First planes, now trains

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1. out of bed 1

   6 March 2008 at 3:02 pm

   Key said it was Labour that was changing its mind on the airport sale at the last minute.

   “They’re trying to portray National as somehow pro-asset sales,” he said.
   http://stuff.co.nz/4426772a6160.html

   Laugh? I nearly wet myself
2. Brownie 2

   6 March 2008 at 3:15 pm

   Good thing you were out of bed
3. out of bed 3

   6 March 2008 at 3:26 pm

   he he
4. the sprout 4

   6 March 2008 at 3:58 pm

   it’s good to see Labour acting like Labour
5. Steve Pierson 5

   6 March 2008 at 4:01 pm

   I’m so glad I found that kiwi and train photo. You don’t guys know how many google images pages I looked at, and it’s so cute.
6. the sprout 6

   6 March 2008 at 4:22 pm

   steve you old softie
7. out of bed 7

   6 March 2008 at 4:29 pm

   I like trains
8. Tane 8

   6 March 2008 at 4:30 pm

   Steve, and here I was thinking you’d made it yourself with your kickass MS Paint skillz…
9. the sprout 9

   6 March 2008 at 4:32 pm

   me too
10. Steve Pierson 10

    6 March 2008 at 4:33 pm

    If I had drawn the pic using paint. I would have had kiwi driving the train, with Key tied to the tracks crying out ‘Kevin Taylor, foreign asset-strippers, anyone: save me!’
11. monty 11

    6 March 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Can the government afford to buy back this white elephant? where would it get the money from – they have squandered all the opportunities and now have a deficit. Stupid socialist Cullen – but at least the economy is tanking while he is still in government – if we waited a few more months (till after the election) then Labour would have tried to blame National.

    By the way between buying a white elephant and the deficit – will Cullen be able to afford taxcuts as one off his key criteria is no borrowing? Ha – snookered by his own red ball.
12. Steve Pierson 12

    6 March 2008 at 4:35 pm

    If I may be so bold, I take this thread as conclusive evidence that everyone in New Zealand wants the govt to buy back the trains.
13. the sprout 13

    6 March 2008 at 4:35 pm

    nice.
    of course nobody would save him, Bill English would stand guard to make sure of it.
14. the sprout 14

    6 March 2008 at 4:38 pm

    for sure buy them back. it’s a necessity if they’re to work properly with long-term objectives – you can’t plan squat when you’ve got a private investor’s six month event horizon.
15. Steve Pierson 15

    6 March 2008 at 4:39 pm

    dammit, Monty. You spoiled it.

    There’s plenty of money to buy the rolling stock, it’s a currently profitable business, and will be more profitable with proper investment.

    Also, get to know the difference between the operating surplus and the OEGAL surplus. Losses for the Cullen Fund, the ACC Fund, and the EQC Fund due to a bad quarter on the international stockmarkets affect created an operating deficit but has no effect on how much the government can actually spend
16. out of bed 16

    6 March 2008 at 4:41 pm

    Can we buy telecom back now?
17. the sprout 17

    6 March 2008 at 4:48 pm

    let’s buy the Herald
18. DS 18

    6 March 2008 at 4:57 pm

    “Can we buy telecom back now?”

    And the Forestry Corporation. And Contact Energy…
19. the sprout 19

    6 March 2008 at 5:01 pm

    and National. no wait, they’ve already been bought
20. Mike 20

    6 March 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Odious company and also a Labour Party donor.
21. Zed 21

    6 March 2008 at 8:24 pm

    No one wants the trains bought back more than me, but the trouble with this rant is that it is complete bollocks. Toll have actually been working with the government to improve the infrastructure. It was the previous owners who stripped the rail. The government paid a hefty whack to buy back the tracks. The issue now is that the continued cost of upgrading infrastrcuture is more than Toll is prepared to invest. Basically, Toll is saying it doesn;t want to contribute towards the cost of the improvements. That’s not the same as asset stripping.

    The rail should be bought back at a reasonable price to the upgrades can go ahead because there are reasons beyond narrow economic return for why we want to shift more transport to rail. (It’s good for those of us who stay in cars, for example.) But to say Toll have been a disaster is just not true and a good example of the hysterical lies that have undermined arguments against asset sales all along.

    It is also a really bad idea to advocate stealing the company back. The decision to sell was bad, but once it’s made the problems are compounded by nationalising without compensation (or with inadequate compensation.) To give you an idea – what if your pension fund has an investment stake in Toll? Why should your retirement savings be super-taxed because it made a decision to invest in a company that does something socially positive (i.e. operate public transport)?
22. Barnsley Bill 22

    6 March 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Remind me again who was in power when it was sold originally. And perhaps a list of cabinet members who are still in cabinet….
23. Murray 23

    6 March 2008 at 9:53 pm

    It’s alright for you lefties to support this purchase. I seriously doubt it’s your money they are spending because I seriously doubt that any of you cunts pay tax.
24. Murray 24

    6 March 2008 at 10:12 pm

    rOb I am an adult, I use adult words. You should follow my example.
25. Robinsod 25

    6 March 2008 at 10:20 pm

    Murry – you’re not an adult. You’re a whining little rightie child. Why don’t you fuck off with your petulant ignorant bigoted cuntishness. Adult enough for you, you fuckin joke?
26. Aj 26

    6 March 2008 at 10:22 pm

    c
27. the sprout 27

    6 March 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Murray Murray Murray.

    yes i believe National sold the rolling stock to their mates Fay, Richwhite. aren’t they pricks Murray? taking from the poor to give to the rich. very National eh Murray.
28. Robinsod 28

    6 March 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Sprout – do you have an email address I can contact you at?
29. Robinsod 29

    6 March 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Scratch that – email me at mickyporton[at]hotmail.etc
30. the sprout 30

    6 March 2008 at 10:36 pm

    done
31. Chris 31

    6 March 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Could the friggin’ Natinal Party please dip into their pockets – they know the trick of sliding hands into other people’s pockets and either ripping them off or giving them heaps of dosh – but could they dip into the Bretheren’s pockets and chip in to buy back the railway?

    they were the ones who sold the country for a song and pretty penny (cheep cheep) …
32. r0b 32

    6 March 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Remind me again who was in power when it was sold originally. And perhaps a list of cabinet members who are still in cabinet

    No sooner said than done! Sold in 1993 by the National Bolger government, see:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Railways_Corporation

    None of the ministers then in cabinet are there now of course, as we are fortunate enough to have a Labour government. However, many of them are still MPS: Bill English, Nick Smith, Lockwood Smith, Tau Henare and so on. For the full list see:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_National_Government_of_New_Zealand

    So – why exactly did you want to know BB?
33. Robinsod 33

    6 March 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Well no Chris. It was the fourth labour government that sold a lot of our assets. The national party just continued the trend after telling us they would stop it. Interestingly the key people who took part in that asset strip (both labour and national) are now either in the act party or are advisers to the national party.
34. r0b 34

    6 March 2008 at 10:02 pm

    Murray – no need to be such a potty mouth.
35. DS 35

    6 March 2008 at 11:35 pm

    A laundry list of assets sales:

    Labour (1988-1990) sold: New Zealand Steel, Petrocorp, Health Computing Service, DFC, Post Office Bank, Shipping Corporation, Air New Zealand, Landcorp Financial Instruments, Rural Bank, Government Printing Office, National Film Unit, Communicate NZ, State Insurance Office, Tourist Hotel Corporation, New Zealand Liquid Fuel Investment Ltd, Maui Gas, Synfuel Stocks and Assets, Forestry Cutting Rights, and (the mother of them all) Telecom.

    National (1990-1999) sold: NZ Timberlands, Export Guarantee Office, Government Supply Brokerage Corporation, Housing Corporation Mortgages, Taranaki Petroleum Mining Licences, Bank of New Zealand, New Zealand Rail, Wrightsons Rights, Fletcher Challenge Shares, GCS Ltd, the regional airports of Hamilton, Oamaru, Te Kuiti, Timaru, Masterton, Tauranga, Hokitika, Rotorua, and Palmerston North, the international airports of Auckland and Wellington, Maori Development Corporation, Radio Company Ltd, Forestry Corporation of New Zealand, Works and Development Services Ltd, Capital Properties NZ Ltd, Contact Energy, and VTNZ.
36. Steve Pierson 36

    7 March 2008 at 12:29 am

    DS. Thanks for the list
37. Rexel 37

    7 March 2008 at 4:07 am

    The Nats will strip us of every asset we have. I believe they will even sell our parks as they have no economic need for their under their far right leadership.

    If National wins this election it may be the last one ever as our countryy will be foreign owned by 2011 and we will have lost all control.

    Electing them is that dangerous

    Only a sustained period of repurchasing New Zealand assetts and nationalising key industries will win votes
38. higherstandard 38

    7 March 2008 at 7:59 am

    Rexel

    I think you need to have a lie down – fundamentally little will change with a change of government – both National and Labour are far closer than either like to admit.

    I’ll take is as raed that the rest of your post is just taking the piss.
39. the sprout 39

    7 March 2008 at 9:33 am

    “fundamentally little will change with a change of government – both National and Labour”

    hs – makes me wonder then why anyone would want to trade competent leadership for an inexperienced amateur who isn’t even sure what party he leads.
40. higherstandard 40

    7 March 2008 at 9:38 am

    Sprout

    In terms of the leadership purely because the public are tired of Helen and seem to be more comfortable with John.

    In terms of a change of government I think we both know where this election will be won and lost and it won’t be in areas that will be change markedly before or after the election.
41. higherstandard 41

    7 March 2008 at 9:39 am

    I forgot to ask

    I’m hoping Rexel was taking the piss if not his/her views are somewhat of a concern – hope we are in agreement on that at least
42. libertyscott 42

    8 March 2008 at 12:33 am

    This post is outright nonsense “Toll has been a classic asset-stripper: buy a key piece of infrastructure that should never have been sold, take as much profit as possible with minimal investment, and force the Government to buy the infrastructure back to prevent further economic damage.”

    When in fact Dr Cullen and Toll did a joint deal at the time to buy Tranz Rail and hand over the track to the government for $1.

    The press release is here http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/govt-toll reach accommodation tranz rail

    The government and Toll worked together to make an offer, Toll has never owned the track.

    What lines have been closed? Go on, list them – and I think you’ll find Castlecliff is it (which hasn’t had freight trains on it regularly for years anyway as it is little more than a large suburban siding).

    Also the claim that more road freight increases costs, without noting that it is covered by road user charges (for the state highways anyway), is being a bit wilfully blind.

    I’m no friend of Toll, but this post is based on complete nonsense.

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