Davey’s dodgy polling

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1. Colonial Viper 1

   17 February 2011 at 11:09 am

   Great this is happening, although I would not have brought this additional attention in a post…I suppose its already out there though.
2. Steve 2

   17 February 2011 at 11:10 am

   Hey, don’t worry about it! As JK would say, “it’s just a survey” 😉
3. Richard 3

   17 February 2011 at 11:44 am

   You might have read in last weekend’s Dom (Tracy Watkins’ article, I think), that National internal polling allegedly shows people aren’t worried about asset sales…

   And this is the whole point of this polling exercise. The point is to create evidence that shows people are in favour of National polices, which is then duly reported by the media without analysis. And thereby marginal voters become convinced that perhaps the policies are OK — afterall, a lot of other people support the policies. At least that is the theory.

   The danger for DPF and National, is if they confuse poll results which are essentially manufactured propaganda with an accurate representation of what the electorate actually thinks.

   However, (unfortunately) I don’t think this is big danger. National might do a woeful job on things they don’t really care about. However, they do care about winning elections. I’m quite sure that they privately are well aware of what is propaganda and what is a real poll.
   • Rex Widerstrom 3.1

     17 February 2011 at 4:08 pm

     And thereby marginal voters become convinced that perhaps the policies are OK

     Precisely. Media coverage + positive polls = a tipping point, whereby a critical mass of people who harbour an idea but are unsure whether it’s acceptable to the majority, feel there’s enough support for it to put their hand up.

     Exactly what we aimed for, and achieved, with NZF in 1995 – from about 3% to almost 30% in 5 months, leaving Labour in our wake. Of course we had to rely on independent polling – we did none of our own and had to rely on our instincts to fine tune the message.

     Little wonder that National are dominating the polls if they have this sort of feedback loop established.
   • swordfish 3.2

     17 February 2011 at 10:12 pm

     I have to say I thought Farrar’s statistical analysis of the Mana By-Election last year was a little iffy. His figures bore no relation whatsoever to my (double-checked) statistics.

     He also used ambiguous terms like “net vote movement”, inferring that what was actually a 7.5 % swing was, in fact, a 15 % “net vote movement”. I had the feeling he would have been more than happy for any passing journalists to mistake “net vote movement” for “swing”.

     The poll I saw in the DomPost a few days ago suggested 47% Opposed to National’s proposed partial privatisation, 45% Supportive. (I think it was a Research New Zealand Poll).
     • Pascal's bookie 3.2.1

       17 February 2011 at 10:16 pm

       TV3’s Reid poll out tonight had 60 agin, 30 in favour:

       http://www.3news.co.nz/Poll-60pct-against-sale-of-state-owned-assets/tabid/419/articleID/198771/Default.aspx
       • swordfish 3.2.1.1

         17 February 2011 at 10:37 pm

         Sounds more like it !!! The 47/45 split was just a little too close for my liking.

         My understanding is that previous polls (in recent years) have suggested huge majorities opposed to privatisation.
4. M 4

   17 February 2011 at 11:49 am

   King Canute anyone?

   C’mon Labour and Greens, smack down these assertions with some plain unambiguous polls of your own and publish them so we can clear the decks of these wastrels.
   • Colonial Viper 4.1

     17 February 2011 at 11:58 am

     I doubt LAB have the excess funds to run useless polls at the same rate as NAT unfortunately.
     • joe bloggs 4.1.1

       17 February 2011 at 1:24 pm

       to paraphrase: “we’re skint, mate”…

       …so the rumours are true – LAB’s not just morally bankrupt but financially as well
5. joe bloggs 5

   17 February 2011 at 1:31 pm

   of course Tim Watkin is well known for his impartiality and can be relied on to provide an untarnished, uncoloured version of the events …. yeah, bullshit. His account is just another LAB-led Mills & Boone romance
   • bbfloyd 5.1

     17 February 2011 at 1:53 pm

     joe.. when reality comes crashing through that fantasy world you live in, try not to scream too loud.. you’ll wake the neighbours kids..
   • Bright Red 5.2

     17 February 2011 at 4:07 pm

     what part of the poll are you saying that Watkin made up, joe?
     • Pascal's bookie 5.2.1

       17 February 2011 at 4:13 pm

       The whole thing.

       There was no Poll. There is in fact, no dpf, and if there was he wouldn’t run a polling company for National, and if he did it wouldn’t be called curia.
       • Lanthanide 5.2.1.1

         17 February 2011 at 10:32 pm

         God I love your sense of humour.
6. randal 6

   17 February 2011 at 2:10 pm

   he just wants to be everbodys friend and for everyone to luuuurve him.
   see davy the fat boy on randy newmans twelve songs.
7. bbfloyd 7

   17 February 2011 at 2:24 pm

   people would like him more if he could do something about the sour smell.. wallowing in bile will cause that if one can’t moderate the habit.
8. Rex Widerstrom 8

   17 February 2011 at 4:03 pm

   Not which party would make us safer, or reduce crime or address the causes of crime. Which would be “toughest”. As if being tough on crime equated to being the best party to deal with crime.”

   Excuse me while I lie down. A journo who understands that it isn’t some simple graph, with “toughness” on one axis and “crime” on the other, with a neat line showing more of the former = less of the latter?!?!

   Did she (and I mean this as a genuine question, I don’t read that much MSM opinion) make an effort to explain this to the slavering rednecks when “three strikes” was being debated? Or when new prisons are being announced?

   Forgive my excitement, but journos tend to buy into the prevailing paradigms so utterly that for one not to argue against it, but to state the opposite in such a way as to suggest there is no debate, is astounding.
   • Pascal's bookie 8.1

     17 February 2011 at 4:09 pm

     I’m pretty sure I’ve heard Tim Watkin on Jim Mora’s panel show expressing his frustration about McVicar, the policy auction, the whole deal. He gets it Rex.
     • Rex Widerstrom 8.1.1

       17 February 2011 at 4:53 pm

       Thanks Pb, good to hear. Now how do we get him made News Director of TVNZ, or at least TV3 (a waste of talent I know, but given the primary source of news for so many is the idiot box, a neceessary sacrifice).

       And oops, in my excitement I got my Watkinses momentarily muddled. Sorry Tim.
       • Lanthanide 8.1.1.1

         17 February 2011 at 10:34 pm

         We’re all watkinses here! (it’s a family business)
         • Rex Widerstrom 8.1.1.1.1

           17 February 2011 at 10:49 pm

           Oh please, it’s hard enough living in Australia as it is, without everyone having the same last name as well!!
9. Drakula 9

   18 February 2011 at 9:18 pm

   Plus these companies only poll heavily in selected districts!!!!

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