GCSB Bill – for shame

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1. Macro 1

   25 June 2013 at 10:07 am

   But John wants to sign a deal with the States Rob! So we HAVE to change the law to be like them! Don’t worry it’s all good.
2. karol 2

   25 June 2013 at 10:22 am

   Winston Peters will use this as a toe in the door to being a future Nat coalition partner – NZ First will ask for some concessions, enable the worst of the Bill to pass, and claim they are holding the government to account.
   • Bearded Git 2.1

     25 June 2013 at 10:59 am

     But Winnie hates Key-look at the body language.
     • Enough is Enough 2.1.1

       25 June 2013 at 11:18 am

       Winnie and Bolger hated each other and then jumped back into bed in 2006.

       If they have the numbers come election time they will do the deal.

       Winnie is shaping up as man who has the power to put Key back in for his coveted third term.

       It is our duty to New Zealand to ensure Key never doesn’t return. The way to do that is target Winston. Without NZfirst there is no National third term government
       • Enough is Enough 2.1.1.1

         25 June 2013 at 12:05 pm

         that should have been 1996
         • Huginn 2.1.1.1.1

           25 June 2013 at 8:17 pm

           1996 was unusual because it was the first government struck under MMP. MMP wasn’t well understood.

           Also pays to remember that Peters was still a National Party member & MP in 1993; some part of him was probably still tribal National when Bolger came around with a bottle of Scotch and a couple of glasses.

           And of course that Jim Bolger was more emotionally inteligent and therefore a smarter deal maker than anyone gives him credit for.
       • Penny Bright 2.1.1.2

         25 June 2013 at 2:07 pm

         That’s EXACTLY what the 2008 campaign against NZ First and Winston Peters was all about.

         To stop NZ First reaching the 5% party threshold.

         And the result of that………………..?

         Penny Bright
       • Populuxe1 2.1.1.3

         25 June 2013 at 3:17 pm

         And Bolger’s National was a very different party to Key’s. NZ First has grown into a profoundly anti-neoliberal party.
       • Draco T Bastard 2.1.1.4

         25 June 2013 at 6:12 pm

         If Winnie does a deal over this he won’t be back in next term.
       • Murray Olsen 2.1.1.5

         26 June 2013 at 5:22 pm

         I’d rather see Mana and Greens grow, and Labour get an effective leader, than target Winnie. Targeting Winnie, even if it did get Shearer in as ah, um, ah Prime um Minister, would do nothing to make the left stronger. It could even make us weaker.
   • Populuxe1 2.2

     25 June 2013 at 3:16 pm

     Let it go, karol – saying it won’t make it so. Unless Key renationalises the assets, it’s not going to happen
   • Huginn 2.3

     25 June 2013 at 8:04 pm

     I disagree with you on this one, Karol

     I think that Winston Peters is a great opposition politician and I think that this will inform his approach to the GCSB Bill.
3. Ted 3

   25 June 2013 at 11:17 am

   Clearly Key is sidling up to Obama.
   No such allusions by this (Irish) MP:

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lo8srwz-m0
4. Mary 4

   25 June 2013 at 1:15 pm

   “He needs to be called out on it.”

   Just don’t get Shearer to do it otherwise he’ll convince everyone there’s nothing wrong with the bill.
5. fender 5

   25 June 2013 at 1:31 pm

   Key must be planning to blackmail Dunne in order to secure Dunnes’ vote for this bill, because despite Dunne saying he’s not keen on it, Key is saying he is confident Dunne will vote for it. Emails, UF Party funding, cup of tea….Key holds all the cards.
   • Mary 5.1

     25 June 2013 at 2:39 pm

     I was even beginning to feel just a tiny bit sorry for Peter, too…
6. Penny Bright 6

   25 June 2013 at 1:49 pm

   Would Prime Minister John Key, (Minister responsible for the GCSB); the Inspector-General Paul Neazor, the Director of the GCSB, Ian Fletcher ALL sign (or affirm) affidavits confirming that each of them had actually READ the current GCSB Act themselves?

   (I’ve asked this in my submission).

   Penny Bright
   ‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation’ campaigner

   2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
7. Rogue Trooper 7

   25 June 2013 at 1:50 pm

   Winston will live another day to rue supporting this bill; oversight panel or not. Wotta dick, he is a freakin’ embarrassment to the politics of this country. And, and, where is all this dirt on Dunne and the Security / Intelligence committee he was going to dispense at his leisure? All mouth, no trousers, like the people who vote for him!
   • Populuxe1 7.1

     25 June 2013 at 3:25 pm

     WInston hasn’t actually voted on the bill, so stop talking out your arse. Being on the oversight panel means that Winston has more of an idea of what’s going on than you apparently do, and he has said he won’t support it unless the courts are involved in the process. Stop telling lies.
     • Rogue Trooper 7.1.1

       25 June 2013 at 3:38 pm

       Time will tell. Although, there is a lapse in the passing on of domestic skills such as cooking, cleaning, budgeting and maintaining one’s wardrobe. 😉 (hope this finds you well Populuxe 1) Oh, and Winston is quite transparent, despite what goes on in select committee.
8. burt 8

   25 June 2013 at 3:55 pm

   Is this the same Law Society who made such a bad call and showed their partisan stripes when they harshly criticised the EFA ?
   • Colonial Viper 8.1

     25 June 2013 at 8:26 pm

     Advocating for fairness and the disadvantaged is now called being “partisan”, I take it.
9. Rogue Trooper 9

   25 June 2013 at 4:12 pm

   Now it’s a “safety” issue- Key
   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10892844
   “confident of Dunne’s support” . Jesus wept. Now, where is Pop?
10. Anne 10

    25 June 2013 at 4:43 pm

    “confident of Dunne’s support”.

    I take that as a threat to P Dunne… support the bill or else worse things are going to befall you.
    • burt 10.1

      25 June 2013 at 8:11 pm

      Nationals Taito Field perhaps… Key has about another year or protecting him before throwing him to the wolves if that’s the case. Protect him long enough that there won’t be a by election…. Will be interesting to see if Key’s snivelling foot soldiers defend him for taking the minister at his word….
11. Draco T Bastard 11

    25 June 2013 at 6:14 pm

    The last resort of scoundrels

    If we believe a spy agency that spies on foreigners is necessary, then the GCSB already has appropriate powers to perform that role. But there is simply no justification for greater spying on New Zealanders. And anyone who hides behind “public safety” to try and justify it is simply an authoritarian engaging in the last resort of scoundrels.

    That seems to be about right.
    • RedLogix 11.1

      25 June 2013 at 8:45 pm

      Maybe NRT begs the next question with this: If we believe a spy agency that spies on foreigners is necessary.

      What then is the effective distinction between ‘foreigners’ and ‘nationals’? The mere act of possessing NZ citizenship and/or residency seems like an inadequate answer, assuming as it does that being a New Zealander means you will always have the best interests and public safety of the nation at heart.

      And who is to define ‘public safety’? Realistically if you are going to spy on non-New Zealanders, you might as well spy on the locals as well. Or not spy at all.

      And of course the big problem is when the Prime Minister is the sole person in charge of the spooks. It is only inevitable that such powers will be used against his/her political opponents. We can be reasonably sure they’ve been misused in such a way already.

      And in the old days before the net spying was a necessarily resource limited, labour intensive undertaking. Nowadays all digital communications are stored, searched, filtered and data mined. We’re all being spied on. Even this little comment on The Standard is being watched over by some machine or algorithm. Every EFTPOS transaction, every time you walk past a camera, every time you make a phone call, click a mouse, or fill out a form … it’s been stored somewhere.

      We are within a decade of the point where in order to be a citizen “in good standing”, every moment of your life, from birth to death, every thing you say, do, or place you go, whoever you meet, talk with, sleep with …every instant of your life… will be recorded on a secure government database. Any gap in the record, and attempt to spoof or fake the record will mean an automatic presumption that you are a threat to ‘public safety’. Privacy will be a crime.

      This is all quite inevitable. Technological progress will enable it, and the demand for ‘public safety’ will trump all other concerns. Any sporadic voices raised against this march will be silenced with the soothing words, “if you have nothing to hide, you will have nothing to worry about”.

      Might as well let this GCSB Act pass and get with the plan. What does amuse me is of course watching right-wingers who just a few short years ago, were screaming “Nanny State” and comparing Helen Clark to various dictators because it was being proposed to put in place some standards around light bulbs and shower heads … seem quite happy to cheer on their own team ramming into place the underpinnings of the total surveillance state.
      • xtasy 11.1.1

        26 June 2013 at 5:28 pm

        Red Logix – excellent comment! Yes, it is already happening all around us, and affecting us, 24/7 that is, and too many only see things with a selective focus.
      • Rogue Trooper 11.1.2

        26 June 2013 at 6:13 pm

        RL, better to be on the cards as a ‘notified’ Outlaw; NTHNTF!
12. Anne 12

    25 June 2013 at 6:45 pm

    John Key is now resorting to the unsavoury tactic of questioning people’s patriotism.

    Straight out of the Republican Party, USA. Key’s secret allegiance.
    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      25 June 2013 at 6:51 pm

      Straight out of the Republican Party, USA. Key’s secret allegiance.

      On this matter, there is absolutely no difference between the US Republicans and the US Democrats.
13. xtasy 13

    26 June 2013 at 1:46 am

    Who needs a bill? We will have it all for free! The two faced serpent called John Keypone is ready to spit the poison and deliver. Calm down, shut up, they are already watching and tracking and tracing. Damned this thread is just on screen on GCSB now, better get off-line now. Take care, folks.
    • Rogue Trooper 13.1

      26 June 2013 at 6:14 pm

      NTHNTF

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