web analytics

Even Kiwiblog won’t defend Joyce’s $11.7 billion claim

Written By: - Date published: 11:58 am, September 5th, 2017 - 15 comments
Categories: bill english, blogs, David Farrar, dpf, election 2017, making shit up, Media, national, Politics, same old national, spin, Steven Joyce, the praiseworthy and the pitiful, you couldn't make this shit up - Tags:

As the dust settles and the overwhelming preponderance of experts agree that Steven Joyce’s budget hole claims are fanciful I thought it was time to hop on over to Kiwiblog to see how David Farrar was handling the issue.

It seems that he was trying in a tepid sort of way to support the nonsense that there was actually a financial hole.  He had put up a post titled “The 11.7 billion hole“.  But knowledgeable commentators not normally sympathetic to Labour questioned the spin contained in the heading and in the article.

https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/904796120513077248

https://twitter.com/MatthewHootonNZ/status/904827821473665024

https://twitter.com/MattW129/status/904828461558128644

Farrar then amended his post by adding a ? to the title.

In the content of the post he does not address Joyce’s primary claim, that Labour had not allowed for $9.4 billion in funding consequential to various new policies planned to be implemented. Instead he talked darkly about Labour’s inability to hold down spending which is an entirely different issue. And he links to a Hamish Rutherford article that concludes that confusion over the meaning of a phrase rather than a large financial hole is what has happened.

Not addressing the core allegation made by Joyce could be considered an admission by the Government’s chief social media cheerleader and pollster that Joyce and English have got it wrong.

And even the comments showed that even National’s supporters are seeing through the fiction.

Comments like this from m@tt:

The difference being that almost everyone agrees that there is no hole. Even I can see there is no hole.

I’ve changed my mind, Joyce should stay silent for the rest of the campaign, his brain fart is almost, but not quite, as dumb as labour’s HFee crap 9 years ago.

And ztev:

Joyce is the one claiming a hole – that no one else can see.

The only hole is the one failed economics student Steven Leonard Joyce is digging

And MGT:

So not a word about Steven Joyce?
His credibility is in the gutter now.

And Huevon:

To be fair to Labour, Joyce did overblow it. He could have just said Labour’s plan assumes no new spending for 3 years and if you believe that you’ll believe anything.

And Muttonbird:

So no hole then. Even Farrar agrees.

At least we’ve put that to bed.

Others came up with this weird conspiracy theory involving BERL without actually addressing the main issue which is whether or not the hole actually exists. But no one tried to defend Joyce’s primary claim.

It seems that apart from Steven Joyce, Bill English and the Taxpayer’s union no one believes that Joyce’s claim about Labour’s financials is true.

15 comments on “Even Kiwiblog won’t defend Joyce’s $11.7 billion claim ”

  1. tc 1

    The national party spinner gets caught at it again, shows how under the thumb penguin is that he posted it in true sycophant style rather than stay well away.

    Now he has to allow negative comments about his paymasters…..hilarious and just plain stupid really.

  2. Tricledrown 2

    When Dildo Joyce announced the lie he couldn’t look the Media in the eye.
    He knows its a lie a dead cat spin.
    Jacinda should ask for specific figures specific years and say its the old Dead Cat distraction technique they wheel out every election.

  3. Tricledrown 3

    The dead cat trick from Crosby Text or.
    Dildo Joyce couldn’t look the media in the eye as he announced his big fat dead cat lie.
    Labour should asked for specific numbers in specific spending area’s in which years Jacinda needs to get up to date with year to year spending and Nationals Policy.
    To catch them out.

  4. Sanctuary 4

    There is a lesson to Labour’s previous tactic of barking at every car in this story. Jacinda’s tactics have been to not rise to the bait and be, as she has said a million times, “relentlessly positive”. So when she is quoted today as saying National has tired to mislead the public, it suddenly has authority. “Jacinda wouldn’t say something negative like that if it wasn’t true” one imagines Jane musing to Joe Sixpack.

    So in the end, I think this has failed as an attack angle for the Nats – in fact, it has just fed the narrative of positive Jacinda vs the negative Nats.

    • tc 4.1

      And fed the narrative that joyce is a remorseless arrogant liar of a finance minister

      • tracey 4.1.1

        Who won’t be hounded for days by the media until he admits it is all too much for him to have his lies revealed and so so resigns….

  5. Enough is Enough 5

    Both sides are being very hysterical over this.

    The issue is over the different accounting methods used in relation to operating allowances.

    The numbers still add up though

    • Drowsy M. Kram 5.1

      “Both sides” (Labour and National?) “are being very hysterical over this.”

      That’s hysterically funny. My take, for what it’s worth, is that ‘our’ Government’s Minister of Finance told an $11.7 billion dollar lie, and ‘our’ Prime Minister was happy to repeat that lie in last night’s TV3 debate.

      Joyce, English, Key, Collins, Smith, Bennett et al., supported by the MSM, equate lying with good governance and electioneering, but it’s a bit rich to expect the majority of the electorate to continue to swallow this corrupt and corrosive approach.

      The numbers add up, but National can’t wise up – not in their nature; they just don’t care.

      Time for a change.

    • tracey 5.2

      Is this a week when lying doesn’t matter? It is hard to keep track. Cabinet Ministers lie = politics, beneficiary lies when 23 to get ahead = “off with her head”

  6. Dan 6

    Michael Cullen earned a very positive reputation as a Minister of Finance. He got some of NZ’s debt way down. How is it that that figure is never celebrated to show how recent Labour governments, far from being spendthrifts, were careful with their $$$$
    And how is it that the Nats are able to hide their $90b debt and also set up PPP schemes to hide further debt???

    • Good points there , tbh,… I’ve often wondered that myself and why there hasn’t been a more concerted effort to highlight that every time the Nats try their boring , worn out line about blaming Labour,… seriously ,… its probably the most puerile tactic ever to try and use that false scaremongering tactic.

      A short history lesson used as a reminder would set the record straight.

      Meh , … Nationals going down soon anyways,…

      So happy days,…. Mr Hosking

      🙂

  7. greywarshark 7

    Here is a rousing and heartening speech about losing everything because of politics and bad economics and how other people react to it and rise with strength and solidarity.
    Pete Postlethwaite from Brassed Off

  8. Keepcalmcarryon 8

    One too many sex toys to the head.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Twenty highlights of 2020
    As we welcome in the new year, our focus is on continuing to keep New Zealanders safe and moving forward with our economic recovery. There’s a lot to get on with, but before we say a final goodbye to 2020, here’s a quick look back at some of the milestones ...
    2 weeks ago

  • Cook Islanders to resume travel to New Zealand
    The Prime Minister of New Zealand Jacinda Ardern and the Prime Minister of the Cook Islands Mark Brown have announced passengers from the Cook Islands can resume quarantine-free travel into New Zealand from 21 January, enabling access to essential services such as health. “Following confirmation of the Cook Islands’ COVID ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Supporting communities and landowners to grow employment opportunities
    Jobs for Nature funding is being made available to conservation groups and landowners to employ staff and contractors in a move aimed at boosting local biodiversity-focused projects, Conservation Minister Kiritapu Allan has announced. It is estimated some 400-plus jobs will be created with employment opportunities in ecology, restoration, trapping, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Border exception for some returning international tertiary students
    The Government has approved an exception class for 1000 international tertiary students, degree level and above, who began their study in New Zealand but were caught offshore when border restrictions began. The exception will allow students to return to New Zealand in stages from April 2021. “Our top priority continues ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Tiwai deal gives time for managed transition
    Today’s deal between Meridian and Rio Tinto for the Tiwai smelter to remain open another four years provides time for a managed transition for Southland. “The deal provides welcome certainty to the Southland community by protecting jobs and incomes as the region plans for the future. The Government is committed ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • New member for APEC Business Advisory Council
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has appointed Anna Curzon to the APEC Business Advisory Council (ABAC). The leader of each APEC economy appoints three private sector representatives to ABAC. ABAC provides advice to leaders annually on business priorities. “ABAC helps ensure that APEC’s work programme is informed by business community perspectives ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Govt’s careful economic management recognised
    The Government’s prudent fiscal management and strong policy programme in the face of the COVID-19 global pandemic have been acknowledged by the credit rating agency Fitch. Fitch has today affirmed New Zealand’s local currency rating at AA+ with a stable outlook and foreign currency rating at AA with a positive ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Additional actions to keep COVID-19 out of NZ
    The Government is putting in place a suite of additional actions to protect New Zealand from COVID-19, including new emerging variants, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “Given the high rates of infection in many countries and evidence of the global spread of more transmissible variants, it’s clear that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • 19 projects will clean up and protect waterways
    $36 million of Government funding alongside councils and others for 19 projects Investment will clean up and protect waterways and create local jobs Boots on the ground expected in Q2 of 2021 Funding part of the Jobs for Nature policy package A package of 19 projects will help clean up ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • New Zealand Government acknowledges 175th anniversary of Battle of Ruapekapeka
    The commemoration of the 175th anniversary of the Battle of Ruapekapeka represents an opportunity for all New Zealanders to reflect on the role these conflicts have had in creating our modern nation, says Associate Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage Kiri Allan. “The Battle at Te Ruapekapeka Pā, which took ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Better care for babies with tongue-tie
    Babies born with tongue-tie will be assessed and treated consistently under new guidelines released by the Ministry of Health, Associate Minister of Health Dr Ayesha Verrall announced today. Around 5% to 10% of babies are born with a tongue-tie, or ankyloglossia, in New Zealand each year. At least half can ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Prisoner disorder event at Waikeria Prison over
    The prisoner disorder event at Waikeria Prison is over, with all remaining prisoners now safely and securely detained, Corrections Minister Kelvin Davis says. The majority of those involved in the event are members of the Mongols and Comancheros. Five of the men are deportees from Australia, with three subject to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Pre-departure COVID-19 test for travellers from the UK and the US from 15 January
    Travellers from the United Kingdom or the United States bound for New Zealand will be required to get a negative test result for COVID-19 before departing, and work is underway to extend the requirement to other long haul flights to New Zealand, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed today. “The new PCR test requirement, foreshadowed last ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • PM congratulates New Year Honour recipients
    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has added her warm congratulations to the New Zealanders recognised for their contributions to their communities and the country in the New Year 2021 Honours List. “The past year has been one that few of us could have imagined. In spite of all the things that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • David Parker congratulates New Year 2021 Honours recipients
    Attorney-General and Minister for the Environment David Parker has congratulated two retired judges who have had their contributions to the country and their communities recognised in the New Year 2021 Honours list. The Hon Tony Randerson QC has been appointed a Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit for ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • New Year’s Honours highlights outstanding Pacific leadership through challenging year
    Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio says the New Year’s Honours List 2021 highlights again the outstanding contribution made by Pacific people across Aotearoa. “We are acknowledging the work of 13 Pacific leaders in the New Year’s Honours, representing a number of sectors including health, education, community, sports, the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago
  • Supporting seniors to embrace technology
    The Government’s investment in digital literacy training for seniors has led to more than 250 people participating so far, helping them stay connected. “COVID-19 has meant older New Zealanders are showing more interest in learning how to use technology like Zoom and Skype so they can to keep in touch ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago