Family Fist

Written By: - Date published: 5:45 pm, January 29th, 2008 - 57 comments
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Mike Moreu from The Press is shaping up to be quite a fine cartoonist. Here’s his take on the Religious Right’s petition to restore the riding crop lady‘s right to beat her children.


Meanwhile the folks over at Newzblog have done a great send-up of the increasingly incoherent Garth McVicar from Sensible Sentencing and the equally dreadful Christine Rankin of “we’ve got a Maori problem” fame.

All the more timely in light of today’s speech. I wonder what Garth would think of boot camps?

57 comments on “Family Fist”

  1. Oh yeah – this is easily as apt as Redbaiter accusing every social democrat in the country of being a Stalinist. What incisive wit.

  2. Ruth 2

    Haha – the referendum questions are idiotic as the cartoonist points out.

    Maybe one should have been “Do you think inflicting physical pain as punishment is a part of good parenting?” That is what their question actually means.


  3. Monty 3

    or maybe – Do you think a good parent should be criminalised for doing their job. Interesting to note that Nutty Sue Bradford is straight away using emotive language like “beating” and “bashing” to describe the way i raise my well disciplined, well behaved, likeable three children. I am pleased I signed the petition and I pray that the 300,000 signatures are obtained. Certainly when I signed it over the Christmas break there was a queue of people signing up. I think the old Maori lady behind me summed it up when she said something to the effect “what business does Labour have telling me how to raise mylovely children”

  4. deemac 4

    I cringe to think NZ will once again be seen overseas as living in the past – I try so hard to convince people it’s not like that any more but things like this make us look like social dinosaurs

  5. Simeon 5

    Absolutely sick Tane absolutely sick

    Family first among other groups want a referendum on the “anti-smacking” law. Do you not get it. They actually believe in democracy unlike you.

    I guess you don’t even know what referendum means

  6. Jimmy Mason 6

    This smacking law is real sick .

  7. The Double Standatrd 7

    It’s a good cartoon.

    Of course, Teh Party would be happier if the 250,000 plus who have signed the petition were Party members eh? How many votes do you think the s59 won Labour?

    I’m sure stories like this will drive more supporters to FF.

  8. Policy Parrot 8

    The religious right should follow the Gloriavale example, by breaking off from the rest of the wider community, and going and forming a pure-Christian-“commune” (for lack of a better word).

    Then they can control all they like. And they have the nerve to suggest that the Government is interfering in people’s lives.

  9. And they have the nerve to suggest that the Government is interfering in people’s lives.

    Damn right – all the govt is doing is criminalising parents, whereas these fucking religious mofos are trying to… to… er, what exactly was your point again?

  10. burt 10

    Policy Parrot

    Good idea, they can take the extreme left wing activists and the extreme right wing activists with them. They can take the telephone cleaners and the dental hygienists as well – we don’t need that bloody diversity thing in our communities. Life will be much easier when we are all drones wearing plain light brown overalls (or perhaps red ones for ceremonial occasions).

    Simeon hits the nail on the head – these guys are asking the public to decide, not just cheering their own flavour of political party because it’s much easier if nanny looks after such tough decisions for us.

    CAPTCHA daily childless – very appropriate.

  11. James Kearney 11

    Oh yeah – this is easily as apt as Redbaiter accusing every social democrat in the country of being a Stalinist. What incisive wit.

    It’s pretty clear to me that the cartoonist is satirising the religious nutters behind the petition and not the people who signed it Milt.

    Loved the link to sod’s piece – you’re on fire brother.

  12. lawyer dude 12

    Attention Jimmy Mason.I can assist with your court case.Talk about fire brother.Things are hotting up.Sit tight.Big shake up coming.Lots going down.

  13. Simeon 13

    vote in the poll at

    The question is “Should there be a referendum on the anti-smacking bill?”

  14. Concerned from Tawa 14

    Bob McCroskie:” So you do not want to see smacking banned?”
    Helen Clark: “Absolutely not, I think you are trying to defy human nature.”

    I’m antismacking, but if Clark hasn’t signed the petition then she’s a complete hippocrate. Hollow.

  15. Simeon 15

    on the TV 3 poll 73% say yes there should be a referendum on the “anti-smacking” law.

    Only 21% say No.

    So who’s right. It seems quite obvious.

  16. So who’s right. It seems quite obvious.

    Does it? The matter of what’s more popular seems obvious – “right” is a different question altogether.

    I haven’t and wouldn’t sign these “loving smack” loonies’ petition. It’s one thing to object to being made a criminal by some do-gooder wowsers, quite another to campaign for the right to hit your kids.

  17. lawyer dude 17

    You wouldn’t sign a ‘loonies’ petition with a name like psycho?
    300,000 ‘loonies’ is a lot of votes Ms Milt.

  18. Concerned from Tawa 18

    Psycho I wouldn’t sign it either. But in light of Clark’s comment above I feel she should, or is she just a hollow hippocrate?

  19. Daveo 19

    Give it a rest Concerned. You’re boring.

  20. Concerned from Tawa 20

    Oh I know I’m boring Daveo. Clark’s statement on smacking was quite clear. Yet is is Family First that wears the smears. You give it a rest or you’ll just sound hollow and hippocritical like Clark. Guess I’ll get banned soon.

  21. AncientGeek 21

    Well the holiday is over. Back to work.

    As I understand it – virtually every party in parliament voted FOR the repeal of s59, including National. wikipedia (article is inaccurate, from memory Copeland didn’t actually vote against – press conference or something).

    from granny:

    Green MP Sue Bradford’s controversial child discipline bill was tonight passed by Parliament, with only seven MPs voting against it.

    My point is that we have a representative democracy – what convinced that number of representatives to vote for the bill? Probably the same that convinced me to switch from “why do we need the law change?” to why we badly need it. The opposition to the bill scared the hell out of me – the hysteria of the opposition convinced me that there were people around who’d I HATE to give a defense of reasonable force to.

    Looks like they are still around

  22. Michele Cabiling 22

    Anyone talking about “children’s rights” is actually talking about rights that they wish to take away from parents and bestow on the state.

    Summed up in Shrillary Clinton’s lame-ass observation “it takes a village to raise a child.” This, of course ignores the fact that most people don’t want their child raised by a village.

    Sue Bradford remains a militant Marxist-Leninist dedicated to undermining the institutions of a free society and replacing them with totalitarian socialism.

    The three main roadblocks to the Marxist-Leninist goal of a secular and socialist world order are private property (which provides material independence from state power), the family (which affords loyalties prior to the state), and religion (which claims authority above that of the state).

    Marx claimed that society is evolving inexorably toward socialism through a process called dialectical materialism. Here, an existing condition (thesis) comes into conflict with a new condition (antithesis) that is attempting to emerge. Out of the dialectical conflict between these two opposing forces a new, higher condition (synthesis) emerges. This is then put through the process again as the new thesis, until the institutions of a free society are completely eradicated and full socialism is achieved.

    Lenin expanded Marx’s dialectical analysis from its early focus on economic relationships to take in social and political relationships, thus widening the role of the revolutionary as a change agent. The task of the revolutionary was now to identify and exploit pressure points for dialectical conflict, thus undermining the legitimacy of the existing social and political order, and hastening the eventual triumph of socialism.

    Society must be divided (with the help of useful idiots looking for opportunities to engage in moral preening) into “oppressor” and “oppressed” groups. Bradford’s wheeze of casting normal, loving parents as “oppressors” and children as an “oppressed” group requiring the intervention of an activist government is classic Marxist-Leninist dialectical tactics in action.

    This undermines the family and replaces its determinative powers with that of the state. It also enables organised religion to be attacked and discredited for providing a philosophical base for the Judeo-Christian nuclear family model.

    Think about it. In “Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State,” Engels wrote: “Within the family, man is the bourgeoisie, women and children the proletariat.” Marxist-Leninists therefore regard the family as the instition within which children are socialised into the hierarchical system of capitalist class relations, and thus a key target for dialectical attack.

    To use terminology popularised by another well-known parliamentary leftard, Bradford is nothing but a “hater and a wrecker.”

  23. Aj 23


    Well said.

  24. outofbed 24

    One thinks that Simoen would have opposed the repeal of slavery, votes for women, the matrimonial property legislation, the homosexual reform bill etc etc.
    Luckily there are people who think progressively eh ?

  25. AncientGeek 25

    Actually I think that Michele makes my point… well in obverse. Good example of quoting – could you Pleeeassssseeeeee use links. I know you can do it – you’ve done it before..

    Plagiarism could be considered to be a sin…

  26. outofbed 26

    Michele you don’t need to hit children for no other reason then its wrong . It is poor parenting, does not need to happen, and sends the wrong message.
    If one can “correct” misbehaviour without resorting to violence why wouldn’t you ?

  27. Draco TB 27

    Bob McCroskie:” So you do not want to see smacking banned?”
    Helen Clark: “Absolutely not, I think you are trying to defy human nature.”

    I’m antismacking, but if Clark hasn’t signed the petition then she’s a complete hippocrate. Hollow.

    You may not have noticed this but smacking hasn’t been banned. The only change in the law is that parents no longer have a get out of gaol free card for assaulting their children.

    So, no – she’s not a hypocrite or hollow. You are for not understanding the law and then accusing someone else of your faults.

  28. As I understand it – virtually every party in parliament voted FOR the repeal of s59…

    And as I understand it, the bill only passed because Labour stripped its MPs of the right to vote their consciences, and John Key fondly imagined himself to have cut a deal mitigating its worst effects (he hadn’t – but Nat voters are generally such unthinking suckers that many are now fondly imagining he’ll repeal it once in power. How these people ever get to be the govt is beyond me). Our representative democracy has passed crap laws I won’t obey before now, so this is just one more – but I’d prefer it if they didn’t criminalise perfectly ordinary behaviour in the first place. Call it a quirk.

    NB: Copeland did vote against – but only because reporters reminded him in the middle of his press conference that those bells he could hear were of some significance to the subject he was pontificating about…

    You wouldn’t sign a ‘loonies’ petition with a name like psycho? 300,000 ‘loonies’ is a lot of votes Ms Milt.

    So, you’ve learned not to leave a space in front of your punctuation, Dad4Justice? Clever – you’ll figure out how to use sock puppets effectively yet, by the look of it.

  29. Grr – “You wouldn’t sign a ‘loonies’ petition with a name like psycho? 300,000 ‘loonies’ is a lot of votes Ms Milt” above should be in italics. It’s a quote from Lawyer Dude, ie Dad4Justice.

  30. lawyer dude 31


    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  31. dave 32

    Tane, you say the petition is from the “religius right”. Do you actually know who constructed the petition? Clue: It wasn`t anyone from Family First. Obviously the cartoonist and most of The Standard bloggers arent aware of that.

  32. lawyer dude 33

    Family First did not organize the petition.Provable fact.

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  33. Tane 34

    Yeah, as I understand it the petition was organised by ‘Unity for Liberty’ or somesuch organisation fronted by Larry Baldock. I’m on their mailing list.

    However, Family First have been the public voice on this issue and have spent tens (if not hundreds) of thousands on advertising against the Section 59 repeal. I imagine will have also been deeply involved in drumming up signatures for the petition. These groups don’t operate in isolation.

  34. Er, dave… is there any sense in which Larry Baldock is not “the religious right?”

  35. lawyer dude 36

    Careful Milt

  36. Michele Cabiling 37

    As noted above, the fashionable crusade of “children’s rights” is self-consciously anti-family. The gummint is declared to be more interested in the welfare of children than are their parents.

    It seeks rights and laws for children that neither they, nor their parents, want. It promises children legal sanctions against their parents. In so doing, it pits children into dialectical conflict with their parents.

    The inescapable implication is that children are not in safe hands with their own parents and that Nanny State has to intervene in order to protect them. The assumption that parents are at best inadequate, and at worst, hostile, to the needs of their children is straight-out anti-family propaganda.

    A “right” is classically defined as “the freedom to act without interference, according to one’s conscience.” It means nothing unless the individual has the capacity to act upon their right. Children, by nature of their immaturity and inexperience, do not have that capacity.

    That’s why they have people who act FOR them, in the form of the people who created them and who love them more than anyone else. Those people, the adult parents, have a freedom to act according to their conscience, and within the law, with their children. It is that freedom that the Communist Sue Bradford has snatched away with the help of the useful idiots who supported her Private Member’s Bill.

    Note that s59 already protected children against outright physical abuse masquerading as “discipline.”

    Socialist Sweden was cited by the Bill’s supporters as having similar laws that NZ should emulate. What has been the Swedish experience?

    The Nordic Committee, under its energetic and fearless chairman Ruby Harrold-Claesson (who came to NZ to speak against anti-smacking legislation), has managed to access many of the figures relating to the seizure of children by the Swedish authorities.

    These are difficult to obtain because they are not recorded in the normal, criminal courts, but in courts analagous to our Family Court. Hence the ability of the Swedish authorities to claim that there have been no prosecutions under the 1979 law.

    Children are taken away under the auspices of an administrative court which, in the public interest, of course, keeps the figures safely out of reach of most people.

    To convey an idea of the extent to which the Swedish state has usurped the family, it is necessary to set out the context. Sweden has a population of eight million. It is extremely homogenous as to race, has virtually no poverty, wall-to-wall welfare and no large cities. The capital city has a population of less than two million and the second city has one hundred and fifty thousand people.

    There should be very few cases where children need to be taken from their parents. Yet, in 1981 the authorities seized 22,000 children. This represents an annual seizure rate 86 times greater than that of West Germany. An equivalent annual figure for America would be more than 687, 000 children.

    No doubt the authorities had such a field day because of the number of children who’d been smacked by their parents before the 1979 Act came in. The figure fell somewhat in later years but, in 1995, 14,700 children were still being removed from their homes.

    That’s a seizure rate 57 times that of Germany. In American terms, nearly 500, 000 children would have been taken away from their parents and into state care.

    Recent media reports make it clear we are only starting to see the downstream effect of Bradford’s pernicious legislation.

  37. dave 38

    Tane and Psycho. Baldock did not do the petitions. Someone else did the other one – and guess what – both have nothing to do with Unity for liberty. Dont you read you emails Tane?

  38. Tane 39

    Dave, forgive me if I don’t keep up to date with the sectarian politics of the religious nutjob community. Whichever particular lobby group was technically behind the petition is irrelevant – they’re all campaigning and no doubt drumming up signatures too.

    The criticism is of all the assorted religious right groups that are campaigning to reinstate the riding crop lady’s right to beat her children. I don’t particularly care which label they happen to organise themselves under.

  39. Michele Cabiling 40

    I suggest that the reason the CIR threshhold is 300,000 signatures is to preclude the possibility of any “nutjob community” to hijack the public process.

    Irrespective of who is behind the petition, should it crack the threshhold, it will be because the organisers have tapped into what Parliament long ago a valid public sentiment.

    As for the oft-cited by leftards “riding crop” incident (it’s refreshing at least to see you calling it what it is, rather than a “horsewhip” as leftards typically do) it might prove instructive to read the open letter to the PM by the woman concerned:

  40. Brownie 41

    Easy there, Tane fella!

    You are really coming down hard on Christians at the moment. I myself am not a fan (especially when it is inyourfaceyouarealldamnedtohelletc) but they have a right to an opinion and a voice as well – even if we don’t like what that voice says.

    In saying that, looks like the spirit of Jerry Falwell is alive and kicking in Aotearoa.

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  41. Simeon 42


    Have you forgotten about democracy??

    Family first among other groups want a referendum on the “anti-smacking’ law. Do you not get it. They actually believe in democracy unlike you.

    I guess you don’t even know what referendum means??

  42. dave 43

    Tane if you don’t want to keep up to date with the sectarian politics of the religious nutjob community, dont go on their mailing lists, then..
    Simple,really. To everyone but you it appears

  43. Michele Cabiling 44

    I also suggest you read the lengthy post on this link, in which the “riding crop woman” speaks for herself:

    What you will see here is not a “child abuser” or a “religious nutter,” but an intelligent, articulate woman with a managerial job with a genuine love for her children.

    Put up or shut up …

    The actual CHILD ABUSE here has been perpetrated by CYFS social workers with an exaggerated idea of their own importance and of the role of gummint.

    Anti-family socialists, in other words.

  44. fraser 45

    “What you will see here is not a “child abuser’ or a “religious nutter,’ but an intelligent, articulate woman with a managerial job with a genuine love for her children.”…

    You are talking about the same woman who has now accumulated charges related to all 3 of her children right?

    charges which include hogtie-ing one of her kids and letting the step dad assault him in the street (as reported by the media).

  45. Michele Cabiling 46

    “Accumulated charges” as in CYPF social[ist] workers are operating a vendetta against her for refusing to knuckle under.


  46. Tane 47

    You are really coming down hard on Christians at the moment.

    Hey Brownie, na I’ve got no beef with Christians in general, just the right-wing nutters of the Family First/Destiny Church variety.

    Have you forgotten about democracy?? … I guess you don’t even know what referendum means??

    Simeon, of course I believe in democracy but I’m not sure a referendum based on media hysteria is the right way to go about it. I’m more of a fan of the citizens’ assembly model myself – get a whole bunch of ordinary people representative of society’s makeup, give them the facts in a neutral manner and let them come to their own recommendations.

    I’m also uncomfortable with the idea of a majority voting on what rights a minority should have, especially if this minority is disenfranchised. Though I’m not sure what the answer is in this situation.

  47. merl 48

    Michelle, here’s a bit of a response to you:

    “As noted above, the fashionable crusade of “children’s rights’ is self-consciously anti-family. ” – I don’t agree

    “The gummint is declared to be more interested in the welfare of children than are their parents.” – False

    “It seeks rights and laws for children that neither they, nor their parents, want. ” – This is true for some people and false for others. As a sweeping generalisation it is false.

    “It promises children legal sanctions against their parents.” – Yes. Of course, there are already lots of legal sanctions for children against parents. Parents have to feed their children, have to clothe them, can’t put them to work rather than send them to school etc etc. ‘Legal sanctions’ aren’t inherently good or bad, it’s the nature of what the law is that determines whether it is good or bad.

    “In so doing, it pits children into dialectical conflict with their parents.” – False.

    “The inescapable implication is that children are not in safe hands with their own parents and that Nanny State has to intervene in order to protect them.” – Well in some cases, this is true. Remember the kahui twins? If there was no speeding limit and the government was proposing introducing one, would you be railing at them for their direct criticism of the driving skills of everybody in NZ? The Speeding Limit only *really* impacts on the speeders (even though everone watches their speed). Sue Bradfords bill only really affects people who assault their children.

    “The assumption that parents are at best inadequate, and at worst, hostile, to the needs of their children is straight-out anti-family propaganda.” – What crap. You seem to think that every family in the country is going to fall foul of this law. I don’t think that will be the case.

    I’d do the rest, but your posts are too long. I read the ‘riding crop incident’, and I certainly agree that CYFS can rip a family apart. That seems to be the real problem to me in that case, nothing to do with the law being debated.

  48. dave 49

    Though I’m not sure what the answer is in this situation.
    Gee, you`re Labour through and through. Did you get that direction fron the 9th Floor?

  49. Matthew Pilott 50

    Michele, I also find it interesting that someone who has now had charges for crimes against all three of her children is the paragon of civility, and is being perecuted by a government department for having the temerity to stand up against the Evil Family-Hating Forces of Oppression.

    So there’s no chance that the charges are true? None at all? It’s all the Big Bad Govt. Right.

    One more thought, you have banged upon about how women shouldn’t breed if they can’t look after the kids. One woman, five kids, and there’s trouble.

    God you’re a hypocrite.

  50. Tane 51

    Gee, you`re Labour through and through. Did you get that direction fron the 9th Floor?

    Yes Dave, they even tell me to vote Green.

    And – here’s some gossip – just yesterday Heather Simpson rang Irish Bill and told him to pan Helen’s speech. It’s all super-complicated reverse psychology stuff that I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

    Seriously though, get a life.

  51. lawyer dude 52

    I am representing Family First in all future litigation against the state.

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  52. Billy 53


    I have a Swedish duvet.

  53. lawyer dude 54

    Thank you Billy for the kind offer, however I prefer Swedish blonde’s myself.

    [lprent – junk warning – this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]

  54. dave 55

    Yes Dave, they even tell me to vote Green.
    You`d probably vote blue if they told you to, as well… yes sir, Heather, three bags full Heather, anything you say Heather.

    captcha Dearly H ( heh)(

  55. Tane 56

    Dave bro, I see you’re having trouble with that whole humour thing.

    Perhaps that explains the racist ‘Maori’ version of Facebook you’ve posted up on your site as ‘humour’.

  56. dave 57

    Tane, I`m not your “bro”, bro.

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    Patrick Gower is good value when he's high. Not that I've ever, you know, got stoned with him. But in the second part of his documentary Patrick Gower on Weed, he does what you'd expect in a modern weed documentary and immerses himself – first with a doctor, then a ...
    3 days ago
  • Candidate Survey: Western Bay of Plenty – Local Body Elections 2019
    We surveyed candidates on their attitudes to issues facing the Western Bay Region, find out what they think: “Closing the Gap” Tauranga, one of the area groups of Income Equality Aotearoa NZ Inc., has surveyed all candidates in the three local body elections to discover attitudes to some basic issues ...
    Closing the GapBy Tracey Sharp
    3 days ago
  • Project Nettie calls on scientists to defend biology
    Please spread widely, and sign, to support science and rationalism over the new irrationalism sweeping universities and institutions.  PROJECT NETTIE Sexual reproduction, the generation of offspring by fusion of genetic material from two different individuals, evolved over 1 billion years ago. It is the reproductive strategy of all higher animals ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • I’m glad I don’t live in Auckland
    Just when I was thinking that Palmerston North's mayoral race (which includes a convicted child molester / public wanker and a convicted child beater) was the worst in the country, Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere opened his mouth:Auckland mayoral candidate John Tamihere is being slammed for using the words "sieg ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Index of Power Update, 2018-19: China #2
    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    4 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Contempt
    Back in June, the UK Court of Appeal ruled that that country's continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia were unlawful. So you'd expect that the UK government stopped approving them, right?Of course not:The government has apologised for breaching a court ruling against the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
    Yesterday NZDF officials were put on the stand about the lies they had told over Operation Burnham, making implausible claims that it was all a big mistake. But along the way, we learned they had already been put on the spot about it by a previous Defence Minister, who had ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    5 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy
    5 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    5 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
    The text below is a Twitter thread by Heather Heying that explains the essence of sexual reproduction and it long evolutionary history. She is an evolutionary biologist and a “professor-in-exile” after she and her husband, Bret Weinstein, stood up to supporters of an enforced “Day of Absence” for white staff and teachers ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    5 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    5 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
    Make It 16, the youth-led campaign to lower New Zealand's voting age, is holding an official campaign launch at Parliament this Friday from 16:30. If you'd like to attend, you can register using EventBrite here. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
    by Don Franks It was a lovely sunny Wellington afternoon with blue skies above  the beaches.  In Courtenay Place, political activists packed out a stuffy upstairs room for an important meeting. The assembled pacifists, anarchists, communists and independent young radicals of Peace Action Wellington felt the need for a mission ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
    Current and former NZDF top brass are being publicly grilled this week by the hit and run inquiry over their public responses to allegations of civilian casualties. Previously, they've claimed there were no casualties, a position which led them to lie to Ministers and to the public. Now, they're saying ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    5 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
    by Rafael D. Quiles (gender-critical gay man from Puerto Rico) The writing on the wall is right in people’s faces and people just don’t see it or don’t want to. What could actually possess a heterosexual male to want to feminize himself and claim that he is a lesbian? Because ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
    From the Wall Street Journal:Inside a room of the ornately decorated Hotel du Palais during last month’s Group of Seven summit in Biarritz, France, President Trump awaited a meeting with Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi. Mr. Trump looked over a gathering of American and Egyptian officials and called out in ...
    6 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
    by the Redline blog collective At Redline we are very saddened to hear of the death of Magdalen Burns who passed away on the morning of Friday, September 13 (British time). Magdalen was a great fighter for the rights of women in general and lesbian women in particular, a defender ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
    The Brexit issue has certainly brought with it a series of apparently difficult constitutional issues, many of them concerning the respective roles of the executive and parliament. Most of them arise because of the unwillingness of MPs, despite their professions to the contrary, to be bound by a constitutional rarity ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
    . . This blogpost is different to my usual format of reporting on issues… Since July 1011, I have blogged on a variety of political issues; near always political and/or environmental; mostly highly critical of the previous National Government. Other issues included Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and repression of ...
    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    1 week ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
    The government has released its Arms Legislation Bill, containing the second tranche of changes to gun laws following the March 15 massacre. And it all looks quite sensible: a national gun register, higher penalties for illegal possession and dealing, tighter restrictions on arms dealers and shooting clubs, and a shorter ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
    When National was in power, they were very keen on Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) - basicly, using private companies to finance public infrastructure as a way of hiding debt from the public. They were keen on using them for everything - roads, schools, hospitals. But as the UK shows, that "service" ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
    The media is reporting that the (alleged) Labour party sexual assaulter has resigned from their job at Parliament, which means hopefully he won't be turning up there making people feel unsafe in future. Good. But as with everything about this scandal, it just raises other questions. Most significantly: why the ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
    By Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern I am every bit as angry as you are. I am every bit as disappointed as you must be. The people with power, oversight and the ability to do something about these processes within the Labour Party should be ashamed. Whoever those people are, I ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
    Property developers think there is an "oversupply" of houses in Auckland:High turnover rates and falling prices may be a sign that there are too many new houses going in to some parts of Auckland, commentators say. [...] Property developer David Whitburn said there was a "bit of an oversupply" in ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
    World leaders are meeting in New York in two weeks for the 2019 Climate Action Summit, where they are expected to announce new and more ambitious targets to stop the world from burning. But the Australian Prime Minister won't be there, despite being in the USA at the time:Scott Morrison ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
     Two-Faced? Labour insiders' commitment to the neoliberal status quo puts them at odds with their party’s membership; its trade union affiliates; and a majority of Labour voters, but this only serves to strengthen the perception they have of themselves as a special elite. Among the lesser breeds, they’ll talk up a ...
    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    2 weeks ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago

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