly trade shares. Years of financial mismanagement and dodgy leadership at board level have knackered the club. It would be terrific if the Scottish FA simply assumed effective ownership of the name Rangers FC and sponsored the setting up of fan owned entity on the German model.
Re: the sectarianism, one of the interesting aspects of the situation is that fan groups at Celtic are reasonably sympathetic to the plight of Rangers fans. It’s not them that have bought the club down and what has happened at Rangers could easily happen to any club in Scotland (or England for that matter). And even an auld bhoy like me can work out that the SPL is a better competition with Rangers in it.
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New Zealand’s good work at reducing climate emissions for three years in a row will be undone by the National government’s lack of ambition and scrapping programmes that were making a difference, Labour Party climate spokesperson Megan Woods said today. ...
More essential jobs could be on the chopping block, this time Ministry of Education staff on the school lunches team are set to find out whether they're in line to lose their jobs. ...
The Government is trying to bring in a law that will allow Ministers to cut corners and kill off native species, Labour environment spokesperson Rachel Brooking said. ...
Cancelling urgently needed new Cook Strait ferries and hiking the cost of public transport for many Kiwis so that National can announce the prospect of another tunnel for Wellington is not making good choices, Labour Transport Spokesperson Tangi Utikere said. ...
A laundry list of additional costs for Tāmaki Makarau Auckland shows the Minister for the city is not delivering for the people who live there, says Labour Auckland Issues spokesperson Shanan Halbert. ...
The Green Party has today launched a step-by-step guide to help New Zealanders make their voice heard on the Government’s democracy dodging and anti-environment fast track legislation. ...
The National Government’s proposed changes to the Residential Tenancies Act will mean tenants can be turfed from their homes by landlords with little notice, Labour housing spokesperson Kieran McAnulty said. ...
Green Party co-leader Marama Davidson is calling on all parties to support a common-sense change that’s great for the planet and great for consumers after her member’s bill was drawn from the ballot today. ...
A significant milestone has been reached in the fight to strike an anti-Pasifika and unfair law from the country’s books after Teanau Tuiono’s members’ bill passed its first reading. ...
New Zealand has today missed the opportunity to uphold the right to a clean, healthy, and sustainable environment, says James Shaw after his member’s bill was voted down in its first reading. ...
Today’s advice from the Climate Change Commission paints a sobering reality of the challenge we face in combating climate change, especially in light of recent Government policy announcements. ...
Minister for Disability Issues Penny Simmonds appears to have delayed a report back to Cabinet on the progress New Zealand is making against international obligations for disabled New Zealanders. ...
The Government’s newly announced review of methane emissions reduction targets hints at its desire to delay Aotearoa New Zealand’s urgent transition to a climate safe future, the Green Party said. ...
The Government must commit to the Maitai School building project for students with high and complex needs, to ensure disabled students from the top of the South Island have somewhere to learn. ...
Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey and his Government colleagues have made a meal of their mental health commitments, showing how flimsy their efforts to champion the issue truly are, says Labour Mental Health spokesperson Ingrid Leary. ...
Paul Goldsmith will take on responsibility for the Media and Communications portfolio, while Louise Upston will pick up the Disability Issues portfolio, Prime Minister Christopher Luxon announced today. “Our Government is relentlessly focused on getting New Zealand back on track. As issues change in prominence, I plan to adjust Ministerial ...
Recreational catch limits will be reduced in areas of Fiordland and the Chatham Islands to help keep those fisheries healthy and sustainable, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones says. The lower recreational daily catch limits for a range of finfish and shellfish species caught in the Fiordland Marine Area and ...
Energy Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed an important milestone in New Zealand’s hydrogen future, with the opening of the country’s first network of hydrogen refuelling stations in Wiri. “I want to congratulate the team at Hiringa Energy and its partners K one W one (K1W1), Mitsui & Co New Zealand ...
The coalition Government is delivering on its commitment to improve resource management laws and give greater certainty to consent applicants, with a Bill to amend the Resource Management Act (RMA) expected to be introduced to Parliament next month. RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop has today outlined the first RMA Amendment ...
Overseas models for regulating the oil and gas sector, including their decommissioning regimes, are being carefully scrutinised as a potential template for New Zealand’s own sector, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. The Coalition Government is focused on rebuilding investor confidence in New Zealand’s energy sector as it looks to strengthen ...
Emergency Management and Recovery Minister Mark Mitchell has today released the Report of the Government Inquiry into the response to the North Island Severe Weather Events. “The report shows that New Zealand’s emergency management system is not fit-for-purpose and there are some significant gaps we need to address,” Mr Mitchell ...
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is today travelling to Europe where he’ll update the United Nations Human Rights Council on the Government’s work to restore law and order. “Attending the Universal Periodic Review in Geneva provides us with an opportunity to present New Zealand’s human rights progress, priorities, and challenges, while ...
Associate Agriculture Minister, Mark Patterson, formally reopened the world’s largest wool processing facility today in Awatoto, Napier, following a $50 million rebuild and refurbishment project. “The reopening of this facility will significantly lift the economic opportunities available to New Zealand’s wool sector, which already accounts for 20 per cent of ...
Hon Andrew Bayly, Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing At the Southland Otago Regional Engineering Collective (SOREC) Summit, 18 April, Dunedin Ngā mihi nui, Ko Andrew Bayly aho, Ko Whanganui aho Good Afternoon and thank you for inviting me to open your summit today. I am delighted ...
The Government is delivering on its commitment to bring back the Three Strikes legislation, Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee announced today. “Our Government is committed to restoring law and order and enforcing appropriate consequences on criminals. We are making it clear that repeat serious violent or sexual offending is not ...
Foreign Minister Winston Peters has today announced four new diplomatic appointments for New Zealand’s overseas missions. “Our diplomats have a vital role in maintaining and protecting New Zealand’s interests around the world,” Mr Peters says. “I am pleased to announce the appointment of these senior diplomats from the ...
New Zealand is contributing NZ$7 million to support communities affected by severe food insecurity and other urgent humanitarian needs in Ethiopia and Somalia, Foreign Minister Rt Hon Winston Peters announced today. “Over 21 million people are in need of humanitarian assistance across Ethiopia, with a further 6.9 million people ...
Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Paul Goldsmith is congratulating Mataaho Collective for winning the Golden Lion for best participant in the main exhibition at the Venice Biennale. "Congratulations to the Mataaho Collective for winning one of the world's most prestigious art prizes at the Venice Biennale. “It is good ...
The Government is reforming financial services to improve access to home loans and other lending, and strengthen customer protections, Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Andrew Bayly and Housing Minister Chris Bishop announced today. “Our coalition Government is committed to rebuilding the economy and making life simpler by cutting red tape. We are ...
“China remains a strong commercial opportunity for Kiwi exporters as Chinese businesses and consumers continue to value our high-quality safe produce,” Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay says. Mr McClay has returned to New Zealand following visits to Beijing, Harbin and Shanghai where he met ministers, governors and mayors and engaged in trade and agricultural events with the New ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has completed a successful trip to Singapore, Thailand and the Philippines, deepening relationships and capitalising on opportunities. Mr Luxon was accompanied by a business delegation and says the choice of countries represents the priority the New Zealand Government places on South East Asia, and our relationships in ...
New Zealand is demonstrating its commitment to reducing global greenhouse emissions, and supporting clean energy transition in South East Asia, through a contribution of NZ$41 million (US$25 million) in climate finance to the Asian Development Bank (ADB)-led Energy Transition Mechanism (ETM). Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Climate Change Minister Simon Watts announced ...
The Government is today releasing a list of organisations who received letters about the Fast-track applications process, says RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop. “Recently Ministers and agencies have received a series of OIA requests for a list of organisations to whom I wrote with information on applying to have a ...
Attorney-General Judith Collins today announced the appointment of Wellington Barrister David Jonathan Boldt as a Judge of the High Court, and the Honourable Justice Matthew Palmer as a Judge of the Court of Appeal. Justice Boldt graduated with an LLB from Victoria University of Wellington in 1990, and also holds ...
Education Minister Erica Stanford will lead the New Zealand delegation at the 2024 International Summit on the Teaching Profession (ISTP) held in Singapore. The delegation includes representatives from the Post Primary Teachers’ Association (PPTA) Te Wehengarua and the New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa. The summit is co-hosted ...
A stopbank upgrade project in Tairawhiti partly funded by the Government has increased flood resilience for around 7000ha of residential and horticultural land so far, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones today attended a dawn service in Gisborne to mark the end of the first stage of the ...
Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul. “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr. The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners. “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector. "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Tracey Holmes, Professorial Fellow in Sport, University of Canberra When the news broke last weekend that 23 Chinese swimmers had tested positive to a banned drug in early 2021 and were allowed to compete at the Tokyo Olympic Games six months later ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Cally Jetta, Senior Lecturer and Academic Lead; College for First Nations, University of Southern Queensland Australian War MemorialAboriginal and Torres Strait Islander readers are advised this article contains names and images of deceased people, as well as sensitive historical information ...
RNZ News Melissa Lee has been ousted from New Zealand’s coalition cabinet and stripped of the Media portfolio, and Penny Simmonds has lost the Disability Issues portfolio in a reshuffle. Climate Change and Revenue Minister Simon Watts will take Lee’s spot in cabinet. Simmonds was a minister outside of cabinet. ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By David Lindenmayer, Professor, Fenner School of Environment and Society, Australian National University laurello/Shutterstock Some reports and popular books, such as Bill Gammage’s Biggest Estate on Earth, have argued that extensive areas of Australia’s forests were kept open through frequent burning by ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Michelle Grattan, Professorial Fellow, University of Canberra With Jim Chalmers’s third budget on May 14, Australians will be looking for some more cost-of-living relief – beyond the tax cuts – although they have been warned extra measures will be modest. As ...
Analysis: Melissa Lee has lost the media portfolio and her spot in Cabinet after multiple failed attempts to find solutions for a media industry in crisis. On Wednesday, the Prime Minister announced Lee would be losing her spot in Cabinet along with her media and communications ministerial portfolio. The job ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Simon Wilmot, Senior Lecturer, Film, Deakin University Among the many Australian who served during the second world war, there is a small group of people whose stories remain largely untold. These are the Muslim men and women who, while small in number, ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kelly Saunders, PhD Candidate, University of Canberra There has been much analysis and praise of Justice Michael Lee’s recent judgement in Bruce Lehrmann’s defamation case against Channel Ten. Many people were openly relieved to read Lee’s “forensic” and “nuanced” application of law ...
Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Kathy Gibbs, Program Director for the Bachelor of Education, Griffith University zEdward_Indy/Shutterstock Around one in 20 people has attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). It’s one of the most common neurodevelopmental disorders in childhood and often continues into adulthood. ADHD is diagnosed ...
The Fairer Future coalition of anti-poverty groups say Whaikaha must be properly funded going forward, and that to argue that poor financial management of the new Ministry is a red herring by the Prime Minister. ...
The Taxpayers’ Union is today congratulating Hon. Paul Goldsmith on his appointment as Minister for Media and Communications and urges him to rule out state intervention in the private media sector. ...
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Welcome to The Spinoff Books Confessional, in which we get to know the reading habits and quirks of New Zealanders at large. This week: writer and one of Time Magazine’s 100 most influential people of 2024, Lauren Groff.The book I wish I’d writtenIf I wish I’d written a ...
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“Three Strikes is a dead-end policy proposed by a dead-end government. The Three Strikes law ignores the causes of crime, instead just brutalising people already crushed by the cost of living.” ...
By Don Wiseman, RNZ Pacific senior journalist An Australian-born judge in Kiribati could well face deportation later this week after a tribunal ruling that he should be removed from his post. The tribunal’s report has just been tabled in the Kiribati Parliament and is due to be debated by MPs ...
With its clear mandate for police use, political nuances, and nuanced public trust, Denmark's insights provide valuable considerations for Australia and New Zealand. ...
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Source: The Conversation (Au and NZ) – By Ruth Knight, Researcher, Queensland University of Technology Have you ever felt sick at work? Perhaps you had food poisoning or the flu. Your belly hurt, or you felt tired, making it hard to concentrate and be productive. How likely would you be ...
Despite heavy criticism and an ongoing select committee process, the Police Minister says the Government will forge ahead with a ban on gang patches. ...
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A leaked document shows the Canterbury/Waitaha arm of health agency Te Whatu Ora is scurrying to save $13.3 million by July. The “financial sustainability target”, which was “allocated” to Waitaha, is consistent with what’s happening in other districts, says Sarah Dalton, executive director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists. ...
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How would it work? Well, it is the Thursday before Good Friday. Did the government do a pre-long weekend dump?
Slump in dairy price. Winston points out poor economic management and planning.
http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ckpt/ckpt-20150402-1719-govt_says_world_awash_with_milk-048.mp3
Probably not the best day to try it. I thought week days only and we should avoid holidays.
Today was an interesting day tho. Chris Hipkins tweeted that Paula Bennett attacked Carmel Sepuloni in the house and referred to her mum. If true …
Paula Bennett is a spiteful and vengeful bitch. Carmel is her superior in every possible way. I’m going to see if I can find it.
I had a look but the video is not clear. Chris Hipkins was pretty certain about it though …
https://twitter.com/chrishipkins/status/583449182716858368
Question no 11 for Paula Bennett , Minister for Social Housing. Her microphone was inactive so you can’t hear her on the video but the reaction from the Oppo. starts at the beginning of question 11 by Poto Williams.
http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/36555
Why did someone not raise a point of order and force Bennett to “withdraw and apologise”?
edit; the twitter responses are interesting.
Always worth giving it a go. Let’s see what this evening brings 🙂
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/26890747/family-target-of-alleged-racist-rant/
Still a few Neanderthals around – a woman this time.
That was on 3news tonight. It was awful.
From the vid in the link provided….
What’s with the fucking ‘allegedly’!? Were the neighbours, perhaps, not African? Is that the reason for the equivocation in the reporting? I mean, the video clearly show abuse being hurled.
edit – same ‘allegedly’ bullshit on TV3 newsclip. Is there a mental condition that prevents news-readers from stating the fucking obvious?
Needs to be found guilty by a court first else they can get a defamation suit thrown at them.
So… abuse cannot exist until and unless a court of law judges it has occurred? Nah. Abuse is abuse and sure, some abuse may also have legal consequences. That doesn’t prevent a spade being called a spade.
there was a reply to Weka that went something like….This fearful best be safe and couch everything as potential nothing (spit) ‘caution’ is fucking sickening.
but weka’s comment has disappeared…
sorry. It was pretty much what Draco said, so I deleted it. My bad.
tsk-tsk 😉
But that’s not the question – whether the abuse exists – it’s whether the woman charged committed the offence. If the sentence focused only on the abuse, the alleged wording could be omitted.
Alleged can also be avoided by quoting police, although that can sound clumsy too.
It might seem silly to you but it’s a convention that exists for good reason.
But they didn’t mention it in connection to an offence. If they had – to the effect that that an alleged offence had occurred – then sure, I accept they’d have to use the word ‘alleged’. But they didn’t. The report mentioned alleged abuse, not an alleged offence.
What do you mean they didn’t mention it in connection to an offence? The woman has been charged in respect of the incident.
Media cannot say people have engaged in this or that type of behaviour just as long as they leave out reference to the word offence.
Ergo. You watched the video, yes? And in the video a woman was hurling verbal abuse at others, yes? What the fuck you going you call it if you ain’t going to call it abuse?
Meanwhile, the same report (about 10 secs in) states as fact (no ‘allegedly’ or any of the rest of it) that it “ended in violence and a date in court”.
Now, how does this work that the racial abuse, that is clear for all and sundry to see and hear on the vid, is reported as ‘alleged’ while the violence is reported as cast in stone fact?
I have already said that if dealing with what happened (i.e abuse, violence), rather than who caused it, the word alleged can be omitted.
No it’s not perfect, but it’s a way of reporting events that will come before a court.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
Ah – okay, got you now.
Channel 9 did an altogether better piece of reporting on it, which I’m picking to be worth linking to.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7DoOF91t84
You are no doubt correct ER but sometimes it can be taken to absurd lengths – like in this clip. The worst of the foul language was beeped out, and she was brandishing a crow bar which she was clearly going to use if they hadn’t managed to wrest it off her. That’s blatant abuse with associated violent intention. So, I agree with Bill. Call it what it is and be done with it.
Looks like a sunny and warm weekend coming up. At this rate the weather stays warm, the shops selling winter gear will be looking at accummulating more stock!
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/you-re-in-surprise-weather-treat-weekend-6276318
(I wasn’t counting on doing the evening shift on The Standard but hey …)
I just got an email out from Kauri Sitter Michael Tavares. I’ll post the whole thing below (sorry, I don’t know if it’s online somewhere to link to), but basically he’s saying that he’s met with a number of MPs this week who have committed to listening to stories from people around the country about battles over saving trees and other community issues.
26,000 NZers signed the #saveourkauri petition. Tavares is hoping this is going to spark work on protecting the RMA so that it’s easier to protect the environment.
He’s also asking people to email in their stories and pictures of their trees, what they mean to people and the community they exist in. I’m not sure if it’s ok to post his email address here so will try and find somewhere online.
Bet me to it!
Here it is:
[Edit – Weka bet me to it!]
I met Michael. He is a really nice guy and very intelligent. I hope the Greens think about putting him in Parliament because the world needs more passionate young people in power.
Cheers micky.
Do you think it’s ok to put the email address here? Tavares has his own email address on his website, but it’s not the one asking for people’s stories.
Michael is not too shy so yep!
People can send stories and images about trees and the communities they live in to thewildernerd@hotmail.com
Press release about the MPs Tavares met with and the pledge they have taken
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ew-yYnOiumEsnIpgiII7IqOztPAqsFlKKb1RiLlI9zA/edit
And if you want a completely selfish reason for trying to save trees they may be our best chance of getting through climate change alive …
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/03/150330122352.htm
Ae, can’t believe how many trees we are still chopping down in NZ. It’s like people don’t make any connection.
A good 8 or 9 very mature macracarpas felled around the corner by the lines company. I’m sure they could have pruned them instead of felling them.
And for the 20km or so into town, trees regularly felled and chipped – not even taken as firewood to be given away – for supposed safety reasons. The fact that the steep bank, that has houses on top and a road beneath, has much less holding it up and back is not, apparently, a safety issue.
50m of very broad hedgerow that gave wind shelter to farm animals and provided a habitat for however many wild creatures – gone in an afternoon of zealous digger activity for no apparent reason at all.
I have always understood that “very mature macracarpas ” as you describe them have a relatively short life span after which they are quite likely to fall without warning.
A golf club I belonged to had to remove quite a lot of very large trees because they were becoming increasingly dangerous. Some of them had started to fall on the course without any apparent warning signs and an arborist said that a large percentage of them had reached the very unsafe stage.
These trees have recently been causing problems in the Wellington area, as the example referenced below illustrates.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/66644544/Cancellations-after-Wellington-train-hits-tree
That’s mismanagement then. Everyone knows trees don’t live forever, so the solution is to manage the trees we have alongside planting new ones. It’s not rocketscience.
People that came before us knew to plant trees, how come we don’t?
Even in paradise there are arseholes
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/67549460/Felling-of-totara-divides-community
My only slight worry about the michael email above is that I hope we don’t just focus on megaflora – the big old trees (which absolutely must be saved every time) and not also stop the multiple felling of younger smaller trees. It is easy to save the whales (relatively) but harder to save snot-nosed spiders if you know what I mean.
In the last two years I’ve seen 300+ trees on just two farms in the king country, sheep and beef farmer s doing good stuff
I would imagine farmers are on the wrong side of the tree ledger but there is still time for them to help save the world by planting trees. Be good if they all said, “we’ll take 10% of our farm today and dedicate it to non-cutdownable tree planting. I’d be happy for it to be a mixture of endemic, fruit, nut and other trees as long as they were sustainably useful.. This project could be government funded thus providing some jobs where they are needed, plus work for PD workers, income for educators, seedling growers, manure or compost makers, horse shitpickerupers, wormfarmers, sustainability experts and so on. The 10% could be all around the farm and thus provide shelter for animals, windbreaks, erosion control and so on. Local children could be invited on to plant and maybe even a tree-planting festival each year to bring the community together. THAT is what the farmers should do imo instead of letting the rivers and land deplete and go to ruin. Not much time for farmers to get on the goodperson side of the equation – if they don’t start doing it now they’ll be grouped with bankers and advertising execs when the revolution comes 🙂
+1 Marty
We just need to establish an economic incentive for them to profit by doing the right thing. An ETS where the carbon price was realistic would do it. Then they could profit while the world’s environment survived …
The government needs to lead this and fund it – I don’t agree that providing a profit motive for farmers is the way to go – that is how we have got this terrible worldwide problem, that is one of the major causes of it. No! The days of creating private profit from the ‘commons’ has to end and end yesterday. But sure I’d support a 3 year transition phase 🙂
I just wanted to balance the negative a bit if you ever get a chance drive through the king country in soom paddocks you can’t see the woolies for the trees. The council provides many popular s to farmers each year. ( not sure if they charge)
It’s a proven fact that stock grow better if they have shelter .
As for the fools clearing there trees there grubby little fools.
I know and I appreciate your comments and thoughts. I’m in GB and I’ve seen this cutting down for the irrigators and it breaks my heart.
I’ve just read an article on coppicing poplars for stock food in droughts. These farmers have seen that trees have more value than simple aesthetics, shelter or fire wood even.
http://www.nzffa.org.nz/farm-forestry-model/resource-centre/farm-forestry-association-leaflet-series/no-22-poplars-and-willows/
@ marty mars
Have you followeed the work that Dick Roberts did in Nelson region on how to plant ranges of trees of all types, after doing a survey of the controus of the land.? Even frosty places can manage sub=tropical trees if grown on the sheltered north side of a hill.
no but I’ll google it tomorrow – thanks grey – I’ve always liked the idea of being a johnny Appleseed type.
My Uncle farmed in the King Country and worked closely with local iwi on regenerating native bush on his land. his son began a nursery on the farm to propagate. When he died at the age of 88 he was buried in a cardboard coffin and asked everyone to go to where they live and plant a tree. he also fought in WWII.
My most favourite Uncle and human being of all time. I still miss him.
Btw, I do like the photo that accompanies this new post. Trying to figure out which author it is supposed to be. Is it TRP perchance? 😛
Nope he is not that pretty …
I dunno, I remember him enlightening us once about how good looking he is………..
And for the real night owls… 😉
“Democracy v Psychology: why people keep electing idiots”
http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2015/apr/02/democracy-psychology-idiots-election
John Keys popularity explained.
Of course, he was hand picked for his “oh shucks” qualities after Brash turned out to be unelectable.
I quite like this idea. Sometimes the other post is unmanageable by this time of night.
The morning after. Good Friday.
That was pretty good last night as a first go.
I was attracted to contributing on a fresh post when it was early evening.
Enjoyed reading the comments, e.g. Bill’s, and the exchanges, e.g. Anne and mickysavage. Nice also to see others around!
Rangers FC have today announced delisting from the stock market.
This second version is destined for liquidation and that cannot come too soon.
They are a sectarian hate filled club that has no place in modern civilised society.
The de-listing won’t change anything, fisiani, apart from the ability to publicly trade shares. Years of financial mismanagement and dodgy leadership at board level have knackered the club. It would be terrific if the Scottish FA simply assumed effective ownership of the name Rangers FC and sponsored the setting up of fan owned entity on the German model.
Re: the sectarianism, one of the interesting aspects of the situation is that fan groups at Celtic are reasonably sympathetic to the plight of Rangers fans. It’s not them that have bought the club down and what has happened at Rangers could easily happen to any club in Scotland (or England for that matter). And even an auld bhoy like me can work out that the SPL is a better competition with Rangers in it.
Sounds just like the National Party.
They are a sectarian hate filled party, that has no place in modern civilised society.