Down the club

Written By: - Date published: 9:40 pm, May 26th, 2008 - 40 comments
Categories: dpf, scoundrels - Tags: , ,

National party activist and spokesperson David Farrar has surpassed himself this time with a post attacking Helen Clark for not having children that features youtube work from his friend and fellow activist Cameron Slater.

Now I expect this kind of thing from Slater who is well known for such tasteful moves as photoshopping the face of a teenage blogger onto gay porn and stalking John Minto but I thought given David’s role as a prominent National activist he would have more sense than to get involved in this kind of overt misogyny. After all it’s pretty much mantra that the Nats need to win the female vote to win and that means this sort of thing needs to be kept down the club and out of the public eye.

Apparently David is not on message.

We’ve criticised him for cultivating a culture of filth and hate against women before but this is a new low that he knew would encourage comments like this:

Hey I actually quite glad that Helen hasn’t bred. One of the few favours she’s done us. And I quote her ‘Thank God’

I expect he’ll probably try to wash his hands of this vile dog-whistling just as his mate Brash tried to claim his Orewa speech wasn’t really racist. Well here’s a tip for you David, everyone sees what you are doing and none of us adults are impressed. You need to grow the fuck up and realise that yes the Prime Minster is a woman and the only people that seems to bother are you and your toryboy mates.

40 comments on “Down the club”

  1. Delma 1

    What a jerk. As usual Farrar will claim he’s *really* talking about means-testing superannuation and it has nothing to do with Clark being a woman, and a childless one at that.

    Of course David’s readership knows exactly what he’s saying. They make that abundandtly clear in the sexist comments that follow.

  2. James Kearney 2

    He’s hat-tipped Whaleoil. I think that says it all.

  3. Benodic 3

    I don’t think David Farrar cares about whether Helen Clark is a woman but his rabid readers do and he knows it. It’s a bit of raw meat for the activists, a chance whip up the base. Pretty standard stuff for an operator like DPF.

    The sad thing is deep down I think he’s actually a really nice guy. It’s the fact he knows better that bothers me the most.

  4. Billy 4

    “Down the club”? You’ve never actually met real a right winger, have you IB?

  5. IrishBill 5

    It’s a metaphor, Billy. Any thoughts on the actual topic of the post?

  6. James Kearney 6

    I find it interesting that video was part of the “Don’t Vote Labour” series. Remember National’s entire hope for getting elected relies not on their own merits but on making people dislike Labour.

    There’s no vision of their own, no policy to back it up, just constant running down of New Zealand and pathetic Tory jokes about Helen being childless.

  7. Billy 7

    Billy takes a puff on his cigar, adjusts his top hat and his monocle and then says: “No. This post seems a bit pointless to me.”

    Catchpa: rampant community.

  8. roger nome 8

    God, first the infamous “Danish boobs” post, and now this? Poor David. He really doesn’t have a clue does he? And he says that most of his close friends are women. With this kind of stunt you’ve got to wonder.

  9. IrishBill 9

    Billy, using humour to deflect real comment only works if you are funny. Luckily for you you are. Bill doffs cloth cap, draws on pipe and prepares to go to bed to read Marx’s collected journalism and dream of socialist utopia. G’night.

  10. Tane 10

    Bill, that Marx’s collected journalism any good? I heard the interview on Doug Henwood’s show and it sounded interesting, but it sounds like the sort of thing you probably have to import. They didn’t have a copy down at Johnsonville PaperPlus.

  11. burt 11

    Lots of families all having lots of families all paying no tax, hows that going to work?

    captcha: Lebanon noted

  12. AncientGeek 12

    burt: And what on earth does that have to do with the post?

    Diversion perhaps? So tell me, what do you think of DPF’s & Whales’s post? Good, bad or ugly?

  13. [Tane: Dad, too far. Take a week off.]

  14. Coaster 14

    I’ve never commented before. But after that, I have to!

    Dad – As a proud West Coaster, i just want to say – Get Over It! ‘Distraught Children’? Yeah, rite!

    It was, like a hundred years ago and, if the only Coasters that Helen Clark has met are like you, then it’s no wonder that she thought we were all ‘feral inbreds’.

  15. Hey Coaster do you want the various affidavits from school teachers from Buller that I have collected? Thought not and I do savour the day she is in the dock.

  16. higherstandard 16

    IB

    Don’t know why you’re so sensitive about this the Prime Minister quite obviously meant that eventually the baby boomer generation is going to need someone to keep NZ society going once they are past the point of working. I don’t think she’d give a damn that someone’s made a video of her.

    The way she put it however did leave her open to ridicule as the thought of others children paying for her pension which she is most unlikely to require after so many years in parliament along with its overly generous super plan.

    PS Marx’s collected journalism are you still hoping for the dawn of the communist state in New Zealand ?

  17. IrishBill 17

    HS, I’m sure Helen can cope with a Slater video but I’m sick of the misogyny of the right as it signals to women in general that they are not welcome in politics.

    Marx’s collected journalism was a joke. You may be surprised to know I don’t wear a cloth cap and smoke a pipe either.

  18. higherstandard 18

    But I had such a clear picture of you in my head with a thick Irish brogue, a pipe and cloth cap frothing invective at management… you’ve ruined it all for me.

    Re misogyny of the right I think it’s unfair to tar everyone who votes towards National and Act as a misogynist there’s just as many who vote for the left.

  19. r0b 19

    OK, that’s well over the line. I nominate d4j for some time out.

    [Tane: Fair point r0b, I usually just scan over D4J’s comments without reading them, bit this has crossed the line. Dad, have a week off.]

  20. I am talking about debating skills r0b, why try and twist things? Why does the left always silence critics by dishonest tactics for effect.

  21. r0b 21

    “Debating skills” is “sort the bitch in 2 seconds flat” is it D4. Yeah right.

    I am not one of those who attack you as a person, and I think the editors are right to let you continue to post here (on probation). But you should stay well clear of posting anything that looks like filth or threats of violence.

  22. TomS 22

    Sometimes the mask slips from David Farrar carefully cultivated self image of an avuncular fellow who just happens to have some unfortunate commentators in his comments section and the reality – that he fancies himself as the National parties answer to Karl Rove – appears. And he can’t have it both ways. Having dismissed people who qualify for WFF as “breeders” – http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/calculating_tax_cuts.html – he then sets his online Brown Shirts (yes, thats exactly what they are) out onto the virtual streets to beat up on Helen Clark for being childless.

  23. illuminatedtiger 23

    I make no apologies for anything I’ve said about these scummy people and their scummy behaviour. This kind of crap is not on and credit goes to you guys for laying the boot into them!

    Also a message for dad4justice: Enjoy your one week holiday! 😉

  24. djp 24

    I think you guys missed the boat. There is no mention of HC’s gender or whether she has children or not.

    The issue is that HC (as one the most highly paid people in NZ) wants to spend her final years on welfare.

    You guys seem to want to avoid this point?

  25. Vanilla Eis 25

    djp: Farrar makes it quite clear that “she will be relying on… your children” in direct reference to the fact that she doesn’t have any children herself to pay tax while she’s retired.

    Tell me how you missed this?

  26. IrishBill 26

    I figured the fact that the video was cut to repeat the phrase “I don’t have children” twice might have been a giveaway.

  27. ak 27

    heh heh, thanks TomS – so parents are “breeders” eh?

    Fascinating insight into the Nat/Act psyche. I wonder if they make the logical progression and subconsciously recognise themselves as ageing steers and wethers – too old to be “eaters” and thus doomed as “culls”. Would explain the metaphorical roaring, charging about and indiscriminate spraying of urine over in Farrar’s rough block (and dad’s feral inbreeding!)

  28. Vanilla Eis 28

    Good point IB: I never actually looked at the video. Clicking onto KB was enough to make me want a shower.

  29. djp 29

    vanilla: HC was the one who specifically mentioned that she has no children. She was the one who said she will be relying on “your” children.

    But I dont really care who said she is childless or whatever (it seems to be a smokescreen on your part).

    The point is:
    She is one of the most highly paid people in NZ and she wants welfare

    Once again, it seems this is the point that people want to ignore on this blog.

  30. Vanilla Eis 30

    djp: Indeed. Note that she has also paid tax on her considerable income. Would you deny Theresa Gattung welfare if she applied? I mean, she has probably paid more income tax than most people would earn in a lifetime. Or would you prefer that the money go solely to those that need it?

    *gasp*

    But that’s income redistribution!

  31. djp 31

    vanilla: yes I would rather it go solely to those that need it.

    I would rather a limited “safety net” welfare state then a total “lifetime” welfare state.

  32. uroskin 32

    How many children does Mr Farrar have?

  33. Phil 33

    “How many children does Mr Farrar have?”

    Slightly less than you do

  34. Lew 34

    If you can’t bag ’em on policy, bag ’em on something else. Just stay on-message and regular.

    Delma/Benodic: I think you’ve nailed it here. Farrar, to an extent, relies on his commenters to make him look moderate and reasonable, and generally I get the impression he is. But I can’t hold too much respect for anyone who tolerates or promotes this sort of stuff with such glee.

    L

  35. Matthew Pilott 35

    Phil – fewer… Slightly fewer children.

    DJP – what happened to paying taxes all your life (supporting the state) and retiring and being supported by the state. I guess that’s some filthy Red notion that should be abolished along with Eating Babies and Inheritance Tax.

  36. QoT 36

    I gotta say, guys, it warms my heart after a hard day’s being accused of Stupid Feminist Hysteria (TM) to see the classic, “IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER BEING A WOMAN, THAT’S WHY SO MUCH ANTI-HC HUMOUR REVOLVES AROUND HER LOOKS AND FAMILY STATUS, HONEST!” defence being used in full seriousness. It’s even a bit funny, really, realising that some people actually BELIEVE that!

  37. AncientGeek 37

    Helen has a rather large cohort of nieces and nephews, cousins, and sisters. So for that matter does Peter. It is a fairly close set of families, just like mine.

    Now I don’t have kids myself either. But that has never seemed to stop me getting involved in family life. I always have people crashing on my couch, being called help deal with obnoxious teenagers, babysitting (including the disgusting nappies), bailing kids out of jail after being caught driving without documentation, getting hauled in to watch the little horrors at sport, etc etc. In short spending a lot of time helping raise other peoples kids.

    Clearly some of the dick heads on here have no close family or they’d know these things. I wonder why their brothers, sisters and cousin’s don’t want to use them?

    And by the way, I’ve seen Helen with the families kids. It isn’t that much different, she just has less time than Peter does (or I do for that matter).

  38. I’m a bit late catching up with this one gents, but WhaleOil put together the video on the basis of an e-mail I sent to him on Friday morning.

    I posted about it then, here:

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/05/helen-clarks-new-low.html

    Read my post carefully. It is NOT an attack on Helen Clark’s childless state – I don’t, and won’t, go there. However it IS a criticism of Helen Clark’s attitude to everyday New Zealanders.

    Make no mistake. Helen Clark is a very affluent woman, who will retire from Parliament with the type of superannuation package that most of us could only dream of. And so she should. I would not have her, or any other politician’s job for quids. However, at a time when New Zealanders are hurting financially, it was a crass comment for her to make, and IMHO, she deserved to be called on it. And I reiterate – it was NOT an attack on her as a childless woman.

    For what it’s worth, here’s what she said again – judge for yourself:

    “I don’t have children, but thank God most people do , and they’re going to be looking after me in my old age.”

  39. Yeah, that’s right bro – it’s about super. That’s why the video loops her saying she has no children twice and only runs the cut of her talking about retirement once. IV2 – you’re a smart man and a moral one. Don’t degrade yourself defending this shit. It’s embarrassing.

  40. Tane 40

    In case any of Farrar’s apologists didn’t get the message, it looks like his wingnut mates sure did:

    “I don’t have children”

    So why Helen do you think you know best when it comes to parenting and smacking??

    http://nzdebate.blogspot.com/2008/05/i-dont-have-children_26.html

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  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago

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