Gap closes in latest Fairfax

Written By: - Date published: 9:01 am, September 28th, 2011 - 54 comments
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Despite the incessant media drumbeat about incipient doom and gloom, Labour’s loyal support base refuses to lie down and die. The latest Fairfax poll has the gap with National closing a bit. Labour is up from 25.7 last month to 28.1, the Nats are down by nearly 3 points to 54.3.

Checking the media narrative is just about the only bright spot in this result of course, that’s still a huge and depressing gap. Watkins and Small sum up:

But as [National’s] support parties look increasingly sick and dark clouds gather over the economies of Europe and the United States, National is banking on a mood for stability overcoming history and potentially even giving it the numbers to govern alone.

Perish the thought! A week is a long time in politics.

54 comments on “Gap closes in latest Fairfax”

  1. One Anonymous Bloke 1

    http://horizonpoll.co.nz/page/154/horizonpoll 25th September 2011

    “This provides the current National led coalition with 46.2%, a potential Labour-Green-New Zealand First coalition with 45%.”

  2. Jim Nald 2

    “National banking on a mood for stability …”

    Huh??? “Stability”?? What stability?
    Most of the lives of people I know have been rocked directly by the government of the past 2.5 years or indirectly as a result of their incompetence at responding to natural or external issues.

    This is the lot in power that has been squandering the resilience we had since they got in. Tax cuts – $50 – northward of $50 – pfftt – and they said that as they were nudging and winking at their mates and not at us. And they borrowed to put us in more debt.

    Challenge the stupid donkey’s claim to stability. Stability of what really? Stability for who?

    • queenstfarmer 2.1

      Huh??? “Stability”?? What stability?

      Stability of a returning incumbent government, led by NZ’s most popular PM ever.

      Versus what would undoubtedly be the “coalition from hell” of Labour + Greens + NZ First + possibly Hone and / or Maori MPs.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 2.1.1

        That’s not stability it’s continuity. Continuity of incompetence.

        • Bored 2.1.1.1

          Its actually a poisoned chalice…financial wreckage coming up worldwide on the back of the Euro crisis which is going to lead to massive defaults and bankruptcies across the whole financial sector.

          Those nice NZers who wish for stability and continuity, (read certainty) stand to lose the major chunk of their “property” (shares / bank deposits). Those who live the “aspirational” dream with the huge mortgage to cover house and brand new 4WD with mag wheels can look forward to repo men coming round.

      • Bored 2.1.2

        Be honest QSF, what you are really talking about is swapping one set of right inclined kleptocratic incompetent fools with a left inclined set kleptocratic incompetent fools. Its all just down to who will gift who’s dosh to their side whilst doing f.a.(or even being cognoscent) about the real state of the world. Also seems to me you actually believe it will make an iota of difference.

        • queenstfarmer 2.1.2.1

          Well actually I was talking about not swapping the current lot, but only to address the point of stability.

          Jim asked “what stability?”, so I made the objective (and obviously correct) observation that the current Govt returned would be more stable than a multi-party coalition, particularly involving Winston Peters (who has managed to fall out with every Govt he’s been involved with).

          • mikesh 2.1.2.1.1

            The only government Winston fell out with was Jenny Shipley’s; and that was over the issue of asset sales, his opposition to which has been pretty consistent over the years.This is unlikely to be a source of instability in any future government.

        • higherstandard 2.1.2.2

          I agree completely – but you must admit it is hilarious watching everyone defend their team whilst vilifying the other team when they are just different sides of the same coin.

      • Irascible 2.1.3

        Arguing that a finger puppet known only for smiling, waving, scuttling and running off to his official residence in Hawaii is “stability” is akin to arguing that Brash & Banks are intellectual giants.
        Stability requires policies and planning for the future of the country of which NZ has seen neither from the NACT government.

      • swordfish 2.1.4

        “…..a returning incumbent government, led by NZ’s most popular PM ever.”

        Which is, of course, Complete and Utter Bollocks !

        You, Big Bruv and various other assorted Nacts just keep on pushing this bullshit. How many times do we have to explain ? Key is no more popular than Clark was.
        Either you know you’re talking bollocks or, tragically, you’ve allowed The Herald to hopelessly confuse you. About a year ago, The Herald Digi Poll took the unprecedented step of presenting its ‘Preferred PM’ stats solely on the basis of DECIDED respondents. Hence, Key’s support suddenly shot up overnight from early 50s to 70%.

        All other major polls continue to include the (considerable number of) UNDECIDEDs/DONT KNOWS/NONE OF THE ABOVES. And, in these, Key remains in the 50s.

        Simple, really.

        But, you probably still don’t get it.

        • Big bruv 2.1.4.1

          Settle down Swordfish, take a deep breath and calm down.

          Now, you may not like it but the fact is that John Key is indeed the most popular PM this nation has ever had, he is far more popular than Clark ever was.

          Deal with it and move on Swordfish, you would be far better to ask why he is popular than to argue the facts.

            • lprent 2.1.4.1.1.1

              r0b: Don’t confuse the wee bruv with facts.

              You know how that confuses him because he really can’t distinguish between those and the bullshit. He always disappears for a while after being told that his beliefs are bollocks. Presumably he heads back to the font of all bullshit at the sewer until his existential faith is restored that ideas he gets out of his navel fluff are reality.

              I can’t bear to be without his idiocy for so long… (WTF!) Umm something wrong there. Actually I can – lay it on.

              😈

          • swordfish 2.1.4.1.2

            Calm down, Big Bruv. You’re getting hysterical again. I’m gonna have to have a serious talk with your Father if this over-excitement continues, young man ! Do you seriously want to be grounded for the next fortnight, Big Bruv ? No ? Thought not, young man.

            Oh, and on Clark vs Key: see my comment below, sweet-pea.

        • swordfish 2.1.4.2

          Incidently, in this latest Fairfax Poll, Key is down 4 percentage points to 51% – barely half of New Zealanders (you know, as opposed to “NZ’s most popular PM ever !, ever !, ever !, in the whole, entire history of the Universe !!!”).

          Even in her least popular term as PM (2005-2008), Clark was still occassionally receiving more than 51% support as preferred PM.

        • queenstfarmer 2.1.4.3

          If that is the case, then it’s a fair point. I don’t know the detail of the polling methodology that you apparently do.

          Given these apparent vagaries of polling, I will err on the side of caution and say that John Key is one of the most popular PMs in NZ history.

          • swordfish 2.1.4.3.1

            Very reasonable of you, queenstfarmer. In fact, so much so that I entirely take back my hyperventilating tone.

        • Deadly_NZ 2.1.4.4

          And judging by his performance in the house he must be reading and believing said polls…. And you know what happens to people who only read the good stuff and ignore the bad… Crash and Burn time.

  3. millsy 3

    Give it up.

    Labour is heading for its biggest election defeat since the war and there is nothing we can do about it, no matter how hard you spin it. That is the reality.

    For the past 4 years, National have led Labour by at least 15-20 points, and there is nothing that has happened to change it.

    This could very well last for a generation or more.

    • Colonial Viper 3.1

      This could very well last for a generation or more.

      Hmmmm. How long ago was it that English led National to a historic defeat?

      Seems to me it took National less than a decade to go from Zero to Hero.

      Labour needs to remake itself. 6-7% general unemployment and 25% plus youth unemployment and it still can’t connect with the electorate. Ask some hard questions, Labour dudes.

      • Zaphod Beeblebrox 3.1.1

        Labour mainly need to get their demographic (young, wage earners) to 1. enrol 2. turn up on the day and vote. Its voter apathy with the alternative they are prposing that is the problem.

        • higherstandard 3.1.1.1

          Labour don’t need to do anything apart from wait till the electorate gets bored with Key and National and vote national out.

          I would prefer that labour was a strong and competent opposition which makes parliament function more soundly but unfortunately this opposition is cak like the opposition before it just like this government is cak like the government before it.

          • Zaphod Beeblebrox 3.1.1.1.1

            They actually need some younger and more energetic MPs. Look at some of the faces on the backbench during question time- they seem bored and happy just be picking up their pay check.

            The look at some of the Greens MPs. They seem to have a lot more fire in their bellies. Even Kennedy Graham.

        • AAMC 3.1.1.2

          ‘Those who grasp that the crisis is transforming politics will shape its future’

          http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/21/radical-action-drag-economy-brink?cat=commentisfree&type=article

          If the Left can’t dominate the narrative with markets collapsing, uneploymemt and inequality out of control, Neo-Liberal theory disproven beyond doubt, Wall St occupied, unrest throughout Europe, drought and floods compromising food security, etc etc… they don’t deserve our vote.

          There has to be a way to get their message out there, I appreciate the media is complicit, so find other means.

          • Big bruv 3.1.1.2.1

            The media is complicit?

            What world do you live in?, the media is a stinking morass of left wing pinko’s who do nothing more than parrot the left’s agenda.

            Do the names Fa’afoi and Mould mean nothing to you guys?

            • AAMC 3.1.1.2.1.1

              You seriously need you head examined, and should stop watching Fox News.

              Of the media isn’t complicit, why when the Tea party turn up anywhere is it so heavily covered, and yet still nothing on #occupywallstreet?

              Your blind faith is good for a laugh though Big Bruv!

            • Colonial Viper 3.1.1.2.1.2

              What world do you live in?, the media is a stinking morass of left wing pinko’s who do nothing more than parrot the left’s agenda.

              Cripes, first time I heard News World, Fairfax and the likes of Paul Henry, Paul Holmes, Guyon Espiner etc described as a “morass of left wing pinkos”.

              Seriously mate???

              • Big bruv

                Ok Viper

                For every Paul Henry there is a John Campbell.
                For every Leighton Smith there is a Willie Jackson.
                For every Michael Laws there is a Katherine Ryan.

                Paul Holmes is centrist at best, the mark of Espiner is that I have no real idea what his politics are.

                It seems Viper that you want to silence all those who do not agree with your politics, mind you, that is normal for the Labour party.

      • Big bruv 3.1.2

        For once Viper is right.

        I told you guys about this over a year ago, the major problem with Labour and Labour supporters is your stupid and blind adherence to the party line.

        The Chris Carter case and the Philip Field case are two classic examples, as long as the Labour party leader said that Carter and Field had no case to answer you all blindly obeyed the orders of Goff and dear leader. However, as soon as they were gone you let loose your real feelings about these two reprehensible troughers.

        It is time that Labour and its supporters admitted that the people of NZ did not get it wrong in 08, it is time that Labour and it supporters woke up to the fact that the electorate totally rejected Clark and everything she stood for.

        Until you clean out all the useless deadwood (Goff, King, Mallard, Beaumont, Moroney, Horomia, Fenton and co) you will remain in opposition for a very long time.
        Labour also needs to distance itself from the Clark regime, what you need is an almost total re branding, you need to get back to being the party of the working man (the party I should support) the party for and of those who graft each and every day.

        At the moment all Labour stand for is being the party for the bludgers and parasites, the party for union hacks and the gaggles of gays, surely we have come far enough now that ones sexuality should not be an issue, do you really need a “rainbow” faction in the party?, are the Labour gay element so unsure of their own relevance and so insecure that they need special representation?

        Labour needs to reconnect with the working classes, putting up arrogant tossers like Cunliffe, Parker or Jones is not going to connect with a bloke who works 60 hours a week to feed his family.
        These people can smell insecurity at a distance of 100 miles (incidentally, that is the reason they are overwhelmingly supporting John Key, note I said Key not National)
        Cunliffe, Parker, Jones and any other of the potential leaders post the 2011 election will suffer the same fate as Goff because they simply cannot come across as anything other than arrogant academics.

        I am not sure who said it first (it may well have been Trotter) but I agree with the comment that Labour’s next PM is not yet in the house (with the possible exception of Kelvin Davis)

        Of course the other thing that Labour has stuffed up badly on is the continuous and tedious personal attacks on the PM, again, I told you over a year ago that these would not work, you are not up against a politician you are up against a phenomenon, attacking the guy because he has done well or attacking him for the way he went about making his money is not resonating with the electorate, they love the guy, hell I am no fan of his politics but only the most small minded moron cannot help but like the guy.

        But no, in your usual arrogant way you kept on with the failed tactics of the last Clark government, you kept reminding the electorate that you are small minded and vicious people who use their power to silence anybody who dares speak out against the Labour party or its views.

        The way Labour should have gone about beating Key (or at least crawling back to an honourable defeat) was to ignore him, you should have attacked those around the guy, you should have attacked the pillars of support that hold his government up, FFS it is a target rich environment yet you morons kept bashing away at the one solid thing that the Nat’s have going for them.

        Still, it is no skin off my nose, the current Labour party is never going to get my vote, the Nat’s might be no better than Labour lite but I will take them any day of the week over a rehashed Helen Clark government and all the nastiness and petty vindictiveness that implies.

        • Brett 3.1.2.1

          Great post.

        • Vicky32 3.1.2.2

          you are not up against a politician you are up against a phenomenon, attacking the guy because he has done well or attacking him for the way he went about making his money is not resonating with the electorate

          You really ought to try talking to the average person, and you’ll see how popular Key actually is! My son for instance, has changed his view quite considerably in the past year, and now sees Key for the triumph of form over substance that he is. My son represents the views of his colleagues and flatmates, all 20-something professionals..

          • AAMC 3.1.2.2.1

            Yep, I reckon the youth vote will be an interesting one.

            See student protests yesterday, listen to student radio.

            Last election, there was no politics on BFM, they had all only ever known Labour govt, since they were about 8 or 9. Key comes in talking the same slogans as Obama, why not give him a go.

            Now student radio is rife with politics, and not supportive of the right, the babysitters I employ are desperate to get to vote. I don’t know any of them are endorsing Goff, but they want rid of Key. And they’re not part of the polls.

          • Big bruv 3.1.2.2.2

            Vicky

            I am the ‘average person’, my friends are all working class people, each and every one of them refuses to vote for Labour, each and every one of them like John Key.

            However, let’s leave that aside, your post highlights my point precisely, you seem hell bent on attacking Key when that is the wrong way to go about beating the Nat’s.

            I repeat, you are dealing with a politician like no other in our living memory, the closest would be Lange yet even Key outstrips Lange for no other reason than he has a spine.

            Labour will remain irrelevant as long as you continue to ignore the message you were sent by the electorate, they rejected Labour and everything it stands for yet you guys keep insisting that the electorate got it wrong.

            Novembers election will only see that reinforced.

            • Puddleglum 3.1.2.2.2.1

              you are dealing with a politician like no other in our living memory

              Hi BB, just what characteristics or behaviour of Key’s are you thinking of that distinguishes him in this way? A serious question. 

              • Big bruv

                Puddleglum

                “Hi BB, just what characteristics or behaviour of Key’s are you thinking of that distinguishes him in this way? ”

                I suspect your question is not genuine but I will answer it in that spirit anyway.

                I think the answer is fairly simple, the public know that Key is a self made man, they know he comes from humble beginnings and they know that he is (despite the best attempts at some morons here to paint him as such) not a man who eats babies.
                Key comes across as genuine, he does not take himself seriously as his predecessor did, he can have a laugh and poke fun at himself, even my Mrs who hates politics with a passion has said to me that she ‘likes that guy”.

                However, the main reason that Key is so popular is that the public know he is not a career politician, they know that he does not need the job, they know that he is in it for the very best reasons (not that I agree with him on that much) and they know that he actually cares.

                All of the PM’s who went before him came across as desperate when times got tough, Clark became nasty and vicious, Shipley I cannot comment on as I was out of the country during her brief tenure, Bolger was an idiot and the public could see that, Lange held on for the benefits (a lifetime with his nose in the trough is normal for the left) and Muldoon was just as nasty as Clark.

                The reason Key is so popular is because the public know that he is just like them, yes he has made a fortune but he remains a real bloke and one that they hold up as aspirational.

                To beat him you need to change tact, I suspect Key could be PM for as long as he wants such is his popularity and attacking him as the left keeps doing is only going to strengthen his support.

                • logie97

                  One thing you omit about his qualities there BB. You don’t seem to acknowledge that he is a liar…

                  • Big bruv

                    Sigh….

                    Another example of Labour arrogance, another example of a small minded lefty who still thinks that the people of NZ got it wrong.

                    They did not get it wrong, they will prove this to you come November.

                • Thanks for the response, BB. It was a genuine question.

                  In return, I should explain how I’ve come to my understanding of Key.

                  I don’t have a TV and I tend to think quite seriously about political things, because I think I’m obligated to do that out of respect for my fellow citizens.

                  Since I read a lot and listen a lot – but watch very little – that means that I gain my sense of Key from the things I hear him say on radio or read that he has said in a newspaper. I then think about what he says and compare it to what I know (e.g., facts of the matter, past news reports, and the like).

                  I have to say that I’ve noticed inconsistencies, contradictions and what I perceive as an evasive lack of clarity to a degree that suggests to me that he is not genuine. (To that extent, much like any other politician.)

                  In fact, without trying to psychoanalyse him, I’d say he has learnt = probably from an early age – to adopt the persona of ‘ordinariness’ as a way of allowing him to achieve his goals. Interestingly, the same personal history you cite (‘self made man’) strikes me as having required Key to put his ambitions ahead of caring for others.

                  For example, I had a friend who was a currency trader (a rare one as she was one of the few women in the job at the time – early to mid 90s). She was a catholic and felt quite morally torn – she quickly came to realise that, in order to succeed, the expectation was that she had to deceive her clients (by first building up their trust in her) and, also, to compete ‘no holds barred’ with her colleagues. In her words, it was a profession in which “nice guys definitely finish last”.

                  That overall impression means that I don’t find him trustworthy.

                  When you say that “the public know” he is “just like them” that he is “in it for the very best reasons” and “that he actually cares” I’d probably replace the word ‘know’ with ‘perceive’.

                  My perceptions come, I admit, from means of judging someone else that perhaps most other people don’t use. That might explain why I have a different impression of Key than do many other New Zealanders. Obviously, I’m not convinced that I’m wrong (otherwise I’d change my mind).

                  BTW, in contrast to your wife, mine can’t stand Key and is quite virulently suspicious of him. In my experience, I have found her to be a very good judge of character – as opposed to appearance – and the main thing she values is honesty. She has almost always been correct in her suspicions about people whom others have called ‘nice’, ‘friendly’, ‘kind’, etc.. It’s quite remarkable.

            • ak 3.1.2.2.2.2

              Big bub: they rejected Labour and everything it stands for

              Yeah possibly, blub, either that or wee Joky flip-flopped and accepted everything that Labour stands for and then squeaked to “victory” on the back these very same Labour policies, a media-led mass-hate campaign, a $50/wk election bribe and the blatant rorting of the electoral system in Epsom; and then proceeded to earn – even from his among own circle – the sobriquet of “Grinny Do-nothing from Hawaii”.

              So actually, they accepted everything that Labour stands for, and got an entertaining sideshow of cringe into the bargain.

              Either way, many thanks for your reasoned analysis and deep concern for the Labour party. I’m sure it will receive all the consideration it deserves.

              • Big bruv

                ak

                By all means ak, ignore what I have to say, keep your head in the ground and keep polling at low levels.
                Keep putting Mallard, Dyson, Fenton, and co at the top of your list, the Nat’s will govern for decades.

        • logie97 3.1.2.3

          … nastiness and petty vindictiveness … take a look in the mirror.

          Oh and sleeping shareholders – includes the likes of Myers and others who inherited great wealth and reinvested – no sweat or risk at all mate.

          • Big bruv 3.1.2.3.1

            Lol…so you would outlaw intergenerational wealth as well?

            • logie97 3.1.2.3.1.1

              Not at all – but just pointing out to you that they are usually asleep while they are making shit loads more money – you know, on the backs of shift workers and the likes. Myers was at the head of the debate that wanted to cut the night watching firemens’ duties as well.

  4. The gap is to big to make up.

  5. McFlock 5

    The total labour/greens vote is consecutively up in the last 3 fairfax surveys, according to the little script thingee, about 1% a month. NACT have dropped from 60% by about the same amount.

    This will become more volatile when the campaign fully kicks off, and assuming that their is no systematic underrepresentation in the survey (lol yeah, right) that means the 12% swing lab/greens need is actually only 6% from Nat to Lab. Then it’s 50:50.

         
    Assuming Act get in without poaching too much Nat support. Also Assuming that NZ1 can go either way and they’ll get in.

      

  6. randal 6

    Of course the gap is closing. YOu can fool some of the people some of the time and Keys has just about played out his string as they say in the cowbiy comix. Even Nero was popular till he burnt Rome.

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    We reprint below an article from the excellent website the Economics of Imperialism by Tony Norfield This is an update of the statistics for my Index of Power, using data for 2018-19 and discussing what a country’s ranking reflects. The major change is that China’s rank has shifted up and ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 days ago
  • Climate Change: A history lesson
    Why is New Zealand climate change policy so crap? The Herald this morning has a long article on the twists and turns of climate change policy in New Zealand [paywalled / depaywall script], which shows where we've been. The short version is that the government first began worrying about this ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago
  • What the All Blacks Mean to Us
    The All Blacks have been, for more than a century, arguably the most successful International sports team in the world. But they are more than that; even for those Kiwis who are immune to the charms of rugby (and there are more than a few), the All Blacks are ambassadors ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago
  • No one is born into the wrong body
    A short and incredibly powerful speech from a young lesbian woman. No one is born in the wrong body. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    3 days ago
  • Contempt
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Covering up the cover-up
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Not as important as they think they are
    Farmers have been whining a lot lately, about the methane targets in the Zero Carbon Bill, about Canterbury's proposed nitrogen limits, and about the government's new proposals to stop them from shitting in our lakes and rivers. These policies are "throwing farmers under the tractor", they will force farmers off ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Behind Every Good Woman Should Stand – Another Good Woman.
    Alone, Alone, All, All, Alone: To argue that the Prime Minister is the victim of her advisers’ failure to keep her informed may offer Jacinda some measure of exoneration – but only at the cost of casting her as a hopeless political ingénue. A star-dusted muppet, whose only purpose is to ...
    4 days ago
  • Poor quality, poorly educated kiddie ‘Journalists’ spreading fake news
    In times of hysteria about the “World coming to an end” and “rising sea levels” so-called ‘Journalists’ who can barely spell words longer than four letters are having a ball! Though the majority of the Public have worked out that manmade climate change is nothing short of pseudo-science, and the ...
    An average kiwiBy admin@averagekiwi.com
    4 days ago
  • Chris Trotter on the BFD
    I don't want to give pblicity to certain parts of the internet that are better left to fester in their own irrelevance (I know, a bit like this place) but the listing of Chris Trotter as a 'author' on Cameron Slater's spinoff website, the BFD requires some explanation.Now, I don't ...
    4 days ago
  • Sex is not a spectrum
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    RedlineBy Daphna
    4 days ago
  • Climate Change: Trees, aviation, and offsets
    With crunch time for new Zealand climate policy approaching, most of the New Zealand media have got on board with a global reporting effort to cover the issue. There's one strand of stories today about polling and what it shows about changing public attitudes to the crisis, but the strand ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Pissing-Off The Israelis Is A High-Risk Strategy.
    Dangerous Foes: For those readers of Bowalley Road who feel disposed to dismiss any prospect of an Israeli destabilisation of New Zealand politics, the example of the United Kingdom repays close attention. Ever since the election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the British Labour Party, the Israelis have sanctioned, funded and ...
    4 days ago
  • Something to go to in Wellington
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • A founding member responds to Peace Action Wellington
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    RedlineBy Admin
    4 days ago
  • “Mistakes and errors”
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • “Homosexuality is same-sex attraction and relationships, not heterosexuals with delusions of gende...
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    RedlineBy Admin
    5 days ago
  • Trump: “Where’s my favourite dictator?”
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    5 days ago
  • Magdalen Burns, 1983-2019, fighter for women’s liberation
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    RedlineBy Admin
    6 days ago
  • Parliament and the Executive
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    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • The Abigail Article; Martyn Bradbury’s Article, and My Response
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    Frankly SpeakingBy Frank Macskasy
    7 days ago
  • Police will have to wear silly Buckingham Palace hats from now on, says Police Minister
    Those close to the Police Minister believe the initiative may be the result of Nash “seeing a great deal” on AliExpress. In a move that comes seemingly out of nowhere, Police Minister Stuart Nash announced this afternoon that he expects all frontline staff to don bearskin hats, famously worn by ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • A sensible crackdown
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • California bans private prisons
    Private prisons are a stain on humanity. Prison operators explicitly profit from human misery, then lobby for longer prisons terms so they can keep on profiting. And in the US, prison companies run not only local and state prisons, but also Donald Trump's immigration concentration camps. Faced with this moral ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Why PPPs are a bad idea
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • A Movement That No Longer Moves.
    Moving And Shaking: There was a time when people spoke matter-of-factly about the “labour movement” – a political phenomenon understood to embrace much more than the Labour Party. Included within the term’s definition was the whole trade union movement – many of whose members looked upon the Labour Party as ...
    1 week ago
  • NZ ‘left’ politically embracing extreme postmodernism
    by Philip Ferguson Much of the left, even people who formally identify as marxists, have collapsed politically in the face of postmodern gender theory of the sort pioneered by American philosopher Judith Butler. For Butler even biological sex is socially constructed. “If the immutable character of sex is contested, perhaps ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • The obvious question
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly
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    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • This is why people hate property developers
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Australia to Pacific: “Fuck you, you can all drown”
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Implausible ignorance
    Labour Party president Nigel Haworth resigned yesterday over the party's sexual assault scandal. But while that's good news, its unlikely to take away the stench of a coverup. Because according to Paula Bennett in Parliament yesterday, pretty much everyone in the Prime Minister's office was involved as well:I have been ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Labour’s Fatal Flaw.
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    1 week ago
  • Ten reasons the Tories do NOT want an election
    There has been a lot of talk about Boris Johnson wanting an election, and he has blustered with great gusto about 'chicken' Jeremy Corbyn refusing one, but I think there are many reasons why he is secretly glad he has been refused the opportunity:The Tories are an utter rabble,tearing themselves ...
    1 week ago
  • Prorogation Illegal, rule Scottish judges
    Scottish appeal court judges have declared that Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament in the run-up to the October Brexit deadline is unlawful. The three judges, chaired by Lord Carloway, Scotland’s most senior judge, overturned an earlier ruling that the courts did not have the powers to interfere in the prime ...
    1 week ago
  • Let me explain what I meant by Everyday New Zealanders
    By Simon Bridges. The following is a press release from the office of Simon Bridges, leader of The National Party. Key ora, New Zealand. Happy Maori Language Week. Look, I’m writing to you today because I want to clear something up. There’s been a lot of kerfuffle around some things ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Yes, the SIS is subject to the Public Records Act
    I understand there's some stuff going round about how the SIS "was removed from the list of public offices covered by the Public Records Act in 2017". The context of course being their records derived from US torture, which will be disposed of or sealed. The good news is that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • An evidence-based discussion of the Canadian fluoride/IQ study
    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
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    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
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    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    1 week ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
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    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • The coming resource war.
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    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    1 week ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
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    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    2 weeks ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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