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1. coge 1

   17 May 2008 at 11:56 am

   The problem is that Labour have not been listening. Now no one is listening to them. NZ is a great country with a future as good as anywhere on the planet. Unfortunately Labour do not seem to grasp this point, or even articulate the idea. I believe the railway purchase was not seen as prudent stewardship by the majority of NZer’s, hence the further decline in confidence for the Labour led Govt.
2. higherstandard 2

   17 May 2008 at 12:08 pm

   National will be very unlikely to get enough of the vote to govern alone their support will come back under the 50% mark as we get closer to the election what is becoming clear is that the general trend is now almost certainly pointing towards a National led government.

   And to the surprise of many who comment at the Standard the sun will still come up in the morning and we’ll still have a predominantly state funded health and education system. In the medium term I believe it will also be good for the Labour party – clean out some of the dross and more new blood and reinvigorate after 9 years in power.
3. r0b 3

   17 May 2008 at 12:15 pm

   The problem is that Labour have not been listening.

   Are you sure coge? How can you tell? Have you ever gone to talk to your MP, or considered the number of appointments they have with members of the public (often people under great stress) on a weekly basis?

   Despite it’s rather dramatic title, the following Herald piece is an interesting read:

   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10510655&pnum=0

   Clark has made it her routine as Prime Minister to visit a town or city outside Wellington on the Thursday of weeks when Parliament is sitting, and she tries to get around as many regions as she can during recess periods. It is all part of keeping in touch, keeping up a presence, and keeping an ear to the ground to sense the public mood.

   Determined to never be caught out lacking a key fact or knowledge of something that is troubling everyday folk, Clark is receiving regular updates about everything from the price of milk to a loaf of bread and a litre of petrol.

   NZ is a great country with a future as good as anywhere on the planet. Unfortunately Labour do not seem to grasp this point, or even articulate the idea.

   Sigh. How many speeches about working towards our bright future should I point you towards coge? Anyway, later, got to go and dig a hole.

   (Captcha: popularity kheel — huh?)
4. Inventory2 4

   17 May 2008 at 12:27 pm

   Hugely popular rail buy-back?

   Hugely popular with who?
5. Stephen 5

   17 May 2008 at 12:37 pm

   yeah…I thought it was more like 60-65% approval (maybe that is hugely popular)
6. higherstandard 6

   17 May 2008 at 12:38 pm

   rOb

   Don’t take offence but the reason many have turned off Labour is exactly the behaviour you’re modelling ‘shoot the messenger’

   Just recently the Standard slated Fran O’Sullivan yet she’s written a glowing piece on the Prime Ministers work on FTAs today.

   This, I believe, is Labour’s key problem they’ll take the praise when due but anything negative is dismissed, ignored or even worse brushed under the carpet.

   My belief is that Labour will be trounced in the coming election for the simple reason that there is no longer any substantial belief by the public that they are the servants of the people and they have become increasingly viewed as avaricious and dismissive of anything which can be viewed as impacting negatively on Labour.

   [lprent: you’re not talking about me, right. You’re referring to IrishBill in his post.]
7. j 7

   17 May 2008 at 12:50 pm

   “Hugely popular rail buy-back?

   Hugely popular with who?”

   Toll shareholders.

   On a more serious note I’m really surprised that Clark is so out of touch given that she’s one of our most competent PMs’. At the end of the day you can go to as many meetings as you like but if you pass legislation like the anti-smacking bill which tends to polarise people against you then in my mind you are out of touch.
8. Monty 8

   17 May 2008 at 1:29 pm

   “Hugely popular buy back of Railways” – say what – the focus group copnducted in suburban Taita has got it so wrong -= and then cullen lied to the country about the price. i expect labour to dip below 25% in a poll before the election
9. erikter 9

   17 May 2008 at 1:33 pm

   Cullen, the flagrant liar, is bringing down the Labour Party!

   His duplicity about the price paid to Toll will come to haunt this government, which should now be preparing to become the opposition.
10. DS 10

    17 May 2008 at 1:53 pm

    This one screams rogue poll.
11. Adolf Fiinkensein 11

    17 May 2008 at 1:54 pm

    Labour won’t even make it into opposition. The Greens will have more seats by September. This ain’t no rogue poll and you’ve got four more months of these adverse trend lines still to go. Clark and Cullen have actually destroyed the Labour Party.
12. Robinsod 12

    17 May 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Adolf – why did you name yourself after Hitler? Do you think it’s funny?

    [lprent: ‘sod – it is a name. Thats like asking you why you named yourself after a thief – Robin Hood]
13. r0b 13

    17 May 2008 at 5:06 pm

    HS: Don’t take offence but the reason many have turned off Labour is exactly the behaviour you’re modelling ‘shoot the messenger’

    Ummm – what? Is that what shooting the messenger looks like to you HS? For goodness sake get a grip!

    I’ve only shot a messenger once. It looked like this. I ain’t proud of it.
14. Adolf Fiinkensein 14

    17 May 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Robinsod, not only are you a tired bore but you have become a cracked record. If you must know, my father was a Jew who hated Germans and when I was born he took one look and named me Adolf. If you believe that, you’ll believe anything. You probably do, if you believe Cullen and Clark. C & C stands for cancerous and corrosive.
15. Steve Withers 15

    17 May 2008 at 9:07 pm

    My problem with the Fairfax poll is that it says nothing about the numbers of undecided.

    The support recorded for all the parties could be something else completely if 30% of those sampled were undecided.

    I tend not to give much cred to polls that conceal the undecided proportion. They are – to me – misleading and too openly manipulative in doing so.
16. Ari 16

    17 May 2008 at 9:11 pm

    Wow, this poll has New Zealand First over 5%?

    It’s certainly a very dramatic jump from everything else we’ve been seeing recently…
17. erikter 17

    18 May 2008 at 7:34 am

    “Wow, this poll has New Zealand First over 5%?”

    Don’t you jump for joy too soon. Peters, the incorruptible political whore, and his cohorts are doomed.

    Peters will retire to sunny Auckland after November.
18. jon 18

    18 May 2008 at 7:40 am

    Robin Hood? – I thought it may have been Ro Bin Sod after Osama Bin Laden, then looked at the possibility of Robins Odd – perhaps?
    but Im happy to settle on Dylan
19. Phil 19

    18 May 2008 at 8:58 am

    The thing that really scares the shit out of me is how many people want to see GST removed on some items, and are willing to put up with the possibility of higher interest rates and inflation, all for a tax cut now…

    National has to pull a big number out of the bag if they want to keep all of the people happy.
20. expat 20

    18 May 2008 at 9:01 am

    what like no GST on fruit and vege? That’ll blow the inflation targets out. Interest rates cant go any higher cause labour were too stupid to change the reserve banks mandate when it mattered.

    National just have to let Mikhael screw himself and labour.
21. lprent 21

    18 May 2008 at 10:23 am

    Phil: I’d agree for slightly different reasons. The relative simplicity of GST makes it easy to administer at both the government and the business side. Therefore it is relatively cheap to run. I’ve seen code to run both the VAT (UK) and GST in aussie, It is really complex compared to the code here. The admin procedures on to to handle exceptions would be a pain to run.

    Each exception costs everyone. Prices will rise accordingly.
22. Phil 22

    18 May 2008 at 10:31 am

    I agree Lynn, it’s a nightmare-in-the-waiting, similar to the ‘gas tax holiday’ Hillary Clinton was suggesting.
23. Psycho Milt 23

    18 May 2008 at 8:33 pm

    Following the hugely popular rail buyback it’s hard to see what could have caused a swing of this size…

    Is it really? I’ve been unable to believe the incompetence displayed the last couple of weeks – first trying to saddle us all with a raft of extra costs so Helen can have something concrete to show for her bluster about the environment, then demonstrating they actually don’t have the bollocks to go through with it. They’ve completely lost what little respect I still had for them. Clearly I’m not alone.
24. jon 24

    18 May 2008 at 8:46 pm

    “Following the hugely popular rail buyback it’s hard to see what could have caused a swing of this size ”

    Maybe it was getting caught trying to bullshit NZ on the price?

    Without a doubt Cullens attitude is one of Labours biggest liabilities

Links to post

1. A change to what? at The Standard 2.01: posted on 17 May 2008 at 11:35 am
2. Roy Morgan at The Standard 2.01: posted on 23 May 2008 at 9:44 am
3. Herald Digipoll at The Standard 2.01: posted on 30 May 2008 at 10:59 am

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