Forest and Bird takes it the Government in the Supreme Court

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1. saveNZ 1

   24 February 2017 at 9:05 am

   What this government is doing to the environment is shocking! And in many cases irreversible. Good luck Forest and Bird.
   • michelle 1.1

     24 February 2017 at 11:27 am

     not just the environment save NZ what they are doing to the people is shocking
     • saveNZ 1.1.1

       24 February 2017 at 12:26 pm

       That too!
     • Leftie 1.1.2

       24 February 2017 at 6:03 pm

       Agreed. Good on Forest and Bird!!
2. Jenny Kirk 2

   24 February 2017 at 9:23 am

   I wonder when the people with the landlines will wake up to what this Govt is really doing to our beautiful land (and waters) and decide enough is enough, and that No, they don’t like it and say so in the polls.
   • BM 2.1

     24 February 2017 at 11:15 am

     Is Labour going to stop Ruataniwha dam?
     • Ad 2.1.1

       24 February 2017 at 11:32 am

       Labour would follow the law to start with.

       The last time a Labour Minister got rolled this hard in court over an environment matter was nearly 16 years ago with Minister Chris Carter about the Whangamata marina, which since it was just a good old High Court judicial review rather than an Appeal Court followed by Supreme Court, pretty much pales in comparison to this one.
     • marty mars 2.1.2

       24 February 2017 at 12:08 pm

       maybe ManaMāori will if labour don’t – opps – they might be too busy spitting on the people though eh jenny
       • michelle 2.1.2.1

         24 February 2017 at 1:25 pm

         mana spits on us & the gnats shit on us whose really done the most collateral damage to us and our country marty mars
         • marty mars 2.1.2.1.1

           24 February 2017 at 1:40 pm

           yep no argument from me – both the gnats and labour have got us into this position where we can hardly get into the water or drink it.
         • Leftie 2.1.2.1.2

           24 February 2017 at 6:06 pm

           +1000 Michelle!
   • Leftie 2.2

     24 February 2017 at 6:07 pm

     I’m wondering that too Jenny.
3. marty mars 3

   24 February 2017 at 12:10 pm

   Forest and Bird are fantastic – big ups to them
4. Ian 4

   24 February 2017 at 7:57 pm

   I sincerely hope that the government is successful in its appeal
   It will be a victory for common sense.
   • lprent 4.1

     24 February 2017 at 8:02 pm

     It would be a victory for land grabbers. The problem is that once you start grabbing conservation land and ‘replacing’ it, How long will it before it gets to ‘I will grab this beach front reserve land and replace it with this great conservation land with a decayed erosion prone old sheep farm.’.

     I have no idea what the land is in this case, however that is the principle that is being fought against.

     Now I am sure you are going to say that ‘common sense’ would prevent that? But why would it? Common sense has no legal standing.
     • Ian 4.1.1

       24 February 2017 at 8:27 pm

       Land swaps happen all the time. I signed one off with a government agency a month ago to improve the flow of state Highway one.
       This is political Mischeif making by a radical group of extreme left.
       • One Anonymous Bloke 4.1.1.1

         24 February 2017 at 8:32 pm

         Forest and Bird may seem like radicals to a man who gets duped by lies about guano and water quality.

         How many land swaps have occurred involving the conservation estate? Not everyone is as gullible as you. Diddums.
       • lprent 4.1.1.2

         24 February 2017 at 8:34 pm

         On conservation land? Or on land owned by the public?

         Nope what you signed was an agreement between a private owner and a state organisation. Two parties who are able to defend themselves.

         In this case we have some people who have temporary control of assets owned by the public in trust for future generations trying to grab it for the benefit of a small group of private owners (including the council actors). What hasn’t been noticeable is that these temporary trustees protecting the interests of the those they are holding it in trust for. So Forest and Bird is doing their work for them.

         BTW: Your argument is legally illiterate, irrelevant to the facts, and full of complete bullshit. Evidently made by a radical idiot trying to look like a fool. Just my opinion – you understand… 😈
       • Ad 4.1.1.3

         24 February 2017 at 8:58 pm

         They do happen all the time at NZTA. No-one had to defend the interests of motorways, because they have a multi-billion dollar defence team.

         Behind them of course is the whole of Crown Law, alk the QC’s they could want, and Cabinet itself.

         The trees just get the NGO.

         But then, your on the side of the motorway, always, because clearly that’s your job.

         The law exists to level this imbalance of power, namely, to hold people like you to account.
5. Ian 5

   24 February 2017 at 8:57 pm

   Whatever.I suppose I can not understand why the left is so anti water storage and irrigation.
   But that’s OK because you’re never going to get anywhere near forming a government.
   • Ad 5.1

     24 February 2017 at 9:00 pm

     You’re never going to understand the purpose of law in civil society.
   • joe90 5.2

     24 February 2017 at 9:02 pm

     anti water storage and irrigation.

     Because bludgers expect other people to pay for it.

     And shit. People don’t like shit.
   • One Anonymous Bloke 5.3

     24 February 2017 at 10:30 pm

     Is lying about motive the best you can do? It is, eh. You actually don’t understand the argument against degrading the conservation estate.

     Right now, the opposition parties are polling higher than National. Sleep well, dear.
   • lprent 5.4

     25 February 2017 at 6:15 am

     Don’t know about “the left” when it comes to water. But I tend to look at it as some one who spent a number of years working on farms and then did an earth sciences degree – water being a large part of the curriculum for both.

     Fresh water is a gift of the environment. Despite what it seems when it is pouring down, it is in short supply, a relatively easy resource to abuse, and is absolutely crucial for sustaining the ecosystems that our economy and culture is founded on. It is held in common, and not owned.

     Taking care of it and its watersheds should be primary in the minds of those industries that thrive on it. Yet clearly it isn’t. Just look at the dairy industry.

     So far with the Ruataniwha Dam, I can’t see the overarching economic need for it that requires it to grab watershed conservation land. Instead I can see it benefiting just a small number of farmers in a area where the waterways and ground water have already suffered major degradation.

     So far I haven’t seen any attempts to give that evidence to the public who hold it in common. Instead the political fools promoting it have relied on the kind of mindless denigration that you just did. Needless to say that doesn’t inspire confidence that morons of that kind understand the issues if they can’t even be bothered to deal with them.
6. Drowsy M. Kram 6

   24 February 2017 at 9:40 pm

   In the time remaining our Government is intent on ramping up its programme of environmental degradation. Good luck Forest and Bird.

   Damn the Dam

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