Eminem case could cost Nats big

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In the alleged ripping off of Eminem National knew they were on dodgy ground – Court battle between Eminem and National Party begins

Williams presented evidence to argue that National Party representatives knew copyright could be a problem.

An email chain included a quote from one National Party representative, questioning if their backing track was too similar to Lose Yourself.

“How can we be confident that Eminem doesn’t think we’re ripping him off?

“How do we ensure there is no liability with us?”

The email reply was that the National Party wasn’t liable, because they were only buying a licence for a specific use of music.

The Party was told the composer would be liable for any copyright problems.

Williams was scathing after reading from the emails.

“That is just wrong, in law.

“Also, the focus is on not just whether it’s an infringement. But whether they can shift liability to someone else.”

Typical. Could cost them big – National Party’s ad ‘bland’ and using Eminem song would never be allowed

Detroit-based copyright administrator Joel Martin said the holders would never have granted the party permission to use the original work. Use could have cost US$750,000 to $1m if permission had been given, but a fee after unauthorised use would have been higher.

82 comments on “Eminem case could cost Nats big”

  1. Richard McGrath 1

    If the Nats violated Eminem’s property rights, they should compensate him for lost revenue. Simple as that.

    • Gosman 1.1

      What revenue did Eminem lose as a result of this?

      • Daveosaurus 1.1.1

        From the post itself: “US$750,000 to $1m”.

        • Gosman 1.1.1.1

          How did Eminem lose 1 million USD from this?

          • lprent 1.1.1.1.1

            Duh! Are you really that legally illiterate, or just naturally stupid? But I suspect that you are just demonstrating your astroturfing troll abilities.

            Because that would have been the order of the price that they (the artist or his agents) would have charged for any such a use of their music for advertising. I’d expect that they will present evidence to that effect – which won’t be . That effectively defines a market value. I could give you the legal precedents. But why bother to a astroturfer.

            If you want to astroturf this again, then I am likely demonstrate my assessment of the market value of that astroturfing to this site.

          • WILD KATIPO 1.1.1.1.2

            If you are really going to argue along those lines, Gosman , you may as well remove all copyright laws. Whether they are intellectual property or otherwise.

            Idiot.

            • Johan 1.1.1.1.2.1

              WK don’t be too hard on Gosman, he is a bit slow and only comes here to ask stupid questions.

              • keepcalmcarryon

                Mr Gosman once more appears the wrong side of the clapper on the bell curve of understanding.

          • North 1.1.1.1.3

            The owner lost the mill’ by not getting the mill’ that the law says he’s entitled to levy. Get that ? His property. Applied by someone whose property it is not. The availability of a remedy is the cornerstone of the ‘property-owning-democracy’…….the object of your outlandishly vaunted love.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.2

        …and the stain of being associated with the National Party, and their manifest contempt for the law and Mr. Mathers’ property.

        • Psycho Milt 1.1.2.1

          I enjoyed this bit: National’s version of the track…

          … was “bland and perfunctory”, and not in the spirit of the Lose Yourself song, which encouraged the taking of chances…

          It’s like the guy’s met the National Party before…

        • Keith 1.1.2.2

          I concur. Having a lying slimey bunch of fucks like the National Party associated with your brand could be ruinous and very detrimental!

        • Gosman 1.1.2.3

          Are you able to quantify this?

      • michelle 1.1.3

        gosman we cant have the gnats protecting peoples copyright when they are abusing the very system they claim to be protecting when they are doing this themselves these tories have become so arrogant they seem to think they are above the law and they can do anything well they can f…of people have had enough of these two faces lying b…s

        • Draco T Bastard 1.1.3.1

          these tories have become so arrogant they seem to think they are above the law

          That’s their normal position. Thing is, they get away with it so often as well. Just look at John Key’s assault of a waitress. That should have resulted in him being kicked out of parliament in disgrace and with a criminal conviction.

          • WILD KATIPO 1.1.3.1.1

            Indeed. Convicted on common assault charges.

            No wonder Bill English remained studiously quiet all throughout that episode…

          • McFlock 1.1.3.1.2

            nah, ponytail pulling wouldn’t get a conviction on a PM.

            Should have been given a formal warning or diversion though, in case the behaviour repeats

            • WILD KATIPO 1.1.3.1.2.1

              Mhmmm… I suppose we cant expect the same for someone else who repeat offends over a six months time period despite non consent on behalf of the victim.

              Workplace bullying in that case deserves two category’s , then .

              One for commoners and another for elected officials .

              OK then.

              • McFlock

                No, it’s more that all incidents would be viewed at once when they came up (which is why a “career” crim might cop to several unrelated offences all at once – think of it as a bulk discount), and if you do a conviction over hair pulling, how would you escalate the punishments for other people who do crotch-grabbing or progressively more serious offences?

                I mean, it definitely shows disturbing attitudes to women, but there’s always the argument that a conviction would be disproportionate punishment. If you have examples of folks being convicted for pulling hair and thus that a caution wouldn’t be appropriate, feel free to share.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  and if you do a conviction over hair pulling, how would you escalate the punishments for other people who do crotch-grabbing or progressively more serious offences?

                  A conviction doesn’t necessitate jail time.

                  but there’s always the argument that a conviction would be disproportionate punishment.

                  There’s no such thing.

                  • McFlock

                    A conviction does have repercussions in its own right, though.

                    No such thing as disproportionate punishment?

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      A conviction does have repercussions in its own right, though.

                      Yes, that’s the point.

                      No such thing as disproportionate punishment?

                      Correct.

                    • McFlock

                      No such thing as disproportionate punishment?

                      Correct.

                      Shit, didn’t realise you were in the garth mcvictim crowd. /sarc

            • Draco T Bastard 1.1.3.1.2.2

              nah, ponytail pulling wouldn’t get a conviction on a PM.

              But it should do especially if it continues over several months and the victim has, repeatedly, asked the perpetrator to stop.

              • McFlock

                Actually, what should have happened was that the police cautioned the perpetrator for the first incident, and then he either stops or the complaints and punishments escalate.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  That would be true if the victim reported it to police. Unfortunately, she didn’t and thus it rose to a level of significant abuse before it came to light.

                  Or, the other option that could have applied, is that the police officers that accompany the PM should have arrested him for assault on the first time. They were there and watching after all.

                  • McFlock

                    Does one even need to be arrested to be cautioned?

                    As you say, they were right there.

                    • Have you ever done any martial arts? or security work?

                      One of the first things you will learn about the ‘ potential’ of pulling hair isn’t that the hairpulling in of itself is the cause of the damage.

                      Its the strikes and ability to get a person off balanced and on the floor that is and subject to foot stomps etc .

                      And while Key obviously wasn’t intending any of that , but merely exercising his sick fetish , – there is a reason why even hair pulling is viewed under the law as assault.

                      Try it.

                      Go and pull the ponytail of a female police officer and see how dimly its viewed.

                      And just because Key was accompanied by the Diplomatic Protection staff, – even MORE SO that should not have been allowed to carry on over a 6 month period.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Does one even need to be arrested to be cautioned?

                      Don’t think so but an arrest and then let off with a caution would, IMO, be more appropriate for assault than, say, parking on the footpath.

                    • McFlock

                      @WK Yes, actually. Both.

                      Assault is the application of force or the threat of force. Yes, assault on a police officer is bad. It can still result in a discharge without conviction. Especially if, as you say, the assault is “obviously” limited with no threat of escalation. And a waitress is not a police officer with the power to immediately arrest and charge someone who assaults her.

                      I’ve seen guys cautioned/diverted/discharged for full-blown fights where half a dozen of us had to hold the fucker down. Not necessarily rich bastards, either.

                      Yes, the cops right there should have intervened long before she felt she had to escalate. But come on, it was never going to get him an offence conviction big enough to be kicked from parliament.

                    • McFlock

                      @dtb – I don’t think they do cautions for parking on footpaths. They write tickets.

      • Keith 1.1.4

        What revenue did they lose with their government hotel chain contract…. hang on, wrong court case.

      • AsleepWhileWalking 1.1.5

        The worst is not revenue lost, but the association of Eminem with National party politics, which imho clashes and undermines his brand.

        The ad for National while limited due to the small size of NZ would be as damaging as Eminem starring in a Disney movie.

        JK’s mother raising him in a State house given as a reward for hard work in those days in no way compares to the struggles of people in the Projects, nor for that matter does it compare to those in social housing or benefits today.

        • Gosman 1.1.5.1

          Maybe in the NZ market. Given it’s tiny size on the World I doubt Eminem brand can be stated to be damaged that much.

          • WILD KATIPO 1.1.5.1.1

            Yet still damaged.

          • dukeofurl 1.1.5.1.2

            So Boeing sells its planes to Air NZ for a lot less, because its a ‘tiny market’?

            We keep getting told we have to pay the ‘world price’ for stuff we grow here.

          • Barfly 1.1.5.1.3

            It was and remains world wide news Gosman – if he can’t be seen able to meaningfully protect his work it will be commercially damaging to him.

            • WILD KATIPO 1.1.5.1.3.1

              Wooooohoooooooooooooo!!!

              NOW THAT’S – a bloody good point !!!!

              And we can be sure every other artist around the world will be looking on following this court trial with keen interest. Kinda balloons out and mushrooms the more one thinks about it , L0L !

              Kind of makes Gosman’s efforts to minimize it all as NZ being a small ‘market’ kind of sound bullshitty , now , doesn’t it!!!

              • dukeofurl

                Its definitely world wide news, not of the earth shattering kind, but still newsworthy.
                From memory these sort musical copyright cases are interesting on many fronts. And Judges like them too, a chance to make a groundbreaking judgement

          • michelle 1.1.5.1.4

            It’s not just about the money its about the principles the trouble is the gnats don’t have any

      • aerobubble 1.1.6

        Naff Nats, rebranding effectively is the only way forward, declare National party bankrupt. Move to a new logo.

  2. Keith 2

    It’s wrong in law, yeah but fuck it, we’re the National Party and we’ve been getting away with it for years! We’re above it.

    And the Nats epitaph ; Make sure anyone else but the National Party takes the blame!

    Anyway they have 10’s of millions to spend, either from the gazillionaires/MP’s who run that business, i mean party, or from shadowy donors who just want to “support democracy”.

    • The National party – being hung drawn and quartered by the very laws Obama passed over copyright – and to whom John Key slimed and ingratiated himself with to aid and assist in the ILLEGAL arrest of Kim Dotcom in order to have him extradited.

      This is getting so , soo , sooo incredibly RICH !!!

  3. Xanthe 3

    Where is the qcsb? where is the sis? Where are the armed police absailing from helecopters? Dont they know how we deal with (alleged) copyright infringers in this country ?

  4. saveNZ 4

    Sounds like musicians are getting sick of their music being used to promote political parties that they don’t support.

    Even worse, is a rip off of their music being used to promote political parties they don’t support.

  5. Enough is Enough 5

    Presumably National would have paid money for the alternative track. It would have been licenced to them in consideration for a fee.

    Unless they are fucking retarded, the contract between National and the company that sold them the song, would have had a standard warranty that the music does not infringe any third party intellectual property rights with a decent indemnity backing it up.

    So although National will lose in court, they should be able to rely on their contract to pass liability to the company that sold it to them.

    • dukeofurl 5.1

      Well that sort of contract would cost, maybe they took the all care no responsibility version for $500.

      This site has remixes for commercial uses
      https://www.audionetwork.com/track/searchkeyword?keyword=rap&page=2&size=3&sort=51

      • AsleepWhileWalking 5.1.1

        Maybe they had a “work for hire” contract which is common, suggested the music themselves (idk and can’t be bothered wading through the case) in which case all changes belong to them.

        *boom*

    • North 5.2

      Oh E-in-E @ 5……..you can’t as a matter of law escape significant breach of property rights on the score that someone else gave you a warranty. Can you ? Best you could do surely would be to join that someone else as a party. Not my area but the principle makes sense. Otherwise there’d be a thriving ‘defence-by-warranty’ market. Where then the ‘sanctity’ of private property my right wing chums ?

      • Enough is Enough 5.2.1

        You are absolutely right. It is not a defence

        But if such a warranty was provided then National would have a claim against them for breach of that warranty.

        I don’t know if that warranty was ever given. But if you are purchasing music for a commercial purpose, you would be an idiot in the extreme to not ask for that warranty.

  6. Anne 6

    Confess to not following this case so:

    how will the outcome affect the Kim Dotcom case? If Eminem win, will it not send a message of gross hypocrisy to the voters? Dotcom is being done for copyright infringement (involving in the first instance, as Xanthe has noted, police hit squads, helicoptors and questionable surveillance) and now the the government are being tried for something similar?

    • That was something Draco mentioned in yesterdays thread about this , and at the time this broke was one of the first things I thought about , – I think Martyn Bradbury did an article saying the same thing shortly after as well,…

      So to honour Gosman , lets again have some wisdom about the whole affair,….

      John Oliver – Eminem vs NZ National Party – YouTube
      Video for ohn Oliver – Eminem vs NZ National Party – YouTube Video for John Oliver – Eminem vs NZ National Party▶ 1:44

    • xanthe 6.2

      ahh nothing “questionable” about the surveillance of DotCom. It was Illegal!

    • McFlock 6.3

      And if the nats lose and there are damages to pay, even if the music library company accepts the liability and pays out, wouldn’t that still count as a massive financial donation/expense to the nats’ election compaign?

      • WILD KATIPO 6.3.1

        Interesting point. It could be said if it was part of the total costs of National party campaigning for this election … is there a ceiling set for expenditure / donations during an election campaign and would they have breached it ?

        • McFlock 6.3.1.1

          Yes and quite possibly

          Election expenses
          Expenditure limit

          A registered party’s election expenses during the regulated period for the 2017 general election (23 June to 22 September) must not exceed $1,115,000 (including GST) plus $26,200 (including GST) per electorate contested by the party.

          If a registered party does not contest the party vote, its total election expenses cannot exceed $26,200 (including GST) for each electorate candidate nominated by the party.

          The candidate election expenses regime does not apply to people who are list candidates only. Any spending by those candidates promoting the party is an election expense of the party and must be authorised by the party secretary.

          Party limits are separate from the expense limits applying to electorate candidates.
          Election expenses

          A party’s election expenses are the costs of advertising in any medium that:

          may reasonably be regarded as either encouraging voters to vote for the party or discouraging voters from voting for another party, or both (whether or not the name of the party(s) are mentioned)
          is published, or continues to be published, during the regulated period, and
          is promoted by the party secretary or any person (including a registered promoter) authorised by the party secretary. [See section 206 of the Electoral Act]

          Party election expenses include:

          the cost incurred in the preparation, design, composition, printing, postage and publication of the advertisement
          the reasonable market value of any materials used for the advertisement, including materials provided to the party free of charge or below reasonable market value
          the apportioned costs for advertisements that promote two or more parties, or a party and a candidate. [See section 3E of the Electoral Act]

          The costs of food, hall hire, surveys or opinion polls, free labour or replacing materials destroyed through no fault of the party are not election expenses. Nomination and party list deposits are not election expenses.

          The cost of any framework that supports a sign (other than a commercial framework) is not an expense.

          The costs of broadcasting election programmes paid for out of the broadcasting allocation by the Commission are not election expenses.

          I wonder if their legal fees will count if they lose?

  7. Peterh 7

    No it was pretty legal. dot coms laughing all the way to the bank

    • Actually the warrant to arrest Kim Dotcom was flawed thus making the arrest and thus making the freezing of Dotcoms assets – AND – the denial of a phone call to contact lawyers while in prison , ILLEGAL.

      As was the ILLEGAL spying on 88 other NZ citizens and residents ( including Dotcom) conducted by the GSCB at the time.

      And so retrospectively – under guidance from both the USA and Britain’s 5 eyes branches , John Key retrospectively changed the laws governing GSCB and SIS surveillance and greatly advanced Police powers in those areas as well .

      However , we notice he didn’t drop the process to have Dotcom charged in our courts at a foreign nations behest that does not have any jurisdiction in this sovereign nation. And that was because the FBI was acting on behalf of the Hollywood Motion Picture Industry which was a body charged to draw up terms for the TTPA to be ratified in Congress.

      So not only is anyone who says the treatment of Kim Dotcom was / is either justified or legal ,- they are also talking out of a hole in their arse , not aware of the facts , and are conveniently in denial in order to advance their own surreptitious right wing agendas.

      AND aligning themselves with America’s NSA which was found in court to have been illegally conducting surveillance of all American citizens electronic communications.

      AND have recently been in the news again trying on the same sort of stunt all over again for a second time around.

  8. mosa 8

    That famous Joyce phrase ” pretty legal ” just about sums up the how they view the law and how it’s applied when it gets in the way of them being held accountable for their crimes, in other words let’s bend the law as much as we can and hope we get away with it.

    No wonder Key slipped under the radar with his behaviour and misdemeanours.
    And that’s the ones we know about !

    The National party believes it’s only illegal if you get don’t get caught !

    What a way to run a country.

    • Well , we’ve already had common assault by John Key,

      Pike River ,

      The illegal arrest of Kim Dotcom ,

      And now this ,- the National party being done in our courts for copyright infringements of a popular USA rap stars music.

      Sweet revenge for Mr Kim Dotcom.

      • mosa 8.1.1

        Yes it makes a mockery of John Key’s statement ” The government i lead will be a government of good standards ” .

        The cover ups are just as bad and the Mike Sabin affair is a case in point.

        https://yournz.org/2015/02/16/what-we-know-about-mike-sabin/

        • WILD KATIPO 8.1.1.1

          And about as slanted as the mans son who worked for TV3 as a political reporter and his counterpart colleague over at TV1 who set up the framing , misleading reporting of Kim Dotcom in order to smear and discredit and divert attention from Internet / Mana political party policy’s at their launch.

          Not all of us have short memories.

          Dishonest Right wing shitheads would do well to remember that …

          • mosa 8.1.1.1.1

            Yeah it seems that when it comes to enforcing the law like the illegal raid on Nicky Hagar’s home and the K.D.C fiasco the National government are quite prepared to do what’s necessary to punish its or a foreign powers enemy.

            John key sacked Richard Worth for his behaviour towards women in 2009 yet did not resign over his treatment of a waitress that happened multiple times.
            Key said ” if he had not resigned i would have sacked him ” shame he did not have the mana and do the same.

  9. Sacha 9

    Expert witness compares the rip-off with the original song – and story includes clips of both: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11848563

    • McFlock 9.1

      lol nice – it’s a copy, but a bit shit as a copy.

      Has anyone actually pointed out the elephant in the room that “Eminem-Esque” is the freaking name of the track? How will they argue that’s a coincidence, I wonder?

      • Chris 9.1.1

        The issue isn’t about whether it’s a coincidence. They’ll say that what they bought was a sound recording that broadly resembles the music of Eminem therefore it cannot be said it’s similar enough to a specific work. That is what they’ll argue.

  10. Andre 10

    Interesting that the defense is trying the argument that they’re different enough that there’s no infringement. Maybe they’re hoping Led Zeppelin’s recent win bolsters that argument. But “Eminem-esque” is a hell of a lot closer to “Lose Yourself” than “Twist and Shout” is to “La Bamba” or “Eminem-esque” to “Kashmir”. Hell, National’s ad even includes a little piano riff at the end which is very similar to the piano riff a couple of minutes in to “Lose Yourself”.

    I’m also curious if anyone else has used “Eminem-esque”. And whether it was pre-existing in a library or created after National showed interest in buying something.

  11. Cinny 11

    Wondering why those on KiwiBlog seem to not want to discuss this lawsuit that the outgoing government is embroiled in?

    After all it involves their preferred political party being sued by the most famous rapper on the planet. I would have thought it was very topical, it’s made news all over the world, again.

    RT
    BBC
    Rolling Stone
    Fox
    BillBoard

    • I think because those on KIWIBLOG prefer Richard Wagner’s classical music rather than rap.

    • Chris 11.2

      Notice how the poms describe the issue accurately. “Eminem has taken New Zealand’s governing party to court over a music track it used for a campaign ad.” Refreshing to see.

    • North 11.3

      Goodness does this mean that ShonKey might be a little bit eschewed around the truly marvellous world of elite-corporate globalism ? For acting like a wide boy. Or are they all the same ?

  12. Anne 12

    I know what your getting at but nope… not possible. They would think Richard Wagner was the name of a whisky brewed somewhere in Northern Britain. Actually, I’m not sure they would even be able to cognate that…

    • Cinny 12.1

      Lmao 😀

      TBH I had to google Wagner, and once again have expanded my knowledge via the standard, so thanks for that WK
      I did discover that Wagner and Eminem have a couple of things in common, controversial lyrics and a political party starting with N using their material.

  13. Ross 13

    David Farrar must be concerned because he’s blogging about the case despite saying he wouldn’t until it was over.

    What’s funny is that the Tories got into strife in 2007 about its use of a Coldplay song. It was warned by lawyers acting on behalf of EMI and subsequently recalled copies of the relevant DVD. What’s also funny is that at the time, David Farrar announced that “I think I can safely predict it won’t happen again!” The Tories just don’t learn.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10479448
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/12/national_recalls_dvd.html

  14. Slim 14

    Stan 3 Limited? Surely a giant pisstake given the Nats production company is named in reference to Stan the 3rd track on the Eminem Marshall Mathers LP. Well done Glenn Jamieson. Giant gormless fool.

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  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    3 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    3 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    3 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    4 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    5 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    6 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    6 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    7 days ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    1 week ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    2 weeks ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago

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