Dangerously lax attitude to spills in NZ

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1. vto 1

   14 June 2010 at 11:39 am

   Just like the water issue.

   This government has blinkers on which seem to be made of concrete. Matches their heads
2. zimmer 2

   14 June 2010 at 12:34 pm

   Oil is a naturally ocurring substance, where is the problem? What do oil spills & windmills have in commom? They both kill birds.

   Maybe nuclear is the answer. After all, it does not cause spills, kill birds and is easy to mine.
   • Bright Red 2.1

     14 June 2010 at 12:39 pm

     zimmer… are you seriously saying you don’t see the problem with an oil spill?

     Oil is natural, oil spills are not.

     And we’ve already had peak uranium… so don’t pin your hopes on that.
   • Bill 2.2

     14 June 2010 at 12:42 pm

     Chernobyl didn’t kill birds? And didn’t spill radiation into the surrounding environment and across western Europe? And was easily plugged?
3. zimmer 3

   14 June 2010 at 12:52 pm

   You zealots on this site would like us to live like hermits in caves so things like oil spills do not happen. But like the pigs in 1984 you will want to be more equal than others.

   Of course the oil spill is bad as well (low safeguards in place) as well as Chernoble (this was caused by recklessness more than anything else though) but I still want a good standard of living. So, yep, I am prepared to put up with a environmental disaster from time to time to keep this standard of living.
   Katrina was a natural disaster so these will still happen as well. We live with these do we not?
   • Bright Red 3.1

     14 June 2010 at 1:14 pm

     Chernoble? Is that an attempt to write Chernobyl?

     “but I still want a good standard of living. So, yep, I am prepared to put up with a environmental disaster from time to time to keep this standard of living.”

     But environmental disasters lower standards of living. Look at what is happening to the Gulf fishing and tourist economies. It’s always going to be better for your economy to spend a little to avoid a major disaster. No-one’s saying ‘let’s go live in caves’. we’re saying ‘lets work out how to avoid major disasters before doing dangerous things’.

     “Katrina was a natural disaster so these will still happen as well. We live with these do we not?”

     Yes. Natural disasters happen. That doesn’t make it logical to recklessly cause more disasters. Car crashes happen but doesn’t mean you would support cost cutting measures in road design that cause more crashes.
   • BenC 3.2

     14 June 2010 at 3:21 pm

     Zimmer, you should be careful to come on such a site and attack reasonable arguments with a horribly misinformed opinion. You’re entitled to whatever opinion you wish, however before stating it, you should attempt to understand it, so you don’t look like an idiot.

     Everyone should be concerned by what has happened. If anything like this happens in New Zealand, our country will be bankrupted. Guess what zimmer? This will affect you, directly. Just like if you were to be currently living in one of the States suffering from the Gulf spill (luckily for them they are part of the richest country in the world).

     When we get a short-term local economic drive and a mere 20% of the profit from our own resources, we shouldn’t be willing to take such huge risks.
   • freedom 3.3

     14 June 2010 at 3:29 pm

     zimmer
     I think you are a little confused. 1984 is a whole other book. I suspect you have read neither 1984 or Animal Farm, and i guarantee you never read The Lion and the Unicorn. All very important and relevant books to today’s society.

     and by the way, Katrina was a hurricane and was a completely natural event. It did not destroy a vital part of our global food chain as Deepwater is doing.
     • mcflock 3.3.1

       14 June 2010 at 4:50 pm

       a lot of pigs have flown under the bridge to make zimmer’s glass half full without a paddle…
4. ianmac 4

   14 June 2010 at 1:11 pm

   Just don’t let Halliburtons anywhere near us!
5. RedFred 5

   14 June 2010 at 2:39 pm

   I wrote something on NZ preparedness for Oil spills mid 90s, I spoke with various harbor masters around the country, it was unanimous we are not in any position to deal with any size spill
6. Zak Creedo 6

   14 June 2010 at 4:09 pm

   This problem you claim Gerry Brownlee was talking about..

   I’ve just had some stuff in from the wsj and it could be that..

   BP PLC has concluded that its “top-kill’ attempt to seal its broken well in the Gulf of Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.

   A problem for sure.. anthropogenic.. for sure… decidedly unnatural… for sure..

   To the point : was Gerry’s “problem” assertion on the money, and if so how might a sensible government official require failsafe deepwater drilling process/es off the NZ shelf..?
7. Zak Creedo 7

   14 June 2010 at 4:12 pm

   sorry if this repeats.. I don’t recall an anti-spam insertion..

   This problem you claim Gerry Brownlee was talking about..

   I’ve just had some stuff in from the wsj and it could be that..

   BP PLC has concluded that its “top-kill’ attempt to seal its broken well in the Gulf of Mexico may have failed due to a malfunctioning disk inside the well about 1,000 feet below the ocean floor.

   A problem for sure.. anthropogenic.. for sure… decidedly unnatural… for sure..

   To the point : was Gerry’s “problem” assertion on the money, and if so how might a sensible government official require failsafe deepwater drilling process/es off the NZ shelf..?
8. jcuknz 8

   14 June 2010 at 5:20 pm

   The only reason for going ahead with exploratory work is that hopefully an answer will be found as a result of the Gulf of Mexico catastrophy and if not then permission for exploratory/productive wells can be withheld. Since the area has not been explored the first step is exploding charges and listening to/recording the results, only if they are favourable does drilling go ahead. Instead of placing the overlay over Cook strait it might be better to place it over the Nick’s Head {??? no map handy} area and plot in the ocean currents which luckilly took that trimaran back to Auckland some years ago, though it could have ended up in the Pacific.
9. JJ 9

   14 June 2010 at 7:59 pm

   A one off event does not indicate a pattern, lets not forget that the risk of a spill is the same as it ever was (and that means low!). Deepwater Horizon was the deepest rig drilled in history at over 10kms. The area of the Raukumara basin being considered for drilling on the other hand has a maximum depth of 3kms. Quite a different situation.

   And regarding early posts with regard to Chernobyl, that was of course a huge disaster but the anti nuclear back lash was undeserved. Comparing Chernobyl to a Western designed, modern reactor is like comparing apples and oranges – dangerous, poorly designed apples to safe, well managed ones.
   • Daveosaurus 9.1

     14 June 2010 at 8:17 pm

     “dangerous, poorly designed apples to safe, well managed ones.”

     Like Three Mile Island, you mean?
     • Chris 9.1.1

       14 June 2010 at 8:40 pm

       Three mile island is not particularly modern and the accident concerning it was not particularly bad. In comparision to oil (spills!) and coal (carconogenic ash!) nuclear has a better safety record, causing fewer deaths and less enviornmental damage. Renewables are pretty damn safe but only part of the answer in the medium term.
10. RedLogix 10

    14 June 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Deepwater Horizon was the deepest rig drilled in history at over 10kms.

    Try checking your facts. The Mocando well is 5000ft at the seabed and 18000ft at the reservoir pressure zone. Nothing like 10km.

    Neither is it the deepest ever, the deepest might be this one.

    A one off event does not indicate a pattern, lets not forget that the risk of a spill is the same as it ever was (and that means low!).

    But of course that does not mean the consequences are minor either. The human brain has real trouble comprehending the game-changing nature of rare events that have catastrophic outcomes…we rather prefer to pretend they cannot happen.

    And while blow-outs in off-shore wells seem rare, bear in mind that Mocando is certainly NOT the first one, and won’t be the last. Spills, accidents and near-misses happen all the time, most of them we don’t hear about because they don’t happen in places where it inconveniences lots of white people.

    Moreover the vast majority of existing wells are in relatively shallow water, it’s only in the last few decades that we’ve been drilling in such expensive places. And with all the easy to access oil long gone, the risk exposure involved in drilling in deep oceans will only increase with time.
11. Zak Creedo 11

    14 June 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Calling JJ,

    Could we have the specific of reservoir depth at Raukumara please..?

    The 3 kms doesn’t sit well with earlier advices here of seabed blasting to determine ‘activity’ etc.. that is, blasting to be done because nothing is known about this basin’ stability, operability etc.

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