Deranged Golriz Syndrome

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Her Royal majesty’s opposition’s pollster has shown a particularly obsessive streak this week.  He has posted no less than six posts in as many days about Golriz Ghahraman and has continued the theme that somehow she has been deceptive in not declaring that she defended as well as prosecuted war criminals even though she said it at various times to various reporters.

He recently claimed to have identified 15 different occasions where he says she has misled us.  There are a few problems with his analysis the biggest one being that most of the “occasions” were other people talking about Golriz.

One was in a Green Party newsletter, no doubt relying on the slightly inelegantly worded description of her on the Green’s website.

One was her wikipedia page.  But the original post appears to have been written by a user HenryCrun15 who is interested in politics in New Zealand.  Chances are he also used the Green’s website for the information.

Six are media references which make generalised references to her work.  No doubt they all accessed the original slightly inelegantly expressed CV on the Green Party website or maybe they were just referencing each other.  And there are a further five occasions including her own linked in page where reference to her defence work was made.

Three are statements by James Shaw in different speeches where Shaw says variations of “Golriz is now a human rights lawyer who worked as a prosecutor at the United Nations tribunals for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia. She also worked on the Khmer Rouge tribunal in Cambodia” and claims the statement is totally wrong.  Um DPF the statements are pretty well completely correct except for a slight misdescription of her initial role which no doubt was seeded from the original slightly messy statement about her CV.

One article written by Golriz and published in Impolitikal magazine has her stating how she was “prosecuting heads of state for the United Nations”.  Farrar claims that she only prosecuted one head of state.  The problem with this claim is that she was involved in the prosecution of heads of state and it was more than one.  And strangely Farrar’s post went up with the incorrect information

Another source was the Green’s confidential newsletter to Green members during the list selection process where Golriz said that “my work as a lawyer for the UN and in NZ have focused on enforcing human rights and holding governments to account”.  Again this is the work she was doing so I fail to see the problem.

One is a Villianesse interview.  DPF says “[a]lso in an Orwellian move The Villainesse has edited the story to remove reference to prosecuting”.  After complaining that Golriz should have had the stories corrected he then complains when one is.

The problem however is that Farrar has not corrected his mistake.  It has been shown to him conclusively that one of his claimed instances of dishonesty is not correct.  Yet his post still claims there are 15 occasions when we have been deceived.

The last is Golriz’s maiden speech where she said “I saw that at the Rwanda Tribunal, at The Hague and when I prosecuted the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. Holding politicians and armies to account for breaching their powers.”  The statement is again correct in fact clearly correct.  DPF needs to understand that holding people to account requires defence lawyers working to ensure that their rights are respected.

And he ought to appreciate how a slightly incorrect statement with enough retelling can suddenly become perceived truth.  National engages in this all the time.

I suspect the National Party research unit has been scouring the internet seeking traces of text referring to Golriz where the words can be spun to suggest that she has not been completely honest.  The funny thing about the English language is that it can be bent into all sorts of ways. If it was as precise as Farrar claims we would have no need of lawyers.

This is just a nasty gratuitous hounding of Golriz.

102 comments on “Deranged Golriz Syndrome”

  1. Carolyn_nth 1

    Good post. But why pick on this MP?

    And, the book tells it all (front page image).

    • weka 1.1

      Yes, and it’s only going to get worse I think. Golriz because she’s young, talented and has potential to be popular, so good strategy to undermine her early in her political career. Also, her Iranian background and that she was a refugee as a child make her an easy target. Lots of poking at NZ’s racist underbelly. I would say that Farrar should be ashamed of himself, but he’s well beyond that.

      • rhinocrates 1.1.2

        Lots of poking at NZ’s racist underbelly.

        The recent nonsense from Brash and Wayne’s extremely disingenuous dogwhistling here recently, with a specific comparison with Meteria, another talented woman who’s willfully and persistently brown skinned and who’s seen as an interloper in his old boy’s club, shows that underbelly happens also to be the ‘aristocracy.’

        Wayne Blimp happens to be just a bit slicker than Brash while the Penguin is just a bit slicker than WO. We saw a classic two-stream dirty politics manoeuvre there with Wayne pretending to be reasonable and referring to the Penguin as ‘reasonable’, while winking at the mob and the Penguin is more overtly and systematically rabble-rousing.

        I would say that Farrar should be ashamed of himself, but he’s well beyond that.

        I think he takes a glee in repelling people. A nephew of mine, when about 5 was with my very prim and proper aunt and he soon cottoned on to the fact that he could offend her, so he just kept saying “Fart… fart… fart…” The Penguin is that 5 year-old.

        Combine that with the fact that it’s well known in Wellington that [Lets not get to that level – MS]

        • veutoviper 1.1.2.1

          ” … it’s well known in Wellington that [Agreed should not be referred to – MS] …”

          I am definitely not someone who sticks up for Farrar, but as someone long connected to the Wellington beltway I found this statement not strictly correct – AND what does this say/give perceptions of in respect of Farrar’s one year old son born 14 Nov 2016 and his mother?

          Let’s not go down to the Kiwiblog/WO sewer levels of insinuation etc.

          • rhinocrates 1.1.2.1.1

            Clearly I’m a couple of years out of date on that detail. Thanks.

            • veutoviper 1.1.2.1.1.1

              Thanks for acknowledging that.

              Farrar is also much slimmer (about 35kg apparently) and very fit.

              I wish him all the best in terms of partner, baby etc but that does not change my views on his lack of ethics, integrity etc. – particularly in that he’has probably personally experienced discrimination etc in terms of his own ethnic background, his language/speech difficulties in his childhood, his overweight etc earlier in his adulthood.

              (Although he is a different generation to me, he did go to the same primary school and I know a lot of his contemporaries there and know he did not necessarily have an easy time. )

              • Tracey

                The bullied has become a bully. A well known cycle.

                • James

                  How many times have people on here bullied him about his weight ?

                  It’s a bit much when people complain about bullies when they do the same.

                  • weka

                    I don’t know James, who many times have people bullied him?

                    You have this habit of making out that the commentariat does these terrible things but then you generally can’t back them up. This community isn’t that great with fat phobia, but you need to present actual evidence if you don’t want to be seen as stirring. (I suggest you point it out when it happens, and instead of making out that there are ‘all these people’ doing it, be specific to the person/people who are making problem comments).

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      I can recall quite a few times when fat phobic remarks have been made here about eg: Gerry Brownlee or Cameron Slater, so it would hardly be surprising to see they’d been levelled at David Farrar too.

                      Where James falls down is that he doesn’t acknowledge those commenters who jump on such instances.

                    • James []

                      The problem is that it’s not normally jumped on if it’s someone from the other side.

                      It’s so you recall many people taking offence to Slater being called blubberboy? It’s become almost accepted language on here. (As an example)

                    • James

                      To be fair I point it out often as it happens.

                      Take a comment yesterday where a commenter here was (basically) saying it’s a pity brash isn’t dead (of and Mugabee). (Not a specific fat comment – but an example)

                      It’s tastless but it often does not get pulled up (by other commenters) because it’s against a “righty”.

                    • James []

                      Here is the comment from greyrawashack –

                      “OWG Why do we have extended lives these days? Too long of Don Brash – white – and Robert Mugabe – black.”

                      Bwaghorn replied they are too miserable to die.

                      Just as a recent example of pulling it up.

                    • tracey

                      I know many here have called people out for calling Bennett or Collins fat etc. You must have missed those.

                    • weka

                      “To be fair I point it out often as it happens.”

                      I don’t think so. I think you talk about and complain. This thread is a classic example. You take someone’s words out of context, you clearly are cut and pasting and yet you don’t bother to link so that everyone else can see your pointing in context. If you want to be taken seriously on this, you need to link, every time. Otherwise you’re just having a winge, and often you’re doing so in a way that smears the commentariat.

                    • James []

                      On my phone – so trouble linking.

                      But is there a context where it’s ok to make a comment like that?

                    • weka

                      “The problem is that it’s not normally jumped on if it’s someone from the other side.”

                      One of the early moderations I did where I felt like I was pushing the cultural boundaries here was to go through a thread and remove a bunch of repeated fat phobic comments. I couldn’t tell you who they were made against because I basically don’t care. Fatphobia is unacceptable no matter who does it and who it’s against (although there’s often an additional issue if it’s targeting women).

                      The people here who are understand fat politics will push back irrespective of sides. The people who don’t won’t. That’s an issue of education and setting boundaries. You can take part in that. Instead of using examples of fat phobia (or whatever) to take potshots at the commentariat, do the mahi of actually addressing the issues directly irrespective of the partisan issues.

                    • weka

                      @OAB, I agree on both counts. I also think that James is more interested in complaining about how RW people get treated than he is in addressing fat phobia etc.

                    • Muttonbird

                      James! Don’t post from your phone if you can’t do it properly.

                      In fact, don’t post at all.

                    • weka

                      @James, on my phone cut and pasting is the same from the address bar as from a webpage. Or I wait until I am back at my laptop. My points stand.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    you recall many people taking offence to Slater being called blubberboy?

                    I can recall being offended by it: there are so many more fitting and eloquent ways to describe his particular qualities.

                  • tracey

                    Not me. I get sick of the “they do it too” puerility passing for comment here sometimes. Like the armies who called Helen Clark “Alan”.

                    Seeing as you have cognition problems, I was noting that many bullies were themselves bullied. IOW Farrar has been bullied and became a bulky.

                    Feel free to find where I mocked him for his weight and link it here

                    • Gareth

                      “IOW Farrar has been bullied and became a bulky.
                      Feel free to find where I mocked him for his weight and link it here”

                      I know it’s just a spelling mistake, but that’s some good irony.

                  • Tricledrown

                    James lame construct evidence please.
                    Pathetic trolling.

        • stunned mullet 1.1.2.2

          Good smear Rhino – let’s just ignore the fact that Farrar is a dad in a relationship.

        • rhinocrates 1.1.2.3

          MS: agreed, that was too far. I apologise.

    • Anne 1.2

      …why pick on this MP?

      They perceive her as being vulnerable because of her female status, youth, ethnicity and the fact she is of “refugee” status. Add to that the bigotry and racism inherent among a lot of NZers, they know they are going to push a few well polished buttons by targeting her.

      • Tracey 1.2.1

        And intelligent. Being intelligent and female is provocative enough but add in your descriptors…

    • fender 1.3

      One only has to view her maiden speech to notice that this very talented beautiful woman has more intellectual and moral grunt than the entire history of the National Party. She also expressed a desire to see conduct in the house become more mature and respectful, something National are incapable of. They are very scared her approach and respect for human rights will gain traction as this will highlight the contrast with their nasty party ethos.

  2. David Mac 2

    The few terriers that won’t let this go are moving the focus onto themselves. After a quick flick through the Whale I wasn’t left thinking evil of Golriz I was left wondering ‘Why on earth is Slater so hellbent on this mega-slagging, who is pushing his buttons?’

    • BM 2.1

      Ghahraman wants NZ to take in middle eastern refugees, as you probably know Slater isn’t a great fan of Muslims especially those from the Middle East.

      • David Mac 2.1.2

        As a nation, I think most of us bear caveats on that prospect. Being of a left persuasion doesn’t mean being blind to bona fide footage from Berlin and Paris.

        I see your point but I also feel Golriz and the Greens are so far from the levers that would see planeloads of Syrians landing at Mangere that it’s not really a concern for Slater.

        Do you think that Slater is a Spin Dr for Hire?

      • Tracey 2.1.3

        The more we have like her the better for all of us. We could engage in a swap. Will the Middle East take Slater?

        • lprent 2.1.3.1

          I suspect that Israeli army could find a place for him

          That apartheid regime seem to use him for everything else if the persistent stories about the Israelis paying him directly or indirectly for propaganda are accurate.

          We could throw out in the Spanish bride for free.

      • RedLogix 2.1.4

        I can’t be certain BM, but I suspect that the very reason why Ghahraman’s family fled Iran in 1990 may well have been precisely because they were NOT Muslim.

  3. dv 3

    Not too fond of slatters, especially those that inhabit rotten wood.

  4. weka 4

    “And strangely Farrar’s post went up with the incorrect information”

    Lol. The guy has zero credibility and should now be considered nothing but a Dirty Politics shill. This means that even when he makes good points he should be suspect and shunned, because nothing that comes from him can be trusted. He’s like Hooton in that regard. There are plenty of RW commentators who make good points despite their problematic politics and who have integrity, and they should be listened to, referenced, and debated with. DPF isn’t one of them.

  5. One Two 5

    GG past and history are only ‘known’, to her…

    And perhaps her handlers…

    It’s a nice story…

    • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1

      That’s the way: make sure your vicious smears are vague and irrefutable. Stalin would be proud of you.

      • One Two 5.1.1

        No one on this blog, including whoever you are, knows anything about GG, other than the story told to this point

        And it is just a story, which ticks so many boxes..

        You can challenge that comment…if you can…

        But do try to stop the repeated projecting..

        Your protracted record of abuse is indefensible, and drips from each incoherent thought you fumble out via the keyboard!

        • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.1.1

          Butter wouldn’t melt in your mouth eh. Dogs have “handlers”, as do spies, but I’m sure you have some “innocent” excuse for implying that Golriz Ghahraman is someone’s tool.

          Other than misogyny and racism, that is.

          Your protracted record of Chopraesque drivel is tiresome and vacuous, empty and vain. That is a comment about your (broken) record, not about you, although I’m not sure you’re capable of separating the two.

          • One Two 5.1.1.1.1

            Keep coming…

            Although the parroting and naked mirroring is providing more than you might realise..

            That’s even before you reached, yet again for the ‘righteousness’ of ‘those cards’…

            GG might well be a tool, that remains to be observed over time…

            You’ve been posting long enough, so no more time is necessary for evaluation of your status!

            • Psycho Milt 5.1.1.1.1.1

              GG might well be a tool, that remains to be observed over time…

              She might well be an extraterrestrial or the second coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ…

              Who knows?

              That remains to be seen over time…

              Challenge this comment… if you can…

              • One Two

                Good grief, Milt..

                That really is, low grade

                David Shearer is a tool of the UN…So is Helen Clark

                Mike Moore a tool of the WTO

                RBNZ governer Wheeler a tool of The World Bank

                John Key a tool of the banking system

                And on and on it goes

                They’re all tools…

                • McFlock

                  You’re a sledgehammer that thinks it’s a pair of tweezers, and wants to remove everyone’s splinters…

              • Milt, I applaud your attempt to speak reason to commentators on Farrar’s blogposts. Your reasoned comments were in stark contrast to the hysterical responses you were getting. All the while, I had this image of your head banging against a brick wall in frustration.

                You have more patience than I do.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 5.1.1.1.1.2

              I note you’ve backed away from your smear. Pity you don’t have the guts to withdraw it entirely.

              • One Two

                I’ve backed away…

                No

                I’ve emphasised the original point I made…

                While you’re still trying to achieve a sense of satisfaction by chasing my comments around..

                I’ve either tied you in knots or rejected your abusive modus operandi

                Don’t like, then deal with it some other way

                You’re a naturally abusive commentator

                See if you can evolve from that place..

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  You didn’t make a point, you simply smeared Golriz Ghahraman. Now you’re saying your smear “might” be true: the weasel words of a coward, although still better than the irrefutable Stalinist accusation/assertion you made in the first place.

                  Veutoviper can have the last word:

                  I have to agree (reluctantly LOL) with this comment by OAB to One Two that “You bring precise;y (sic)* zero to this discussion.”

                  * Do’h!

                  • veutoviper

                    Liked it at the time as it was so true in respect of that ‘conversation’ as well as this one. The semicolon helped me find it again!

                    https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-22-11-2017/#comment-1417815

                  • One Two

                    Using a commentator, who disagrees with what you usually have to say here..

                    As a proxy and crutch to get the last word in for your own self..

                    Take some responsibility for yourself…in doing so it might just change the tone of the ‘hatred’ seeping through your comments..

                    I’ve allowed myself to be dragged in…that’s on me…

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      …that’s on me…

                      So are your smears and weasel words against Golriz Ghahraman.

                      And sure, mea culpa, I judged you. My bad. Kindness just wasn’t getting through.

            • greywarshark 5.1.1.1.1.3

              OOh One Two you really come alive when you are battling some imagined attack. Better than drugs. Pharmac can learn a lot from you.

    • veutoviper 5.2

      GG past and history are only ‘known’, to her… And perhaps her handlers…
      It’s a nice story…

      Really, One Two?

      Golriz (and her parents and sister) have been NZ residents since about 1990 despite being Iranian born. It is claimed (on Wikipedia) that “When Golriz Ghahraman was nine years old, her family left Iran for Malaysia, ostensibly for a holiday. From Malaysia they booked flights to Fiji, with a stopover in Auckland, where they sought and were granted asylum as political refugees.”

      The steps to claiming asylum as political refugees are very complicated and thorough, with many checks through international sources undertaken.

      https://www.immigration.govt.nz/audiences/supporting-refugees-and-asylum-seekers/asylum-seekers

      So, in addition to Golriz (and her family), the NZ government, eg Immigration and other govt depts, probably the UNHCR, and probably the SIS and/or the GCSB also know a lot about their past and history – otherwise they would not still be in NZ some 27 years after their arrival in c 1990.

      • One Two 5.2.1

        Yes, really!

        • Macro 5.2.1.1

          What a fool you are.
          My daughter worked both at the NZ Refugee Centre and in the Immigration vetting of Asylum Seekers such as the Ghahraman family. I can assure you and everyone here that the vetting of Asylum Seekers is not taken lightly. Every story is double checked and verification sought from UN, country of Origin, and other sources where ever possible. If ultimately (because they have recourse to review of decisions and appeal to the Minister) the story they tell does not check out they are denied entry, and sent back from whence they came on the next flight out.

          • veutoviper 5.2.1.1.1

            Exactly, Macro.
            Look at what Ahmed Zaoui went through.

            But, having had a quick flick through One Two’s contributions on TS over the last month or so, I have to agree (reluctantly LOL) with this comment by OAB to One Two that “You bring precise;y (sic) zero to this discussion.”

            Now assigned to my ‘Don’t respond’ box.

          • Tracey 5.2.1.1.2

            Seemingly better than the vetting of future Nat MPs…

          • One Two 5.2.1.1.3

            That’s a good story too, Macro

            As I’ve said previously..

            Let time show the level of contribution the opportunity as a member of parliament offers.

            So many desperate commentators riding the wave of what…an unproven MP..

            Fools jump in!

            @vv, 5.2.1.1.1

            AZ is a poor comparison to use

            • One Anonymous Bloke 5.2.1.1.3.1

              riding the wave

              Projecting your own feeble cynicism again. Sticking up for people who’ve been smeared and falsely accused – or in any way victimised – is a core Left-wing value.

              I note that precisely no-one is defending Golriz Ghahraman’s future. Her level of contribution is already substantive and well documented.

              Your new name is Sledgetweezer.

              • One Two

                Still with the insults and name calling..

                That response was to Macro..

                Yet there you are, again following around my comments..

                Stalker tendencies and abusive..

                Core ‘left wing’ values

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  😆

                  insulting

                  Once again, the butter doesn’t melt, as though the use of the word “story” in your comment is intended as anything other than a put-down.

                  And yeah, I find myself drawn to various people’s comments. Yours, because they consist of little but patronising attempts at superiority with a massive side-order of fail.

                  I agree with your remark that Golriz Ghahraman be allowed to stamp her own mark on Parliament. Such a pity you’d already undermined it with cynical weasel smears, and then used it to take a stab at The Standard community.

                  Edit: yes, core left-wing values, which I am neither responsible for nor beholden to. Still picking through that particular smorgasbord.

        • North 5.2.1.2

          The first volley in this exchange was a smear repeated/levelled by One Two. Advisedly, repugnantly, odiously.

  6. The whole hit (and half of that list) is based on the false premise that not specifically mentioning you were on the defence implies you were prosecuting. False premises are the propagandists’ best friend.

  7. Bill 7

    I can’t escape the feeling that much of this revolves around the notion that one ought not to defend anyone against charges brought by the UN because it casts doubt on the assumption that the UN represents all that is great and good – ie, it goes to the heart of western liberal mythology.

    The other person of late who disturbed the placid waters lying at the heart of liberal mythology was Metiria Turei when she highlighted the despicable cultural and institutional environment that’s set against poor people.

    In both cases then, we have (and I don’t think it’s incidental) women with brown skin upsetting comfortable illusions that ought never be subjected to scrutiny.

    Imagine if western liberalism came to be viewed, less as an expression of intrinsic benevolence, but more with meting out punishments and extending raw power? There’s implications to that.

    And some might rather the mere possibility of such views gaining traction was “headed off at the pass” – by marginalising and silencing any and all who might point (however innocently or accidentally) to that as a feasible take on western liberalism.

  8. Bob 8

    Let’s hope the Labour Party digs deep into the deception of Jian Yang, the Communist spy that I saw firmly entrenched in the Gnat party.
    David Farrier is a muppet!

  9. mauī 9

    Yet again one of the good peeps has to jump through hoops to get credibility from the attack dogs like Garner and Soper. The positive is that these false claims are slowly eroding the media’s power. Awesome to see good winning through in the end and even Newstalk radio was defending Golriz this morning which was refreshing! We need to keep the good poli’s in Parliament such as her.

  10. Ffloyd 10

    I watched Sue Moroney on Q@A this morning and just want to say that it is a great shame she is no longer in Parliament. Having always admired her dedication and tenacity as well as being a fearless speaker in the House I will miss her in Question time but I bet the nats won’t.Great to see her in good form this morning.

  11. mary_a 11

    Apart from being a young intelligent Kiwi, Golriz is also an extremely talented, strong woman, with a bright future ahead of her. An asset to NZ. We should be proud to have such a gifted caring MP in our Parliament.

    Pity middle aged/old white men such as Farrar et al can’t see those positive facts. Instead they find woman such as Golriz a threat, which only highlights their own bigoted, flawed weakness. Indication of an inadequacy there somewhere perhaps, to make them feel so intimidated they feel compelled to spit the venom! Sad creatures.

  12. Wensleydale 12

    Once I know the source of a particular comment or article is David ‘Evil Friar Tuck’ Farrar, I disregard it out of hand. He’s an odious individual who seems to take a singular glee in twisting words and playing puerile semantic games in a sad attempt to maim anyone from the Left. I mean, if you have a legitimate concern or grievance, then fine, state your case and have at it. But playing stupid word games and being deliberately obtuse is just obnoxious and makes you look like a muppet.

    • McFlock 12.1

      yup. Life is too short to consider bullshit on the off-chance that this time it has a shred of truth.

      And this post is a good reminder as to why the hypocritical penguin is nothing more than a used-car dealer without the integrity.

  13. Tracey 13

    Who is this David Farrar? How many articles has he written about Keys lie, starting with the one revealled this week? The prior David Farrar didnt give a shit about lies but this one does?

    I am just wondering what she has really done wrong? Being appoibted to defend someone in a sanctioned crimknal process is not a fault, a crime or anything else.

    Compare it with, say, telling a lie, then giving the lie credence by promising to resign if your lie is caught, getting elected on your lie, getting knighted and staying silent and hidden when lie revealed.

    Or compare it to omitting you trained spies for a communist nation so you could become a resident in NZ

    Leave. Her. Alone. Even if she didnt say she worked as a defence lawyer it makes no difference. I dont tell everyone everything in my CV eitger

  14. savenz 14

    Other things to have media attention about rather than Golriz.

    Todd Barclay enjoys paid summer holiday through Europe

    John Key lying about mass surveillance

    $11.7billion dollar hole Joyce lied about during election is actually a $20b defence Force upgrade

    world’s biggest seismic blasting ship coming to NZ to search for oil and gas

    Solar panel taxes

    Air pollution, ocean pollution, water pollution, climate change all getting worse and it’s expected impacts

    The ‘cameras’ that now don’t seem to be going ahead to try to stem overfishing.

    Rising cost of fresh food we produce in this country that people increasingly can’t afford to eat and the quality of imported food and biosecurity concerns. (Pork for example).

    TPPA

    etc etc

    • savenz 14.1

      They also wheel out Brash to distract. It’s been going on for over a decade now, but still works a treat.

  15. savenz 15

    At the very least the first 3

    Todd Barclay enjoys paid summer holiday through Europe

    John Key lying about mass surveillance

    $11.7billion dollar hole Joyce lied about during election is actually a $20b defence Force upgrade

    should be shouted from the roof tops by the left and Labour/Greens at every opportunity – stop repeating trivia (Golriz) and start throwing some real news out there and keep it in the news instead of being distracted every 2 seconds by some 70+ year old with zero political power and few supporters (Brash) so that real news gets buried.

  16. Thatcher 16

    ‘slightly inelegantly worded description’, I prefer bullshit as a better interpretation

  17. Muttonbird 17

    Those exhibiting this fevered hatred of Ghahraman are white, conservative, and hate socially conscious women with power, especially brown ones.

    They’ll say in unguarded moments that they don’t like being ‘talked down to’, as if what Ghahraman stands for is a direct attack on them personally. This betrays guilt for what they themselves stand for.

    In more guarded moments they’ll say she’s a hypocrite for ‘taking the moral high ground’ having acting in the defence of those involved in genocide.

    They are the same thing though – a hatred that a high profile brown woman in a position of power is able to speak against the traditions conservative white men have held so dear for so long.

    It’s certainly got bugger all to do with the Tutsis.

  18. Incognito 18

    The aim of the game is to manipulate public opinion and manufacture outrage if possible. The tools are planting seeds of doubt & distrust that can remain ‘preserved’ and re-activated at later time when needed.

    It doesn’t matter that DPF made a few mistakes – and even quasi-corrected a few; how grand of him – in his claimed 15 occasions of misleading ‘us’. What matters is that he somehow (…) came up with so many, that he appeared to be spoilt for choice. That will stick with the public more than anything.

    In essence DPF and all the other ‘critics’ of Ms Ghahraman and also of Metiria Turei – unsurprisingly, the same critical voices – are trying to drag them down to the same level, if not lower, as other politicians whom already enjoy a low level of public trust. Unfortunately, I have to say that they seem to be partially successful at this; it dashes any fragile hope we might treasure that there are at least a few people in Parliament that we can trust more than others. Damage done and mission accomplished; DP in action again or should I say still …

  19. I’ve been reading the comments on just a few of Farrar’s blogposts., To put it mildly, they seem to be the vitriol from a few dozen deranged right-wingers.

    I recall a couple who attempted some reasoned comment on Golriz Ghahraman – but the majority seemed to be lunatic in the extreme.

    A good hot shower with plenty of disinfectant followed.

    • weka 19.1

      I’m grateful for the people that keep an eye on the place and report back. I can’t bring myself to go there.

      • Macro 19.1.1

        Nor can I – I think it must be about 8 years ago since I last clicked on any of those sites in error – someone had put a link in, and stupidly I clicked on it.
        I don’t have to visit a sewer to know that it stinks.
        I’ll bet Frank plans not to return for a long time as well. 🙂

        • Frank Macskasy 19.1.1.1

          Macro…

          I’ll bet Frank plans not to return for a long time as well. 🙂

          Not unless I have…

          … more penance to do,

          … developed a strong S & M fetish,

          … lost a bet.

          On the other hand, logging on and up-ticking Psycho Milt’s postings is the least we can do…

          • Macro 19.1.1.1.1

            Nope! Never to return. I take my guidance from Matt 7:6

            6 Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces.

            🙂
            I must say I’m in two minds at the reference to dogs – some dogs like the one next door I can control. But the pig reference is highly appropriate. I’ve been thinking about pigs recently wrt this topic and the squealing of pigs when they are afraid has to be heard to be appreciated – and the noise that the rwnj are making over nothing, brings that very much to mind.

    • mary_a 19.2

      Keep up the regular cleansing there Frank (19). The contamination should clear in about a week or two!

      • Just got through my first 44 gallon drum of pine-disinfectant, Mary A. I may require gamma irradiation if that doesn’t work. (Though that left Bruce Banner with a few “after effects”, unfortunately…)

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