Five ways Donald Trump is wrong about Islam

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1. dv 1

   7 March 2017 at 8:29 am

   Gun laws in the USA are far more dangerous to the americans.
2. Gabby 2

   7 March 2017 at 8:53 am

   What kills more people in a Paris magazine office – terrorists or playing rugby?
   • dukeofurl 2.1

     7 March 2017 at 9:06 am

     What kills more in USA, terrorists or children under 5 playing with guns ?

     Or consider only mass shootings
     “1,000 mass shootings in 1,260 days: this is what America’s gun crisis looks like”
     http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence

     Goes to show which is the real danger
   • Macro 2.2

     7 March 2017 at 11:05 am

     This is news to me! When did France become the USA’s 51st State? Do the French people know?
     By the way – if you constantly abuse and insult people – you are very likely to assaulted by those people in return – where ever you may live.
3. esoteric pineapples 3

   7 March 2017 at 8:59 am

   Interesting fact I found out yesterday – 93 percent of Muslim women in Malaysia experience genital mutilation – https://www.vice.com/en_se/article/female-circumcision-is-becoming-more-popular-in-malaysia
   • Ad 3.1

     7 March 2017 at 9:02 am

     Would you mind sticking to the post please.
     This is not a post designed for an anti-Muslim rant of any kind.
     • Richard Christie 3.1.1

       7 March 2017 at 9:30 am

       Nothing criticising Islam will be accepted, no matter how fact based.
       • Ad 3.1.1.1

         7 March 2017 at 10:25 am

         You want to do a critique of Islam as a whole, take it to Open Mike.
       • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.1.2

         7 March 2017 at 10:56 am

         These “facts” suggest that refugees have genuine reasons to seek asylum, and countries have genuine reasons for accepting them.

         Whereas racists and torture-apologists want to legalise barbarism for “enhanced interrogation”, and look the other way.
       • Cemetery Jones 3.1.1.3

         8 March 2017 at 11:14 am

         I was going to say, characterising facts on FGM as an ‘anti-Muslim rant’ seems a little off…
4. Anne 4

   7 March 2017 at 9:47 am

   The 14 characteristics of fascism

   No. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
5. Poission 5

   7 March 2017 at 10:45 am

   the likelihood a US citizen will be killed by a terrorist is less than 1 in 3 million per year. The lifetime risk is about 1 in 45,000.

   That’s better odds than being killed by lightning, falling out of bed, or choking on food. It’s a real threat, it’s just pretty unlikely.

   And an irrelevant fallacy.

   Thin tails and fat tails have very different outcomes and are not comparative in probability theory.

   https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4nEWZQVYAAAirK.jpg:large
6. Draco T Bastard 6

   7 March 2017 at 11:06 am

   There are 47 Muslim-majority countries in the world, with a combined GDP of about US$5 trillion. The US has a GDP of $17 trillion by itself. The EU about the same. No match for any fictitious pan-Muslim coalition.

   And there you go with the delusional economics again.

   If those 1.6 billion people actually got control of the resources in those countries and prevented the US and EU getting their hands on them then it’s entirely possible that they could militarily defeat the US and the EU. After all, what’s the US/EU going to do without fuel for starters?

   And those people really aren’t any less capable than the US/EU citizens.

   I don’t think that it’s probable but its certainly possible because of the very real physical resources available to them exceed that of the US/EU combined.
   • Ad 6.1

     7 March 2017 at 11:18 am

     The closest you get to that kind of redistribution of resources is when states really break down and warring factions essentially take over. You can see that in Somalia and South Sudan; there isn’t much to redistribute, but what there is get hoovered up by warring factions and redistributed their own way to their own people. Complete crisis as any semblance of law and order breaks down.

     That’s one of the important points in favour of any highly discriminatory immigration policy, including our own: people coming out of failed states, such as the ones that President Trump has listed in his policy, get very high scrutiny.
     • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1

       7 March 2017 at 12:18 pm

       The closest you get to that kind of redistribution of resources is when states really break down and warring factions essentially take over.

       In this case we’d need to see the exact opposite. Those 1.6 billion becoming a single nation with control of all the land and resources that they occupy. With that they’d be able to direct the resources to whatever ends they chose including war and stopping the flow to ‘enemies’.

       It’s that possibility that keeps the US and EU seeing Muslims as a threat because if that happened then both the US and EU economics would grind to a halt. It’s why, IMO, the US keeps interfering in the ME and keeping the peoples there at each others throat while supporting their corporations looting of those nations resources.
7. Psycho Milt 7

   7 March 2017 at 11:59 am

   As usual, Trump’s an arse. Islam should be opposed because it’s a fundamentally illiberal ideology, but the last time it was a military threat to western countries was more than 300 years ago. A military response to a non-military threat is just stupid.
8. adam 8

   7 March 2017 at 4:02 pm

   4. “Creeping sharia” is a fairy tale.

   Had an argument about this over the weekend. What I think is happening, is that the USA is actually acting similar to Byzantium in it’s relation to Islam. In that, it likes some parts of Islam, and dislikes others, so is confused on a theological level. It also see’s that Islam is having it’s own kind of reformation at the moment, and has no idea how to deal with it.

   I think the Sharia sect will fall over when women have had enough of it.

   3.Power.

   Then why have we and the Aussies, played so nice with Indonesia for so long? Why do we ignore what is happening in West Papa? Why did East Timor rot for so long?

   Also I think you maybe missed soft power. Which the USA wins at as well. But worth a mention.
9. HDCAFriendlyTroll 9

   7 March 2017 at 6:52 pm

   ISIS.
10. Ian 10

    8 March 2017 at 9:48 pm

    I grew up in a very tough environment, Why would any kiwi want sharia or to throw the homo guy off the top of the building. ??
11. silvertuatara 11

    10 March 2017 at 2:17 pm

    The status quo at the moment remains the “bread and butter profits” for the manufacturers, suppliers and users of armaments and weaponry that gets consumed in these geopolitical conflict’s.

    The ongoing profits to these organisations, and entities relies heavily upon the manufacturing of perception of a constant and growing threat, be it weapons of mass destruction, attributing the demises of the twin towers to a regime in a questionable manner, “Rising Tensions” between countries….the list would be long. If ISIL are ever destabilised then the scopes will turn on other areas of conflict which will no doubt escalate.

    The destabilisation of nations with rich asset bases has provided large corporations and conflicted interests the opportunity to exploit the asset bases, if that was not the sole strategic goal of the destabilisation in the first place. So in reality war has become a corporatised business, backed up by the spying and intelligance communities.

    Joe Public is subjected to through, the MSM, information to fuel these perceptions on a regular basis, and nothing works better that the creation of an “us and them” “all or nothing” perception of a conflict. Sadly as refugues, or past immigrants who are or may be of an Islamic faith are displaced from their home nations to welcoming countries it is sad to think that in an attempt to escape from war ravaged zones, or having immigrated to start a new life, that in certain countries these people and families
    may be further subjected to prejudicial, racial and human rights compromising treatments, by islamaphobic policy makers and anyone who blindly buys into the concept that because certain fractions within a culture/faith are involved in conflict that all other persons of that culture and faith hold similar views and will act in similar ways. The resistance to Trumps immigration ban is heartening to see.

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