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Fill the Hall – Kill the Bill

Written By: - Date published: 7:35 pm, August 9th, 2013 - 51 comments
Categories: accountability, activism, Spying - Tags: , ,

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Note also that Campbell Live/3 News is running a major poll on the Bill.

51 comments on “Fill the Hall – Kill the Bill”

  1. mickysavage 1

    Yep.

    If you value our rights of privacy or even your rights of privacy you need to be here …

    • Skinny 1.1

      Looks like the protest gods value my privacy, they arranged a 2 day meeting for me to travel to Auckland. My helmut fell down from it’s hook, while I was in the garage earlier today. Must be an omen, hmm better pack it in my luggage in case the boys in blue cut up rough lol. Yoiks on second thoughts… I’m a tad old for any of that shit! Words are better- Peace out please Mr Fuzz.

    • Linz 1.2

      http://sixmorelines.blogspot.co.nz/ – A new blog that demonstrates how anyone can attract the attention of the spooks without really trying. Even harmless little old ladies.

      • Colonial Viper 1.2.1

        The state is no longer the servant of the people; the people have become the enemy of the state. Prognosis from here is BAD.

      • weka 1.2.2

        Very good Linz. Hopefully that will get added to the feed list.

  2. karol 2

    Campbell Live/3 News is running a major poll on the Bill. It’s not a txt one. It involves filling out an online form:

    PS: poll closes/ or will be revealed on CL Monday Aug 19

    • Anne 2.1

      Thanks for that karol. Is it possible for that poll to be advertised on TS every day from now until the 19th August?

      • r0b 2.1.1

        I’ll add it to the post.

      • Tamati 2.1.3

        Oh dear, another psuedo-news organisation pushing a so called opinion poll. As much as I oppose the GCSB bill I’m boycotting this poll on the basis of a crime against statistics. This “poll” is just another way for activists express their opinion and will tell us absolutely nothing about how the population as a whole feels.

        • Pascal's bookie 2.1.3.1

          Call it two petitions then (yay and nay), with each competing to get the most sigs. :).

          • Tamati 2.1.3.1.1

            It won’t be reported as such!

            When does anyone every sign a petition in favour of proposed legislation anyway?

        • Rodel 2.1.3.2

          Tamati
          You are so right. These polls are soooo unscientific as to be useless, even harmful, except as publicity for media celebrities who have no professional expertise in anything but journalese.
          A bit like Fontera managers who know nothing about cows.

        • UglyTruth 2.1.3.3

          Political polls can also be used as cover for gathering intelligence information about the attitudes of “persons of interest”.

      • geoff 2.1.4

        Why put any merit in an online poll? Sure the GCSB bill will attract a lot of people who are legitimately against it but it is also going to attract the attention of National’s ‘Research Unit’ who, no doubt, will have a room full of people working day and night filling out the form and skewing the results.

  3. Be good to pack the Auckland Town Hall – be even better to get THOUSANDS of signatures on petitions PLEDGING to campaign against those MPs (National / ACT / Peter Dunne) who support the GCSB Bill?

    Politicians understand ONE thing – VOTES!

    Jax Taylor, myself and one other managed to collect 885 signatures on the following petition to Nikki Kaye in just a few hours:
    ______________________________________________________________________________

    To National Party Member of Parliament for Auckland Central, Nikki Kaye :

    “The will of the people is the basis of the authority of Government.”

    We, the undersigned, call upon YOU, as an MP, to defend the lawful human rights of New Zealanders to privacy, freedom of association and freedom of expression – that is – to oppose arbitrary search and surveillance by the State over citizens.

    If YOU, as an MP, vote for this GCSB Bill, which will allow widespread spying on New Zealanders, we, the undersigned hereby PLEDGE to campaign against your re-election in 2014, and to encourage our families, neighbours and workmates to do the same.
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    (Remember, Nikki Kaye’s majority over Jacinda Adern in Auckland Central is only 717 votes…)

    http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2011/electoratestatus.html

    Electorate Result Winning Candidate 2nd Place Margin
    Auckland Central 100.0% KAYE, Nikki (NAT) ARDERN, Jacinda (LAB) 717
    ______________________________________________________________________________

    YOU can vote here on whether you support the GCSB Bill – yes or no?

    http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/CampbellLive/GCSBVote.aspx#

    Just the thing for all the Libertarians and ACT members/supporters who are opposed to BIG BROTHER State?

    (You might want to have a word to your not so ‘representative’ ACT MP for Epsom, the DEFENDANT John Banks?)

    For more background info on the fight to stop the New Zealand State spying on New Zealanders:

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

    A copy of a petition that can be used /adapted/whatever is available on this website.

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

    ‘Her Warship’ 🙂

    • Skinny 3.1

      Nice Penny great stuff!

    • Tamati 3.2

      If she crosses the floor and votes against the government she’ll have to resign as a minister and will probably be dropped off the list entirely in 2014. (If this Bill was defeated Key would probably call an election anyway).

      If she supports the bill, she may lose her seat but she’ll be back with a high list ranking as either a minister or an opposition frontbencher.

      I know what decision I’d make.

      • amirite 3.2.1

        Of course you would, when integrity is a foreign concept to you.

        • Paul 3.2.1.1

          A politician of conviction or a career politician.
          I agree with you amirite and sadly almost all politiciansm today are career politicians who would not follow your principled stance.

  4. xtasy 4

    Who is organising this, who will be speaking, is our great “mayor” Len Brown going to be there??? Maybe occupy the town hall then, for days or weeks?

    I went to the vocal protest opposite Aotea Square a couple of weeks ago, which was great, I will endeavour to show up, and I hope many others will too.

    • bomber 4.1

      We will announce the full line up of speakers on Monday (tomorrow) and we are live streaming the debate on thedailyblog.co.nz

  5. Jenny 5

    Many months ago a post was put up on this site. Posing the question. What is a site like this for?

    This is what it is for.

    Let us fill the Town Hall. As we filled the Mt Albert hall.

    Let us have the same speakers, but this time, instead of having our opposition parties giving speeches and heckling from the floor. They must be up on the stage standing in solidarity with the other speakers.

    Let us hear our opposition party leaders say: We the leaders of the opposition parties of New Zealand pledge to this meeting and the country. That on gaining the necessary seats to form a majority in parliament. We will draft legislation that will make illegal the storage, transmission, and most importantly the mass collection of metadata on New Zealand citizens and residents. Further, That, on gaining the necessary seats in Parliament, we will repeal all such current legislation that exists at that time.

    From then on, we pledge that under New Zealand law, any agency, foreign, or domestic, that is detected collecting, or transmitting any such data will considered to be engaging in a hostile act against our democracy. And on being detected warrants for the arrest for those responsible will be issued. The charge will be; illegally engaging in the act of espionage against “We the people” of New Zealand.

    Further to this: We the opposition parties will demand that the security services release the names of those New Zealanders that they have illegally engaged in espionage against, so that they can seek legal redress for the illegal acts taken against them.

    This we pledge as the loyal opposition leaders of the parliament of New Zealand.

    • Skinny 5.1

      Jenny for Mayor! or PM

      Greens will support that, alas not Labour, well not under Shearer.

      • Sable 5.1.1

        Yes where is Shearer in all this? Seems to have played this down which is a worry.

        Anyway go Aucklanders, go Greens. The rest of us will be hoping you get a good turn out. 🙂

      • Jenny 5.1.2

        Greens will support that, alas not Labour, well not under Shearer.

        Skinny

        If Turei, or Norman, are up on the stage standing in solidarity with the other speakers. And they pledge that they will, on a change of government, be putting up such a bill. Then Shearer will have no choice but to be up there as well.

        If Shearer refuses to show. This will signal that David Shearer stands not with the speakers and the rest of New Zealand but with John Key and Peter Dunne.

        Not even David Shearer could be that stupid.

        Rather than the disgraceful disorganised shambles on display in the Mt Albert hall….

        The Labour and the Green Party leaders should be, right now, meeting together to work out a mutually agreed strategy to announce to the meeting and the country.

        There is no excuse for another botch up.

        If they are leaders which they claim to be, then they need to lead. They need to be up at the front telling us what they intend to do.

        There is no excuse for them to stay away or to sit passively in the back of the hall, posing as members of the public.

        They aspire to leadership? Then they need to start earning their salaries.

        They need to make a stand.

        • Sable 5.1.2.1

          How much do you want to bet on that and even if he does show up whats to guarantee he want flip flop if he gets into office. Labour can not be trusted.

          • Jenny 5.1.2.1.1

            If David Shearer is as machiavellian as you and others have claimed his best strategy is to promise little and do less.

            The clever thing to do is not be drawn in the first place.

            I suppose this would explain David Shearer’s call for a “review”, rather than an inquiry into, or a ban on meta data spying.

            Or refuses to say whether he will reveal the illegal spying on 88 New Zealanders by GCSB.

            If Shearer is as crooked as you make out. This will result in the status quo and metadata spying on all New Zealanders still continuing under a Sharer led Labour administration

            I suppose we will find out at the Auckland Town Hall meeting if David Shearer is notable by his absence.

            Or if he does turn up, sits silent like a basilisk, throughout the entire meeting. Or tries to stay unnoticed by slinking in late, and hiding down the back or the side of the hall.

            Either of these tactics will ensure that Labour Leader endures the contempt from the nation currently reserved for Peter Dunne.

            As I said before. Not even David Shearer could be that stupid.

            It all hinges on what the Greens do. If the Green Party leaders decide to stand in solidarity with the speakers on the stage. Shearer will have no choice but to do the same.

            That I would bet on.

  6. karol 6

    The meeting will be streamed live on The Daily Blog

    Facebook page

  7. Lanthanide 7

    Pretty gay looking town hall you got there, Auckland.

  8. Rosie 8

    Folks is there any word about a second nationwide protest prior to the final reading of the GSCB and TICS bill’s? When is the final reading anyway?

    It feels like we have a lot of good momentum going and need to hold that. What about a protest outside Peter Dunne’s electorate office on one of the days that he’s scheduled to be there?

  9. AmaKiwi 9

    Surprise! In Germany’s election campaign, government spying is the No. 1 issue.

    NSA spying and the degree of cooperation or non-cooperation by successive German governments is more important to German voters than the economy, the Euro debt crisis, etc.

    Surprise, because here the unspoken message is that the spying issue will go away as soon as the GCSB bill is passed. I have not seen any polls that indicate the breadth and depth of feeling about this issue across the electorate. If our electorate is anything like the Germans, the GCSB bill could be seriously damaging for National’s re-election chances.

    • Murray Olsen 9.1

      I’m worried we are not enough like the Germans. Too many of us tend to think it can’t happen here, while Germans know it has happened there and will happen again if they’re not careful. We seem to think that speaking English makes us immune to the extremes of political behaviour. Could this be another good reason to make Te Reo our official language?

      • AmaKiwi 9.1.1

        @ Murray Olsen

        Do conservatives think Labour leaders are so kindhearted they wouldn’t use these spying powers on them?

        Wouldn’t a left government use spying to uncover the right wing foreigners unduly trying to influence our elections and foreign policies, using industrial espionage against NZ companies, creating monopolies, damaging our environment with GM crops, trying to steal our natural resources, evading our taxes, laundering money, etc.?

        A Labour government definitely NEEDS these spying powers to keep tabs on Tories.

    • xtasy 9.2

      AmaKiwi –

      The BND (“Bundesnachrichtendienst” and their subsidiaries) have a bad reputation, also known to not just spy on suspected terrorists, but also on anyone tending to be too much to the “left”, so they have been surveilling and spying on some members of the “The Left Party” there.

      Actually they worked quite closely with the NSA over recent years, which seems to have gone far beyond of what was ever anticipated, after some information sharing was expanded after 9/11.

      The Germans have enough serious and worrisome stuff that happened in their history, and some of it does not lie that far back, as the Stasi of the East German regime was of course still heavily active on keeping check on every citizen until 1989.

      So no wonder they are treating this NSA scandal exposed by Snowdon as very, very serious. Just imagine some modern day “Nazis” getting into power and abusing the capabilities that exist, it is bad enough the powers that be of supposedly so “democratic” convictions go to these lengths of spying on their own people.

      New Zealanders are well advised to take note of these things, but sadly too many are asleep at the wheel 24/7. Perhaps you out there, grab them by the shoulders and shake them out of a slumber.

      • AmaKiwi 9.2.1

        @ xtasy

        Muldoon, Nixon . . . were they Germans?

        • xtasy 9.2.1.1

          Hah, of course, it is not just a “German” issue, as we all know. But history has shown that things went to extremes there, hence a higher sensitivity.

  10. Here you go folks!

    Give the PM and MPs who are currently supporting the GCSB Bill a message they CANNOT ignore 🙂

    http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/?p=234

    Penny Bright

    2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

  11. AmaKiwi 11

    The German polls make it doubly important to get as many people to Monday’s rally as possible.

  12. xtasy 12

    Yes, I hear and read that Global Peace and Justice Auckland are involved, and they may already have the funds needed for Town Hall hire, but I am not sure. In a recent post on their blog an appeal is made:

    http://gpjanz.wordpress.com/

    “URGENT Appeal for donations to pay for Town Hall Hire:

    The GCSB Public meeting in the Town Hall will cost6 close to $7,000 for the venue alone – $4500 +GST for basic hire and $1750 + GST for compulsory security, ushers and sound.

    We collected $3000 on the GCSB March but we urgently need $4,000 which must be paid BEFORE the meeting. Can you help?

    Donations can be direct credited to:

    Global Peace and Justice Auckland

    Account Number 38-9000-0099726-00”

    Perhaps those who can assist should contact them, or make a straight donation. This is what I just learned, so it seems to be important.

    I hope they don’t mind me sharing this here, but as it is public on their blog, it should be. They deserve all support for the great work and efforts they make anyway.

  13. tsmithfield 13

    The irony of it.

    A TV3 Poll about a spying bill. Yet the poll harvests personal identifying information from the participants.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 13.1

      …which is given voluntarily, not taken secretly, and your point is?

    • North 13.2

      And…….tsmithfield ?

      That defeats all concern about the substantive issues does it ?

      No ? So your identification of a marginal irony is meaningless then……..except as the mouthings of one who prefers not to address the substantive issues…….he/she being on a hiding to nothing when it comes to the substantive issues.

      How the right wing loves “democracy” with the lowercase “d”. How they own it !

    • UglyTruth 13.3

      Poll respondents can always ask the caller what the purpose of the survey is. If they refuse to say or don’t give a satisfactory answer then the respondent can simply hang up on them.

  14. bomber 14

    Full line up of the stella cast arranged for the Monday 19th Urgent public meeting at the Town Hall will be announced Monday (tomorrow) and we will be streaming the meeting live, for free on The Daily Blog.

    Facebook page is here https://www.facebook.com/events/612399545449266/

    • xtasy 14.1

      I suppose you meant “line up of the stellar cast”? Anyway I will keep eyes and ears open, and it sounds very interesting what is being planned.

      Thanks to bomber

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