web analytics

Disgusting

Written By: - Date published: 9:40 am, August 22nd, 2013 - 110 comments
Categories: national/act government, same old national - Tags: ,

Blame my Irish Catholic Working class background or because of my family my immersion in Trade Union activity from birth but I have always thought that the National Party was a bunch of self indulgent, rude and arrogant miscreants who are under the illusion that they are born to rule and superior to the rest of us.

Last night’s speech by Attorney General Chris Finlayson reaffirmed my beliefs.

He gave the appearance of being utterly convinced that he is right and the fact that a huge number of legal heavy hitters such as the Law Society, former Justice Ted Thomas, the Human Rights Commission, Rodney Harrison QC, the Privacy Commissioner, and Geoffrey Palmer disagree with him did not cause him to rethink his views in the slightest.

The Herald has chronicled his array of insults as follows:

On Rodney Harrison, QC
“It’s not true that we haven’t allowed for enough time to craft good legislation but maybe we haven’t allowed enough time for the rate at which Dr Harrison can get to grips with this legislation.”

On Sir Bruce Ferguson, former GCSB director
“Let us not forget that despite his recent attempts to reinvent himself as a political commentator, many of the problems we are dealing with today in this legislation occurred on his watch.”

On Sir Geoffrey Palmer, former Labour PM
“[He] allowed the GCSB to operate with no legislation at all when he was Prime Minister. Sir Geoffrey has claimed this legislation is rushed. Well it isn’t … If we want to talk about rushing something let us look at the debate on the SOE bill in 1986 … He has managed to recast himself as the guardian angel of constitutional propriety. He’s not. He’s deeply partisan.”

On Dame Anne Salmond
“The worst contribution has come from Dame Anne Salmond … some of her shrill and unprofessional comments … [have comparisons with] McCarthyism and comparisons with Nazi Germany.”

In many respects his attack on Anne Salmond is the worst.  She has responded with dignity and class.  She has accused him of engaging in gutter politics.  Her original reference to Nazi Germany was because Germans were also told “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear”.

Stuff reports her as saying

It’s incredibly sad. I think people who have raised concerns about the bill are raising them because they care about democracy, and they care about the rights of our citizens.

If we’re talking about democratic freedom in New Zealand, and it’s descended into gutter politics like that, I just find it so sad.

Anne Salmond is so right.  People standing up for what they believe in should not be subject to this level of insults, let alone the mass surveillance we are now subject to.

It clearly is time for a change of Government.

110 comments on “Disgusting”

  1. cnrjoe 1

    Our Spyminister

    • Wayne 1.1

      I guess one point to take from all of this is that if you enter the public debate, you should refrain from comparing your opponents to Nazis, or saying they disgrace the memories of New Zealand’s war dead.

      There is a reason why you can’t do that in Parliament and that is that it tends to provoke disorder, and often a very sharp retort. Which it did in this instance.

      In any debate where you are taking a public position, it is at least worth considering whether the actions of the Govt are typical of other western democracies. If they are then that should limit the scope of the debate and the level of outrage. Otherwise you might end up saying that President Obama is just like the Nazis. Or something as equally silly.

      Now of course you could argue as Seeby Woodhouse did, that NZ should have a higher standard than other nations, that we should be a leader. And as a general proposition New Zealanders like that.

      • Murray Olsen 1.1.1

        Nah Wayne, the Nazis never had drones and Hitler never won a Nobel Peace Prize. Totally different and silly.

  2. vto 2

    so I was right all those months ago when Finlayson effectively appointed himself a QC – he is a queer cunt through and through.

    Finlayson QC – let nobody think of anything else when they see those letters next to his name.

    • karol 2.1

      Finlayson’s comments are disgusting as micky says.

      However, referring to anyone as a q***r c*** is very offensive, let alone when applied to a gay man. In Dame Anne Salmond’s words, it’s “gutter politics”.

      • vto 2.1.1

        Actually the term is not “very offensive”. It is an old term meaning, with even some small element of endearment, strange bastard. It is taken in people’s stride in a similar manner to, say, “rude prick” or “dopey bastard”.

        • karol 2.1.1.1

          Of course, the fact that queer is often used to refer to a gay person has nothing to do with it? And why use a term for female genitalia to attack a man, rather than the term for male genitalia. In fact, the two terms are not equivalent. And I really don’t like the c word being used as a term of abuse. Never do so myself. the q c phrase feels very offensive to me.

          • vto 2.1.1.1.1

            The two terms as you describe are secondary to their predominant use together like this, although your points around each of those individually are noted as are the wider issues they point to (although you may note the use of the word “prick” above. Male genitalia. I don’t think a lot of people worry too much).

            No apology is made in this case. It fits the situation. The same description would have been made if it had been any other minister making himself a QC, gay or not. You may find that hard to believe but it is so. Finlaysons personal situation is merely a lightweight highlight, nothing more.

            Same to Tracey below – your personal take on it is noted. My personal approach to it is as described. It is an individual (on my part) form of abuse that Finlayson deserves imo.

            It should also be borne in mind that the actions of this and previous governments have a very very immediate and direct of the life of me and those around me. Examples – GCSB spying, Ecan theft, Chch EQC (guess how they have been described down these parts with those initials), smacking laws, loads and loads. They make it personal to us – we make it personal to them. There is no hiding behind an office. No apology.

            • Colonial Viper 2.1.1.1.1.1

              Correct. My belief is that the office doesn’t make the pollie, it is the pollie which makes the office. And I’ve seen kindy politics rougher than this, and this is the grown ups game.

              • karol

                Politics, unfortunately has a very long masculine heterosexist legacy – that doesn’t make such abuse right.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Yes, I suppose politics should keep to strictly gender neutral and sexual orientation free types of personal abuse. Also anything relating to ethnicity, race, parental marital status, educational history, class background, income level and personal appearance needs to be excluded.

                  But all other kinds of personal abuse should be ok.

                  Possibly the ideal the left should champion is that no personal abuse should occur in the public and political arena, comments from all parties should be kept strictly to the pertinent issues of substance and all political interactions encouraged to be disciplined, clean and professional.

                  Perhaps a demerit point system could be implemented with neutral and independent referees?

                  • Tracey

                    Missing the point. vto complains about Finlayson’s personal abuse of people, then personally abuses him. Of course he’s free to do it… and we are free to be offended by it he can rationalise and justify it, and even suggest that “others do it too” (if he wants). It just means he reveals himself as everything he says he opposes. Finlayson wont apologise and neither will vto. They are more alike than I expect vto would acknowledge.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      So you think that public figures and political leaders shall be held to the same standard as private citizens and anonymous bloggers?

                      I don’t think so.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      I personally would not use the term Q.C. etc. and to my memory I never have before.

                      Would I prefer VTO not to use the term? Certainly. Am I going to school him on it? Not his Mum.

                      Finlayson however I do expect a “higher standard” from.

                  • Tracey

                    I think people should behave the way they expect others to behave. vto took exception to Finlayson’s behaviour and promptly used the same behaviour. Politicians used to be “private citizens” where do you think they learn the behaviour.

                  • Populuxe1

                    Well I’m technically a “QC” and I take offense at the anachronistic usage when it is obviously offensive in this day and age, I’m probably more incredulous than offended, but I don’t like it, nor do I like being lumped in with Finlayson.

                    Also it’s not just National MPs who think they’re better than everyone else, that may just be wishful thinking on someone’s part.

                • North

                  OK can we settle on ugly, pompous, elitist, typical little slime lawyer upper-cwust prick then ? Screeching of everything effete and ridiculous.

                  Anne Salmond earned her distinction. So did Rodney Harrison his call to the Inner Bar. This punky wee snob gave himself the silk.

            • karol 2.1.1.1.1.2

              It should also be borne in mind that the actions of this and previous governments have a very very immediate and direct of the life of me and those around me.

              Including myself – Finlayson’s comments, and other aspects of his politics and political actions are disgusting.

              And the use of the term “queer cunt” as a term of abuse has, and has had, a very direct impact on my life as a lesbian, as it has done for many LGBTI people. We have experienced a lifetime of all kinds of slurs, and abuse. Yet you fail to accept the impact it has on others.

              • vto

                Karol, I don’t dismiss the impact such abuse may have on others, but I have no answer for it unfortunately. I guess it is an unfortunate side-effect. In most forms of abuse there is collateral damage.

                Genuinely curious though – have you suffered that term as a form of abuse personally? If so then perhaps its use is spreading from the past and more non-urban aotearoan locales…

                • Tracey

                  You say you have no answer vto, perhaps you could not indulge in it?

                • NZFemme

                  Have personally been verbally abused with that term more than once and never in the smaller rural areas I’ve lived, only Auckland and Dunedin, and dating back to around 1998. Because I don’t “read” as lesbian to people with stereotypes in their heads of what a lesbian “looks” like, it’s always happened to me when I’m with a partner.

                  When I hear it or read it, regardless of the intent of the person, it always feels like a punch in the stomach. The air feels like it is being sucked out of my body.

                  It hurts.

                  • North

                    Yet I have many recollections of a decent enough number of gay people positively revelling in the word “queer”……..remember television’s “Queer Nation” ? Don’t feel moved to say much about the other word. Don’t feel moved to say much about VTO’s seeming lack of remorse either.

                    • NZFemme

                      There’s a difference between reclaiming a word for ones self, and having the same word used as a slur against you. Queer Nation falls firmly in the reclaiming camp. It wasn’t Queer Cunt Nation produced by homophobes after all.

                      Having said that, there are words that I wouldn’t even bother trying to reclaim for myself, because they just cut too close to the bone.

        • Stephen 2.1.1.2

          With karol here. vot, you are dissembling and you know it.

          • North 2.1.1.2.1

            That you’re disposed to think he’s dissembling is no proof at all that he is.

            • weka 2.1.1.2.1.1

              As I’ve said before, I’ve also been around use of the term queer cunt that is not directed at gay people, and is used more in the sense of ‘strange person’. However it beggars belief that one would use the term in this community on ts, where there are many people who find the term personally offensive because in their world the term is one not just of abuse directed at them, but of abuse that is backed up by extreme forms of social violence. So, dissembling yes, and disrespectful. Vto is very well aware of how the term qc is viewed here (from previous conversations), and knows exactly what will happen if they use it.

              What surprises me is that vto thinks that their ‘right’ to use, and defend the use of, the phrase, trumps the feelings of people here.

              Context is everything with language. I had to learn how to not react to the use of the word cunt as a pejorative. In my middle class upbringing, you simply just don’t use the word, at all. When I started hanging around with working class friends who use the word commonly, it was shocking in the sense of just not being used to it – but it wasn’t used offensively, which further my point about context. Some people can call another person a cunt, and it’s just another slang word. Other people use the word cunt as a specific put down with all the misogyny and shame they can attach.

              So, I don’t have a problem with vto using the term qc in their own world. And I don’t object to it when I hear it used to mean ‘strange person’ in my own world. But I do object to it when it is used homophobically, esp in public, which is what vto is doing here. Honestly, why on earth would you use the term to describe a gay man, in a room full of gay people?

              • vto

                “So, I don’t have a problem with vto using the term qc in their own world. And I don’t object to it when I hear it used to mean ‘strange person’ in my own world. But I do object to it when it is used homophobically, esp in public, which is what vto is doing here.”

                Weka, appreciate your confirmation around the non-offensive use of the term, but what you say here is simply incorrect. It was not used in a homophobic way – you are making that up with zero basis.

                • weka

                  No, I’m making an observation. I think you knowingly using the term about a gay man in a room full of gay people who you know will be offended, is a form of homophobia. Bad manners too.

    • Tracey 2.2

      I hope you get placed on a ban for a few weeks for that comment. It denigrates many, including you and pouts you in the same ilk as the man you criticise.

      • vto 2.2.1

        you don’t understand it

        [If you google the phrase it does appear to have widespread use – MS]

        • Tracey 2.2.1.1

          you ought to apologise, afterall you think that is what Finlayson ought to do. Anyone several people here have stated they are offended. Hiding behind a dictionary meaning when you know exactly what you wanted to convey is cowardly. The use of the C-word is offensive and your double whammy was not lost on anyone, even if the moderators have decided it’s ok. They have to live with their decisions not me.

          • yeshe 2.2.1.1.1

            i don’t think he is QC is he ??

            • Tracey 2.2.1.1.1.1

              I believe he appointed himself one…

              On 13 December 2012, Finlayson appointed himself[4] a Queen’s Counsel due to his role as Attorney-General.

              “Notice Number:
              8344

              Year:
              2012

              Publication Date:
              20 December 2012

              Page Number:
              4463

              Title:
              Appointment of Queen’s Counsel

              Notice Text:
              Appointment of Queen’s Counsel
              His Excellency the Governor-General of New Zealand, acting on the recommendation of the Prime Minister and with the concurrence of the Chief Justice, has been pleased to appoint
              Christopher Francis Finlayson
              Michael Richard Heron
              to be Queen’s Counsel.
              Dated at Wellington this 10th day of December 2012.
              RT HON JOHN KEY, Prime Minister.”

  3. NZFemme 3

    Finlayson really is a vicious little stick insect. Using his position in the house to denigrate people who are doing nothing more than what is their democratic right, and who have no means to rebutt his assertions in that same house.

    Poisonous, petulant, preening little man.

  4. Winston Smith 4

    My admiration for Finlayson has gone up in leaps and bounds, hes calling it as he sees it and making salient points about the commentators

    Labour wishes it had the amount of talent National have

    • Tracey 4.1

      you will agree though that any claim that National doesn’t resort to personality plitics or name-calling or negativity is now hollow?

      Not exactly the behaviour one expects of a QC.. and seems very emotive for someone so sure he is on the right side of an argument.

    • John W 4.2

      Winston

      Perhaps your judgment excludes many essential considerations such as talent to see what creates inequity and degeneration.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.3

      Salient points about the commentators? Oxymoron much?

      It’s called the ad hominem fallacy for a reason. The talent just tripped over his dick.

  5. Anita 5

    “Shrill” is only ever used of women[1], and is best read a complaint that a woman got herself out of the kitchen and involved herself in Men’s Issues.

    Gotta love Finlayson, his sexism is barely veiled

    Anita

    [1] It’s occasionally used as a homophobic slur by insinuating that a man sounds like a woman.

    • NZFemme 5.1

      Yes, agree. Anne Salmond has more mana in her little finger than Finlayson will ever attain in his lifetime.

    • karol 5.2

      Yes, Finlayson is indeed a hypocrite and disgusting in his gender slur against Anne Salmond.

    • yeshe 5.3

      I detest the sexism of it. Isn’t it odd though that many men will call a man the c-word as a final resort of insult, but I have never ever heard a woman be called the pr..k word ! What can this mean ?

      • Ugly Truth 5.3.1

        What it means is that society is unavoidably sexist, and this isn’t necessarily a bad thing. I don’t mean sexism in the sense of degrading people because of their gender, but rather sexism in the sense of recognizing that men and women have different roles in society. This idea is reflected in language, with differences in meaning of “man” and “person” being much more than a simple matter of gender.

        • weka 5.3.1.1

          “but rather sexism in the sense of recognizing that men and women have different roles in society.”

          That’s not sexism. Sexism is when individuals are denied the ability to step out of those roles because of the shape of their body parts, and when that denial is institutionalised. It’s also when gender roles are enforced by a society which thinks that some genders are of lesser value than others, and so tries to control the lesser genders. At the core of that are power imbalances and the use of domination.

        • Anita 5.3.1.2

          Ugly Truth,

          I am curious about what you mean by “men and women have different roles in society”, can you give a definition or some examples of the different roles?

          BTW I’m sure you’re seen it before but this is an old favourite on the matter 😉

          Anita

  6. srylands 6

    I hardly think they are disgusting.

    What is inaccurate about observation on Sir Geoffrey Palmer? He did allow the GCSB to operate with no legislation at all.

    • Tracey 6.1

      For a person who only recently posted about how people shouldn’t get emotional, this outburst by Finlayson is nothing if not emotional.

      So your reasoning appears to be if Geoffrey Palmer did nothing it’s ok for Finlayson to do something that harms NZ too?

    • Sable 6.2

      Look who’s back. So srylands no comment on the resounding renunciation of this ugly piece of undemocratic legislation after the Campbell Live poll by your fellow countrymen and women but here you are defending Finlayson. Seems to be if you want anyone to take you seriously you should at least have a consistent argument and show the guts to support it. So far all I have seen from you is pro National tribalism.

      Geoff Palmer is one of the few politicians in this country’s history to actually attempt to enshrine protection of the rights of New Zealanders in law. As to running the GCSB with no legislation back then spying on the public was illegal, I think that denotes the presence of legislation. Now with Keys amendments we have less protection, in effect stripping away laws. That’s not moving forward its moving backward into history, think Stalin, Hitler, Honecker….

      • srylands 6.2.1

        ” the resounding renunciation of this ugly piece of undemocratic legislation after the Campbell Live poll ”

        Sorry I just don’t have strong views on it. Broadly, I am perfectly happy for a strong surveillance capacity to detect crmiminal behaviour. What the GCSB can now do seems fine. They can read my emails and listen to my phone calls if they like.

        Sorry, I just don’t care.

        • Tracey 6.2.1.1

          happy to be detained while they do it, without any communication to your family about why?

          How about you post a few of them here for us, to prove you don’t care… or even all of them… we will rely on your honesty.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.2.1.2

          Srylands then you’re an idiot.

          Why does Judith Collins regard the intrusion into her personal communications as “chilling”? Do you suppose she’s done something wrong, and if not, do you think she might be onto something?

        • Merrial 6.2.1.3

          What’s wrong with the police and the SIS doing that surveillance stuff regarding suspected criminal activity, as used to be the case before 2001? There’s no reason I can see why we can’t return to that state of affairs. Don’t forget that the spooks (SIS then) weren’t able to prevent the Rainbow Warrior bombing. And it was the police, with the help of observant locals, who caught the French agents. Not the SIS.

          I guess you’ll just put it down to experience if the spooks make a wrong assumption about you as a result of trawling metadata and misinterpreting what they find? Or if one of said spooks whose ethical compass is skewiff decides to use your credit card or other financial details to their advantage. Don’t run away with the idea that this is wildly implausible: there’s no accounting for human nature.

        • Martin 6.2.1.4

          good so you won’t mind your phone being tapped and your email read then.

      • grumpy 6.2.2

        Where was the Campbell Live outrage over the uncontrolled provisions of the 2003 Helen Clark bill?
        TV3 have deliberately set out to misinform the public for political ends. The example Key made of Campbell would be nothing compared to the absolute demolition if Findlayson was let loose on him.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.2.2.1

          Would that be the same mendacious wretch who the very next day had to issue a correction statement? And then a clarifying speech?

          Setting the bar to a new low might help Finlayson over it I suppose.

    • NZFemme 6.3

      Until 2003, every Government since 1977 has allowed the GCSB to operate with no legislative framework.

      • Sable 6.3.1

        That’s not the same as saying that statutory law does not apply. Nice try, no cigar….

        • NZFemme 6.3.1.1

          Sable, agree with you. Just pointing out to syrlands that the issue of the GCSB dates back to its formation under Muldoon. Holding Sir G accountable is disingenuous.

          • Ugly Truth 6.3.1.1.1

            And even back to the end of the second world war if you look at NZ as pat of the UKUSA agreement. Scapegoating individual politicians serves no purpose, the underlying issue is bigger than that.

            The UKUSA agreement was a response to the perceived threat of communism during the cold war, while today the perceived threat is militant Islamism.

            Both threats were in part manufactured by the US, with the US supplying Russia with nuclear materials via Lend-Lease and al Qaeda developing from US intervention in Afghanistan before the Russians invaded.

            NZ ministers as employees of the Crown have an interest in maintaining the status quo, so taking the conventional political approach can not fix the the problem.

      • Tracey 6.3.2

        Stop putting facts into the discussion… srylands at least has admitted over on the asset sale (40k) thread that he posted something that he had no factual basis for….

    • yeshe 6.4

      maybe you and winston smith can get married some time soon ? like minds and all that .. marriage made in heaven !

  7. Nicolas 7

    Honestly, I do get slightly annoyed when people evoke Palmer’s authority to justify just about anything.

    I’m probably a bit too idealistic, but I cannot forget he presided over a government which promoted fundamental changes to our socioeconomic framework, creating, in the process, serious problems we are having to deal with today.

    Regardless of Palmer’s attempts to create a supreme Bill of Rights, some of his actions during the fourth Labour government, particularly in respect to the SOE Bill, were, indeed, a fucking disgrace.

    Please, don’t think I’m endorsing Finlayson’s speech; I’m just not comfortable referencing Palmer too much, that’s all.

    • Tracey 7.1

      I hear what you are saying, however when it comes to constitutional law he is well-regarded and well read. This Act is a constitutional issue.

      • grumpy 7.1.1

        He is well regarded by himself and those with no memory of what a stupid, pompous overblown twit he was/is.

      • Ugly Truth 7.1.2

        Yes it is a constitutional issue, and Palmer is well read in constitutional law. The problem in referencing Palmer is that he is still a part of the system which ignores the heart out of the rule of law by misrepresenting the nature of the common law. This can technically be described as corruption, perversion, and hypocrisy.

        One possible response to this state of affairs is to stop endorsing the current system by calling their rules “law”. While sovereignty is typically described as being the essential element necessary to make law, the fact that the NZ parliament describes itself as being sovereign does not mean that their rules have force of law.

    • weka 7.2

      “Regardless of Palmer’s attempts to create a supreme Bill of Rights, some of his actions during the fourth Labour government, particularly in respect to the SOE Bill, were, indeed, a fucking disgrace.”

      Has he changed?

  8. Winston Smith 8

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/08/the_gcsb_law.html

    Farrer puts the changes into perspective

    • Tracey 8.1

      he overlooks one thing… maybe the previous law needed bigger changes?

      Fundamentally he does not address why the PM would not put into law what he says is safeguarded by him? A few words, that’s all it took, but he refused. It is hard to escape the conclusion that he knows the GCSB will want to spy on NZers cyber communication at some point, and he will want the wiggle-room to allow it. Otherwise, he would have added the few words required.

      The PM also knows that no one will know they are being spied upon to challenge the law.

      The PM also didn’t correctly oversee the GCSB before, so he now makes legal something that was illegal to make it alright?

    • Crashcart 8.2

      All DPF did was cherry pick the parts of the bill he thought he could spin best and ignore everything else. As pointed out in the comments he completely ignored any changes that didn’t suit his argument. All it did was pander to those who are looknig for a reason to be happy with the bill….like yourself.

      • Tracey 8.2.1

        His is just one view. I don’t know why folks who can think for themselves think that one person can be right about something as complex as this. I have followed Farrar’s musings on this topic but I don’t presume him to have nailed the definitive explanation.

      • Hayden 8.2.2

        Clark: makes no mention of hand-washing

        Key: Director must wash hands for 20 seconds after using toilet, 30 seconds if Number 2s.

      • mickysavage 8.2.3

        Farrar’s post is disingenuous in the extreme.

        There is one major difference between the old legislation and the new law. It used to be that “[n]either the Director, nor an employee of the Bureau, nor a person acting on behalf of the Bureau may authorise or take any action for the purpose of intercepting the communications of a person (not being a foreign organisation or a foreign person) who is a New Zealand citizen or a permanent resident.”

        Now everything is up for grabs. Hear that WS? And it is very likely that the data will find its way to the US.

        BTW National also voted for the 2003 Act.

  9. Adrian 9

    Finlayson is serously strange, after years of working in law in wellington he appeared to have absolutely no friends. When he tried to celebrate the opening of his vineyard/olive grove/new house in Marlborough he had to pay a half a dozen aquaintances to turn up, airfares, taxis etc. P.s, by the way, the vineyard olive grove went tits up, he couldn’t even run a piss up in a vineyard.

    • emergency mike 9.1

      Sounds about right. For me he is one of the most intuitively disturbing, cold, empty, calculating people in NAct. And that’s saying something.

    • tc 9.2

      Maybe him and Simon Powers can get together over a few taxpayer funded pinots.

      It’s not strange it’s just what happens when you give kids matches….they burn stuff down and end up hurting themselves.

      An olive grove…ffs doesn’t pay much attention does he a very saturated market with a long term view being required.

  10. wyndham 10

    I think Mr. Findlayson must be a very unhappy soul. He appears to brim over with poisonous venom which he directs at anyone with differing views to himself. Seldom, when replying to questions in the House or when engaged in debate does he let up from sarcasm, nastiness and insult.

    It was quite unnecessary for him to attack Dame Anne, Sir Geoffrey or Mr. Davidson. In fact he did so deliberately after having concluded the main thrust of his speech. It was the act of a person that actually hates his fellow beings.

    • Winston Smith 10.1

      What attacking? He pointed out that Ferguson and Palmer are deeply partisan, whats so wrong with that?

    • grumpy 10.2

      Anyone who invoke Godwin’s Law as a sitter (and should be) for attack. Both from Left and Right.

      • Tracey 10.2.1

        why? How is it different to calling people communists or commies or pinkos or reds? Godwins law has become a simple out for those not prepared to challenge the assertion with intelligent counter-argument.

        The facists state of Germany absolutely began with this kind of passage of law and more crucially these kinds of tactics to get approval for it.

        Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Just because the “armies” may be shielded by Boardrooms doesn’t mean a threat doesn’t exist.

        • grumpy 10.2.1.1

          ….but the “this kind of passage of law ” was passed in 2003 by Labour with no uproar from the Left. This is just a clarifying amendment that actually tightens and clarifies the dodgy bits.

          Are you saying the last Labour government were Nazis? Surely not Helen too?

          • Pascal's bookie 10.2.1.1.1

            If this clarifies the 2003 law, perhaps you can point to the various arguments from legal people back in 03 questioning what that law meant, and we’ll compare it the list doing so this time around.

          • NZFemme 10.2.1.1.2

            It is really clear from the 2003 debates in Hansard that New Zealand Citizens and Permanent Residents were off limits to the GCSB, There is no suggestion from any of the Parties debating in the house that there was any idea that such a thing was being put forward in the legislation. Not one. The 2003 legislation was voted through under that spirit of understanding.

            If anything needed tightening up, it was the removal of any ambiguity that allowed the GCSB to spy on 88 NZ’s illegally; not by making it legal henceforth, but by removing any doubt what so ever that NZ’s and Permanent residents could be spied on at all.

        • NZFemme 10.2.1.2

          *This*

          “The facists state of Germany absolutely began with this kind of passage of law and more crucially these kinds of tactics to get approval for it. ”

          Particularly when it has been those pushing for the amendments who have been invoking the “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear” mantra, with its direct line to historical German fascism.

          • grumpy 10.2.1.2.1

            So, what tactics did Labour use in 2003 to initially pass an even dodgier law? Or was it that because it was Labour, the Left never really cared?

            ….and why did Palmer as a Labour PM, operate the GCSB with no legal restraints whatsoever, was this also because it was Labour, the left didn’t care.

            Seems to be very close to “it’s not what is being done but who is doing it”….and that, my friends is hypocrisy.

            • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.2.1.2.1.1

              Bullshit.

              Since you seem to be in too much of a hurry to answer PB’s question: here it is again:

              “If this clarifies the 2003 law, perhaps you can point to the various arguments from legal people back in 03 questioning what that law meant, and we’ll compare it the list doing so this time around.”

              Put up or shut up, authoritarian trash.

        • weka 10.2.1.3

          “Anyone who invoke Godwin’s Law as a sitter (and should be) for attack. Both from Left and Right.”

          I can’t actually make sense of that grammatically, but talking about Hitler or Nazis or fascists in the context of contemporary politics is not invoking Godwin’s Law. As Tracey mentioned, accusations of invoking Godwins is now a simplistic (lazy) out (besides which is it usually used incorrectly, as above).

      • Tracey 10.2.2

        she also pointed out Key was a hypocrite by quoting him on democracy. YP she’s evil and needs to be personally abused. Finlayson as the face of our justice system is a hero today.

        • grumpy 10.2.2.1

          Some people are doomed to being made made to look stupid. They are the ones who start out with an untenable position and/or make wild assertions not supported by the facts or are so partisan and compromised that they lose sense of reality.

          Ferguson, Palmer and Salmond fit into all those categories.

          • thatguynz 10.2.2.1.1

            Lol, but you don’t right? Wow, you’re starting to sound like John Key.. You sure you’re not him?

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 10.2.2.1.2

            And the Law Society are wrong too. And the Privacy Commission. Partisan and compromised the lot of them.

            No, wait, it seems more likely that Grumpy is tripping.

            • grumpy 10.2.2.1.2.1

              Not the Law Society, just Harrison – another flake.

              • jen

                grumpy, the law society opposes the bill and chose Rodney Harrison as spokesperson The Law Society’s submission was prepared collectively by a number of its members. They have since corresponded with Chris Finlayson standing by their submissions and explaining in some detail why the amendments agreed to by the government
                do not protect New Zealanders and New Zealand companies adequately. Its not just Rodney Harrison who opposes it.

    • Tiger Mountain 10.3

      More like self loathing that Finlayson transfers to others, still unpleasant to watch or be the recipient of. MPs all have their reasons I guess.

      How about Richard Prebble twice married to women with multiple children fathered by other men, but never fathered one himself. Gerry Brownlee the calorie king, subject of many jibes yet seems like not much ever gets him down. Hilary whats her name? Calvert whose eyes graced a knocking shop display ad. And so on.

  11. Hannah 11

    I thought it was a brilliant speech! Right on the button.

  12. Louise 12

    Hannah, right on the button alright, revealed the level of obsequious aquiescence only John Key could demand of his followers. Watching them yesterday,fawning and mincing around John made them look more like a cult than the Government.Phil’s response to Finlayson was inspiring and made more sense than any of the drivel from the Right, what an awful week in politics all around, it can only get better.

    • Hannah 12.1

      What labour wouldn’t give for a bit of fawning and mincing around their leader – any leader.!

  13. Delia 13

    When I watched Chris Finlayson I must say I was surprised and for a moment it reminded me of Oswald Moseley who led the British Fascists.

    • BrucetheMoose 13.1

      Not sure why, but has connotations of Himmler where I am concerned. But that’s just me.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Death to our lockdown enemies!
    We must root out the traitors among us! ...
    Imperator FishBy Scott Yorke
    9 hours ago
  • Climate Change: The benefits of electrification
    In order to meet our 2050 carbon target and do our bit to avoid making the Earth uninhabitable, New Zealand needs to decarbonise our economy, replacing fossil fuels with electricity in the energy, industrial and transport sectors. The good news is that it will mean cheaper power for all of ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    17 hours ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 8 (sanitised version)
    For those folk who find my other Lock-Down Diary versions too “negative” or otherwise unpalatable… Here’s a photo of a pretty flower, .   . Better? Tomorrow’s Sanitised Version: a cute animal video. . . . =fs= ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    18 hours ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 8
    . . April 2: Day eight of living in lock-down… Today, my work day starts late. Our rosters and clients have been dramatically changed, lessening (theoretically) the number of people in our work “bubble”.  If just one of us catches covid19 the impact could be considerable as Grey Base Hospital ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    18 hours ago
  • A note on apartments and bubbles
    As Aotearoa enters week two of lockdown, it’s clear we’re all still working out what our “bubbles” look like and how to stay in them to stop the spread of Covid-19. New to the government’s Covid-19 website is some good guidance for people living in apartment blocks. Recent decades have ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    21 hours ago
  • Getting in futures shape 
    “There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” Lenin Don’t we all know that feeling now.

    Prospect Magazine alerted me to this particularly apt quote. It is a much more evocative quote than Hemingway’s “gradually then suddenly” which is also doing ...

    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    22 hours ago
  • Maybe axing Clark would be unfair. But what about any of this is fair?
    Yesterday was the day the consequences of the lockdown suddenly got very real for many. Firms have been closing and laying people off since the outset of the quarantine but this has mostly been happening out of the public eye. The mass closure of a number of iconic New Zealand ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    22 hours ago
  • Might a ‘Coasean’ social contract mitigate overall societal harm from COVID-19?
    Brian Williamson1, Prof Nick Wilson2 (1Economic consultant, UK; 2University of Otago Wellington) In this blog, we outline how a win-win social contract could be forged to address the major dimensions of response to the COVID-19 pandemic when using a mitigation strategy: the particular need to protect older people from high ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    23 hours ago
  • Returning To “Normalcy”.
    Resuming Normal Service: The Republican Party's nominee for in 1920, Warren Harding, promised the American people: “not heroics, but healing; not nostrums, but normalcy; not revolution, but restoration”. If she wishes to remain our prime minister, then Jacinda Ardern will offer New Zealanders the same.HOW EDUCATED AMERICA snickered when the ...
    23 hours ago
  • New Zealand’s Government Must Save New Zealand’s Media.
    No Free Society Without A Free And Functioning News Media: If we are to surrender our civil rights to the broader cause of defeating Covid-19, then foreign corporations must, likewise, surrender their right to inflict immense economic and cultural harm on New Zealanders simply because it improves their bottom line.I’M ...
    24 hours ago
  • Corona fevers and the madness of models
    by Daphna Whitmore A third of the world is under lockdown and a clear assessment of this measure to curb the spread of COVID-19 is urgently needed.  With any high-stakes decisions it has to be asked what are we dealing with here? Are the measures warranted? Will they achieve their ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 day ago
  • Lockdown day 8
    I haven’t done a huge amount in the last few days. I’m reading The Poppy War and I’ve sort of poked at a couple of games – I started SOMA but I’m a wimp and I quit while in the first room after the brain scan. I might try it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    1 day ago
  • Backstage and Theatre
    The swan politicians may be gliding on the water, occasionally snapping at one another. Meanwhile, as the Covid19 crisis illustrates, the officials are desperately paddling below providing the real locomotion. One of the most fatuous recent grandstanding comments (of about a week ago), adding to the public’s anxieties, was ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 day ago
  • Legal Beagle: Waiver, the singular Crown and the conduct of Crown legal business
    Much has been written about the importance of discretion in an emergency situation, and the concerns raised by the potential for it to be exercised arbitrarily. Given the quality of the discussion, there seemed little point in adding to it at any length. In particular, I point to the evidence ...
    1 day ago
  • Highlights from Bauer Media’s science-related reporting
    Today has felt surreal. I was all set to touch base online with my science communication students when a colleague shared the news that Bauer Media would be shutting down its publications immediately. The first link I saw implied it was Woman’s Weekly affected, and even that shocked me. But ...
    SciBlogsBy Sarah-Jane O'Connor
    2 days ago
  • Outsiders.
    Bogeymen, Real And Imagined: Is the number of psychopathic and sociopathic individuals in any given society truly as vanishingly small as we like to tell ourselves? Isn’t it more likely that the mass-shooters and serial-killers filling the headlines represent only the tip of a much, much larger iceberg of frightfulness? ...
    2 days ago
  • We have a right to know the rules we are expected to obey
    Outgoing Police Commissioner Mike Bush appeared before the Epidemic Response Committee today, who asked him for the rules police are using to enforce the lockdown. He refused:Police Commissioner Mike Bush has admitted the advice given to Kiwis about what they're able to do during the lockdown hasn't been clear enough. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 7 (sanitised version)
    For those folk who find my other Lock-Down Diary versions too “negative” or otherwise unpalatable… Here’s a photo of my cat, . . Better? Tomorrow’s Sanitised Version: a pretty flower. . . . =fs= ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 7
    . . April 1: Day seven of living in lock-down… This morning I had a brief chat with one of my neighbours, “D” (social distance between us, a good three or four metres). I learned he had resigned from his previous job and had been hired by another company – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    2 days ago
  • RIP The Listener, New Zealand’s pioneering voice
    Funnily enough, my thought as I start this post is whether it will be well written enough. Or should that be well enough written? Because so much of what I know about good writing came from my two stints at The Listener, which this morning was shut down due to ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    2 days ago
  • OK, Britney: stop sniping at National for doing its job
    With normal democratic procedures in abeyance, there were two ways to go. First, it was open for the government to dissolve itself and invite the National Party to join a ministry of national salvation. That would have lessened the democratic deficit of the times by having a team of rivals without ...
    PunditBy Liam Hehir
    2 days ago
  • Helpful tips for parents during lockdown
    Dr Kirsty Ross Children and young people can respond differently in times of distress. This also varies by age and developmental stage, with younger children having more magical and imaginative thinking, and older children having more awareness and knowledge of the issues our communities are facing (which brings up ...
    SciBlogsBy Guest Author
    2 days ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #13, 2020
    2 days ago
  • Hungary is now a dictatorship
    Hungary has been a virtual dictatorship for a decade now, as Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has gradually eroded its democracy. But now, its official, with the passage of an indefinite emergency law allowing rule by decree:Hungary’s parliament has passed a new set of coronavirus measures that includes jail terms for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • A new Ministry of Works
    While the economy is on pause under lockdown, the government is beginning to plan how to cope with the post-lockdown, post-tourism, post-export education world we will eventually find ourselves in. They're planning a lot of infrastructure spending as economic stimulus, and have asked for proposals which can start the moment ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Capture: Well spaced out
    It's my distraction,  setting up tiny scenes to photograph.  I've got stuck on the Babushka dolls for now.  Something about their bubble shape.  Something about their never changing, smiling features, suggesting persistent equanimity.  Can we get through everything that is being thrown at us and keep at least a tiny ...
    3 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 6
    . . March 31: Day six of living in lock-down… This time I managed to sleep a little longer and the alarm woke me at the pre-set time: 6.55am. Then remembered I was working a later shift and could’ve slept in. Oh well, there are things to do at home. ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    3 days ago
  • March ’20 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    Image credit: Diamond Harbour School Blogs I notice a few regulars no longer allow public access to the site counters. This may happen accidentally when the blog format is altered. If your blog is unexpectedly missing or ...
    3 days ago
  • Hard News: Poll Pot and the partisans
    Yesterday's Horizon poll showing support for a "Yes" vote in this year's cannabis referendum sliding into the majority for the first time in a year looked like good news for reformers – and it probably is. But the result warrants some scrutiny.The poll is the fifth in a series commissioned ...
    3 days ago
  • Why those bubbles are so important
    For almost a week now, every one of us who isn’t an essential worker has been confined to their bubble. We are allowed to go shopping for groceries, to visit the doctor, and to get a bit of exercise if we stay local. The reason we are doing this is ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    3 days ago
  • A Government System That Works
    The Covid-19 saga will no doubt produce many twists and turns for us before it is finally brought to an end. But one thing it has shown us – and what comfort it should bring us – is that our country’s government is in good hands. I am not thinking ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago
  • Smashing down the barriers: Where are we at with COVID vaccines?
    In the absence of a vaccine or a cure for a deadly disease, staying home in your bubble is what you do, the concept is not new.  To the best of my knowledge last time we did this in NZ was for polio, in the years before a vaccine came ...
    SciBlogsBy Helen Petousis Harris
    3 days ago
  • National Network on Cuba (USA): “Cuban medical solidarity is a pillar of its society and is founde...
    The following statement was released on March 28 by the National Network on Cuba, a coalition of 40 groups, based in the United States. In recent weeks, Cuba has deployed hundreds of medical providers to over a dozen countries in Europe, Asia, as well as to their neighbors in Latin ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    3 days ago
  • Alarming decrease in calves increases fears for endangered Hector’s dolphin
    This has been a terrible summer for Hector’s dolphins. The first indication was very low numbers of dolphin sightings during late spring and early summer. The Otago University Marine Mammal Research Team has carried out routine dolphin surveys at Banks Peninsula for more than 30 years. In all that time, ...
    SciBlogsBy Otago Marine Science
    3 days ago
  • Time for Grant Robertson to reveal package #2?
    On March 17, Finance Minister Grant Robertson was quick out of the blocks with an economic rescue package to help businesses through the inevitable recession resulting from the coronavirus pandemic. Robertson had pulled together a scheme in short order that so far seems to have saved many jobs. In his ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    4 days ago
  • Saving lives
    The purpose of the lockdown is to save lives, by reducing the spread of covid-19. We won't know if its really working for another week, but given the devastation that will result if it doesn't - 14,000 dead is the optimistic scenario - its definitely worth trying. But pausing the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 5
    . . March 30: Day five of living in lock-down… Woke up still in darkness. Alarm hadn’t gone off. Turn to radio clock; it’s a few minutes after 6am… I lie there in the dark, waiting to drift off to sleep… but it ain’t happening. Clock ticks over to 6.55 ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    4 days ago
  • Speaker: Les Gray: the man who told the truth
    The story of Les Gray, the public sector psychologist who told the truth about his use of cannabis and set off a storm, has a special place in the lore of cannabis reform in New Zealand.When Paul Shannon interviewed Gray for the 'Dope and Hope' issue of Planet magazine in ...
    4 days ago
  • Why now? Historical specificity and the perfect storm that has created trans identity politics
    by Phil Duncan For Marxists, a key concern about social trends is their context – not just their causes, but why they happen when they do.  Events and phenomena have causes, but they also are time or period-specific. While much of the left have capitulated recently to postmodernism, most notably ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Time for a living wage for supermarket workers
    Since the lockdown began, we've all suddenly been reminded who the actually essential workers in our society are: not the people at the top who pay themselves the big bucks and rort the perks, but the people at the bottom they screw over and squeeze: cleaners, warehouse staff, truck drivers ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Hard News: MUSIC: Lockdown Grooves
    Kia ora! As I've watched nearly all my remaining work vanish over the past couple of days, it has occured to me that one good way to keep me away from arguing with fools on Twitter all the time (in the knowledge that all we're really doing is processing our ...
    5 days ago
  • A place of greater safety?
    Aotearoa New Zealand has committed to trying to extirpate the virus that causes COVID-19 from its shores. To do that, as a society we’ve moved to “Level 4”. That means adapting to unprecedented restrictions on our personal freedoms, particularly to our rights to move freely and associate with friends and ...
    PunditBy Andrew Geddis
    5 days ago
  • The police and public trust
    When the Prime Minister declared a state of emergency last week, she handed the police powers to enforce it. And almost immediately, we started hearing about heavy-handed, arbitrary "enforcement" by police who (at best) cared more about order than law, or (more likely) had no idea what the rules were ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 4
    . . Lock Down: Day 4 – A photo essay with observations . March 29: Usual wake up routine as RNZ snaps on my radio-clock. Jim Mora’s voice slowly enters my conciousness; there’s talk of a second wave of covid19 taking hold in South Korea; the week in Parliament – ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    5 days ago
  • COVID-19 vs New Zealand
    Yesterday, New Zealand recorded its first Covid-19 related death on the West Coast. Unfortunately this is unlikely to be the only fatality, with the virus now being found in every region of the country.However despite the significant danger, people are still unfortunately breaching lockdown rules.There’s really only one main very ...
    5 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming Digest #13
    Story of the Week... Toon of the Week... Coming Soon on SkS... Climate Feedback Claim Review... SkS Week in Review... Poster of the Week... Story of the Week... ‘Misinformation kills’: The link between coronavirus conspiracies and climate denial   Grist / Rob Kim / Stringer / CSA Images  Scientific ...
    5 days ago
  • Rāhui day 4
    The kids did surprisingly well today – meltdown count was about 3, and mostly fairly short ones. (And a fourth while I was writing.) Game-wise I had a go at Fell Seal: Arbiter’s Mark. It’s a fairly standard RPG with turn-based combat and what they call a “mature storyline” (it ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    5 days ago
  • Letter to a friend
    by Don Franks Hi David, Nice hearing from you, I’m glad to hear you’re getting by okay in these grim times. You asked how’s it going for us back here in New Zealand. You would have heard that the whole country is locked down and with breaks for exercise and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 3
    . . Lock Down: Day 3 – A photo essay with observations . March 28: First day of the first weekend in Lock Down. It feels like it’s been weeks since only Level 3 was declared last Tuesday, only four days ago. Woke up this morning to RNZ; coffee; toast, ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • 2020 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #13
    A chronological listing of news articles linked to on the Skeptical Science Facebook Page during the past week, i.e., Sun, Mar 22, 2020 through Sat, Mar 28, 2020 Articles Linked to on Facebook Sun, Mar 22, 2020 In Just 10 Years, Warming Has Increased the Odds of Disasters by Chelsea Harvey, ...
    6 days ago
  • Rāhui day 3
    I’m here in lockdown with my flatmate and her two girls (6 and 2) and it. is. a time. They’re usually really active so to start with the only boardgame in the house is the copy of Guess Who that the 6 year old got for her birthday. Flatmate commented ...
    The little pakehaBy chrismiller
    6 days ago
  • A test of civil society.
    The CV-19 (COVID) pandemic has seen the imposition of a government ordered national quarantine and the promulgation of a series of measures designed to spread the burden of pain and soften the economic blow on the most strategically important and most vulnerable sectors of society. The national narrative is framed ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    7 days ago
  • Life in Lock Down: Day 2
    . . Lock Down: Day 2 – A photo essay with observations . March 27 – Day 2 of our Strange New World. The Park and Ride near my suburb, usually filled with hundreds of vehicles, had just… four; . . Another drive into Wellington City on a highway nearly ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • How Do You Feel? What Do You Think?
    Fortune's Children: Under extraordinary pressure, the leader of the Government and the leader of the Opposition will each show us what they are made of. Have they been blessed with intelligence, grace, wit, poise, toughness, empathy and humour – and in what measure? More importantly, to what extent have they ...
    7 days ago
  • Landlords are NOT an essential service
    If you’ve ever had the misfortune of having to rent a property on the open market in New Zealand, which is one of the most expensive in the entire world, you’ll likely be keenly aware of just how arrogant and entitled landlords and their real estate agents can be.Unfortunately for ...
    7 days ago
  • A “new Society” post-COVID19 will definitely emerge. The question is: on what path?
    Society-wise, aside from the specific morbidity shall we say of the medically-oriented aspects of this COVID-19 crisis, what is unfolding before the world is in more than one way an instructive study of humanity and reactions to a high intensity, high stress environment in real time. Friends, we are at ...
    exhALANtBy exhalantblog
    1 week ago
  • Raise the Bar: Everything you need to know about the wage subsidy
    Right now low waged and insecure workers are feeling the economic brunt of the looming #Covid19 Recession. In response legal advocate Toby Cooper* and hospitality and worker’s rights advocate Chloe Ann-King, are putting together a series of legal blogs about your employment rights: In this legal blog we outline some ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago
  • The massacre of prisoners in Modelo jail, Bogota, March 21
    by Equipo Jurídico Pueblos and Gearóid Ó Loingsigh (25/03/2020) An escape plan in question On the night of March 21st and the early morning of the 22nd, the forces of the Colombian state stormed into the Modelo prison in Bogotá, murdering 23 prisoners and injuring 83, in response to the ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • We are not America
    When the government banned semi-automatic weapons in response to a terrorist atrocity, gun-nuts were outraged. Mired in toxic American gun culture, they thought owning weapons whose sole purpose was killing people was some sort of "constitutional right", a necessity for "defending themselves" against the government. Now, the Court of Appeal ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • When will we know the lockdown is working?
    Just before midnight on Wednesday March 25, Aotearoa New Zealand entered a countrywide alert level four lockdown. For at least the next four weeks, everyone who isn’t an essential worker is confined to their bubble. We are doing this to stop the explosive growth in people contracting and dying from ...
    SciBlogsBy Siouxsie Wiles
    1 week ago
  • Lock Down: Day 1
    . . Lock Down: Day 1 – A photo essay with observations . Day one of the Level 4 nationwide lock-down (or, DefCon 4 as I sometimes cheekily call it) started at 11.59PM on 25 March. For a moment, most of the nation held it’s collective breath. In that brief ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • A Compelling Recollection.
    Broad, Sunlit Uplands: How those words fired my young imagination! Or, perhaps, it is more accurate to say: how those words fused, in my young mind, with the image printed on every packet of Fielder’s Cornflour. Always fascinated by history, especially modern history, I cannot hear Churchill’s wonderfully evocative words, even ...
    1 week ago
  • The Warehouse – where everyone gets a virus
    . . 24 March 2020 9.46AM Number of covid19 cases in Aotearoa New Zealand: 102 . As of 11.59 on Thursday, most of New Zealand will go into “lock down”. People will be expected not to travel to work; not to socialise; and to stay home. I will not be ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Aggressive action to address climate change could save the world $145 trillion
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections A respected research group, Project Drawdown, finds that deploying solutions consistent with meeting the Paris climate targets would cost tens of trillions of dollars globally. But crucially, those outlays would also yield long-term savings many times larger than the up-front costs. The new 2020 Drawdown ...
    1 week ago
  • After the Pandemic
    It will pass. What happens next? Not immediately, but longer term. There are many opinions, fewer certainties. Will it “change everything!” as many confidently, and contradictorily predict? In this post I look at how foresight can help bound some of the uncertainties so you can more objectively consider the future. ...
    SciBlogsBy Robert Hickson
    1 week ago
  • Coronavirus – Cuba shows the way
    We’ve been meaning t write something on Cuba and the coronavirus but have just discovered a very good article on the subject in the US left publication Jacobin.  The article looks at how Cuba, a poor country but one where capitalism has been done away with, is leading the way ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Using privacy law to prevent the death penalty
    In 2018, El Shafee Elsheikh and Alexanda Kotey - two British citizens who had purportedly been stripped of their citizenship by the British government - were captured while fighting for Isis in Syria. The British government then conspired to hand them over to the US, and agreed to provide evidence ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • It’s Time For Disaster Socialism.
    Transformers: The disaster of the Great Depression was transformed into a new and fairer society by the democratic socialism of the First Labour Government. The disaster of the Covid-19 Pandemic offers a similar transformative possibility to the Labour-NZ First-Green Government. Seize the time, Jacinda! You will never have a better ...
    1 week ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #12, 2020
    Tamper with The System? Well, we already are. But there's a difference between accidentally trickling sand into a precision gearbox versus formulating a plan to alter it on the fly with improvements in mind. One action is more or less innocently unscrupulous, the other amenable to earning an easy ...
    1 week ago
  • Avoidable hospitalisations: Helping our health system get through COVID-19
    Associate Prof George Thomson, Louise Delany, Prof Nick Wilson While it is possible that New Zealand can use intense public health controls to eradicate COVID-19 from the country – we must also plan for other scenarios where thousands of New Zealanders are sick – including many urgently hospitalised.1 Better resilience ...
    SciBlogsBy Public Health Expert
    1 week ago
  • Raise the Bar: 10 questions to ask your employer proposing redundancy
    Kia ora my name is Chloe Ann-King* and I am the founder of Raise the Bar, a campaign and non-profit that gives free legal aid, advocacy and tautoko to hospitality workers in Aotearoa. Right now all over our country hospo workers are being fired at will, having shifts cut or being ...
    PosseBy chloeanneking
    1 week ago
  • An equitable way to support business
    The Herald reports that the government is planning to lend billions of dollars to large businesses to keep them operating during the pandemic. As with mortgage relief, this is necessary: we need companies to stay in business, to reduce the economic damage and help things get restarted again when this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Hard News: Together Alone
    We're about to do something unprecedented as a nation. We hope that by taking this extraordinary action before a single life in New Zealand has been lost to the deadly novel virus we will save tens of thousands of lives. Our  lives. We'll do it together, in households, in isolation ...
    1 week ago
  • Why timing is everything: ‘A time to refrain from embracing’ starts today
    “There is a time for everything,    and a season for every activity under the heavens.”So writes the author of Ecclesiastes, a book in the Old Testament that’s counted as a ‘wisdom’ book and written as if by an unnamed king of Jerusalem. But who would have thought there would be a time ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    1 week ago
  • Dealing with the Covid-19 Tsunami.
    I was surprised when the prime minister described the Economic Response to Covid-19 package as the ‘largest peacetime government spend in New Zealand's history’. Reflecting – checking through history – I realised that the term ‘spend’ was crucial and the package had no income tax cuts. Even so, it has ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    1 week ago

  • Further measures to support businesses
    The Government will be introducing legislation to make changes to the Companies Act to help companies facing insolvency due to COVID-19 to remain viable and keep New Zealanders in jobs. The temporary changes include: Giving directors of companies facing significant liquidity problems because of COVID-19 a ‘safe harbour’ from insolvency ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    15 hours ago
  • Govt’s COVID plan, economic strength recognised
    The Government’s plan to cushion the blow of COVID-19 by supporting incomes, jobs and businesses, and position the economy to recover has been backed by another international report. International credit rating agency Moody’s today reaffirmed its highest Aaa credit rating on New Zealand, saying the economy is expected to remain ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    19 hours ago
  • Funding certainty for sports through COVID-19
    National sports organisations have been given certainty of funding to ensure they can remain viable through the COVID-19 pandemic, Sport and Recreation Minister Grant Robertson announced today. “The global spread of COVID-19 has had a significant impact on sport and recreation in New Zealand, including the cancellation or postponement of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Butchers now allowed to process pork
    Changes have been made to allow butchers to process pork, only for supply to supermarkets or other processors or retailers that are open, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor has announced. “We carefully weighed the risk of allowing butchers to open their shops for retail customers, but the risk of spreading COVID-19 ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Essential workers leave scheme established
    Essential workers who take leave from work to comply with public health guidance are being supported with a leave scheme to ensure they will continue to receive income, say the Minister of Workplace Relations and Safety Iain Lees-Galloway and Minister for Social Development, Carmel Sepuloni. A number of essential businesses ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Govt WhatsApp helps share COVID-19 information
    A Government WhatsApp channel has been launched to help make information more easily accessible and shareable in the fight against COVID-19. Govt.NZ, which is free to use on any mobile device, will carry information and news for the public, businesses, healthcare providers, not for profits and local government. It can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Managed departure plan for stranded foreign nationals enables safe, orderly exit
    The Government has announced a plan to enable the safe, orderly exit of tens of thousands of stranded foreign nationals from New Zealand during the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 restrictions, Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters has said. “When we moved into lockdown a week ago, the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government delivers COVID-19 support to GPs and Pharmacies
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says the Government is delivering on its commitment to support general practice doctors and nurses, and pharmacies on the front-line of our fight against COVID-19. "For us to overcome COVID-19, we need community health services such as general practice and community pharmacy to step up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Susan Thomas the new Chief High Court Judge
    Justice Susan Thomas has been appointed Chief High Court Judge, Attorney-General David Parker announced today.  She replaces Justice Geoffrey Venning who has resigned from the position.   David Parker paid tribute to Justice Venning, who he said had stewarded the High Court very capably over the last five years.   “On behalf ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Business Finance Guarantee – applications open
    Businesses can start applying to their banks for loans under the Business Finance Guarantee Scheme set up to support the New Zealand economy during the COVID-19 pandemic. “We’re moving quickly to protect New Zealand businesses, jobs and the economy during this unprecedented global economic shock,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Work starts on ways to fast-track consents to boost recovery from Covid-19 downturn
    Work is underway looking at measures to speed up consents for development and infrastructure projects during the recovery from COVID 19, to provide jobs and stimulate our economy.  Environment Minister David Parker said the COVID-19 pandemic is a serious global crisis that will have a wide ranging and lasting impact ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Advance payments to support contractors
    Advance payments will be made to transport construction industry contractors to retain the workforce and ensure it is ready to quickly gear up to build projects which will be vital to New Zealand’s COVID-19 economic recovery, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. He said keeping the workforce required to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Government seeks infrastructure projects
    The Government has tasked a group of industry leaders to seek out infrastructure projects that are ready to start as soon as the construction industry returns to normal to reduce the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford and Infrastructure Minister Shane Jones say. The Infrastructure ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Health system scaled up to prepare for COVID-19
    Work to scale up the health system in preparation for COVID-19 was today outlined by Health Minister David Clark, as he reported back to the new Epidemic Response Committee. “We are well placed to contain the spread of COVID-19. We have taken early and decisive action at our borders, and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Essential media COVID-19 guidelines refined
    The Government is refining its COVID-19 essential business guidance to include the distribution of news publications for communities which are hard to reach. The Minister of Broadcasting, Communications and Digital Media, Kris Faafoi, said the move was in recognition of the importance for New Zealanders who might be harder to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Supermarkets able to open on Easter Sunday
    The Government is ensuring supermarkets can open on Easter Sunday so we can buy groceries, but stay closed on Good Friday allowing workers to take a break. This provides a balanced approach and ensures we avoid large queues that two days closure may cause. “Supermarkets will be able to open ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New Zealand defence personnel conclude mission at Taji
    Following the successful conclusion of the Building Partner Capacity (BPC) mission at Taji, New Zealand defence personnel are returning to New Zealand from Iraq, in accordance with the Cabinet decision made in June 2019, Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters and Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today. “New Zealand is very ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • State of National Emergency extended
    The State of National Emergency to help stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended for a further seven days, Minister of Civil Defence Peeni Henare said. The initial declaration on March 25 lasted seven days and can be extended as many times as necessary. “Since we went into isolation ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Strong Govt books support ‘go hard, go early’ response
    New Zealand’s ability to go hard and go early in the fight against COVID-19 has been underpinned by strong Government finances and the growing economy heading into this global pandemic, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. The Treasury today released the Crown financial statements for the eight months to the end ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Christchurch Hospital Hagley ICU to open to support COVID-19 response
    Health Minister Dr David Clark says 36 new intensive care beds at Christchurch Hospital’s new Hagley building are being fast tracked so they are available for treatment of COVID-19 patients.   The Ministry of Health is working with contractor CPB and Canterbury DHB to enable access to the hospital’s ICU, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Government supports Air NZ freight flights
    The Government has fast-tracked up to $1 million to help Air New Zealand move urgent freight to and from New Zealand, with the first flight to Shanghai leaving tonight, Transport Minister Phil Twyford announced today. Phil Twyford says it’s crucial that trade in vital goods such as medical supplies and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Tariff concessions on COVID-19 related products
    New Zealand will temporarily remove tariffs on all medical and hygiene imports needed for the COVID-19 response. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker and Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said today that the New Zealand Customs Service will apply tariff concessions to all diagnostic reagents and testing ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Clarification of modification to wage subsidy scheme
    Minister of Finance Grant Robertson has clarified that the changes to the wage subsidy scheme announced yesterday mean that employers should be passing on the full subsidy to workers, except in the case where the person’s normal income is less than the level of the subsidy. “We still want employers ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Face masks flowing to DHBs
    Medical face masks from the national reserve supply are now being distributed to District Health Boards, while at the same time local production is being ramped up. Yesterday more than 640,000 masks were sent to DHBS – that is an immediate two week supply, with more to follow in coming ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Further steps to protect New Zealanders’ jobs
    The Government has made modifications to the wage subsidy scheme to ensure people don’t lose their jobs during the national lockdown. These changes will soften the impact of COVID-19 on workers, families and businesses, and position them to exit the lockdown and look to recovery, Finance Minister Grant Robertson says. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Tax relief for Mycoplasma Bovis farmers
    Farmers whose herds were culled in response to the outbreak of Mycoplasma bovis will be able to minimise the tax treatment of their income in some circumstances. Revenue Minister Stuart Nash says Cabinet has agreed to change the law. It means farmers may be eligible to spread their income over ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • $27 million for NGOs and community groups to continue providing essential services
    A $27 million dollar package, effective immediately, is being provided to social sector services and community groups to ensure they can continue to provide essential support to communities as we stay at home as a nation to stop the spread of COVID-19, Minister for Social Development Carmel Sepuloni announced. “At ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Statement on guilty plea of March 15 terrorist
    “The guilty plea today will provide some relief to the many people whose lives were shattered by what happened on March 15,” Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said. “These guilty pleas and conviction bring accountability for what happened and also save the families who lost loved ones, those who were injured, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19 updates
    The Prime Minister is holding daily press conferences to update New Zealanders on the Government's response to COVID-19. Links to videos and transcripts of these updates below. These transcripts also include All of Government press conferences led by Director Ministry of Health's Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield. 25 March: Live update from the Prime ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Police numbers break through 10,000 mark
    Frontline Police numbers have broken through the 10,000 mark for the first time in history as officers step forward to keep the community safe during the COVID19 lockdown. “Two Police graduations in Auckland and Wellington in the past week have been conducted in unprecedented circumstances,” Police Minister Stuart Nash said. ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Urgent tax measures for economic recovery
    Urgent legislation has been passed to support the package of economic and social measures needed to recover from the impact of the coronavirus outbreak. “The COVID-19 Response (Taxation and Social Assistance Urgent Measures) Bill will cushion New Zealanders from the worst economic impacts of the COVID-19 outbreak,” said Revenue Minister ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Further support for farmers and growers as drought persists
    From tomorrow, Government support for farmers and growers affected by drought will be expanded and extended across the country, with access to Rural Assistance Payments (RAPS) available throughout the North Island, parts of the South Island and the Chatham Islands, Social Development Minister Carmel Sepuloni announced. “These challenging conditions have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Temporary changes to Education Act
    Parliament has passed amendments to legislation that give the Secretary of Education stronger powers to act in the fight to limit the spread of COVID-19, Education Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “They are part of a suite of changes passed under the COVID-19 Response (Urgent Management Measures) Legislation Bill,” Chris ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar join NZ and Singapore in committing to keeping supply a...
    Canada, Australia, Chile, Brunei and Myanmar have joined forces with New Zealand and Singapore by committing to keep supply chains open and remove any existing trade restrictive measures on essential goods, especially medical supplies, in the face of the Covid-19 crisis.  Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker today welcomed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • COVID-19: Rent increase freeze and more protection for tenants
    Immediate freeze on rent increases Tenancies will not be terminated during the lock-down period, unless the parties agree, or in limited circumstances Tenants who had previously given notice can stay in their if they need to stay in the tenancy during the lock-down period Tenants will still be able to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Working together to protect businesses and workers
    As New Zealand unites to lock-down in the fight against COVID-19, the Finance Minister is urging all businesses and workers to stay connected over the next four weeks. “We understand the extreme pressure many businesses are under right now. I know most business owners think of their workers as family ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • State of National Emergency declared to fight COVID-19
    A State of National Emergency has been declared across the country as the Government pulls out all the stops to curtail the spread of COVID-19. “Today we put in place our country’s second ever State of National Emergency as we fight a global pandemic, save New Zealanders’ lives and prevent ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Prime Minister’s statement on State of National Emergency and Epidemic Notice
    Mr Speaker I wish to make a Ministerial Statement under Standing Order 347 in relation to the recent declaration of a State of National Emergency. Having considered the advice of the Director Civil Defence Emergency Management, the Minister of Civil Defence declared a State of National Emergency for the whole of ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Deadline for domestic travel extended
    People needing to travel on domestic flights, trains and Cook Strait ferries to get home before the country moves into level 4 lock-down tomorrow night will be able to continue using the passenger services until midnight on Friday, Transport Minister Phil Twyford said today. Domestic passenger services, particularly ferries, have ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Mortgage holiday and business finance support schemes to cushion COVID impacts
    The Government, retail banks and the Reserve Bank are today announcing a major financial support package for home owners and businesses affected by the economic impacts of COVID-19. The package will include a six month principal and interest payment holiday for mortgage holders and SME customers whose incomes have been ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago