web analytics

Don’t it make you sick?

Written By: - Date published: 10:16 am, July 15th, 2012 - 27 comments
Categories: class war, treaty settlements, water - Tags: ,

Old rich man, Don Brash, arch-advocate of private property rights, on Q+A arguing against the property rights of iwi because they’re Maori. He says we shouldn’t have race-based ownership.

No-one’s arguing for that. Only the Right are making this about race. Iwi are arguing for the contract they signed with the Crown to be honoured.

Whether they can, in fact, establish that the property rights they are asserting under that contract exist is an evidential matter but there ought to be no objection in principle to the terms of a Treaty being honoured.

In fact, you would think a rightwinger would be the first to support that. But they don’t, because the truth is that all their talk about protecting property rights is actually about protecting the privileges of the existing elite.

Don’t believe me? Ask yourself this: if this was a big (preferably foreign-owned) corporation saying ‘we own the rights to the water in this river and if you want to use it, you’ll have to deal with us’, would the Right being crying foul or would they shrug their shoulders and wait to see what the judicial process finds?


27 comments on “Don’t it make you sick?”

  1. Nah, they’re only for contracts when the beneficiaries of them are straight white men.

    • mike e 1.1

      Dirty old Don didn’t Maori have the same property rights as European after the treaty was signed .
      It only took Europeans 166 years to confer those rights and probably anther 30years before settle ment at only between 1 and 3% of what was confiscated and stolen!
      Don Maori bash is an ignorant racist bigot.

    • Georgecom 1.2

      I’d modify your statement a little:

      Brash and his ilk are all for contracts because the rule of contract permits capital accumulation. It so happens to be that those who accumulate most capital in western economies are white and male. The institutional holding of capital privileges the white male.

      Brashs comments also show that neo-liberal capital is strongly infavour of contractual law, until such time as it threatens it’s abilities to maximise profit. Neo-liberal capital is all for contracts and competition, provided it is on their terms.

      However Brash is proven to be less than honest with his public comments.

  2. bbfloyd 2

    Which says a lot for the fourth estate that they keep going back to ask his opinions, and then printing them uncritically…..

    not an editorialism in sight…..I suppose that is only reasonable when it’s done to opponents of the landlords lackeys….

  3. Ed 3

    “Old rich man, Don Brash, arch-advocate of private property rights, arguing against the property rights of iwi because they’re Maori. He says we shouldn’t have race-based ownership.”

    I’m sorry I don’t know what he said, or when he said it. It would be helpful if when people are quoted, or perhaps paraphrased, at least a link to where the actual statement can be seen should be included. It may be easy to find now, but in a weeks time it may be quite difficult to find.

    • deuto 3.1

      From the first sentence of the post, I assume Brash made these statements on Q & A this morning as he was on the panel (did not watch it but will do so later on TV3 On Demand), ie

      Old rich man, Don Brash, arch-advocate of private property rights, on Q+A arguing against the property rights of iwi because they’re Maori. He says we shouldn’t have race-based ownership.

      Q&Q may be up on On Demand now.

  4. I will probably shock a few people but I wish to acknowledge the principled position in part that the ACT party had in 2004 when the foreshore and seabed legislation was being enacted.

    Richard Prebble said during the first reading debate:

    “ACT is a party that believes in private property rights, the rule of law, the citizen’s right to go to court, and one law for all. This bill violates all of those principles. Today Parliament is doing great and lasting damage to racial harmony by introducing legislation that racially discriminates. The bill discriminates against Māori. It removes the right that the Court of Appeal found that Māori have to seek a declaration from the courts that the seabed and foreshore is Māori land. ”

    Even though I disagree as the bill clearly allowed Maori to seek a declaration that its rights were breached by the bill the comments were certainly internally consistent.

    • felix 4.1

      Probably their last internally consistent moment. Reckon we’ll see racist old Banks live up to it?

    • Georgecom 4.2

      Brash is proven to be someone who doesn’t tell the truth. His comments regarding race and contractual law is not necessarily that of some ACT members.

    • Pascal's bookie 4.3

      Yeah Mickey. Principled as.

      Running for memory here, but it’s clear enough that I’d be shocked if I was wrong and would genuinely like to be corrected if I am wrong.

      Way I reall it is that they were leaning very much against iwi, untill people started throwing the property rights argument in theirfaces. they then ummed and ahhed and dithered and balthered untill Stephen Franks decided that iwi would lose if it went to court. When they convinced themeselves of this, they went the “right to a court hearing” route, opposing any negotiated settlement.

      Moving away from meory and into the realms of the dreaded speculation; I’d guess that if it did go to court and if iwi won, ACT would have repsonded not with “Oh franks was wrong” but “activist judges”.

      And we can see how principled the ACT position was based on how those poeple are speaking out in this case.

      Anybody heard anything, I’ve been out for the weekend. has Rodney piped up? Any of the new crop? What sez banks?

    • Fatso 4.4

      Amen. As a libertarian, I heartily endorse this perspective. This was before the ACT party moved away from its principles, and before I stopped voting for them. What most Maori want is the enforcement of their property rights.

  5. higherstandard 5

    What did Brash say ?

  6. captain hook 6

    he said, “f*ck you all, I’m all right jack”.

  7. weka 7

    I can only find two hits on google news for “don brash”, in the past week. 
    Nothing about his views on Maoridom (Maybe Zetetic is referring to Brash’s historical stance on Maori) but one of the article confirms that Brash is a member of the Brotherhood.

    • deuto 7.1

      Apparently, Brash made these comments on Q&A this morning. Link to the programme on TVNZ On Demand at 3.1.1 above.

  8. bad12 8

    Treaty of Waitangi,

    Article Two,

    Her Majesty the Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the Chiefs of New Zealand and to the respective families and individuals thereof, THE FULL, EXCLUSIVE, AND UNDISTURBED POSSESSION OF THEIR LANDS, ESTATES, FISHERIES, AND OTHER PROPERTIES WHICH THEY MAY COLLECTIVELY OR INDIVIDUALLY POSSESS, so long as it is their wish and desire to retain the same in their possession, but the Chiefs of the United Tribes and the individual Chiefs yield to Her Majesty the exclusive right of pre-emption over such lands as the proprietors thereof may be disposed to alienate, at such prices as may be agreed upon between the respective proprietors and the persons appointed by Her Majesty to treat with them in that behalf.

    Why anyone would give the oxygen thief Brash the time of day let alone space in news articles is beyond me, there may be some ambiguity in the wording of the Maori text of the Treaty of Waitangi, but the English text, article two which i printed above is completely unambiguous as to the extent of what Maori possessed, (owned), at the time the Treaty was signed…

  9. muzza 9

    What people need to remember is that the last thing the establishment wants is for the treaty to be shown for the fraud that it is, because it makes any treaty ever signed by “The Crown”, or any act of the sham which is our parliamentary, legal and judicial systems, and those who have operated inside of it complicit to the fraud!

    Listening to old white men, who are inherantly racist, and in fact anti humanity ,talking about race based divide and trying to prevent it, about as transparent as a wet t-shirt!

    I for one will be very interested to follow how this is handled, because for the establishment, it is actually very crucial it is not let out of the bag, not can it be a hamstring moment for them!

    If this “treaty” can keep NZ’s real wealth out of the hands of the “rich white men”, then it will be a good news day.

    Which is why its all the more sad to see Sharples and Turia bend over the way they do!

    Guess the reason the NACT policy sign up the maori party right after the 2008 election, before they ever needed them has been exposed for all to see!

  10. gobsmacked 10

    Brash was on Q & A? Thanks – it’s good to be reminded why I don’t bother watching it.

    Here’s how he should have been introduced on the Panel – but I’m guessing he wasn’t …

    “And also joining us today is Don Brash. Welcome.

    Dr Brash, you were the leader of a party that got fewer votes than Mana at the last election. Therefore your opinion is less relevant than Hone Harawira’s. In fact, your party got less than one tenth of the votes given to the Greens. Therefore, in the spirit of fairness and true democracy, we will be respecting the wishes of the people (it’s that “mandate” some commentators keep going on about), and we will give Green MPs ten times your allotted speaking time today. So you might want to keep it short.

    Oh, I’m sorry, I’ve just been informed that you didn’t receive any votes at all at the last election. Because you didn’t even stand, anywhere. Therefore, you represent precisely nobody, and we won’t be requiring your services this morning.

    Actually there is something you could do. I’ll have a flat white, no sugar. Thanks.”

    • felix 10.1

      Margin-of-error party leader to be sure, but I assume Dr Brash appeared in his other role.

      The (only just) unofficial National Party Race Relations Spokesperson

  11. Clashman 11

    “He says we shouldn’t have race-based ownership.”
    Nor should we have ‘class-based’ ownership, Don.

    • bad12 11.1

      Brash’s reactionary racism is simply the retreat of the colonial oppressor whereby LAW has failed them,

      It is obvious from the Court of Appeal decision over the Waikato river at Poukani,(now a electricity generating lake) that the Judiciary ‘see’ the beds of rivers and lakes as part of the Maori Estate and thus in the absence of Legislation removing such from the Maori Estate or a legitimate purchase by the Crown with the agreement of the ‘owners’ the Crown is in breach of article Two of the Treaty of Waitangi when it usurped the full, exclusive, and undisturbed possession of Maori in passing prior empowering Legislation in order to build the power generating dams upon the Waikato river,

      The Crown is in attempting to now sell 49% of those dams into the hands of private owners further breaching the Treaty of Waitangi at Article Two as it has no legitimate authority to sell any part of the bed of the Waikato river which it has not purchased from the Maori Estate as per the conditions of Article Two…

  12. Draco T Bastard 12

    What we shouldn’t have is capitalist ownership as that removes the power from the people and puts it into the hands of an unaccountable few.

    • prism 12.1

      Gee Draco

      What we shouldn’t have is capitalist ownership as that removes the power from the people and puts it into the hands of an unaccountable few.

      This can happen with any group. You can’t provide a one sentence premise-fits-all-situations like this without saying that people have to ensure they are informed and involved and want to have input on that basis. We need to think and examine and analyse and ensure the power and the decisions are the best and practical of the options.

      Once people start thinking along the lines of your sentence, they leave the job of decision making to their leaders or politicians and they themselves are then likely to be by-passed in decision making as in the TPP. If it wasn’t for Maori fighting to keep themselves in the picture they would have very little clout, but most of the rest of we NZs are like children thinking that government is some clever virtuous parent who is mostly right.

  13. toad 13

    Yeah, I have to date resisted the emetic reaction that Don Brash induces because I have never got close enough to him to ensure that if I do actually puke it will all be over him.

  14. prism 14

    Brash is another example of a professional bum on a plush seat. He was offered a well paid job soon after uni and has never been faced with the crushing hopelessness of someone struggling against our people-hating world and a punitive, diminishing welfare system. Or to work for years doing a good job, making useful things only to be laid off because other people in charge of money flow and instruments can’t do their job properly.

    Most of these tools are still working in their jobs in finance despite their malfeasance, known or unrealised. And Brash is an economist which is a magician specialising in numbers and concepts, and like any good magician can think up a new act when the previous one palls.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts


  • September benefit figures disappointing
    The Government is out of touch with the reality that fewer people are going off the benefit and into employment or study, says Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Carmel Sepuloni.  “The quarterly benefit numbers for September are concerning. They show that ...
    3 days ago
  • MFAT officials refuse to back Prime Minister on Saudi sheep claims
    An Ombudsman’s interim decision released about the existence or otherwise of legal advice on the multimillion dollar Saudi sheep deal shows MFAT has failed to back up the Prime Minister’s claims on the matter, says Labour MP David Parker. “The ...
    3 days ago
  • Nats still planning to take Housing NZ dividend
    Housing New Zealand’s Statement of Performance Expectations shows that the National Government intends to pocket $237m from Housing New Zealand this year including a $54m “surplus distribution”, despite promises that dividends would stop, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “After ...
    4 days ago
  • Parliament must restore democracy for Ecan
    Parliament has a chance to return full democracy to Canterbury with the drawing of a member’s bill that would replace the Government’s appointed commissioners with democratically elected councillors, says Labour’s Canterbury Spokesperson Megan Woods. “In 2010, the Government stripped Cantabrians ...
    4 days ago
  • Police struggle to hold the line in Northland
    Labour’s promise of a thousand extra police will go a long way to calming the fears of people in the North, says the MP for Te Tai Tokerau Kelvin Davis.  “Police are talking about the Northland towns of Kaitaia and ...
    4 days ago
  • Urgent action on agriculture emissions needed
    Immediate action is required to curb agricultural emissions is the loud and clear message from Climate change & agriculture: Understanding the biological greenhouse gases report released today by the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, says Labour’s Climate Change spokesperson Megan ...
    5 days ago
  • Super Fund climate change approach a good start
    Labour Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson and Climate Change Spokesperson Dr Megan Woods have welcomed the adoption of a climate change investment strategy by the New Zealand Super Fund. “This is a good start. It is a welcome development that the Super ...
    5 days ago
  • Raising the age the right thing to do
    The announcement today that the Government will leave the door open for young people leaving state care still means there is a lot of work to do, says Labour's Spokesperson for Children, Jacinda Ardern "The Government indicated some time ago ...
    5 days ago
  • Coleman plays down the plight of junior doctors
    Junior doctors are crucial to our health services and the industrial action that continues tomorrow shows how desperately the Government has underfunded health, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King.  “Jonathan Coleman’s claim that he has not seen objective evidence of ...
    6 days ago
  • Inflation piles pressure on National and Reserve Bank
    While many households will welcome the low inflation figures announced today, they highlight serious questions for both the National government and the Reserve Bank, Labour’s  Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson said.  "While low inflation will be welcomed by many, the ...
    6 days ago
  • Officials warned Nat’s $1b infrastructure fund ineffective and rushed
    Treasury papers show the Government rushed out an infrastructure announcement officials told them risked making no significant difference to housing supply, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  “Like so much of National’s housing policy, this was another poll-driven PR initiative ...
    6 days ago
  • More cops needed to tackle P
    New Police statistics obtained in Written Questions show John Key is losing his War on P, highlighting the need for more Police, says Opposition Leader Andrew Little.  “New Zealanders expect serious action on P but today’s hodgepodge of half-measures won’t ...
    7 days ago
  • MBIE docs show country needs KiwiBuild, not Key’s pretend “building boom”
    John Key’s spin that New Zealand is in a building boom does not change the massive shortfall in building construction as new MBIE papers reveal, says Labour Party housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  “We can fix the housing crisis, by the ...
    7 days ago
  • 1 in 7 Akl houses now going to big property speculators
    Speculators are running riot in the Auckland housing market making life tougher for first home buyers, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  Newly released data from Core Logic shows a 40 per cent increase in the share of house sales ...
    1 week ago
  • Labour mourns passing of Helen Kelly
    Helen Kelly was a passionate advocate for working New Zealanders and for a safe and decent working life, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says.  “Helen Kelly spent her adult life fighting for the right of every working person to ...
    1 week ago
  • Andrew Little: Speech to the Police Association Conference 2016
    Police Association delegates, Association life members and staff, representatives from overseas jurisdictions. Thank you for inviting me here today. The Police Association has become a strong and respected voice for Police officers and for policing in New Zealand. There is ...
    2 weeks ago
  • 1,000 more police for safer communities
    Labour will fund an extra 1,000 Police in its first term to tackle the rising rate of crime, says Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little. “Labour will put more cops on the beat to keep our communities safe. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Call for all-party round table on homelessness
    Labour is calling on the Government to take part in a roundtable meeting to hammer out a cross-party agreement on ending homelessness.  Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford said the country wanted positive solutions to homelessness, and wanted the political parties ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Working people carrying the can for the Government
    Today’s announcement of a Government operating surplus is the result of the hard work of many Kiwi businesses and workers, who will be asking themselves if they are receiving their fair share of growth in the economy, Grant Robertson Labour ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Breast cancer drugs should be available
    Labour supports the Breast Cancer Aotearoa Coalition’s campaign for better access to cancer treatments as more patients are denied what is freely available in Australia, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King.  “In the last three years, PHARMAC’s funding has been ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Community law centres get much needed support from banks
      New Zealand’s network of community law centres, who operate out of more than 140 locations across the country, have today received a much needed boost, says Labour’s Justice spokesperson Jacinda Ardern.  “After more than 8 years of static funding ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Just 18 affordable homes in Auckland SHAs – It’s time for KiwiBuild
    New data revealing just 18 affordable homes have been built and sold to first home buyers in Auckland’s Special Housing Areas show National’s flagship housing policy has failed and Labour’s comprehensive housing plan is needed, says Leader of the Opposition ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Pasifika wins big in Auckland elections
    The Labour Party’s Pacific Candidates who stood for local elections in Auckland came out on top with 14 winners, says Labour’s Pacific Island Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Our candidates have won seats on one ward, four local boards, two ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Seven7 hikoi to stop sexual violence
    2 weeks ago
  • Road toll passes 2013 total
    The road toll for the year to date has already passed the total for the whole of 2013, raising serious questions about the Government’s underfunding of road safety, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Sue Moroney.  “According to the Ministry of Transport, ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Bay principals slam charter school decision
    A letter from Hawke’s Bay principals to the Education Minister slams the lack of consultation over the establishment of a charter school in the region and seriously calls into question the decision making going on under Hekia Parata’s watch, says ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Government needs to act on voter turnout crisis
    With fewer than 40 per cent of eligible voters having their say in the 2016 local elections, the Government must get serious and come up with a plan to increase voter turnout, says Labour’s Local Government Spokesperson Meka Whaitiri. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Inquiry presents solutions to homelessness – Govt must act
    Labour, the Green Party and the Māori Party are calling on the Government to immediately adopt the 20 recommendations set out in today's Ending Homelessness in New Zealand report. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • A good night for Labour’s local government candidates
    It has been a good night for Labour in the local government elections. In Wellington, Justin Lester became the first Labour mayor for 30 years, leading a council where three out of four Labour candidates were elected. Both of Labour’s ...
    2 weeks ago
  • More contenders for fight clubs
    Allegations of fight clubs spreading to other Serco-run prisons must be properly investigated says Labour’s Corrections spokesperson Kelvin Davis. ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Minister runs for cover on job losses
    Māori Development Minister Te Ururoa Flavell’s refusal to show leadership and provide assurances over the future of the Māori Land Court is disappointing, given he is spearheading contentious Maori land reforms which will impact on the functions of the Court, ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Kiwisaver contribution holiday not the break workers were looking for
    The number of working New Zealanders needing to stop Kiwisaver payments is another sign that many people are not seeing benefit from growth in the economy, says Grant Robertson Labour’s Finance spokesperson. "There has been an increase of 14 ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Fight Club failings
    The Corrections Minister must take full responsibility for the widespread management failings within Mt Eden prison, says Labour’s Corrections spokesperson Kelvin Davis. ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Rethink welcomed
    The Labour Party is pleased that Craig Foss is reconsidering the return of New Zealand soldiers buried in Malaysia, says Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer. “For the families of those who lie there, this will a welcome move. The ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Disappointment over UN vote
    Helen Clark showed her characteristic drive and determination in her campaign to be UN Secretary General, and most New Zealanders will be disappointed she hasn't been selected, says the Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little. "Helen Clark has been an ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Māori need answers on Land Court job losses
    Māori landowners, Māori employees and Treaty partners need answers after a Ministry of Justice consultation document has revealed dozens of roles will be disestablished at the Māori Land Court, says Ikaroa-Rāwhiti MP Meka Whaitiri. ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Key’s ‘efficiencies’ = DHBs’ pain
          John Key’s talk of ‘efficiencies’ ignores the fact the Government is chronically underfunding health to the tune of $1.7 billion, says Labour’s Acting Health spokesperson Dr David Clark.       ...
    3 weeks ago
  • More than 1,300 schools to face budget cuts
    The latest Ministry of Education figures reveal thousands of schools will face cuts to funding under National’s new operations grant funding model, says Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins. ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Speculation fever spreads around country
    House prices in Wellington, Hamilton and Tauranga are going off as a result of uncontrolled property speculation spilling over from the Auckland market, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  “Speculators who have been priced out of Auckland are now fanning ...
    3 weeks ago
  • New Zealand lags on aid targets
      The National Government needs to live up to its commitments and allocate 0.7 per cent of Gross National Income on development assistance, says Labour’s spokesperson on Pacific Climate Change Su’a William Sio.  “The second State of the Environment Report ...
    3 weeks ago
  • War on drugs needs more troops
    The Minister of Police must urgently address the number of officers investigating illegal drugs if she is serious about making a dent in the meth trade, says Labour’s Police spokesperson Stuart Nash.  “Answers from written questions from the Minister show ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Doctors strike symptom of health cuts
    The notice of strike action issued by the junior doctors today is the result of years of National’s cuts to the health system, says Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Dr David Clark. ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Government starves RNZ into selling Auckland asset
    Just weeks after TVNZ opened its refurbished Auckland head office costing more than $60 million, RNZ (Radio New Zealand) has been forced to put its Auckland office on the market to keep itself afloat, says Labour’s Broadcasting spokesperson Clare Curran. ...
    3 weeks ago
  • Government must be more than a bystander on the economy
    Despite what he might think John Key is not a political commentator, but actually a leader in a Government who needs to take responsibility for the conditions that mean a rise in interest rates, says Labour’s Finance Spokesperson Grant Robertson.  “John ...
    3 weeks ago